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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    If you enjoy the musings of economists, look at some of the archival works of Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell. Their ability to incorporate economic scholarship into culture, politics and jurisprudence was an ideological and philosophical awakening for me 40 or so years ago. Thomas Sowell is still around but at 95 years of age he's not as prolific as he once was, and that's a shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I will leave it up to the courts to decide what is or isn't a violation of first amendment rights. I don't have a strong opinion either way. What I don't understand is how the executive order could be a violation, where as the congressional ruling is not. Maybe you can help explain.
    I couldn’t come up with a coherent reason myself, although to me it’s very different because Congress deals with funding and executive orders direct behavior. So I asked ChatGPT about this issue and this was chat summary:

    The practical bottom line


    • Congress: Can generally defund PBS/NPR as part of budgeting decisions
    • President: Cannot use executive power to punish specific media outlets for their viewpoints
    • Key dividing line:
      • Policy-based funding decisions → usually allowed
      • Viewpoint-based punishment → usually unconstitutional


    we know that all White House occupants have directed their minions in the federal bureaucracy to do things that push up against the first amendment rights and I don’t like it regardless of who’s in the White House.

    On the other hand, I don’t know why Federal bureaucracies are sending resources to NPR, I suppose it’s in the form of competitive grants. So I don’t like that either.

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    IL, thanks for looking it up. I understand, but don't agree. It seems to me like the executive order was a punishment for viewpoints, and Trump just passed along the congressional initiative to defund for the same reason, in his usual way of demanding loyalty. Whatever the case, PBS and NPR seem to be getting along fine without dollars from the government as best I can tell. I could see them promoting more commercial advertising to encourage corporate sponsors or more fundraising breaks, but at least they don't promote O-O-Ozempic or Burt Law (we don''t get paid until you do).
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    I just can’t understand anyone still believing in trump. He is crooked as the day is long. He or his are profiting off the war because of his position and influence plus other deals in foreign countries. Insider info too.

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-org...91e949ba1bc00e

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    IL, thanks for looking it up. I understand, but don't agree. It seems to me like the executive order was a punishment for viewpoints, and Trump just passed along the congressional initiative to defund for the same reason, in his usual way of demanding loyalty. Whatever the case, PBS and NPR seem to be getting along fine without dollars from the government as best I can tell. I could see them promoting more commercial advertising to encourage corporate sponsors or more fundraising breaks, but at least they don't promote O-O-Ozempic or Burt Law (we don''t get paid until you do).

    of course Trump’s executive decision was a punishment for NPR’s view points. That’s why he did it. And that’s why the court said “you can’t do that Donald.”

    but as I said, why our federal bureaucracies are continuing to fund these stations is beyond me, and I’m especially annoyed by money going to NPR because that’s the content I know best. PBS put on tons of good programming and I understand that. PBS programming might even be, in the view of Iris Lilies, worth some public money.

    I delved a little bit into the idea peddled by NPR executives that NPR is/was so important to rural stations that may not have any other radio service in their area.

    And I talked to ChatGPT about it, because as you know, I live in flyover country and I drive through rural areas all the time, and when I pick up NPR stations there it’s the same liberal Lefty programming that exists all over NPR land.

    ChatGPT told me these rural stations probably are getting government money to run their technology. These rural stations do not have personnel to create content. These rural stations pipe in their radio content from national NPR distributions, so that is why in Bumfk, Arkansas the NPR station sounds like Minneapolis Public radio.

    I just do not buy the necessity anymore for a rural America to have NPR as a radio station. Internet service covers nearly everywhere, as does a cell service. The rural folks do not need indoctrination from the coastal liberals at NPR.

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    Heard trump’s buddy Orban recently lost the election BIG TIME! Something like 75% voted AGAINST him. Sure hope the same happens to trump/GOP in our elections!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    I delved a little bit into the idea peddled by NPR executives that NPR is/was so important to rural stations that may not have any other radio service in their area.

    And I talked to ChatGPT about it, because as you know, I live in flyover country and I drive through rural areas all the time, and when I pick up NPR stations there it’s the same liberal Lefty programming that exists all over NPR land.

    ChatGPT told me these rural stations probably are getting government money to run their technology. These rural stations do not have personnel to create content. These rural stations pipe in their radio content from national NPR distributions, so that is why in Bumfk, Arkansas the NPR station sounds like Minneapolis Public radio.

    I just do not buy the necessity anymore for a rural America to have NPR as a radio station. Internet service covers nearly everywhere, as does a cell service. The rural folks do not need indoctrination from the coastal liberals at NPR.
    The radio station I stream much of the time and send money to is broadcast from a town of about 15,000 but serves a larger rural area. They are technically community radio and do the syndicated morning and evening news and a few weekend features by subscription to NPR or public broadcasting. Their fund raising claims they have lost 10% of their operating budget and they have replaced some of their public radio features with local news. The rest of the time they have real music people doing the music programing. Maybe they are the exception, however it seems the way it should be everywhere.

    Per the last sentence., one could say why does anyone at all need an NPR station and how does the city differ from the rural community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    Heard trump’s buddy Orban recently lost the election BIG TIME! Something like 75% voted AGAINST him. Sure hope the same happens to trump/GOP in our elections!
    One can think positively.

    I think if gas hits $5 the tide may shift more. People love their cars and that seems like sort of a tipping point. My local stations are still under $4.
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    Maybe someone can correct me, but didn't Obama have a nuclear limits pact with Iran that allowed unlimited inspection of any supposed processing sites, and at which time Iran filled some of their centrifuges with concrete, and disposed of a lot of unprocessed uranium in exchange for the lifting of sanctions. And then Trump v1.0 revoked basically all of that. I seems like the news doesn't talk about the mess he has himself created.
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