Government Coup

[frugal-one]

LOL, we could spend the rest of our lives implying un-named things we saw in videos we don't share and never get any closer to understanding what's real and what's not.

What interests me in cases like this is what is actually happening, who is participating and in what manner. Are confrontations happening only in sanctuary cities/states or across the board? Are protestors being peaceful or are they trying to prevent officers from doing their duty? Are random citizens being shoved into vans and "disappeared" or are people violating federal law being arrested? Are they targeting everyone of a certain perceived race or nationality or are they simply targeting those known to have removal orders wherever they can be found.

I'm having a difficult time finding context in anything found online or in discussions regarding what others have seen, plus I've discovered that trying to inject context just seems to piss people off so I'd love to see someone brave enough to voluntarily supply it outside of an agenda or preferred narrative.

In talking with my son in Minneapolis, ICE has blocked off streets and go down the streets enmasse and round up whoever they find. Many legal citizens are carted off and later released. That is why I keep referring to the gestapo or secret police. This is the same format as how they rounded up the jews. It is no wonder people are upset and want ICE out. I would be out in the streets too under these conditions. It shouldn’t matter what city in the US this happens in! This is just WRONG!

[Rogar]

My mother-in-law and father-in-law were both cultural anthropologists, out of Colorado College. They often studied Hispanic settlements that pre-existed the establishment of the USA.

The village my FIL worked with the most was way up in the hills, and not a word of English was spoken there the times I visited over the decades. I suspect everyone there was a citizen.

My MIL worked for decades using her research to return land use rights to the peoples of the San Luis Valley, which had been cruelly taken by the wealthy Anglo immigrants to the region. She did similar things for the Native American peoples of the region - the Navajo Nation sent a delegation to her funeral, and there is a plaque honoring her work in the National Museum of the American Indian in DC, up near the treaty room exhibit. There's another similar plaque

and display in the Palace of The Governors in Santa Fe.

That's pretty neat. I am no stranger to the San Luis Valley and know of places where Hispanic communities were there way before us gringos. There are also a lot of Japanese farmers who came there in the early 1900's for cheap land and opportunity. If you have ever seen the movie, "The Milagro Beanfield War", it is about a young white sociologist who moves from the east coast to a little remote village in northern New Mexico to study their culture, maybe in the 70's. Redford was a little heavy handed with his Hollywood license, but I've had work assignments there and it was a fairly accurate portrayal, except every one spoke Spanish and maybe a little like your in laws experienced. And I felt about out of place as Herbie the sociologist. That was 30 or so years ago. I suspect the internet and cell phones and maybe drugs have changed that culture significantly, but I think those little isolated Hispanic towns or villages were not too much changed well into the 20th century..

Fort Garland in the SLV once displayed the life history and collection of Kit Carson, but but recently has been changed to tell the history of the enslavement of the Dine women and children at a near-by Indian agency and also a history of the Buffalo soldiers in the region, and I hope it's under the radar for Trump and Stephen Miller.

Land ownership in Greenland is unique. The way I get it, all the land belongs to the government. People own their residential buildings and businesses, but lease or are allowed the land and do not own it. I assume mineral rights are similar. Where here, a landowner may also own the mineral rights beneath his land, in Greenland I'm guessing the government that owns the land owns the mineral rights. I don't picture many opportunities for golf resorts, though. Military occupation to insure national security by land ownership is basically a fabrication.

[Alan]

In talking with my son in Minneapolis, ICE has blocked off streets and go down the streets enmasse and round up whoever they find. Many legal citizens are carted off and later released. That is why I keep referring to the gestapo or secret police. This is the same format as how they rounded up the jews. It is no wonder people are upset and want ICE out. I would be out in the streets too under these conditions. It shouldn’t matter what city in the US this happens in! This is just WRONG!

So, do these second hand reports of legal citizens being carted off and later released consist of protestors being arrested and taken to local police for processing but released due to sanctuary city policies of not helping or backing up federal officers or are they just random folks who may look or act like an illegal alien, whatever that means?
It also does matter in what city these things happen in because certain sanctuary cities or states will not allow their law enforcement and judicial officials to cooperate with immigration officers which leaves those officers dependent on going out into wanted persons neighborhoods to find them. In non-sanctuary cities/states local officials can and do simply notify immigration officers when an illegal alien is being released from jail or allowed to leave court so that they can be picked up and processed by federal officials in a controlled environment. Which of those situations apply to your son's neighborhood?

[iris lilies]

So, do these second hand reports of legal citizens being carted off and later released consist of protestors being arrested and taken to local police for processing but released due to sanctuary city policies of not helping or backing up federal officers or are they just random folks who may look or act like an illegal alien, whatever that means?
It also does matter in what city these things happen in because certain sanctuary cities or states will not allow their law enforcement and judicial officials to cooperate with immigration officers which leaves those officers dependent on going out into wanted persons neighborhoods to find them. In non-sanctuary cities/states local officials can and do simply notify immigration officers when an illegal alien is being released from jail or allowed to leave court so that they can be picked up and processed by federal officials in a controlled environment. Which of those situations apply to your son's neighborhood?

During the Mike Brown/Ferguson riots here it was a badge of honor for protestors to be arrested.

Our City’s Aldermen just could not drive out to that suburb fast enough to get themselves into a paddy wagon, all the better if news media had shots of them in that compromised position.

More than one local politician used their arrest as a badge of pride in their campaigns for re-election.

[Alan]

During the Mike Brown/Ferguson riots here it was a badge of honor for protestors to be arrested.

Our City’s Aldermen just could not drive out to that suburb fast enough to get themselves into a paddy wagon, all the better if news media had shots of them in that compromised position.

More than one local politician used their arrest as a badge of pride in their campaigns for re-election.

LOL, fits right in with my long time belief that most politicians are self-serving idiots and most media coverage is nothing but entertainment for the perpetually outraged.

[Rogar]

I've seen speculation that the Supreme Court could rule on tariffs as soon as next week. That cold change a lot of things, including Trump's hold on the EU. Or not.

[frugal-one]

So, do these second hand reports of legal citizens being carted off and later released consist of protestors being arrested and taken to local police for processing but released due to sanctuary city policies of not helping or backing up federal officers or are they just random folks who may look or act like an illegal alien, whatever that means?
It also does matter in what city these things happen in because certain sanctuary cities or states will not allow their law enforcement and judicial officials to cooperate with immigration officers which leaves those officers dependent on going out into wanted persons neighborhoods to find them. In non-sanctuary cities/states local officials can and do simply notify immigration officers when an illegal alien is being released from jail or allowed to leave court so that they can be picked up and processed by federal officials in a controlled environment. Which of those situations apply to your son's neighborhood?

I wasn’t there so can’t answer these questions. The POINT is these people should not have been rounded up AT ALL!The count I heard recently from news reports is 3,000 people were grabbed in Minneapolis. This is VERY concerning that people, including children, are being rounding up like cattle and sent to ? I can see investigations where the worse of the worse are detained but not willy nilly absconding of people.

Alan, We should all be OUTRAGED that this is happening!

[catherine]

Here is one account and I can't believe it's an isolated one.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...hip-rcna254247

IMHO, when people Joe Rogan is complaining about "Gestapo sh*t" we can assume this is a bipartisan affront to all.

[iris lilies]

Here is one account and I can't believe it's an isolated one.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...hip-rcna254247

IMHO, when people Joe Rogan is complaining about "Gestapo sh*t" we can assume this is a bipartisan affront to all.

Rogan is a populist. He’s no Republican or conservative.

That said, no, we do not like “Gestapo “tactics if that’s what really is happening.

I guess you all preferred the kinder, general deportation program headed by Tom Homan when he worked for Barack Obama. Twice as many were deported in Obama’s first year than during Trump’s first year. I wonder what Donald would say about that? Ha ha he would not like that number comparison.

Tom Homan is now the devil but is not someone we heard about on these boards way back in those years of Obama presidency. Partisan much?

Deportation during the halcyon Obama years did not require President Obama to grapple with sanctuary cities and sanctuary states that refused to cooperate with federal law enforcement. That’s back when people were more sane and we understood that an open border is not a good thing, immigration law needs enforcement.

[catherine]

Rogan is a populist. He’s no Republican or conservative.

That said, no, we do not like “Gestapo “tactics if that’s what really is happening.

I guess you all preferred the kinder, general deportation program headed by Tom Homan when he worked for Barack Obama. Twice as many were deported in Obama’s first year than during Trump’s first year. I wonder what Donald would say about that? Ha ha he would not like that number comparison.

Tom Homan is now the devil but is not someone we heard about on these boards way back in those years of Obama presidency. Partisan much?

Deportation during the halcyon Obama years did not require President Obama to grapple with sanctuary cities and sanctuary states that refused to cooperate with federal law enforcement. That’s back when people were more sane and we understood that an open border is not a good thing, immigration law needs enforcement.

I asked AI why we didn't hear more about Obama's deportations and they said:

We didn't hear more about Obama's deportations because his administration shifted focus to interior removals of criminals/recent crossers, reducing large-scale raids, and implemented policies like DACA, while border removals remained high, creating confusion; however, critics argued his administration still deported many non-criminals and that priorities weren't always met, but the narrative emphasized "humane" enforcement and targeted threats over the sheer numbers.

Key Reasons for Less Focus on Deportations
Shift in Enforcement Priorities: The administration prioritized removing national security threats, recent border crossers, and serious criminals, reducing large-scale workplace raids common under Bush and focusing on interior enforcement, though results were mixed.
"Humane" Enforcement Narrative: Obama aimed to make enforcement more "humane," focusing on felons rather than families, which became the public story, despite reports of continued harshness.
DACA & Prosecutorial Discretion: Programs like Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) offered temporary relief, creating a perception of leniency, though millions were still deported.
Resource Constraints & Strategy: Facing an economic crisis, the administration used enforcement as a tactic to build political will for broader immigration reform, which ultimately stalled.
Declining Interior Removals: While border removals stayed high, interior removals dropped significantly, shifting the type of deportation, even if total numbers were high, making headlines less consistent.

Criticism & Reality
"Deporter-in-Chief" Title: Obama earned the nickname due to high overall numbers, but advocates argued he deported many without serious criminal records, undermining his "humane" stance.
Mixed Results: Policies like the Priority Enforcement Program (PEP) aimed to focus on serious crimes, but data showed many deported didn't fit strict priority definitions.
In essence, the focus was on who was being deported (criminals vs. non-criminals) and how (interior vs. border), rather than just the total count, creating a complex narrative that sometimes obscured the significant enforcement still occurring.