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    I can recall a time in not too distant history when poorly prepared Nation Guard was called in to suppress a "peaceful protest" or insurrection. It did not have a good outcome. There are songs about it.
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    Hopefully, the big ugly bill trump is proposing gets shot down big time. Is all the news about the Nat’l Guard another diversion tactic to take away the spot light from the ugly cuts to popular services and massive spending? How much is the big useless trump parade on the 14th or the ridiculous plane “given” to trump (not us … he will use)? DOGE was a joke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    From the good ol’ boys brought in that were hiding gasoline filled water bottles and causing malaise. People of that neighborhood were not the culprits. Hope this helps you some.
    LOL, OK. I feel enlightened....or maybe just amused. Not sure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I wonder what the Nation Guard can do that the state and local police can not. I suspect they are not trained. in insurrection or protest control. Making Newsom look weak probably played into Trump's decision if his history of revenge applies.
    We had National Guard in
    Ferguson for the mostly peaceful Michael Brown/Gentle Giant of Ferguson riots. They helped out quite a bit.

    The local police officials were pleased no lives were lost in that circus.

    it is common in these protests for the daytime protestors to be mostly peaceful although they like disrupting traffic and stopping all kinds of activities, but the nighttime protestors come out to riot and loot and burn stuff.

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    Is there any issue with the fact that California voted for Newsom and not for Trump to make decisions on state issues, and how is this a threat to some real or concocted version of national security. As in state's rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    Is there any issue with the fact that California voted for Newsom and not for Trump to make decisions on state issues, and how is this a threat to some real or concocted version of national security. As in state's rights.
    About 40% of them did vote for Trump, but not to make decisions on state issues. Of course we're not talking about a state issue in this case as the protests and federal response are centered on Federal employees, policies and facilities. If the state cannot or will not adequately protect or support the federal infrastructure and mission within its jurisdiction, the Feds have a duty to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    AIf the state cannot or will not adequately protect or support the federal infrastructure and mission within its jurisdiction, the Feds have a duty to do so.
    I'm not sure what infrastructure is in danger, however I can understand the mission of Homeland Security to deport as many potentially illegals as possible might be impeded. Whether the state police can handle this or if it justifies the National Guard would be up for debate, as is the fact that this could be a manufactured crisis. The credibility of the administration is demonstrably at issue as is his strategies to resolve disputes on day one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I'm not sure what infrastructure is in danger, however I can understand the mission of Homeland Security to deport as many potentially illegals as possible might be impeded. Whether the state police can handle this or if it justifies the National Guard would be up for debate...
    A federal detention facility in Los Angeles where entrances/exits were blocked and rocks and bricks were thrown at employees trying to disperse the offenders. When ICE requested local police response, it took nearly 2 hours to arrive. Local police advised that it was too dangerous to enter the protest zone and that their presence may make the situation worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    LOL, OK. I feel enlightened....or maybe just amused. Not sure!
    That’s because you are one of those white nationalist good ol’ boys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    Is there any issue with the fact that California voted for Newsom and not for Trump to make decisions on state issues, and how is this a threat to some real or concocted version of national security. As in state's rights.
    trump had no right to intervene. trump keeps saying bring control back to the states but does not do so… instead incites violence with his rhetoric. No King day next week! Find out where the protest is in your area and GO!

    ETA … just SAW trump saying he will have troops in all states. WTH! …

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