Repeal of Obamacare

[bae]

Another fresh ruling about the Constitutional issues with the health care bill:

http://documents.nytimes.com/judge-v...-ruling?ref=us

The existing problems in our national health care system are recognized by
everyone in this case. There is widespread sentiment for positive improvements
that will reduce costs, improve the quality of care, and expand availability in a way
that the nation can afford. This is obviously a very difficult task. Regardless of how
laudable its attempts may have been to accomplish these goals in passing the Act,
Congress must operate within the bounds established by the Constitution. Again,
this case is not about whether the Act is wise or unwise legislation. It is about the
Constitutional role of the federal government.
For the reasons stated, I must reluctantly conclude that Congress exceeded
the bounds of its authority in passing the Act with the individual mandate. That is
not to say, of course, that Congress is without power to address the problems and
inequities in our health care system. The health care market is more than one sixth
of the national economy, and without doubt Congress has the power to reform and
regulate this market. That has not been disputed in this case. The principal dispute
has been about how Congress chose to exercise that power here.30
Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the
entire Act must be declared void.

[freein05]

How do you get health care for all? Many who can afford it do not buy it so the rest of us pick up the cost. Another question are we really the United States of America. The Tea Party, courts and states rights group seem to want to Balkanize the US. Are we becoming a Europe with a common currency and that is about it.

[Alan]

The Tea Party, courts and states rights group seem to want to Balkanize the US. Are we becoming a Europe with a common currency and that is about it.

No, we are a Republic consisting of individual states. And it would seem that the Federal Government oversteps its bounds by requiring that we buy a service.

[freein05]

How far do you take the individual states thing? Why does New York have to recognize a Texas drivers license or auto insurance. Does each state have it's own army. In the 2nd amendment guns are needed to defend a free state. Should that be taken to actually mean state and not country. If so the defense department must be unconstitutional.

[Zigzagman]

Medicare for all makes a hell of a lot more sense than anything proposed yet. It is just matter of time before everyone realizes that politics will not change the situation that we face in America. American businesses cannot compete with the rest of the world and continue to provide healthcare for their employees and taxpayers cannot support those that choose not to buy insurance. (Although I read today that less than 50% of Americans even pay any income tax)

Welcome to Globalization!!

Peace

[bae]

How far do you take the individual states thing? Why does New York have to recognize a Texas drivers license or auto insurance. Does each state have it's own army. In the 2nd amendment guns are needed to defend a free state. Should that be taken to actually mean state and not country. If so the defense department must be unconstitutional.

You could try reading the Constitution. Old dead white guys talked a lot of this stuff over when they wrote it.

[gimmethesimplelife]

My two cents worth on one of my fav topics - health care. To those who worry about being forced by the goverment to buy insurance ( and in a way, though I don't agree with the arguement, I can see that this is a point here) - I think it is absolutely insane that a few years back when I needed dental work done my only real option was to flee across the border to Mexico, and I use the word flee as a verb without drama as that is exactly what I did. (Just minus a war in the background or some kind of strife.) I also think it is insane that my mother is seriously debating fleeing (once again, verb without drama) to the Phillipines as she does not trust Medicare and life in general including health care costs much less there. On the one hand, I think this may be a little premature on her part, on the other hand, what would the soldiers who came back from WW11 make of it? A citizen so afraid about access to a basic human service that leaving the US seems like a sane and viable option?

My take on it is that my mother and her generation are probably going to be OK with medicare. It is MY generation (I'm 44) that may need to be worrying if Obamacare is repealed. I have stated this before, and I truly believe it - sometime down the road we are going to see an exodus of Americans leaving the country -
( but probably retaining the citizenship) and moving to places like Argentina, Uruguay, the Phillpines, to name a few - places that allow one to assume permanent residency quite easily and have decent health care quite cheap - to get out of working and to not have that constant nagging worry about health care and the what ifs in the back of their minds. There are Americans on Mexican health insurance right now remaining in the country - even with the escalating violence - due to concerns about the job market and lack of access to health care (they tend to be in their fifties before Medicare kicks in). To me,that says a lot about American health care right there. And I hope I have not offended anyone here, just my two cents or I guess three as I got a bit long winded. Rob

[Crystal]

I'm not sure how this thread got locked -- there is no discussion in the Moderator Hangout. Pending someone providing an explanation, I'm going to re-open it for now. (Thanks for the 'heads up', Alan) *tiptoeing away and hoping I'm not stepping on any toes here*

[Zigzagman]

I think this post from one of my favorites - Juanita Jean's Beauty Shop - pretty much says it all

America was handed a hitch in our getalong yesterday by some damn fool judge in Florida,” Juanita says. “How come Republicans just all the sudden love activist judges?”

“That damn fool judge just about openly admitted that health care is too complicated for him to understand. So, instead lf trying to figure it out, he just hollered NO to the whole thing.”

“There are simply too many moving parts … for me to try and dissect out … the able-to-stand-alone from the unable-to-stand alone,” he wrote.

“I can understand that. Instead of explaining yourself, it’s just easier to say NO, NO, NO,” Juanita says.


“So because his figure-outter is broken, he pees on the campfire and calls it a night,” Juanita explains. “You know, that’s what made America great: people who ain’t real bright messing up what the real bright people do,” she says with sarcasm dripping all over the floor.


“Thankfully, one judge in Florida can’t throw out the nation’s health care. So, the Republican can quit with hallelujahing because the fat lady hasn’t even put on her hat yet.”
“Damn fool judge,” she mumbles.


Peace

[bae]

Might be worth reading the actual decision, instead of lobbing accusations of being "a damn fool judge" or an "activist judge" or "peeing on the campfire".

I believe I provided a link to it above. Perhaps Juanita should have a look.