Ran across ICE in Phoenix (warning, some of you might want to scroll on by)

[iris lilies]

Yeah, I thought about the noise regulations. But those pesky misdemeanor level laws are nothing when you’re doing the Lord’s work.

Is it likely cops there would actually come to investigate the noise and do something to shut it down? In St. Louis that would be laughed at, Such a low level crime is not worth anyone’s time to confront.

[Tybee]

As to "doing the Lord's work" I'm really grateful that some people are examining their conscience and doing what they feel is right.

[LDAHL]

Yeah, I thought about the noise regulations. But those pesky misdemeanor level laws are nothing when youÂ’re doing the LordÂ’s work.

but is it likely cops there would actually come to investigate the noise and do something to shut it down? In St. Louis that would be laughed at, Such a low level crime is not worth anyoneÂ’s time to confront.

I wonder if the response to such an organized campaign of harassment would be different if it were directed at bankers or abortionists or any other group.

[iris lilies]

As to "doing the Lord's work" I'm really grateful that some people are examining their conscience and doing what they feel is right.

I support entirely legal protesting in these United States. I think it’s a good thing to exercise that right. I’ve said that many times on this forum.

I’m not keen on many mob actions, tho, ‘cause that can go sideways quickly.

So I do not support people always doing what they feel is right because their feelings may guide them to do some really ugly stuff. (Like that Mangione guy). Rob seemed enchanted with Mangione‘s action so I do not think Rob has an especially fine conscious in moral matters.

[frugal-one]

I wonder if the response to such an organized campaign of harassment would be different if it were directed at bankers or abortionists or any other group.

HA! Bankers and abortionists are dealing with individuals who want their services! ICE is not wanted OBVIOUSLY.

[Rogar]

I wonder if the response to such an organized campaign of harassment would be different if it were directed at bankers or abortionists or any other group.

If we are talking about what if scenarios, I'd like to see a few dozen billion dollars of my tax money used to solve the homeless issues, rather than rounding up the the guys outside of Home Depot who want to work, even if it's a day job. At least in my neighborhood it's a bigger issue than immigration or protesters disturbing the peace by banging pots and pans.

[LDAHL]

HA! Bankers and abortionists are dealing with individuals who want their services! ICE is not wanted OBVIOUSLY.

Unless you happen to object to people living here illegally.

[LDAHL]

If we are talking about what if scenarios, I'd like to see a few dozen billion dollars of my tax money used to solve the homeless issues, rather than rounding up the the guys outside of Home Depot who want to work, even if it's a day job. At least in my neighborhood it's a bigger issue than immigration or protesters disturbing the peace by banging pots and pans.

My experience working with housing issues is that it is one of those problems that can’t be solved simply with money. NIMBY zoning is one obstacle. The legal and administrative issues around people with mental health or drug issues are particularly tricky. Look at those people freezing to death in New York recently.

[Rogar]

My experience working with housing issues is that it is one of those problems that can’t be solved simply with money. NIMBY zoning is one obstacle. The legal and administrative issues around people with mental health or drug issues are particularly tricky. Look at those people freezing to death in New York recently.

I really don't have a good solution, but it seems like with the many billions allocated to ICE there could be improvements with a similar amount for the homeless. Maybe someone wiser than me would know more. And there couldmprobably be a dialog about whether non-criminal illegal immigrants or people living on the streets is the bigger social or safety issue.

My brother retired from social services after thirty years in a county with the state's mental institution. His story was that sometime around the Reagan era there were cutbacks for those sorts of institutions and a large percentage of the patients were relocated to half-way houses or pushed out on the streets. And that was the start of the homeless issues. That's probably not the whole story, but part of it is that with a lot of homeless people the issue isn't entirely housing, but the need for dependence rehabilitation, transportation, job skills, or professional help with mental illnesses.

[frugal-one]

Unless you happen to object to people living here illegally.

The crowds and protests speak for how much ICE is valued or wanted!