Ran across ICE in Phoenix (warning, some of you might want to scroll on by)

[Alan]

Sounds like when trump called his minions to invade the capital NOT a rebellion against masked, armed thugs… gestapo or secret police, obsconding with or killing citizens on a whim!

I'm guessing that if in the course of your worklife you had to deal with scores of random people videotaping your every movement and using that to identify you and your family while repeatedly calling you fascist and gestapo thugs you'd probably wear a mask too, if not for your own safety but certainly for the safety of your family. Dontcha think?
I'm also guessing that if in the course of your normal day you were followed, yelled at and attacked by groups of angry harridans each and every day while assigned to jurisdictions where local emergency services personnel were forbidden to cooperate or help you in the event of trouble, then be accused of killing citizens on a whim, you might be a little touchy too.

[frugal-one]

I'm guessing that if in the course of your worklife you had to deal with scores of random people videotaping your every movement and using that to identify you and your family while repeatedly calling you fascist and gestapo thugs you'd probably wear a mask too, if not for your own safety but certainly for the safety of your family. Dontcha think?
I'm also guessing that if in the course of your normal day you were followed, yelled at and attacked by groups of angry harridans each and every day while assigned to jurisdictions where local emergency services personnel were forbidden to cooperate or help you in the event of trouble, then be accused of killing citizens on a whim, you might be a little touchy too.

This did not happen during other administrations (Biden and Obama) that used ICE. The barbaric tactics that are used by this administration is what is causing melee!

[Alan]

This did not happen during other administrations (Biden and Obama) that used ICE.

Yes, for some reason people weren't nearly as concerned about ICE activity in communities located in sanctuary jurisdictions and had much less trouble getting them to honor ICE detainers during those administrations. For the life of me I can't come up with a rational reason why.

[frugal-one]

Yes, for some reason people weren't nearly as concerned about ICE activity in communities located in sanctuary jurisdictions and had much less trouble getting them to honor ICE detainers during those administrations. For the life of me I can't come up with a rational reason why.

ICE now = Masks, intruding places without warrants, detaining people of color (on sight .. citizens or not) with no reason (ex. hispanic police officer in his vehicle with his children detained for no reason)…. barbaric tactics not done previously. Go figure, people are upset!

[gimmethesimplelife]

Good for you Rob. Glad you have not lost your mojo!

Thank You! While it is true that I am more cautious these days, and have less time, at least I am willing to squeeze in SOMETHING. I owe it to all those murdered in the Holocaust and all those treated horrificly here. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

I appreciate the efforts anyone takes to speak out or demonstrate against ICE. Their tactics are not acceptable, and the public outcry actually seems to be making a difference.

Thank You, Rogar. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

I support entirely legal protesting in these United States. I think it’s a good thing to exercise that right. I’ve said that many times on this forum.

I’m not keen on many mob actions, tho, ‘cause that can go sideways quickly.

So I do not support people always doing what they feel is right because their feelings may guide them to do some really ugly stuff. (Like that Mangione guy). Rob seemed enchanted with Mangione‘s action so I do not think Rob has an especially fine conscious in moral matters.

Enchanted, huh? Not at all. It was cold blooded murder. But I do understand the anger leading to such actions and I do believe lives were saved. Rob

[littlebittybobby]

okay----ELECT----Ian Roberts-------IWAH Govverner. Why not? Are you a rayciss or sumthin'?

[gimmethesimplelife]

Of course I don't believe that criminals should stay. I am against the tactics--the broad sweep of profiling and instilling fear into the families that are here legally--either with green cards or as actual citizens--just because they're brown. The fear that is being generated in cities (Democratics ones) merely to the end of political grandstanding.

Actually, I just spent the last 20+ minutes watching this NYT interview with Ruben Gallego, who, frankly, I never heard of until I read a Nate Silver report on the Democrats who have had great track records on winning elections. If you can watch it without a paywall, watch it. This guy is right up my alley in terms of representing the party I would like the Democrats to return to. He stresses the importance of national security by securing the borders but absolutely feels racial profiling is a bridge too far, and that the Republicans will lose the Latin and Black headway they made in the last election.

Overall, this guy is awesome. First blush, I'd vote for him if he ran for President. I like everything he said about what's gone wrong with the Democratic party.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/20/o...dability.htmlv

One reason I'm loving Arizona these days - our two Democratic Senators - Mark Kelly and Ruben Gallego. They both are awesome and defiant against the Dictatorship. Our high ranking elected officials in Arizona are mostly Democrat, we kicked Kari Lake to the curb, and we in Arizona have moral high ground for once. Much resistance against the Facsist Regime here, building by the day. Rob

[bae]

Enchanted, huh? Not at all. It was cold blooded murder. But I do understand the anger leading to such actions and I do believe lives were saved. Rob

WTAF.

How the heck were "lives saved" by Mangione's cold blooded murderous actions? Is Tim Noel leading United Healthcare substantially differently than Brian Thompson was?