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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I think the "incomplete" or perhaps the more accurate "false" story is that the FCC chairman threatened to pull licenses of ABC affiliates who continue to broadcast Jimmy Kimmel Live.

    I saw the chairman's entire statement which was a response to an apparent interview question which I unfortunately haven't seen or heard. His response was that if ABC/Disney's affiliate customers objected to the content of ABC's product, they should let ABC know and perhaps consider not carrying whichever content they found objectionable. He then went on to muddy the waters somewhat by expounding on the FCC's responsibility to ensure networks and affiliates were adhering to their licensing agreements which include the responsibility to operate within the "public interest, convenience and necessity". I think he then went on to suggest that purposely providing inaccurate information such as Kimmel's allegation that Kirk's shooter was MAGA was a direct contradiction to the public interest, convenience and necessity rule. He did not threaten to pull the license of any affiliates broadcasting specific programming.

    Now, Sinclair and Nexstar were apparently listening and decided to do exactly what his hypothetical answer suggested, they decided to stop broadcasting one of ABC's products until such time as they deemed that product reflected the values their customers expected and their advertisers were willing to support. While part of that decision may have been an effort to curry favor within the FCC, that was obviously a business decision, not a political one.

    That's my take anyway.
    Interesting spin on things. I would say that if a person thinks Kimmel was not acting in the public interest or was broadcasting harmful information then Carr was, as Trump said, a patriot. Just like he's tried to silence the other major news outlets who don't share his point of view. I think Hannity and Truth Social are doing a dis service to the country.

    My take is that Trump had a temper tantrum and told Carr to threaten ABC, legal or not. And he said there could be more if they don't get in line with his point of view.

    Even Lyin Ted agrees with me.

    Sen. Ted Cruz on his podcast Friday admonished Federal Communications Commission Chair Brendan Carr for demanding ABC suspend Jimmy Kimmel’s late night show over comments regarding Charlie Kirk — calling Carr’s actions “dangerous as hell” and “right out of ‘Goodfellas.’”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I think the "incomplete" or perhaps the more accurate "false" story is that the FCC chairman threatened to pull licenses of ABC affiliates who continue to broadcast Jimmy Kimmel Live.

    I saw the chairman's entire statement which was a response to an apparent interview question which I unfortunately haven't seen or heard. His response was that if ABC/Disney's affiliate customers objected to the content of ABC's product, they should let ABC know and perhaps consider not carrying whichever content they found objectionable. He then went on to muddy the waters somewhat by expounding on the FCC's responsibility to ensure networks and affiliates were adhering to their licensing agreements which include the responsibility to operate within the "public interest, convenience and necessity". I think he then went on to suggest that purposely providing inaccurate information such as Kimmel's allegation that Kirk's shooter was MAGA was a direct contradiction to the public interest, convenience and necessity rule. He did not threaten to pull the license of any affiliates broadcasting specific programming.

    Now, Sinclair and Nexstar were apparently listening and decided to do exactly what his hypothetical answer suggested, they decided to stop broadcasting one of ABC's products until such time as they deemed that product reflected the values their customers expected and their advertisers were willing to support. While part of that decision may have been an effort to curry favor within the FCC, that was obviously a business decision, not a political one.

    That's my take anyway.
    I keep hearing and seeing reports on Carr saying (threatening) We can do it hard, or we can do it easy.

    And it is not within his scope of responsibility to determine the Kimmel Jimmy’s stupid jokes to be factual in serving the public interest.

    And Ted Cruz appropriately came out to criticize Carr.

    so, I think you are wrong. Sorry Bud.

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    The latest quote I saw from Trump was, it's not longer free speech when 97% of the media criticizes him. I wonder if he counted Truth Social, Breitbart and Hannity.

    As much as I know about politics, I suspect the dems are helpless. I'm amazed that the GOPs who have sworn to uphold the constitution are quietly letting all of this get by them. Except Ted Cruz.

    His 15 billion dollar lawsuit against the NYT has failed. It may not be the end of that story since he controls the DOJ.
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    A bit lengthy, but I did enjoy Jon Stewart's politically correct late night comedy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GXNJ3V9lzg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    A bit lengthy, but I did enjoy Jon Stewart's politically correct late night comedy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GXNJ3V9lzg

    I watched the entire thing. Funny! Jon Stewart can be pretty funny.

    The background set image was wonderful. I like the idea of the Talent-o-meter that sits on the President’s desk.

    And it is not a lie to say that Nancy Pelosi is technically an animal because, well, she’s not a mineral is she. She’s not in the plant world either.

    I have only a vague understanding of Armenia versus Albania so there’s that, but I’m not the president of the United States who solved all their problems.

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    okay---i tell you what----i was absolutely DEVASTATED the day those network tyrants cancelled "Gilligans Island", the greatest television series ever made! Yup. There was The Skipper, Gilligan, Ginger, Mary Ann, Mrs and Mrs Thurston Howell, and the Perfesser. So, yeah---not only was i seriously traumatised, but my civil rights as an American were violated! Yup. Also, the cast of characters on Gilligands Island had THEIR rights violated as well! Yup. I still watch episodes of the show on Youtube, once in awhile, to relive the good times. I must go check on my catts. Hope that helps you some. Thankk Mee.

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    I am watching bits of the funeral today in between chores. It is unsettling to hear the word war and warrior so often from the speakers and watch the politicians be very religious. I stay in the middle with my politics but this feels like if you are not Christian, you are an outcast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkytoe View Post
    I am watching bits of the funeral today in between chores. It is unsettling to hear the word war and warrior so often from the speakers and watch the politicians be very religious. I stay in the middle with my politics but this feels like if you are not Christian, you are an outcast.
    There is definitely a strong Christian nationalist agenda in this country that is growing in power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    There is definitely a strong Christian nationalist agenda in this country that is growing in power.
    Somewhat pontification on my part, but I tend to think there are distinct differences between Christian Nationalists, Evangelical Christians, and other Christians such as Methodists or Lutherans. They no doubt overlap.

    I think Kirk denied the separation of church state and declared it a fabrication. I guess my question was, which church? They all tend to classify the other as less of a true religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    Somewhat pontification on my part, but I tend to think there are distinct differences between Christian Nationalists, Evangelical Christians, and other Christians such as Methodists or Lutherans. They no doubt overlap.

    I think Kirk denied the separation of church state and declared it a fabrication. I guess my question was, which church? They all tend to classify the other as less of a true religion.
    I've read that Kirk was linked with both the Presbyterians and Evangelicals. He seems to be more on the Evangelical side from all I can tell.

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