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I am impressed with how well GOP supporters and fellow travelers manage to keep a straight face while they engage in such transparent sophistry.
I'm pretty sure this doesn't end well for any of us. Fnord.
Where did you get this info?
Presidential records found right in Clinton’s drawer - Washington Times (newsmemory.com) (https://washingtontimes-dc.newsmemory.com/?publink=53f675e97_13485bb)
frugal-one
8-26-22, 10:54pm
So, again personal records do not pose a national security threat. trump taking classified records does.
I agree bae…fnord.
I am impressed with how well GOP supporters and fellow travelers manage to keep a straight face while they engage in such transparent sophistry.
I'm pretty sure this doesn't end well for any of us. Fnord.
Alan lives to defend the indefensible behavior of republicans. I’ve pointed out before that there is literally nothing a Republican could do that would get him to agree that there was wrongdoing. I expect that to be true of trump even if a jury(ies) convicts him of any/all of the dozens of crimes that he’s currently under investigation for.
I have just read the affadavit and suggest anyone concerned with these developments read it, as well. There is quite a bit of information in there, regardless of redactions.
frugal-one
8-27-22, 8:45am
Just saw a DeSantis campaign ad... "Text Fighter Against Media" ... says dogfighters taking aim #1. Don't fire unless fired upon but when fired upon, fire back with overwhelming force. Shows a kid saying "Turn & Burn". He is telling Americans to get ready for battle. Saying to target Fauci too.. "Chuck the Elf". Talk about a request for VIOLENCE!
Talk is this is a guy that is possibly the next republican candidate for president. WTH He is in effect calling for a civil war! He sounds like another Hitler/Nazi wannabe trying to enrage his followers to violence. THIS IS FRIGHTENING! Because as we witnessed on Jan 6th, many republicans take the call to arms seriously.
Dogfight definition = a ferocious struggle for supremacy between interested parties.
I am impressed with how well GOP supporters and fellow travelers manage to keep a straight face while they engage in such transparent sophistry.
I'm pretty sure this doesn't end well for any of us. Fnord.
LOL, this entire thread has been predicated on sophistry among fellow travelers which has made it the most engaging thread of the year. It should at least be entertaining.
frugal-one
8-27-22, 9:55am
LOL, this entire thread has been predicated on sophistry among fellow travelers which has made it the most engaging thread of the year. It should at least be entertaining.
It is not entertaining …. but frightening! You have your head in the sand. Perhaps you should take Tybee’s advice?
It is not entertaining …. but frightening!
I think that's where the Fnord comes in.
frugal-one
8-27-22, 10:03am
Alan.. See rest of post #508.
Desantis is, in Trump's mold, another vindictive pugnacious ass, ready to take on the world, but not his state's problems. He's not afraid to challenge and humiliate mask-wearing kids in public--what a manly man he is. He symbolizes what the Republican party has become, unfortunately.
frugal-one
8-27-22, 10:35am
Just saw a DeSantis campaign ad... "Text Fighter Against Media" ... says dogfighters taking aim #1. Don't fire unless fired upon but when fired upon, fire back with overwhelming force. Shows a kid saying "Turn & Burn". He is telling Americans to get ready for battle. Saying to target Fauci too.. "Chuck the Elf". Talk about a request for VIOLENCE!
Talk is this is a guy that is possibly the next republican candidate for president. WTH He is in effect calling for a civil war! He sounds like another Hitler/Nazi wannabe trying to enrage his followers to violence. THIS IS FRIGHTENING! Because as we witnessed on Jan 6th, many republicans take the call to arms seriously.
Dogfight definition = a ferocious struggle for supremacy between interested parties.
Remember, this is the "law and order" party. What a joke!
Desantis is, in Trump's mold, another vindictive pugnacious ass, ready to take on the world, but not his state's problems. He's not afraid to challenge and humiliate mask-wearing kids in public--what a manly man he is. He symbolizes what the Republican party has become, unfortunately.
With Trump’s future in question, it’s important to have another supervillain in the pipeline. Forward thinkers like Gavin Newsom have already begun investing in negative ads.
With Trump’s future in question, it’s important to have another supervillain in the pipeline. Forward thinkers like Gavin Newsom have already begun investing in negative ads.
Hey--it's not like the left is promoting clowns like Desantis. That's on you.
Hey--it's not like the left is promoting clowns like Desantis. That's on you.
And yet who brought him up here?
Someone who was using him as an example of the type of bully-boy Republicans who have taken over their party?
frugal-one
8-27-22, 2:46pm
Someone who was using him as an example of the type of bully-boy Republicans who have taken over their party?
Reason not to vote republican!
Someone who was using him as an example of the type of bully-boy Republicans who have taken over their party?
Right. Someone promoting him as the next hate figure. Sort of how the media, perhaps overestimating their power to destroy, helped keep Trump in the spotlight. Sort of how the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee supports Trump-endorsed primary candidates
With such enemies, friends become superfluous.
frugal-one
8-27-22, 3:11pm
Using Desantis own words in his ad... he is promoting himself as the new "republican". There it is.
ApatheticNoMore
8-27-22, 4:06pm
He is probably running for President, thus he should be watched for the potential threat he is.
Using Desantis own words in his ad... he is promoting himself as the new "republican". There it is.
We've drifted a long way from Eisenhower.
We've drifted a long way from Eisenhower.and Kennedy.
and Kennedy.
One of the great Republicans of all time.
I feel very confident in saying that whoever ultimately prevails in the GOP primary process, people will try to fit him or her with a Trump toupee and a Hitler mustache. The alternative of running on the Democrats’ performance in office being too frightening to contemplate.
I feel very confident in saying that whoever ultimately prevails in the GOP primary process, people will try to fit him or her with a Trump toupee and a Hitler mustache.
Of course, likely suspects have already been identified and negative PR campaigns begun.
I have confidence that who ever the final presidential candidates are, they will be demonized by the other party.
ApatheticNoMore
8-27-22, 6:15pm
Of course, likely suspects have already been identified and negative PR campaigns begun.
as if that was necessary, as if there was anyone decent left for R's to run. Yea it's going to be garbage. That's foregone, how bad, yea maybe some debate there.
frugal-one
8-27-22, 6:24pm
I feel very confident in saying that whoever ultimately prevails in the GOP primary process, people will try to fit him or her with a Trump toupee and a Hitler mustache. The alternative of running on the Democrats’ performance in office being too frightening to contemplate.
Put forth a moderate republican such as Kasich or Cheney and there may be hope. The Desantis and his ilk are Hitler-like. What's scary is you can't see that! They run on the premise of violence. Go back and really listen to Desantis' campaign ad. I know you won't because you really don't care what he stands for. Sadly, JaneV2 is right. We've drifted a long way from Eisenhower.
frugal-one
8-27-22, 6:26pm
I have confidence that who ever the final presidential candidates are, they will be demonized by the other party.
Or in Desantis' case, he demonized himself.
Of course, likely suspects have already been identified and negative PR campaigns begun.
Maybe Steele can put together another dossier.
frugal-one
8-27-22, 7:11pm
As the saying goes, "Where there is smoke, there is fire".
I may agree with Rep Cheney on one or two issues (Trump, gay marriage) but otherwise, we're diametrically opposed in every way. It says volumes, though, that she one of the few Republicans with a spine and some character, and her idea of a winning strategy doesn't consist of hurling vulgar and/or violent jibes at her opponents. I respect her greatly for that.
I may agree with Rep Cheney on one or two issues (Trump, gay marriage) but otherwise, we're diametrically opposed in every way. It says volumes, though, that she one of the few Republican with a spine and some character, and her idea of a winning strategy doesn't consist of hurling vulgar and/or violent jibes at her opponents. I respect her greatly for that.
She'll probably get a profiles in courage award and people will fawn over her until her warmonger father dies.
She'll probably get a profiles in courage award and people will fawn over her until her warmonger father dies.
He does seem to taint everything he touches.
and Kennedy.
During the 1960 presidential campaign, when Republicans tried to make the term liberal anathema, Kennedy embraced it. A liberal, he said in one speech, “cares about the welfare of the people—their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties,” and under that definition, he said, “I’m proud to say I’m a ‘liberal.’”...
I feel very confident in saying that whoever ultimately prevails in the GOP primary process, people will try to fit him or her with a Trump toupee and a Hitler mustache. The alternative of running on the Democrats’ performance in office being too frightening to contemplate.
And republicans will pretend that desantis is a perfectly normal and reasonable candidate. Just like republicans in Wisconsin are trying to do with that shitstain ron Johnson. Supposedly ‘decent’ republicans there have no problem continuing to vote for a dude that participated in the attempt to overthrow the government. But like the way republicans redefine words it seems that they have also redefined ‘decent’ to mean ‘anyone who will vote me a ****ing tax break ‘
During the 1960 presidential campaign, when Republicans tried to make the term liberal anathema, Kennedy embraced it. A liberal, he said in one speech, “cares about the welfare of the people—their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties,” and under that definition, he said, “I’m proud to say I’m a ‘liberal.’”...
I think that was the tail end of the era when progressivism was popularly considered anti-liberal. I happen to think it still is, it's a shame progressives were able to hijack the term. The modern Democratic Party is the antithesis of classical liberalism so I think his use of the term doesn't necessarily mean what you imply.
I believe, if he had survived, JFK would be a libertarian or republican these days
I believe, if he had survived, JFK would be a libertarian or republican these days
And trump would have been laughed off the stage. Yet, here we are.
frugal-one
8-28-22, 8:10am
I think that was the tail end of the era when progressivism was popularly considered anti-liberal. I happen to think it still is, it's a shame progressives were able to hijack the term. The modern Democratic Party is the antithesis of classical liberalism so I think his use of the term doesn't necessarily mean what you imply.
I believe, if he had survived, JFK would be a libertarian or republican these days
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Not for a minute… today’s “republicans” do not hold the same values of old. Now they are a party of “divide and conquer”. The goal is to divide the country, make it difficult to vote and take over the government…. Jan 6th debacle, tried to get military to seize ballot boxes …and current gerrymandering. IMO the republican party is now in name only. In reality it is promoting neo-natzism.
Neo-Nazis employ their ideology to promote hatred and white supremacy, attack racial and ethnic minorities (which include antisemitism and Islamophobia), and in some cases to create a fascist state.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy……. The current “republicans” touting they won sometimes even before votes are counted and those who refuse to admit defeat (trump) are examples of those desiring dictator status.
Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in the rule of law, separation of powers, and democratic voting. Wikipedia
Look at the definitions…. this is what the current “republicans” are promoting. JFK would never be what is now considered a “republican”.
Here is a good quick take from Reuters on the affidavit:
https://twitter.com/ReutersLegal/status/1563360658422317059
Put forth a moderate republican such as Kasich or Cheney and there may be hope. The Desantis and his ilk are Hitler-like. What's scary is you can't see that! They run on the premise of violence. Go back and really listen to Desantis' campaign ad. I know you won't because you really don't care what he stands for. Sadly, JaneV2 is right. We've drifted a long way from Eisenhower.
While he was in office, Cheney voted with Trump 93% of the time. I’m sure that if she managed to become president you would discover she was in fact a deadly threat to our way of life and resistance was a moral imperative.
I’m always amused to hear progressives find nice things to say about Republicans once they’re safely dead.
I think that was the tail end of the era when progressivism was popularly considered anti-liberal. I happen to think it still is, it's a shame progressives were able to hijack the term. The modern Democratic Party is the antithesis of classical liberalism so I think his use of the term doesn't necessarily mean what you imply.
I believe, if he had survived, JFK would be a libertarian or republican these days
You've got to be kidding. If JFK had wanted to be an entitled jerk, he would have stayed out of politics and lived off the family money. Service--working for the welfare of his nation's people--was of utmost importance to him. Today's Republicans, particularly, would have turned his stomach.
frugal-one
8-28-22, 1:05pm
While he was in office, Cheney voted with Trump 93% of the time. I’m sure that if she managed to become president you would discover she was in fact a deadly threat to our way of life and resistance was a moral imperative.
I’m always amused to hear progressives find nice things to say about Republicans once they’re safely dead.
She definitely is not with trump now. I would consider her. She, at least, stands by her convictions. She is not a sheep... like those that call themselves "republicans" now.
You've got to be kidding. If JFK had wanted to be an entitled jerk, he would have stayed out of politics and lived off the family money. Service--working for the welfare of his nation's people--was of utmost importance to him. Today's Republicans, particularly, would have turned his stomach.
Oh I don’t know. Using the Secret Service as pimps strikes me as a bit entitled. As does appointing his brother Attorney General. Wiretapping MLK and weaponizing the IRS also comes to mind. Maybe not privilege at the Chappaquidic level, but up there.
I think he died at an advantageous time to secure his myth. Otherwise, a lot of Vietnam dirt would have stuck to him.
ApatheticNoMore
8-28-22, 1:18pm
While he was in office, Cheney voted with Trump 93% of the time. I’m sure that if she managed to become president you would discover she was in fact a deadly threat to our way of life and resistance was a moral imperative.
Two things can be true at the same time, Cheney can generally suck, in fact suck in 1000 ways, and her losing solely because of her position on Trump (she didn't lose for other reasons, she just didn't) can be a very bad sign and disappointing in that sense. Both can be true.
frugal-one
8-28-22, 2:46pm
While he was in office, Cheney voted with Trump 93% of the time. I’m sure that if she managed to become president you would discover she was in fact a deadly threat to our way of life and resistance was a moral imperative.
I’m always amused to hear progressives find nice things to say about Republicans once they’re safely dead.
Sadly, there are very few real "republicans" left.... only sheep.
"I’m always amused to hear progressives find nice things to say about Republicans once they’re safely dead."
That might be because the old school dead ones were often decent humans and politicians, unlike most of today's crop.
frugal-one
8-29-22, 5:12am
Adam Kinzinger’s comments about the republican party are spot on. They are a bunch of hypocrites! We should be chanting “lock him up”. There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that trump took classified documents! Why is he not in jail?
Oh I don’t know. Using the Secret Service as pimps strikes me as a bit entitled. As does appointing his brother Attorney General. Wiretapping MLK and weaponizing the IRS also comes to mind. Maybe not privilege at the Chappaquidic level, but up there.
I think he died at an advantageous time to secure his myth. Otherwise, a lot of Vietnam dirt would have stuck to him.
So who was/is the worse human being? JFK or Jimmy Carter?
frugal-one
8-29-22, 8:37am
Lindsay Graham is calling trump supporters to riot! Law & order party, what a joke!
https://www.businessinsider.com/lindsey-graham-trump-prosecution-for-classified-info-will-cause-riots-2022-8
"I’m always amused to hear progressives find nice things to say about Republicans once they’re safely dead."
That might be because the old school dead ones were often decent humans and politicians, unlike most of today's crop.
Oh they had plenty to say about Reagan back in the day.
So who was/is the worse human being? JFK or Jimmy Carter?
JFK was the worse human being. Carter was merely a sanctimonious failure.
I just quoted JFK's assertion that he was a liberal. and why. That was the point of my post.
Oh they had plenty to say about Reagan back in the day.
For all his numerous flaws at least he never called for mob violence if the rule of law was upheld. That would have been unthinkable back then. Today it's SOP for republican politicians.
ApatheticNoMore
8-29-22, 11:16am
A progressive said a nice thing about a Republican once, they thought highly of Abraham Lincoln. However apparently he is dead. I thought he was getting up there in years, but didn't know he had passed on.
I think people are confusing wanting the Republican party to be less bad, which is perfectly sensible as it is in power from time to time (and sure Cheney is less bad, the bar is low), with actually having much good to say about it.
iris lilies
8-29-22, 12:21pm
Oh they had plenty to say about Reagan back in the day.
Curious to know if the much berated George Bush has been elevated to one of the Good Republicans.
Why not to vote Republican if you live in New York is the governor will tell you you're not wanted in the state and try to chase you down to Florida.
Curious to know if the much berated George Bush has been elevated to one of the Good Republicans.
Give them time.
Give them time.
Actually, you may be right. George Bush 43 seems to be climbing in the rankings.
Eisenhower, Truman, Obama, Reagan and Kennedy are all the top 10 in terms of modern-day presidents (defined as those whose presidency I was alive for.) If you go back further, FDR could be considered another modern-day president. So that makes 2 Republicans vs 4 Democrats. Not that anyone's counting. :)
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall
ApatheticNoMore
8-29-22, 3:12pm
Isn't it all just a confession that Republicans are running worse and worse candidates (definitely Trump but in general). So that the bar gets lower and lower.
But again one doesn't have to ever vote Republican to want the Republican party to be less bad, because if they inevitably have power at some point (and one might desire a multi party system where power wasn't just trading hands between two parties, but that's not the case), then it is just plain sensible to want one's rulers to be as least bad as possible.
Teacher Terry
8-29-22, 3:18pm
JFK was the worse human being. Carter was merely a sanctimonious failure.
This country would be a much better place if more people were like Carter. He’s a superior person!
iris lilies
8-29-22, 4:05pm
This country would be a much better place if more people were like Carter. He’s a superior person!
But perhaps not Presidential material.
frugal-one
8-29-22, 4:09pm
Isn't it all just a confession that Republicans are running worse and worse candidates (definitely Trump but in general). So that the bar gets lower and lower.
But again one doesn't have to ever vote Republican to want the Republican party to be less bad, because if they inevitably have power at some point (and one might desire a multi party system where power wasn't just trading hands between two parties, but that's not the case), then it is just plain sensible to want one's rulers to be as least bad as possible.
Isn't this sad? It used to be you could vote for candidates of different parties and decide who you thought was the best candidate. Not so now. There no longer is a "republican" party or only one in name only. So sad.
Apparently even alaska doesn’t want shitbag republicans to represent them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/31/us/politics/mary-peltola-alaska-special-election.html?smid=url-share
Given the drubbing they took in Kansas recently they should be freaking out.
iris lilies
9-1-22, 8:08am
Apparently even alaska doesn’t want shitbag republicans to represent them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/31/us/politics/mary-peltola-alaska-special-election.html?smid=url-share
Given the drubbing they took in Kansas recently they should be freaking out.
That’s nice, but who ya’ll putting up for President? It’s two years away. Please not another Biden Trump face off. Give me somebody I can vote for, Jp.
That’s nice, but who ya’ll putting up for President? It’s two years away. Please not another Biden Trump face off. Give me somebody I can vote for, Jp.
Yeah. Between Trump’s rantings and Biden’s ridiculous “soul of the nation” pontificating, nobody seems to be interested in the real world.
You know this whole scandal could have been avoided had the old gasbag just acted like a sane, responsible adult for once in his life, conceded the election, turned the documents over to the archives, and slunk away to review his grievances in private. We.re all sick of him.
That’s nice, but who ya’ll putting up for President? It’s two years away. Please not another Biden Trump face off. Give me somebody I can vote for, Jp.
Vote or don't vote. I'll be voting for President Biden, who is doing all I could expect of him and more. He's not Volodymyr Zelenskyy, but he's getting the job done under trying circumstances.
Vote or don't vote. I'll be voting for President Biden, who is doing all I could expect of him and more. He's not Volodymyr Zelenskyy, but he's getting the job done under trying circumstances.
Same here unless there is a viable option.... none so far.
Vote or don't vote. I'll be voting for President Biden, who is doing all I could expect of him and more. He's not Volodymyr Zelenskyy, but he's getting the job done under trying circumstances.
Well the circumstances are trying because his party overreacted to covid, wrecking the economy, putting kids years behind in their education, and driving mental health and addiction epidemics. He also didn't have to fund the Ukrainian war. It negates his getting out of Afghanistan. So glad it looks like my kid will never have children because it's a debt-ridden messed up world they would inherit, not to mention climate change, the one thing I don't hold him responsible for.
iris lilies
9-1-22, 4:43pm
Well the circumstances are trying because his party overreacted to covid, wrecking the economy, putting kids years behind in their education, and driving mental health and addiction epidemics. He also didn't have to fund the Ukrainian war. It negates his getting out of Afghanistan. So glad it looks like my kid will never have children because it's a debt-ridden messed up world they would inherit, not to mention climate change, the one thing I don't hold him responsible for.
Apparently there’s now some whispering from mainstream media outliers that Trump rushed Covid vaccine to market, and…
… That will explain the health problems we have seen and are seeing. Damn that Trump!
Apparently there’s now some whispering from mainstream media outliers that Trump rushed Covid vaccine to market, and…
… That will explain the health problems we have seen and are seeing. Damn that Trump!
Wasn't "rushed to market" always an accusation from the anti-vaxxers? Trump also flogged Ivermectin and internal use of light and bleach therapy. :0! I'll never forget the video of Dr. Birx trying to disappear into her scarf during that press conference.
His pitting of states against each other to get scarce medical supplies was fascinating. I loved the Maryland Governor and his wife's clandestine mask import caper. Fun times.
ApatheticNoMore
9-1-22, 6:13pm
I've never heard the initial vaccines were rushed to market, they had them a month or so after the pandemic started, and yes vast numbers of people could have been saved if they actually "rushed them to market" then. But they went through all the trials etc..
And even getting them to market when we did, I think it's very hard to argue we should have just kept letting people die at the unvaccinated rate, in search of the perfect vaccine that will have an absolute zero rate of very rare complications. How does that make sense? J&J wasn't the best maybe. I think mRNA might not end up being the best we can do either, but no way vaccines should have been delayed even further with hospitalizations and deaths piling up.
Hell, trump said covid was "fake news". Then as noted above, his reaction was to drink bleach and other such nonsense. If he would have been on the ball, many less would have died.
First, he tried to keep our numbers low by refusing to allow people off cruise ships, as I recall. Remember "We just have 15 cases, and in a week or two, we'll be down to close to zero." He also famously said "If we stop testing, we'll have fewer cases." >:( That was Desantis' approach too, as I recall.
Trump wanted to rush the vaccine. He was very angry that it wasn’t out before the election. But the fda followed their standard procedures and cleared it once all the necessary studying of it was complete regardless of what that windbag wanted.
Trump wanted to rush the vaccine. He was very angry that it wasn’t out before the election. But the fda followed their standard procedures and cleared it once all the necessary studying of it was complete regardless of what that windbag wanted.
The FDA actually didn't follow standard procedures, otherwise the vaccines would still be awaiting approval. It normally takes years to get FDA approvals on new products.
flowerseverywhere
9-1-22, 10:03pm
The FDA actually didn't follow standard procedures, otherwise the vaccines would still be awaiting approval. It normally takes years to get FDA approvals on new products.
Emergency use declarations are not political. Very smart and experienced physicians give info which is scrutinized by the FDA. They weigh the evidence to decide the risks
And benefits. Mrna technology was developed in the 60's and 70's. Often technologies remain stagnant until an application comes along that will benefit a lot of people.
My husband is in a clinical trial in a major cancer center. His MD was presenting to the FDA last week. The trial has been so successful they are anticipating it will fast track to level two. He is in level one. Formerly his diagnosis would have been a death sentence. Every single person who completed the trial is alive and has no evidence of cancer.
Also the Mrna technology was in trialsfor cancer patients. For some diagnoses it has shown great promise.
This is not about politics. It is about trusting hard working dedicated scientists and physicians whose sole mission is to save lives. I spend days in waiting rooms and see the hope, pain and resilience of human spirit. Keyboard warriors can post whatever they want, but I 100% trust my husbands physicians. Their intelligence, experience and dedication is remarkable.
If vaccines had not been fast tracked imagine how many more people would have died. It is not about Trump or Biden, it was about putting money into technology that showed millions of lives would be saved.
Emergency use declarations are not political.
I didn't say they were, I think you're confusing me for JP1. I was just pointing out that one of his statements was incorrect, fast tracking is not and never has been standard FDA approval process, but that doesn't mean I don't approve of it when warranted.
As an aside, I also understand that some people may be concerned that fast tracking may result in a sub-standard product with unknown results and they may be reluctant to rush out to inject it in their, or their children's, bodies. That doesn't make them the evil science denying dangers to society as they are often presented.
First, he tried to keep our numbers low by refusing to allow people off cruise ships, as I recall. Remember "We just have 15 cases, and in a week or two, we'll be down to close to zero." He also famously said "If we stop testing, we'll have fewer cases." >:( That was Desantis' approach too, as I recall.
Isn't DeSantis great? People are moving to Florida in droves. It hurt one medical autonomy group in eastern Mass because one of their main leaders moved her family there. Same covid outcomes, no learning loss. Win win!!
The FDA actually didn't follow standard procedures, otherwise the vaccines would still be awaiting approval. It normally takes years to get FDA approvals on new products.
Just because they worked faster doesn’t mean they ignored their procedures. Can you point to something that says they did?
Just because they worked faster doesn’t mean they ignored their procedures. Can you point to something that says they did?
The last phase of the approval process involve prolonged studies to show that the benefits of a vaccine are greater than it's risk, along with a prolonged review of the manufacturing process to ensure proper quality controls are in place and enforced. Those actions took place after the vaccines were authorized for emergency use and before full approval was granted at a later time.
While it's not the first time that's been done, it's not standard procedure.
The last phase of the approval process involve prolonged studies to show that the benefits of a vaccine are greater than it's risk, along with a prolonged review of the manufacturing process to ensure proper quality controls are in place and enforced. Those actions took place after the vaccines were authorized for emergency use and before full approval was granted at a later time.
While it's not the first time that's been done, it's not standard procedure.
Interesting that trump was screechy about how the fda was too slow and now people like you are trying to scream about them being to quick. Hilarious. But predictable.
Emergency use declarations are not political. Very smart and experienced physicians give info which is scrutinized by the FDA. They weigh the evidence to decide the risks
And benefits. Mrna technology was developed in the 60's and 70's. Often technologies remain stagnant until an application comes along that will benefit a lot of people.
My husband is in a clinical trial in a major cancer center. His MD was presenting to the FDA last week. The trial has been so successful they are anticipating it will fast track to level two. He is in level one. Formerly his diagnosis would have been a death sentence. Every single person who completed the trial is alive and has no evidence of cancer.
Also the Mrna technology was in trialsfor cancer patients. For some diagnoses it has shown great promise.
This is not about politics. It is about trusting hard working dedicated scientists and physicians whose sole mission is to save lives. I spend days in waiting rooms and see the hope, pain and resilience of human spirit. Keyboard warriors can post whatever they want, but I 100% trust my husbands physicians. Their intelligence, experience and dedication is remarkable.
If vaccines had not been fast tracked imagine how many more people would have died. It is not about Trump or Biden, it was about putting money into technology that showed millions of lives would be saved.
OMG…that is WONDERFUL! Hoping it continues.
Interesting that trump was screechy about how the fda was too slow and now people like you are trying to scream about them being to quick. Hilarious. But predictable.
I haven't screamed, or even whispered, about the FDA being too quick, just pointing out that standard procedure was not followed. You must have intentionally missed the earlier post where I said I was in favor of fast tracking when warranted, and I believe in this case it was. The only thing predictable is your misrepresentation. Try again.
Emergency use declarations are not political. Very smart and experienced physicians give info which is scrutinized by the FDA. They weigh the evidence to decide the risks
And benefits. Mrna technology was developed in the 60's and 70's. Often technologies remain stagnant until an application comes along that will benefit a lot of people.
My husband is in a clinical trial in a major cancer center. His MD was presenting to the FDA last week. The trial has been so successful they are anticipating it will fast track to level two. He is in level one. Formerly his diagnosis would have been a death sentence. Every single person who completed the trial is alive and has no evidence of cancer.
Also the Mrna technology was in trialsfor cancer patients. For some diagnoses it has shown great promise.
This is not about politics. It is about trusting hard working dedicated scientists and physicians whose sole mission is to save lives. I spend days in waiting rooms and see the hope, pain and resilience of human spirit. Keyboard warriors can post whatever they want, but I 100% trust my husbands physicians. Their intelligence, experience and dedication is remarkable.
If vaccines had not been fast tracked imagine how many more people would have died. It is not about Trump or Biden, it was about putting money into technology that showed millions of lives would be saved.
What wonderful news about your husband! Maybe cancer treatment is finally emerging from the dark ages. Now if we could just make it affordable...
Traitor trump talking if (God forbid) he is ever re-elected…would pardon rioters/killers/maimers of Jan 6th. Just can’t understand why he is not behind bars. Obviously he is above the law.
What wonderful news about your husband! Maybe cancer treatment is finally emerging from the dark ages. Now if we could just make it affordable...
In my business, I see wonderful things being done. Immunotherapies, CAR-Ts, genomic therapies It won't be long before all cancers will just be another disease to be managed. I wish your husband much success with his treatment, flowers!
In my business, I see wonderful things being done. Immunotherapies, CAR-Ts, genomic therapies It won't be long before all cancers will just be another disease to be managed. I wish your husband much success with his treatment, flowers!
I'm intrigued by phage therapy (for intractable infection), but I'm not sure it's getting much traction.
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere View Post
My husband is in a clinical trial in a major cancer center. His MD was presenting to the FDA last week. The trial has been so successful they are anticipating it will fast track to level two. He is in level one. Formerly his diagnosis would have been a death sentence. Every single person who completed the trial is alive and has no evidence of cancer.
Great news! May he join the others and be cancer free.
I haven't screamed, or even whispered, about the FDA being too quick, just pointing out that standard procedure was not followed. You must have intentionally missed the earlier post where I said I was in favor of fast tracking when warranted, and I believe in this case it was. The only thing predictable is your misrepresentation. Try again.
And you must have missed my post where I asked what standard procedure wasn’t followed which you didn’t answer.
Just because they worked faster doesn’t mean they ignored their procedures. Can you point to something that says they did?
The last phase of the approval process involve prolonged studies to show that the benefits of a vaccine are greater than it's risk, along with a prolonged review of the manufacturing process to ensure proper quality controls are in place and enforced. Those actions took place after the vaccines were authorized for emergency use and before full approval was granted at a later time.
While it's not the first time that's been done, it's not standard procedure.
And you must have missed my post where I asked what standard procedure wasn’t followed which you didn’t answer.
Really? I thought I did.
Really? I thought I did.
And I thought I addressed that. Perhaps you can point to an independent source that provides details beyond your preferred narrative about that.
Teacher Terry
9-3-22, 1:49am
That’s wonderful news Flowers!!
And I thought I addressed that. Perhaps you can point to an independent source that provides details beyond your preferred narrative about that.
jp, Alan is right. There are very rigid protocols for approvals of new drugs. It takes years, typically, mainly because of the four phases of clinical trials they have to go through.
"On average, it takes at least ten years for a new medicine to complete the journey from initial discovery to the marketplace, with clinical trials alone taking six to seven years on average."
http://phrma-docs.phrma.org/sites/default/files/pdf/rd_brochure_022307.pdf
https://www.drugwatch.com/fda/approval-process/
Occasionally a drug that is deemed to be necessary given a specific condition and benefits derived in the trials can be be "fast tracked" But the only thing "fast tracked" in that situation is the bureaucracy of moving through the FDA--it's not a clinical shortcut.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_track_(FDA)
What was different in the case of COVID is that they collapsed some of the normal steps of development. Here's an article that explains exactly what those shortcuts were. The main point about how they were able to move through the process for the COVID vaccines is because it's a vaccine. Vaccine technology and surveillance has gone on for a long time--you could say since the late 18th century. It's not like creating a whole new mechanism of action. The companies that were able to come up with the vaccines so quickly are well established vaccine manufacturers.
So some might be fearful that getting a small dose of COVID will cause terrible effects, but in all, it's a pretty safe bet that a vaccine against COVID is not much different than a vaccine against polio, smallpox, or measles.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccine-development-speed
catherine, thank you for that. The next to the last paragraph from your article sums up what I was trying to say:
Decades of previous work combined with a fast-moving virus, a public willingness to help and elimination of wait times drove the rapid development of COVID-19 vaccines. No safety steps were skipped, says Stanley Plotkin, emeritus professor of pediatrics at the University of Pennsylvania, who is perhaps best known for his work developing the rubella vaccine.
Alan's and my disagreement stems from whether all the delays that are built into the process in normal time but were avoided for the covid vaccine development constitute deviating from standard procedure. I don't think they do since the elimination of the delays didn't alter any of the active actions that would have taken place in developing and getting approval for these vaccines. Alan apparently has a different opinion on that.
I was also referencing how trump, months before the election was strongly pushing to have the vaccine rushed through the process and after the election was livid, blaming the "deep medical state" for it not getting released prior to the election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/08/07/coronavirus-vaccine-politics/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/11/trump-angry-about-pfizer-vaccine/
gimmethesimplelife
9-3-22, 8:59pm
catherine, thank you for that. The next to the last paragraph from your article sums up what I was trying to say:
Decades of previous work combined with a fast-moving virus, a public willingness to help and elimination of wait times drove the rapid development of COVID-19 vaccines. No safety steps were skipped, says Stanley Plotkin, emeritus professor of pediatrics at the University of Pennsylvania, who is perhaps best known for his work developing the rubella vaccine.
Alan's and my disagreement stems from whether all the delays that are built into the process in normal time but were avoided for the covid vaccine development constitute deviating from standard procedure. I don't think they do since the elimination of the delays didn't alter any of the active actions that would have taken place in developing and getting approval for these vaccines. Alan apparently has a different opinion on that.
I was also referencing how trump, months before the election was strongly pushing to have the vaccine rushed through the process and after the election was livid, blaming the "deep medical state" for it not getting released prior to the election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/08/07/coronavirus-vaccine-politics/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/11/trump-angry-about-pfizer-vaccine/DJT actually said that - "the deep medical state"? A new low for him, though I'm not surprised. I just hope he doesn't run in 2024 - America can't afford another Trump run if it doesn't want to split apart. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
9-3-22, 9:00pm
And a simple reason for yours truly not to vote Republican - to do so would be inappropriate based on my life experience thus far. Rob
flowerseverywhere
9-4-22, 6:26am
Thank you for the good wishes. DH currently has no evidence of disease and is healing nicely. We still have a long hill to climb to keep him so but I have confidence that science and medicine will conquer this.
perhaps this is the biggest reason I will never ever vote for a Republican again. The trump disrespect for nurses, doctors and scientists was encouraged. Climate change causing more wildfires? Rake the forests. COVID is a hoax? Patients insisting on unproven drugs be given them and threatening ER staffs. These are my documents? No, they belong in the archives as the law says. Not working for affordable accessible healthcare. Advocating guns that can mow down a classroom of kids. But what about those tax cuts for the wealthy?
one of my neighbors who still flies a trump Rambo flag calls the educated useful idiots. Well medical personnel certainly come in handy when you need them. And lawyers. I know very few people who have had any kind of lawsuit in their lives. The constant lawsuits and threats of lawsuits by Trump are ridiculous. Lead a lawful life and you have far more peace and serenity.
and as for climate change, Miami already has raised streets, Key Biscayne national park has boardwalks that are frequently under water and the keys are fighting which streets to raise although it has no money to do so. The price of free dumb.
"one of my neighbors who still flies a trump Rambo flag calls the educated useful idiots."
Ironically, "Useful idiot" is defined as "... used during the Cold War to describe non-communists regarded as susceptible to communist propaganda and manipulation, " (Wikipedia) and it perfectly describes Trump's early years before he became a Russian asset--as is meticulously outlined in the rarely read and often-ignored Mueller Report.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/trump-russian-asset-election-intelligence-community-report.html
ApatheticNoMore
9-4-22, 12:26pm
I don't think the FDAs approval process before was some kind of ideal, so why should I regard deviation from it as that horrible? At this point the original vaccine has been used safely on billions of people, so there isn't much more to be said about it's relative safety.
But on the FDA, it is much slower to approve drugs than in say Europe. And this is NOT a net benefit IMO. It's too bureaucratic. Do we need an agency regulating drugs? Absolutely. Is the present FDA ideal? I don't think so, it is too slow. But then is the U.S. as it currently is capable of reforming institutions, not dismantling or bulldozing them in a fit, sure we can do that, but reforming? I don't think so really. So we'll probably just have to live with the FDA as it is. There are exceptions to it being too slow to approve drugs, like it approving an Alzheimer's drug that likely doesn't even work, but I don't even know what corruption that was.
I thought that was an odd, Trump-worthy speech the President gave Thursday. Bathed in red light like the throne room in Mordor. Using marines as props. Alternately making accusations with clenched fists and claiming to bring the country together. Insisting afterward that the speech was “non-political”.
I’m not sure what he was trying to accomplish. Distract from other issues? Rally his base? Provoke an equally overheated response?
I thought that was an odd, Trump-worthy speech the President gave Thursday. Bathed in red light like the throne room in Mordor. Using marines as props. Alternately making accusations with clenched fists and claiming to bring the country together. Insisting afterward that the speech was “non-political”.
I’m not sure what he was trying to accomplish. Distract from other issues? Rally his base? Provoke an equally overheated response?
I streamed it live and was quite impressed. Being a fan of history, I think he captured the tone and optics of another historical speech given in Nuremberg back in 1938. I'm not sure that was his goal, but it seemed spot on to me.
https://scontent.fluk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/286850202_463404325677580_5785483765264284319_n.pn g?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=2mm5B5Qu93YAX-RurAm&_nc_ht=scontent.fluk1-1.fna&oh=03_AVLDI3f4kPEzh6BAXgLkSnh7ayyvP-SsAxsXpbeXmOhSDw&oe=633B389D
Insisting afterward that the speech was “non-political”.
Being in favor of maintaining democracy is now "partisan". I honestly didn't expect an entire political party to be comfortable saying that out loud during my life. Interesting times we live in.
iris lilies
9-5-22, 10:52am
I thought that was an odd, Trump-worthy speech the President gave Thursday. Bathed in red light like the throne room in Mordor. Using marines as props. Alternately making accusations with clenched fists and claiming to bring the country together. Insisting afterward that the speech was “non-political”.
I’m not sure what he was trying to accomplish. Distract from other issues? Rally his base? Provoke an equally overheated response?
I keep hearing about this speech, first time when one of my Republican voting friends walked by me while I was weeding my city community garden space and asked me if I felt evil and was I bad for America? I didn’t know what she was talking about, but later figured out she was referencing President Biden’s speech. It must be a doozy.
Perhaps the Biden apologists here could tell us what the point of that was.
iris lilies
9-5-22, 10:54am
I streamed it live and was quite impressed. Being a fan of history, I think he captured the tone and optics of another historical speech given in Nuremberg back in 1938. I'm not sure that was his goal, but it seemed spot on to me.
https://scontent.fluk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/286850202_463404325677580_5785483765264284319_n.pn g?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=2mm5B5Qu93YAX-RurAm&_nc_ht=scontent.fluk1-1.fna&oh=03_AVLDI3f4kPEzh6BAXgLkSnh7ayyvP-SsAxsXpbeXmOhSDw&oe=633B389D
Whoah. That is visually arresting! Props to his set designers.
I wonder if this is some new effort, kicking off a two year campaign to put him in the White House next time around, showing us old sleepy Joe is in fact a force to be reckoned with.
Whoah. That is visually arresting! Props to his set designers.
I wonder if this is some new effort, kicking off a two year campaign to put him in the White House next time around, showing us old sleepy Joe is in fact a force to be reckoned with.
Considering how much of his legislative agenda has been passed it's pretty obvious that a) he's not sleepy (which isn't surprising since it's republicans that are pro-sleepy/anti-woke) and b) he's a force to be reckoned with.
It also doesn't hurt him that the only people who particularly like the republican anti-democracy agenda are die hard trump supporters and a few other diehard republicans who falsely believe that the party is somehow going to one day shed MAGA and go back to being just pro-rich people.
I wonder if this is some new effort, kicking off a two year campaign to put him in the White House next time around, showing us old sleepy Joe is in fact a force to be reckoned with.
Sort of my read. I suspect it's something his marketing people came up with, if that's what they are called in politics. They probably got some pointers from Trump speeches on how to demonize people, too.
Should we not be demonizing people who want to overturn elections when they don't turn out as one would like? Because frankly, in my opinion those shitbags and their elected enablers need to be ****ing demonized to hell and back.
iris lilies
9-5-22, 12:39pm
Sort of my read. I suspect it's something his marketing people came up with, if that's what they are called in politics. They probably got some pointers from Trump speeches on how to demonize people, too.
Out Trumping Trump is not a winning formula for America. Makes me sad.
Should we not be demonizing people who want to overturn elections when they don't turn out as one would like? Because frankly, in my opinion those shitbags and their elected enablers need to be ****ing demonized to hell and back.
But maybe it depends on who's doing it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6qJCCg45Ow
Out Trumping Trump is not a winning formula for America. Makes me sad.
Please tell us, specifically, what part of the speech was out-trumping trump. All Biden did was call out the MAGAs for their unamerican desire to deny the results of free and fair elections and the rule of law. How exactly is that bad?
Since you didn't even bother watching it before deciding to bash it I'll even be helpful and provide a link to the full text.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/politics/biden-speech-transcript.html
But maybe it depends on who's doing it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6qJCCg45Ow
Tell me about how democrats then worked with lawyers to come up with a BS plan to overturn the election, get fraudulent slates of fake electors in place, made phone calls to secretaries of state in states where she lost to try to force them into "finding" additional votes, and then incited a mob to storm the capital, shouting "Hang Joe Biden" and attempting to prevent the counting of the electoral college votes. And then when all that failed to overthrow the election, working to get candidates in place across the country for positions responsible for managing elections such as state secretary of state who agree with the strategy of overturning elections when they don't like the results.
What's that, you say? Democrats didn't do any of that? Makes it seem like your attempt at both siderism miserably failed.
Tell me about how democrats then worked with lawyers to come up with a BS plan to overturn the election,
Other than the entire Democratic caucus in the House and Senate spending 4 years conducting investigations and impeachment hearings without tangible result, and Democratic congresspersons attempting to void electors they didn't like in various states, you're right, democrats didn't do those things.
iris lilies
9-5-22, 1:35pm
Please tell us, specifically, what part of the speech was out-trumping trump. All Biden did was call out the MAGAs for their unamerican desire to deny the results of free and fair elections and the rule of law. How exactly is that bad?
Since you didn't even bother watching it before deciding to bash it I'll even be helpful and provide a link to the full text.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/politics/biden-speech-transcript.html
“Geez JP” Iris said in an exasperated tone, “I am capable of finding the speech on YouTube in multiple places.”
I was responding mainly to Roger’s characterization of it. I do plan to watch it at some point. Do ya think I will like it?
Considering how much of his legislative agenda has been passed it's pretty obvious that a) he's not sleepy (which isn't surprising since it's republicans that are pro-sleepy/anti-woke) and b) he's a force to be reckoned with.
It also doesn't hurt him that the only people who particularly like the republican anti-democracy agenda are die hard trump supporters and a few other diehard republicans who falsely believe that the party is somehow going to one day shed MAGA and go back to being just pro-rich people.
Sadly, this seems to be true.
IL--- the point of his speech, I believe, was to enlighten people of the danger trump and his "followers" pose to democracy. That is, conspiracy theories, mob violence, trying to make it hard to vote and continue the "fake news" rhetoric if it does not suit them. These are some of the things that Hitler did in Germany and people were taken unaware.
Out Trumping Trump is not a winning formula for America. Makes me sad.
Is that possible? He is the ultimate shitbag, as jp1 would say.
These are some of the things that Hitler did in Germany and people were taken unaware.
That's why it's important to acknowledge that if Biden had replaced 'MAGA' with 'Jew' in his speech, their speeches would have been mostly indistinguishable.
Other than the entire Democratic caucus in the House and Senate spending 4 years conducting investigations and impeachment hearings without tangible result, and Democratic congresspersons attempting to void electors they didn't like in various states, you're right, democrats didn't do those things.
Of course there was little tangible result (aside from all those Trump cronies and appointees who were convicted) with Republicans stonewalling every attempt to get at the truth. History will show the depths of Trump's criminality. As he himself would say "We've never seen anything like it!" He really has raised the bar for future wannabe strongmen.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/trump-bannon-law-associates/index.html
That's why it's important to acknowledge that if Biden had replaced 'MAGA' with 'Jew' in his speech, their speeches would have been mostly indistinguishable.
BS... The Jews did not try to overturn the government, the mega republicans did. See #616 and #619 for more.
BS... The Jews did not try to overturn the government, the mega republicans did. See #616 and #619 for more.
Republican candidate Mastriano isn't even trying to conceal his white nationalist stripes: https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-713744
That's why it's important to acknowledge that if Biden had replaced 'MAGA' with 'Jew' in his speech, their speeches would have been mostly indistinguishable.
It seems odd to think that MAGA and Jews could ever be used interchangeably without entirely changing the meaning and intention. . Like maybe Zelensky replacing Russians with Masons in his talks?
Trump is being investigated because he tried to shake down multiple people--including the president of Ukraine--for political gain, exhorted an army of thugs to advance on the capitol building, engaged in underhanded dealings with Russia via a phalanx of toadies, and stole countless sensitive documents belonging to the National Archives and stored them in the most lax conditions possible, possibly for the purpose of shopping them abroad for favors. And that's just part of the picture. His is certainly the most corrupt administration of any president in recent history.
That's why it's important to acknowledge that if Biden had replaced 'MAGA' with 'Jew' in his speech, their speeches would have been mostly indistinguishable.
Did the Jews attempt to overthrow the German government? You’re really not that ****ing stupid are you?
Biden doesn't have to shake down money from Ukraine. They willingly gave it to his no experience in energy son. The $1 million a year they paid him at Burisma turned out to be a stunningly good investment.
I understand Hunter is now in the art business. A true Renaissance man.
Why should any of us care about Hunter Biden, who is every bit as important in the scheme of things as Roger Clinton or Billy Carter?
Why should any of us care about Hunter Biden, who is every bit as important in the scheme of things as Roger Clinton or Billy Carter?
We should also be worried about Biden's behavior with his daughter Ashley.
Why should any of us care about Hunter Biden, who is every bit as important in the scheme of things as Roger Clinton or Billy Carter?
I think part of the issue is whether he has received substantial benefits of monetary or positions as a result of his relationship to his father. It still seem irrelevant and I really don't care. He's certainly no Roger Stone or Michael Flynn who were part of the political machinery.
I think part of the issue is whether he has received substantial benefits of monetary or positions as a result of his relationship to his father. It still seem irrelevant and I really don't care. He's certainly no Roger Stone or Michael Flynn who were part of the political machinery.
Or Prescott Bush who was cozy with Nazi industrialists, or any number of shadowy figures surrounding politicians. Hunter may very well have benefited from his family connections; that's the way the world works, like it or not. Jared kushner, the quintessential nebbish, is two billion dollars richer thanks to Saudi Prince Bonesaw, for who-knows-what services.
It seems odd to think that MAGA and Jews could ever be used interchangeably without entirely changing the meaning and intention. . Like maybe Zelensky replacing Russians with Masons in his talks?
Rogar: Sometimes you just say it so perfectly. This is one of those times.
Thank you, RR. I'm pretty sure I say a few less perceptive things to provide balance.
And today we learn that among the documents trump stole from the government were nuclear secrets of a foreign country. That shitbag just keeps getting shittier the more we learn. But I’m sure the MAGATs and their enablers will find a way to justify their continuing support of his party with some sort of stupid both-siderisms.
frugal-one
9-6-22, 10:00pm
What I don't get now is why trump's lawyers have any say as to the master list. Supposedly, other criminals are not even allowed this until after they are indicted. trump is above the law... yup!
What I don't get now is why trump's lawyers have any say as to the master list. Supposedly, other criminals are not even allowed this until after they are indicted. trump is above the law... yup!
Yea. He’s above the law. But he also has a sad sack judge ruling in his favor. This is just a delay tactic because the appeals court over the sad sack bitch will toss her opinion out on its ass as deserves to happen.
Biden doesn't have to shake down money from Ukraine. They willingly gave it to his no experience in energy son. The $1 million a year they paid him at Burisma turned out to be a stunningly good investment.
I would imagine that the documents about another country’s nuclear capabilities which trump stole might be worth as much as a $2 billion investment if he were to try and sell them to a cash rich neighbor of that country.
“Geez JP” Iris said in an exasperated tone, “I am capable of finding the speech on YouTube in multiple places.”
I was responding mainly to Roger’s characterization of it. I do plan to watch it at some point. Do ya think I will like it?
Since you didn’t respond with the specifics of what you found bad about the speech I guess you were so exasperated by it that you never did bother to watch it or read it to figure out what was you thought was so goddamn awful about it? At least Alan tried substituting Jew where biden mentioned maga to come up with a hilariously bad reason to be angry.
The Trump endorsed Republican won the gubernatorial primary in Massachusetts. Yeah, the same Massachusetts that was the only state to not vote to re-elect Nixon.
iris lilies
9-7-22, 8:35am
Since you didn’t respond with the specifics of what you found bad about the speech I guess you were so exasperated by it that you never did bother to watch it or read it to figure out what was you thought was so goddamn awful about it? At least Alan tried substituting Jew where biden mentioned maga to come up with a hilariously bad reason to be angry.
I haven't watched it. I have been busy learning Apple’s Numbers spreadsheet since I have a deadline to produce a report using it.
But I am gratified that you really want me to watch it and for you, jp, I will make a special effort to get to it today!
Bill Barr ALL over the air dispelling trump and bashing the judge regarding the master list nonsense. He is sounding the alarm … even on Fox news. Hopefully, trump minions will listen to one who was a high trump official. Although it is dubious based on the class of people who are trump followers… proud boys, oat keepers, conspiracy theory advocates…
At least Alan tried substituting Jew where biden mentioned maga to come up with a hilariously bad reason to be angry.
I'm not angry, I'm sad. Sad that we've come to the point where a group of people can be called out as enemies of the state and a rather considerable portion of the country see nothing wrong with it.
If this continues without popular pushback, we'll be a poorer nation for it.
iris lilies
9-7-22, 9:58am
Bill Barr ALL over the air dispelling trump and bashing the judge regarding the master list nonsense. He is sounding the alarm … even on Fox news. Hopefully, trump minions will listen to one who was a high trump official. Although it is dubious based on the class of people who are trump followers… proud boys, oat keepers, conspiracy theory advocates…
”oat keepers?”
I haven’t heard that. I don’t watch Fox News as you do so I don’t know these things.
I get Bill Burr and Bill Barr mixed up. One of them is worth listening to. The other one probably is not.
early morning
9-7-22, 10:37am
I'm not angry, I'm sad. Sad that we've come to the point where a group of people can be called out as enemies of the state and a rather considerable portion of the country see nothing wrong with it. I'm sad about that too. But I am not at all sure we're talking about the same group of people. If your reference includes those - many MAGAs- who promoted "pizza-gate", "own the libs" and "stop the steal", who declared, re: a rally promoting white supremacy that there are "good people" on both sides, and who shout over and over that "liberals" are the enemy of the state - then I will be heartened by your stance.
”oat keepers?”
I haven’t heard that. I don’t watch Fox News as you do so I don’t know these things.
Maybe you're being sarcastic, but it's: oath keepers (not oat keepers): https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/oath-keepers
”oat keepers?” ...
Is that what they're calling feed bags these days? :D
Seriously, the Oath Keepers are one of the many "militias" readily to mobilize on their Commander in Chief's command.
iris lilies
9-7-22, 12:11pm
Maybe you're being sarcastic, but it's: oath keepers (not oat keepers): https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/oath-keepers
No i am not being sarcastic and I dont even know what Oath keepers are but probably have vaguely heard of them.
Really I don’t sit with bated breath in front of the tv awaiting the latest media drop intended to get me all riled up. I haven't even wandered over to Youtube this morning to review our President’s Reich-like (the visuals, baby!) speech as jp has commanded me to do.
And my Facebook feed is all about flowers and bulldogs. We dont allow dumb politics on my feed.
No i am not being sarcastic and I dont even know what Oath keepers are but probably have vaguely heard of them.
Really I don’t sit with bated breath in front of the tv awaiting the latest media drop intended to get me all riled up. I haven't even wandered over to Youtube this morning to review our President’s Reich-like (the visuals, baby!) speech as jp has commanded me to do.
And my Facebook feed is all about flowers and bulldogs. We dont allow dumb politics on my feed.
I agree. Can't stand the FB politics. I just heard about Oath Keepers in passing at some point in this crazy MAGA timeline.
I think it's important to stay informed at this precarious time in history. That said, my top of the line ;) Chinese Hanspree TV died, so I'm not exactly plugged in, if you get my drift...
I do agree that President Biden's backdrop was cringeworthy. Who vets these things?
iris lilies
9-7-22, 1:04pm
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I do agree that President Biden's backdrop was cringeworthy. Who vets these things?
Thank you! And if that setting turns out to be the worst thing about the speech, then i may be ok with Daddy Joe’s rhetoric.
Thank you! And if that setting turns out to be the worst thing about the speech, then i may be ok with Daddy Joe’s rhetoric.
All it lacked was a rousing round of Carmina Burana...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJNp5UKRtbQ
President Biden is less than an inspired speaker, but there are undoubtedly people who needed to hear what he had to say.
iris lilies
9-7-22, 2:25pm
All it lacked was a rousing round of Carmina Burana...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJNp5UKRtbQ
President Biden is less than an inspired speaker, but there are undoubtedly people who needed to hear what he had to say.
I saw the most astonishing live performance of Carmen Burana years ago. It is a monster production to put on because it requires an orchestra. An adult choir. A children’s choir. Vocalists. And other ensembles I can’t remember. And this production had dancers.
I saw the most astonishing live performance of Carmen Burana years ago. It is a monster production to put on because it requires an orchestra. An adult choir. A children’s choir. Vocalists. And other ensembles I can’t remember. And this production had dancers.
I think I'd enjoy that.
”oat keepers?”
I haven’t heard that. I don’t watch Fox News as you do so I don’t know these things.
I get Bill Burr and Bill Barr mixed up. One of them is worth listening to. The other one probably is not.
typo.. haha. oath ... never heard of bill burr? And, fox news is not normally on my radar but it is big news when a high up republican dispels the current mega garbage.
https://news.yahoo.com/leaked-oath-keepers-membership-list-182115979.html
No i am not being sarcastic and I dont even know what Oath keepers are but probably have vaguely heard of them.
Really I don’t sit with bated breath in front of the tv awaiting the latest media drop intended to get me all riled up. I haven't even wandered over to Youtube this morning to review our President’s Reich-like (the visuals, baby!) speech as jp has commanded me to do.
And my Facebook feed is all about flowers and bulldogs. We dont allow dumb politics on my feed.
I don't know anybody that does that. Since the orange one came into play things have spiraled downward with his minions following his "orders". Truly would not have believed this type of fascism would take hold, but it has.
What defines a “MAGA Republican”, exactly? Biden seemed to be saying it’s anyone who is pro-life or deficit-unfriendly. Is it just a generic term like “deplorable”?
What defines a “MAGA Republican”, exactly? Biden seemed to be saying it’s anyone who is pro-life or deficit-unfriendly. Is it just a generic term like “deplorable”?
The operational definition I use is:
- thinks the 2020 election was "stolen" and refuses to accept the result
- a very Know Nothing-ist nativism/jingoism/populism
- pushing policies to punish/score points on "the other"
- not interested in governance
- tends to be associated with various wack-a-doodle conspiracy theories
Marjorie Taylor Greene would be the poster-child.
flowerseverywhere
9-7-22, 4:20pm
Besides bae's list around me I see MAGA republicans who believe we are a Christian country and everything would be much better if Christian prayers were said in public schools.
Besides bae's list around me I see MAGA republicans who believe we are a Christian country and everything would be much better if Christian prayers were said in public schools.
Yeah--that's an integral part of the growing tend toward fascism/authoritarianism--beating the population over the head with a perverse version of the Christian religion, including insisting that the Founding Fathers were staunch believers, which was far from the truth--which is why separation of church and state should be iron clad.
And I bet "Spare the rod and spoil the child" is also popular with that bunch.
iris lilies
9-7-22, 9:48pm
Since you didn’t respond with the specifics of what you found bad about the speech I guess you were so exasperated by it that you never did bother to watch it or read it to figure out what was you thought was so goddamn awful about it? At least Alan tried substituting Jew where biden mentioned maga to come up with a hilariously bad reason to be angry.
Having finished my homework assigned by JP, I will now give my brief report on President Biden’s speech in front of Independence Hall in Philadelphia.
I thought it was… OK. It was, generally, a “Rah Rah America” speech and that is nice.
I do not like the fact that he chose to dress down only one “extreme “ ideological group as disrupting America when there are others. And he got it really wrong when he said MAGA peeps believe the U.S. is “carnage, darkness, and despair.” Based on regular interaction with you all on this website, I think Rob and JP and others have the same opinion. I think that Daddy Joe got that way wrong. It’s more likely he didn’t want to call out the people in his own camp because well, he wants them to vote in November. Let’s not insult them.
At least he defined MAGA people and I believe I do not fit that definition so I will not be hauled off to the Gulag/have my Instagram account blocked for wrongthink.
Then there was lots of blah blah blah about what he has accomplished, and that’s fine, he gets to do that because he is the President (and which is why I don’t listen to these speeches.) We have the best economy now of first world places so I guess that’s good. Certainly employment is strong. He said we were coming out of the “darkness of Covid, Charlottesville, gun violence and insurrection” to see the light. Ummm, ok. I do not believe the criminals in my old neighborhood got that memo about gun violence but who am I to question the President.
So that is my report. I cannot give this speech a letter grade because I seldom listen to Presidential speeches so I don’t have grading criteria.
"So that is my report. I cannot give this speech a letter grade because I seldom listen to Presidential speeches so I don’t have grading criteria."
I never listen to presidential speeches, either; I figure I'll catch the highlights on the news.
Most speeches are past my bedtime.
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I do not like the fact that he chose to dress down only one “extreme “ ideological group as disrupting America when there are others. And he got it really wrong when he said MAGA peeps believe the U.S. is “carnage, darkness, and despair.” Based on regular interaction with you all on this website, I think Rob and JP and others have the same opinion. I think that Daddy Joe got that way wrong. It’s more likely he didn’t want to call out the people in his own camp because well, he wants them to vote in November. Let’s not insult them.
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Antifa and Black Lives Matter--the usual groups the right cites as scary and threatening--are anything but. If Antifa were actually a thing, I'd join up, because I definitely hate fascism. And BLM exists to highlight and protest police brutality. They aren't forming militias, holding rallies exhorting people to rise up against the government, spreading propaganda and lies about a "deep state," and systematically choosing politicians to reinforce this anti-American agenda. They don't have stooges like Lindsey Graham predicting/encouraging violence if the DOJ dares to prosecute Trump for withholding state documents. MAGA presents a clear and immediate danger to our democracy, and it's MAGA followers President Biden referenced.
Scary left-wing groups barely register on lists of domestic terrorists, they're basically non-existent at this time.
"Left-wing terrorists, according to the FBI, have a revolutionary socialist agenda, and present themselves as protectors of the populace against the alienating effects of capitalism and U.S. imperialism. Notable early participants in left-wing terrorism were various socialist and anarchist groups from the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Leon Czolgocz, who shot President William McKinley in 1901, embraced anarchist beliefs, though no anarchist group would accept him for membership." (faqs.org)
iris lilies
9-8-22, 11:13am
Antifa and Black Lives Matter--the usual groups the right cites as scary and threatening--are anything but. If Antifa were actually a thing, I'd join up, because I definitely hate fascism. And BLM exists to highlight and protest police brutality. They aren't forming militias, holding rallies exhorting people to rise up against the government, spreading propaganda and lies about a "deep state," and systematically choosing politicians to reinforce this anti-American agenda. They don't have stooges like Lindsey Graham predicting/encouraging violence if the DOJ dares to prosecute Trump for withholding state documents. MAGA presents a clear and immediate danger to our democracy, and it's MAGA followers President Biden referenced.
Scary left-wing groups barely register on lists of domestic terrorists, they're basically non-existent at this time.
"Left-wing terrorists, according to the FBI, have a revolutionary socialist agenda, and present themselves as protectors of the populace against the alienating effects of capitalism and U.S. imperialism. Notable early participants in left-wing terrorism were various socialist and anarchist groups from the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Leon Czolgocz, who shot President William McKinley in 1901, embraced anarchist beliefs, though no anarchist group would accept him for membership." (faqs.org)
Sigh. I guess the looting, burning, and murdering by BLM enthusiasts doesn't really happen in St. louis.I am mistaken.
NOT
Jane you really are physically far removed from the bullshit. It DOES happen. The leftie perps are idealogoically united if not organizationally united although I see a certain amount of organization, especially when the Ferguson bullshit hit. Now THAT debacle used social media communications to organize plans of action and timetables. Even the cops are in on it, standing back to let the hoards run rampant through my city. All this takes place less than a mile from my house.
Don’t tell me there are no “scary left wing groups.” It is out of control rioting from my point of view. You don’t have to see it, and good for you out there in leafy suburbia land.
I'm not here--at all--to make excuses for the small percentage of people at BLM protests who committed crimes, and I won't argue with you about criminals in St. Louis who take advantage of protests to shoot up the place, but you're right--these don't represent an organized, coordinated, well-funded movement to take over the country like the white nationalists have coalesced into in recent years.
I wouldn't characterize the MAGA crowd as wallowing in "carnage, darkness, and despair," I see them awash in belligerence, narrow-mindedness, and paranoia. So I think his speechwriter could have done better.
Personally, I have some trepidation about the future (I finally understand how Hitler rose to power), but I'm old and can hunker with the best of them. It's up to the generations behind us to pull in the reins and steer us back to a steady democratic course.
I don’t see BLM as a terrorist organization, despite the impressive level of destruction they have contributed. They are more in the way of a 1960s-1970s grift, shaking down contributions and mau-mauing the flak catchers for the material benefit of the leadership.
They’ve acquired some pricey real estate in the name of social justice. One leader rejected the idea of financial disclosure forms as “triggering” and “unsafe”. There are various civil suits and AG inquiries ongoing. There may be a few committed ideologues in the mix, but I see them as in a different category from the tiki torch guys.
But I don’t see the tiki torch guys as a well organized and funded conspiracy either. I think Biden’s poorly lit rant was merely an attempt at borking his opposition. I see clowns on both sides, not a nascent American Reich.
The tiki torch guys are a small part of a much larger developing picture.
I wish I shared your rosy outlook that this trend toward nationalism and authoritarianism is harmless and transitory. But I fear that those who promote Trumpism depend on the passivity of the populace to achieve their ends.
iris lilies
9-8-22, 5:42pm
The tiki torch guys are a small part of a much larger developing picture.
I wish I shared your rosy outlook that this trend toward nationalism and authoritarianism is harmless and transitory. But I fear that those who promote Trumpism depend on the passivity of the populace to achieve their ends.
oh I absolutely see a governmental trend towards authoritarianism, but if you don’t see it on all political sides then that’s a huge part of the problem.
oh I absolutely see a governmental trend towards authoritarianism, but if you don’t see it on all political sides then that’s a huge part of the problem.
You might be surprised to find that I do see authoritarian tendencies on the left--especially in the medical, nutritional, and academic fields.
I'm not angry, I'm sad. Sad that we've come to the point where a group of people can be called out as enemies of the state and a rather considerable portion of the country see nothing wrong with it.
If this continues without popular pushback, we'll be a poorer nation for it.
And I’m sad that a group of hypothetically rational people don’t see the threat that maga poses to this country. If it continues without anyone holding them to account we’ll not just be a poorer nation but we won’t be a nation at all.
Having finished my homework assigned by JP, I will now give my brief report on President Biden’s speech in front of Independence Hall in Philadelphia.
I thought it was… OK. It was, generally, a “Rah Rah America” speech and that is nice.
I do not like the fact that he chose to dress down only one “extreme “ ideological group as disrupting America when there are others. And he got it really wrong when he said MAGA peeps believe the U.S. is “carnage, darkness, and despair.” Based on regular interaction with you all on this website, I think Rob and JP and others have the same opinion. I think that Daddy Joe got that way wrong. It’s more likely he didn’t want to call out the people in his own camp because well, he wants them to vote in November. Let’s not insult them.
At least he defined MAGA people and I believe I do not fit that definition so I will not be hauled off to the Gulag/have my Instagram account blocked for wrongthink.
Then there was lots of blah blah blah about what he has accomplished, and that’s fine, he gets to do that because he is the President (and which is why I don’t listen to these speeches.) We have the best economy now of first world places so I guess that’s good. Certainly employment is strong. He said we were coming out of the “darkness of Covid, Charlottesville, gun violence and insurrection” to see the light. Ummm, ok. I do not believe the criminals in my old neighborhood got that memo about gun violence but who am I to question the President.
So that is my report. I cannot give this speech a letter grade because I seldom listen to Presidential speeches so I don’t have grading criteria.
Thank you for your book report. Overall I thought I was well done and I will grant you a B+. The only reason I’m not giving an A is because I would have appreciated more detail on who you think it is in energetic Joe’s party who needs to be called out and why.
And I’m sad that a group of hypothetically rational people don’t see the threat that maga poses to this country. If it continues without anyone holding them to account we’ll not just be a poorer nation but we won’t be a nation at all.
As one who declines the invitation to panic over the newly branded “MAGA” threat, I would like to point out all the prosecutions of the capital rioters, the rejection of the attempt to reinterpret the 12th Amendment, the numerous unsuccessful lawsuits looking to change election results and the raid on Trumps property in Florida. Somebody seems to be holding somebody accountable. If there is a vast right wing conspiracy, they certainly aren’t very effective.
In recent days, I’ve seen “MAGA” used to refer to Trump and his followers, various fringe nutcases, the pro-life movement and Wall Street. Democrats are promoting this new brand to the point of providing tens of millions of dollars to MAGA candidates. Does that sound like people genuinely concerned about a deadly threat?
We’ve become a nation of drama queens. At least in the chattering spaces of media.
It seems to routinely come up that, in spite of multiple investigations, they really cannot prove Trump of illegal activities (yet). I have wondered whether us common folk without access to an army of expensive lawyers would even come close to being so lucky in a similar situation. He and his legal team are masters of evasion through delays, appeals, and technicalities available only to the elite of position or wealth. I think the blind hand of justice is a myth for many of us relative to the upper crust. There are legal issues, then there are moral or ethical violations that are not as clearly defined and which seem acceptable to his base.
I’ll believe that people are being held to account when we start seeing the people who planned a multi-pronged plot to overturn the election get indicted. So far only traitorous little foot soldiers have been held accountable. The big leaders, including multiple traitorous senators who attempted to get fraudulent slates of electors from their states into the electoral college, have so far not suffered any consequences for their actions.
I’ll believe that people are being held to account when we start seeing the people who planned a multi-pronged plot to overturn the election get indicted. So far only traitorous little foot soldiers have been held accountable. The big leaders, including multiple traitorous senators who attempted to get fraudulent slates of electors from their states into the electoral college, have so far not suffered any consequences for their actions.
How far back are you willing to go in your desired purge and prosecution of members of congress? 2016? 2012? 2008? 2004? 2000? or even further? I think you'll find some degree of shenanigans involving elector certifications during just about every national election. Maybe you'd have to limit your desired prosecutions and guaranteed convictions to those folks who are still alive?
How far back are you willing to go in your desired purge and prosecution of members of congress? 2016? 2012? 2008? 2004? 2000? or even further? I think you'll find some degree of shenanigans involving elector certifications during just about every national election. Maybe you'd have to limit your desired prosecutions and guaranteed convictions to those folks who are still alive?
Point me to any other election in our lifetime where even a fraction of the members of congress attempted to thwart the electoral vote count. Literally half the Republican caucus did so this time around. I’m also curious about the other times when senators attempted to bring spayed of BS fake electors into the process. Or a time when a president who lost called state attorneys general and ordered them to ‘find me 11,800 votes’. Or when a failed sad sack sore loser president filed anywhere close to 60 BS lawsuits claiming fictitious voter fraud. Bonus points if you can point me to where all of the above happened in one single presidential election.
He recently filed--it was just thrown out--a case accusing Hillary Clinton of interfering with the election she lost. I forget the particulars, but he is a pathetic little man.
In a roundabout way I hope the more egregious politicians in America are accelerating a process of decay that is helping to create fertile soils for the next era of civilization, one that places less importance on capitalism and more on the coexistence of humanity and nature. It would be a shame if precious life billions of years in the making was snuffed out within a few hundred or thousand years because of an apex life form with god-like powers but lacking god-like wisdom.
In a roundabout way I hope the more egregious politicians in America are accelerating a process of decay that is helping to create fertile soils for the next era of civilization, one that places less importance on capitalism and more on the coexistence of humanity and nature. It would be a shame if precious life billions of years in the making was snuffed out within a few hundred or thousand years because of an apex life form with god-like powers but lacking god-like wisdom.
Well said.
Just shy of my lifetime ... The Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party lost out to electors picked in rigged, racist Democratic Party primaries. Four years before that voter fraud in Illinois helped Kennedy win the presidency.
JP, depending how old you are you could start there, with your beloved Democrats.
How about we start with the ones who assaulted the Senate on Jan 6 dancing the Tyburn jig, then work our way around to the other problem children…
How about we start with the ones who assaulted the Senate on Jan 6 dancing the Tyburn jig, then work our way around to the other problem children…
There's always the rack for making them give up their instigators, but I suppose there's some kind of pesky law against that. :D
I've been thinking about doing a GoFundMe to build a full-scale replica of the Tarpeian Rock on the Mall in DC.
https://www.wetheitalians.com/storage/app/uploads/public/5f7/215/12a/5f721512a4d23444737485.jpg
Seriously....
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/10/politics/louie-gohmert-january-6-simone-gold/index.html
"Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas presented an honorary American flag recently flown above the US Capitol to a convicted January 6 rioter after she was released from prison Friday.
Gohmert, a Trump ally who has previously promoted debunked conspiracies about the January 6, 2021, insurrection, met Dr. Simone Gold upon her release from federal prison in Miami on Friday and gifted her a flag flown over the Capitol along with an official certificate. In a statement released Friday, Gohmert falsely claimed that Gold was "a political prisoner," a term many supporters of former President Donald Trump have used to inaccurately describe the prosecution and incarceration of January 6 defendants."
Right out in the open. Yeah--Tarpeian Rock.
60% of the population will have a chance to vote for an "I support the big liar" republican this november... And the non-trump republicans believe that the party will somehow go back to being the "tax cuts for rich" party in their lifetime. LOL.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/republicans-trump-election-fraud/
frugal-one
9-11-22, 4:35am
60% of the population will have a chance to vote for an "I support the big liar" republican this november... And the non-trump republicans believe that the party will somehow go back to being the "tax cuts for rich" party in their lifetime. LOL.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/republicans-trump-election-fraud/
MAJOR reason not to vote republican!!
Just shy of my lifetime ... The Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party lost out to electors picked in rigged, racist Democratic Party primaries. Four years before that voter fraud in Illinois helped Kennedy win the presidency.
JP, depending how old you are you could start there, with your beloved Democrats.
Next I suppose you’ll be explaining to me how Lincoln was a Republican and therefore it’s not possible that the Republican Party has become the welcoming home for racists in America today.
Seriously....
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/10/politics/louie-gohmert-january-6-simone-gold/index.html
"Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas presented an honorary American flag recently flown above the US Capitol to a convicted January 6 rioter after she was released from prison Friday.
That's rather disturbing. The transitory news has dropped the Jan. 6 proceedings, but I assume there is more to come on that front.
It would be of interest some day to see a list of Trump's circle who have been convicted of crimes and/or are under investigation. Including those who've been pardoned. It sounds like they may at least take Bannon out of circulation, but he probably has expensive lawyers, too. Giuliani seems to teeter on the edge of the law.
We have a county official, Tina Peters, who is a "stop the steal" Republican and is currently charged with election tampering. She received the distinction of being featured in a New Yorker article.
It's fascinating to watch apologists for this gang of miscreants reach desperately for any evidence that "both sides do it," when they clearly don't. Obviously, I'm older than dirt, and the only comparable situation in my lifetime was Watergate, for which Nixon was widely and correctly reviled. And that didn't involve stolen (and sold?) state secrets.
iris lilies
9-11-22, 11:19am
That's rather disturbing. The transitory news has dropped the Jan. 6 proceedings, but I assume there is more to come on that front.
It would be of interest some day to see a list of Trump's circle who have been convicted of crimes and/or are under investigation. Including those who've been pardoned. It sounds like they may at least take Bannon out of circulation, but he probably has expensive lawyers, too. Giuliani seems to teeter on the edge of the law.
We have a county official, Tina Peters, who is a "stop the steal" Republican and is currently charged with election tampering. She received the distinction of being featured in a New Yorker article.
I don’t like recognizing this physician/rioter either, But aren’t we glad she was convicted and served time? Can’t we be happy about that?
Is there anything we can be happy about?
I think the recognition may have a lot to do with her stance on anti-VAX anti-mask sort of alternative to CDC dictums as much as anything, but that’s just my speculation.
But the big picture is: sure, prosecute the Jan 6 rioters to the full extent of the law. Which is hapoening.
iris lilies
9-11-22, 12:29pm
Well finally, a Republican who lays out the important issue of our time—trees—and their menace.
In my gardening reading I came across this snippet about Republican Senate candidate in Georgia, Hershall Walker, who had this to say about trees:
“They continue to try to fool you that they are helping you out. But they’re not. Because a lot of money, it’s going to trees. Don’t we have enough trees around here?”
Walker is, of course, attacking the recently passed and signed Inflation Reduction Act, which, despite its name, is the nation’s biggest, most comprehensive effort to combat global warmin (https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/07/28/manchin-schumer-climate-deal/)g. …”
This man gets it, Trees are The Enemy.
My AQI is 250+ today from wildfire smoke, so he’s not wrong!
iris lilies
9-11-22, 12:31pm
My AQI is 250+ today from wildfire smoke, so he’s not wrong!
Hell yeah, sing it baby!
But the big picture is: sure, prosecute the Jan 6 rioters to the full extent of the law. Which is hapoening.
I don’t think anything less than a comprehensive purge will satisfy them.
Well finally, a Republican who lays out the important issue of our time—trees—and their menace.
In my gardening reading I came across this snippet about Republican Senate candidate in Georgia, Hershall Walker, who had this to say about trees:
“They continue to try to fool you that they are helping you out. But they’re not. Because a lot of money, it’s going to trees. Don’t we have enough trees around here?”
Walker is, of course, attacking the recently passed and signed Inflation Reduction Act, which, despite its name, is the nation’s biggest, most comprehensive effort to combat global warmin (https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/07/28/manchin-schumer-climate-deal/)g. …”
This man gets it, Trees are The Enemy.
Herschel's stories are unquestionably entertaining, but I can't believe someone so obviously either limited or impaired was encouraged to run.
Herschel's stories are unquestionably entertaining, but I can't believe someone so obviously either limited or impaired was encouraged to run.
Possibly concussed.
I don’t think anything less than a comprehensive purge will satisfy them.
By comprehensive purge I assume you mean going all the way up the chain of people involved in attempting to overthrow the government up to the traitor in chief, and not skipping the senatorial traitors, You are correct. It’s odd that democrats are now being derided by republicans because we are in favor of the rule of law.
frugal-one
9-11-22, 4:11pm
By comprehensive purge I assume you mean going all the way up the chain of people involved in attempting to overthrow the government up to the traitor in chief, and not skipping the senatorial traitors, You are correct. It’s odd that democrats are now being derided by republicans because we are in favor of the rule of law.
Yeah, and IL thinks "But the big picture is: sure, prosecute the Jan 6 rioters to the full extent of the law. Which is hapoening." Not!!! They are basically getting a slap on the wrist and, in some cases, given flags for their traitor ways.
iris lilies
9-11-22, 7:02pm
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Yeah, and IL thinks "But the big picture is: sure, prosecute the Jan 6 rioters to the full extent of the law. Which is hapoening." Not!!! They are basically getting a slap on the wrist and, in some cases, given flags for their traitor ways.
She served 60 days in prison and is on probation after that.
That isn’t “a slap on the wrists” in my book. Taking someone’s liberty away for
2 months is a big deal.
Maybe the rational Republicans should have purged their party of clowns like Boebert, Taylor-Green, Jordan, Gohmert, and countless others. The never-Trumpers represent the very best of what the party used to be.
frugal-one
9-11-22, 7:26pm
She served 60 days in prison and is on probation after that.
That isn’t “a slap on the wrists” in my book. Taking someone’s liberty away for
2 months is a big deal.
For trying to overthrow the government and doing damage? ? Two months is just a slap. IMO. If you are talking about Jenna Ryan ? ? She bragged about her involvement. Make the penalty huge so this stupidly doesn’t happen again!
Well finally, a Republican who lays out the important issue of our time—trees—and their menace.
In my gardening reading I came across this snippet about Republican Senate candidate in Georgia, Hershall Walker, who had this to say about trees:
“They continue to try to fool you that they are helping you out. But they’re not. Because a lot of money, it’s going to trees. Don’t we have enough trees around here?”
Walker is, of course, attacking the recently passed and signed Inflation Reduction Act, which, despite its name, is the nation’s biggest, most comprehensive effort to combat global warmin (https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/07/28/manchin-schumer-climate-deal/)g. …”
This man gets it, Trees are The Enemy.
Wow, what a coincidence. I just finished reading an article from a link sent to all the VT Master Gardeners. Great response to Hershall Walker who thinks that trees are irrelevant. IL, I truly don't understand how you think trees are the enemy.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/07/trees-and-democracy-arborists-open-letter-herschel-walker?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
I can see why the idiot Walker is attacking trees. A little while back he explained that our air pollution problems were because China was exporting their pollution to us or some such nonsense. It only makes sense that he’s push back against any other narrative.
(Admittedly claiming that anything he says ‘makes sense’ is a stretch. That dude comes across as the poster child for how harmful football is for human brains).
iris lilies
9-11-22, 8:52pm
Wow, what a coincidence. I just finished reading an article from a link sent to all the VT Master Gardeners. Great response to Hershall Walker who thinks that trees are irrelevant. IL, I truly don't understand how you think trees are the enemy.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/07/trees-and-democracy-arborists-open-letter-herschel-walker?
utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email (https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/07/trees-and-democracy-arborists-open-letter-herschel-walker?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email)
oh come now, you know I like trees in their proper place and when they behave themselves.
Wow, what a coincidence. I just finished reading an article from a link sent to all the VT Master Gardeners
That is a nice article, and I may even forward it. However, as a part of a stronger argument for the sake of trees, he missed the birds that use them for nesting, food, and cover or I didn't see it. I'd call that a major oversight.
That is a nice article, and I may even forward it. However, as a part of a stronger argument for the sake of trees, he missed the birds that use them for nesting, food, and cover or I didn't see it. I'd call that a major oversight.
Agreed--and he focused primarily on the benefits of trees in the urban environment. All true and good benefits, but I would also liked to have seen a nod to the importance of the carbon sequestration of old-growth forest--as well as the importance of wildlife habitat as you said.
By comprehensive purge I assume you mean going all the way up the chain of people involved in attempting to overthrow the government up to the traitor in chief, and not skipping the senatorial traitors, You are correct. It’s odd that democrats are now being derided by republicans because we are in favor of the rule of law.
Oh I think it goes farther than talking themselves into believing they are the saviors of the nation. I see Charlie Crist in Florida is comparing himself to Jesus Christ running against “DeSatan”. In his more modest moments, he’s merely Zelensky.
Sure a lot more fun than talking about inflation or crime, isn’t it?
frugal-one
9-13-22, 8:21am
Oh I think it goes farther than talking themselves into believing they are the saviors of the nation. I see Charlie Crist in Florida is comparing himself to Jesus Christ running against “DeSatan”. In his more modest moments, he’s merely Zelensky.
Sure a lot more fun than talking about inflation or crime, isn’t it?
Your diversionary tactic is not working. Can’t argue jp1’s response so try to divert the issue…. yup, not working.
Meanwhile the republicans just keep getting more and more open about their outright contempt for our government and constitution with their senate candidate from Ohio openly suggesting that we simply ignore the rule of law. It's sad and quite terrifying that they would rather throw the country away rather than attempt to come up with policies that might appeal to a majority of voters. But sure, lets get the ****ing conversation back to inflation and tax cuts for the rich. Un****ing believable how willfully clueless some people are.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/07/jd-vance-fascist-roman-imperialist-caesar/
frugal-one
9-13-22, 3:30pm
That is really scary jp1! Yet people still keep blinders on as to what is going on. They do not look because they don't want to see.
Your diversionary tactic is not working. Can’t argue jp1’s response so try to divert the issue…. yup, not working.
Yes. Inflation, crime, border chaos and fiscal lunacy are a mere smokescreen to obscure the real issue of the cosmic battle for America’s soul. The Democrats understand this, and will continue the good fight even if they have to financially prop up candidates to give them someone to fight.
I read JD Vance's memoir Hillbilly Elegy,and was appalled at his dysfunctional background of rampant drug and alcohol abuse, violence and gleeful grifting. And today, every time he opens his mouth he seems to betray his miserable beginnings.
“This is one of the great tricks that I think the sexual revolution pulled on the American populace, which is the idea that like, ‘well, OK, these marriages were fundamentally, you know, they were maybe even violent, but certainly they were unhappy. And so getting rid of them and making it easier for people to shift spouses like they change their underwear, that’s going to make people happier in the long term,’” Vance said. (at a high school in California in September)
flowerseverywhere
9-13-22, 7:12pm
I'm very surprised the
Republicans and democrats are not listening to the American people. Most people are not for an abortion ban. Hence Kansas and Michigan with ballot initiatives.
Most people want law and order and safe police protection. Why don't both democrats and Republicans denounce blm protesters and Jan 6 protesters who injured and fought police and destroyed property. Both parties should denounce all violence.
Instead of endless investigations why not get affordable healthcare and revise our immigration laws. Why in the world in this day and age do we still have birthright citizenship? Who agrees with sanctuary cities?
I think they all have gone crazy and we are the ones who pay as nothing gets done. Here in FL I cannot even watch TV. The political ads are all hateful scaremongering getting of how bad the opponent is and some of the statements are downright lies. Truly a sad state.
frugal-one
9-13-22, 8:40pm
Watched a 60 Minute segment not too long ago that said campaign ads do NOT have to tell the truth.. Crazy!
iris lilies
9-13-22, 9:28pm
I'm very surprised the
Republicans and democrats are not listening to the American people. Most people are not for an abortion ban. Hence Kansas and Michigan with ballot initiatives.
Most people want law and order and safe police protection. Why don't both democrats and Republicans denounce blm protesters and Jan 6 protesters who injured and fought police and destroyed property. Both parties should denounce all violence.
Instead of endless investigations why not get affordable healthcare and revise our immigration laws. Why in the world in this day and age do we still have birthright citizenship? Who agrees with sanctuary cities?
I think they all have gone crazy and we are the ones who pay as nothing gets done. Here in FL I cannot even watch TV. The political ads are all hateful scaremongering getting of how bad the opponent is and some of the statements are downright lies. Truly a sad state.
Most people don’t want a complete abortion ban, and most states don’t have one. Most people don’t want abortion allowed until and including the ninth month of oregnancy, and most states don’t allow it. I think it’s good that states are now having to work through this thorny issue on their own.
I Think you are wrong about sanctuary cities. There seem to be plenty of people who like them or at least like the idea of them. I think it is hilarious that some of these border city mayors are shipping bus loads of their illegal immigrants to the mayors who have Sanctimoniously prattled about their love of illegal immigrants.
iris lilies
9-13-22, 9:32pm
Watched a 60 Minute segment not too long ago that said campaign ads do NOT have to tell the truth.. Crazy!
But who would determine what “the truth” is? That is a thorny issue. The Twitter etc. platforms are having all kinds of problems with that concept. Perhaps our president should reopen his Politburo of Truth and Beauty or whatever it was called.
Most people don’t want a complete abortion ban, and most states don’t have one. Most people don’t want abortion allowed until and including the ninth month of oregnancy, and most states don’t allow it. I think it’s good that states are now having to work through this thorny issue on their own.
I Think you are wrong about sanctuary cities. There seem to be plenty of people who like them or at least like the idea of them. I think it is hilarious that some of these border city mayors are shipping bus loads of their illegal immigrants to the mayors who have Sanctimoniously prattled about their love of open borders.
As I understand it, sanctuary cities exist to keep local law enforcement from being tasked with harassing people who might be undocumented. Pursuing non-criminals, shaking down people, ID checks etc. cost cities money they'd rather spend fighting crime. I've seen very few proponents of "open borders," like I've seen very few proponents of "abortion on demand," but they make effective Republican talking points.
iris lilies
9-13-22, 10:02pm
As I understand it, sanctuary cities exist to keep local law enforcement from being tasked with harassing people who might be undocumented. Pursuing non-criminals, shaking down people, ID checks etc. cost cities money they'd rather spend fighting crime. I've seen very few proponents of "open borders," like I've seen very few proponents of "abortion on demand," but they make effective Republican talking points.
This does not address your direct point, but the city of St. Louis became a “sanctuary city for reproductive rights” when the board of alderman voted to do that a few years ago.
Yes, that kept law-enforcement from chasing down those reproductive criminals. Because there’s so many of them and the cops had been spending so much time on it! and Lord knows our City prosecutor just spent all of her resources on those cases.
N. O. T.
this is my sarcastic way of saying sanctuary cities are stupid, but somebody likes them. I can assure you that cops and city prosecutors are under no obligation to carry out laws the feds say they must, let alone state laws or even their own city laws. I witness it every day.
And sadly, in today’s aldermanic race, that champion of St. Louis as sanctuary city for production rights is running against my favorite alderman for alderman president. The nutjob will probably win.
My County is a "Nuclear Weapons-Free Zone" and a "GMO-Free Zone"...
Oh, and I just double-checked the list, we're also an "Immigration Sanctuary County".
Makes sense, since we're right on the border, in the midst of traditional smuggling routes...
My County is a "Nuclear Weapons-Free Zone" and a "GMO-Free Zone"...
Oh, and I just double-checked the list, we're also an "Immigration Sanctuary County".
Makes sense, since we're right on the border, in the midst of traditional smuggling routes...
I doubt the sanctuary designation is intended to--or will--stop the investigation of actual crimes.
Yes. Inflation, crime, border chaos and fiscal lunacy are a mere smokescreen to obscure the real issue of the cosmic battle for America’s soul. The Democrats understand this, and will continue the good fight even if they have to financially prop up candidates to give them someone to fight.
What Ldahl actually meant when he wrote this:
OMG. OMG. OMG. THERE IS FISCAL LUNACY GOING ON IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW. LUNACY I TELL YOU. BECAUSE I HAVENT GOTTEN A NEW RICH PERSON TAX CUT IN FIVE YEARS. THE FACT THAT MY BELOVED AND FOREVER DEAD PARTY TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE ****ING GOVERNMENT IS A TRIFLE IN COMPARISON TO THAT. VOTE FOR THE TRAITORS SO I CAN HAVE A FEW EXTRA BUCKS IN MY BANK ACCOUNT BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE MATTERS TO ME.
frugal-one
9-14-22, 8:14am
What Ldahl actually meant when he wrote this:
OMG. OMG. OMG. THERE IS FISCAL LUNACY GOING ON IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW. LUNACY I TELL YOU. BECAUSE I HAVENT GOTTEN A NEW RICH PERSON TAX CUT IN FIVE YEARS. THE FACT THAT MY BELOVED AND FOREVER DEAD PARTY TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE ****ING GOVERNMENT IS A TRIFLE IN COMPARISON TO THAT. VOTE FOR THE TRAITORS SO I CAN HAVE A FEW EXTRA BUCKS IN MY BANK ACCOUNT BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE MATTERS TO ME.
Priority is money…. country be damned.
iris lilies
9-14-22, 9:19am
What Ldahl actually meant when he wrote this:
OMG. OMG. OMG. THERE IS FISCAL LUNACY GOING ON IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW. LUNACY I TELL YOU. BECAUSE I HAVENT GOTTEN A NEW RICH PERSON TAX CUT IN FIVE YEARS. THE FACT THAT MY BELOVED AND FOREVER DEAD PARTY TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE ****ING GOVERNMENT IS A TRIFLE IN COMPARISON TO THAT. VOTE FOR THE TRAITORS SO I CAN HAVE A FEW EXTRA BUCKS IN MY BANK ACCOUNT BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE MATTERS TO ME.
Your characterization of positions of people who sometimes vote Republican is just ridiculous.
Let’s take the issue you keep harping about which is granted, a VERY BIG DEAL. The insurrection of January 6 was a nightmare situation. Please know that The Republican Party did not plan it or execute it. The reaction by some Republicans to this debacle is disappointing to be sure. But idiots who carried it out are being prosecuted. I think Donald Trump had much to do with it to inspire it if not make it happen. The country needs to kick Donald Trump to the curb and move on.
I think you’re right that Republicans actually are in trouble as far as winning elections but probably not from the things you think they’re in trouble for.
My County is a "Nuclear Weapons-Free Zone" and a "GMO-Free Zone"...
Oh, and I just double-checked the list, we're also an "Immigration Sanctuary County".
Makes sense, since we're right on the border, in the midst of traditional smuggling routes...
How do they fit all that on the stationary?
What Ldahl actually meant when he wrote this:
OMG. OMG. OMG. THERE IS FISCAL LUNACY GOING ON IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW. LUNACY I TELL YOU. BECAUSE I HAVENT GOTTEN A NEW RICH PERSON TAX CUT IN FIVE YEARS. THE FACT THAT MY BELOVED AND FOREVER DEAD PARTY TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE ****ING GOVERNMENT IS A TRIFLE IN COMPARISON TO THAT. VOTE FOR THE TRAITORS SO I CAN HAVE A FEW EXTRA BUCKS IN MY BANK ACCOUNT BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE MATTERS TO ME.
All caps is nice, but this is a post that really cries out for crayon. That way you could draw me with a top hat and monocle.
In the adult world, we have the concept of trade offs. I have no great use for the clowns who want to “make America great again”, but that doesn’t mean I’m willing to open the door to the clowns who want to “fundamentally transform America”. And yes, I think prices doubling every eight or nine years is a big deal. I’m funny that way.
Wasn't it Republican President Gerald Ford who broke out the "Whip Inflation Now" buttons? Inflation has no party.
iris lilies
9-14-22, 11:08am
Wasn't it Republican President Gerald Ford who broke out the "Whip Inflation Now" buttons? Inflation has no party. oh I pretty much agree with you, and I am deeply skeptical of any general “fixes “for the economy, nor do I know what really works in creating a strong or a weak economy. There are certain indicators but I don’t pretend to know them when economists widely differ.
I can only appreciate the black humor of a Presidential driven Congressional bill called Inflation Reduction Act That results in practically the next month huge jumps in inflation. The stock market ain’t happy at all. I haven’t checked out the Dow today. Perhaps I will not look at all for my own peace of mind.
Inflation has no party.
When a president decides he can increase the deficit by as much as a trillion dollars on the most tenuous of legal justifications, I think it’s fairly easy to distinguish the filthy from the merely dirty.
I don’t see the current populist/nationalist version of the GOP as the best possible vehicle for the conservative movement right now. But I still feel they are the only available bulwark against the madness the Democrats are peddling. Looking at yesterday’s New Hampshire Senate primary, where Chuck Schumer’s PAC spent three million bucks helping the kind of Republican I don’t like defeat the kind I like, I can’t help but think the nonsense and cynicism isn’t all on one side.
iris lilies
9-14-22, 12:31pm
When a president decides he can increase the deficit by as much as a trillion dollars on the most tenuous of legal justifications, I think it’s fairly easy to distinguish the filthy from the merely dirty.
I don’t see the current populist/nationalist version of the GOP as the best possible vehicle for the conservative movement right now. But I still feel they are the only available bulwark against the madness the Democrats are peddling. Looking at yesterday’s New Hampshire Senate primary, where Chuck Schumer’s PAC spent three million bucks helping the kind of Republican I don’t like defeat the kind I like, I can’t help but think the nonsense and cynicism is all on one side.
I would really like to know what JP has to say about Democratic party funds going to bad Republicans. What’s up with that JP? Or Is that just a lie and it’s not really happening?
When a president decides he can increase the deficit by as much as a trillion dollars on the most tenuous of legal justifications, I think it’s fairly easy to distinguish the filthy from the merely dirty.
Seems like that hasn't started yet, so probably has less to do with inflation than 45's budget increases, tax cuts, and pressuring the fed to keep interest rates low, which is where it all started. He overfueled the economy and then got out before the finger pointing started. I wonder if Europe's high rate of inflation can be blamed on politics too or if there is a common unrelated thread.
frugal-one
9-14-22, 2:44pm
All caps is nice, but this is a post that really cries out for crayon. That way you could draw me with a top hat and monocle.
In the adult world, we have the concept of trade offs. I have no great use for the clowns who want to “make America great again”, but that doesn’t mean I’m willing to open the door to the clowns who want to “fundamentally transform America”. And yes, I think prices doubling every eight or nine years is a big deal. I’m funny that way.
Untrue.. you voted for Johnson who wanted to DRASTICALLY transform America. You voted for trump's minion. You AGAIN speak out of both sides of your mouth! I imagine you will vote for another dastard idiot... Michels.... who advocates AR15s for anyone (even 15 year olds ... saw him say from his own mouth) and here is more of his "law and order" bs. Another trump minion evoking violence. Believe the only thing you need to hear is that they are "republican" and you vote for them. Doesn't matter to you if they want to overthrow the government even.
ETA... DH did business with Michels years ago and he was a deadbeat just like trump... doesn't pay his bills or leaves people hanging.
https://lacrossetribune.com/news/state-and-regional/tim-michels-calls-for-pitchforks-and-torches-after-story-on-his-giving-to-anti-abortion/article_294ca8c0-c276-5a6d-b56d-1268cea62d1a.html
frugal-one
9-14-22, 3:03pm
Your characterization of positions of people who sometimes vote Republican is just ridiculous.
Let’s take the issue you keep harping about which is granted, a VERY BIG DEAL. The insurrection of January 6 was a nightmare situation. Please know that The Republican Party did not plan it or execute it. The reaction by some Republicans to this debacle is disappointing to be sure. But idiots who carried it out are being prosecuted. I think Donald Trump had much to do with it to inspire it if not make it happen. The country needs to kick Donald Trump to the curb and move on.
I think you’re right that Republicans actually are in trouble as far as winning elections but probably not from the things you think they’re in trouble for.
He was talking about Ldahl.
trump should go the way of hoffa and just disappear.
"When a president decides he can increase the deficit by as much as a trillion dollars on the most tenuous of legal justifications, I think it’s fairly easy to distinguish the filthy from the merely dirty."
I have no idea what you're talking about. President Biden's plan ostensibly reduces the deficit by taxing those who currently skate.
From Whitehouse.gov:
The United States is in a stronger economic position than any other major advanced economy in the world. At the same time, inflation is too high and is putting a strain on working families. The President’s top economic priority is tackling inflation and reducing costs for American families – so we can sustain this historic economic recovery in a way that benefits all Americans.
President Biden has a plan to tackle inflation – by lowering costs that families face and lowering the federal deficit by asking the large corporations and the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share. Congressional Republicans, led by Senator Rick Scott, have called for a new minimum tax on the middle class – firefighters and teachers – that would mean an average of almost $1,500 less in families’ pockets each year. And, while part of President Biden’s plan to lower costs is to strengthen Medicare by giving it the power to negotiate prescription drug prices, the Congressional Republican plan would put Medicare – in addition to Social Security, Medicaid, the Affordable Care Act and other critical programs for American families – on the chopping block every five years.
What am I missing?
Michels.... who advocates AR15s for anyone (even 15 year olds ... saw him say from his own mouth)
My daughter was proficient with her AR15 before she was 15 years old.
frugal-one
9-14-22, 5:42pm
My daughter was proficient with her AR15 before she was 15 years old.
Now that is scary! I can see training kids to hunt for food but this type of training is dangerous IMO. These guns should be used for the military only IMO. Crazy in the hands of kids.
Now that is scary! I can see training kids to hunt for food but this type of training is dangerous IMO. These guns should be used for the military only IMO. Crazy in the hands of kids.
My daughter is a quite decent competitive target shooter.
https://thecmp.org/competitions/junior-highpower-support-program/
frugal-one
9-14-22, 6:31pm
Just what we need. Kids using high powered rifles. Nuts!!!!! What is the purpose of having them know how to shoot these machines? ... military or what has been happening in schools across our nation. No wonder we are having problems. Other weapons can be used to target shoot. This is way overkill (pun intended).
"When a president decides he can increase the deficit by as much as a trillion dollars on the most tenuous of legal justifications, I think it’s fairly easy to distinguish the filthy from the merely dirty."
I have no idea what you're talking about. President Biden's plan ostensibly reduces the deficit by taxing those who currently skate.
From Whitehouse.gov:
The United States is in a stronger economic position than any other major advanced economy in the world. At the same time, inflation is too high and is putting a strain on working families. The President’s top economic priority is tackling inflation and reducing costs for American families – so we can sustain this historic economic recovery in a way that benefits all Americans.
President Biden has a plan to tackle inflation – by lowering costs that families face and lowering the federal deficit by asking the large corporations and the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share. Congressional Republicans, led by Senator Rick Scott, have called for a new minimum tax on the middle class – firefighters and teachers – that would mean an average of almost $1,500 less in families’ pockets each year. And, while part of President Biden’s plan to lower costs is to strengthen Medicare by giving it the power to negotiate prescription drug prices, the Congressional Republican plan would put Medicare – in addition to Social Security, Medicaid, the Affordable Care Act and other critical programs for American families – on the chopping block every five years.
What am I missing?
I was talking about the loan “forgiveness” plan, not the “Inflation Reduction Act”.
Whether the former reduces inflation will depend on whether a delicate scaffolding of assumptions holds true.
Untrue.. you voted for Johnson who wanted to DRASTICALLY transform America. You voted for trump's minion. You AGAIN speak out of both sides of your mouth! I imagine you will vote for another dastard idiot... Michels.... who advocates AR15s for anyone (even 15 year olds ... saw him say from his own mouth) and here is more of his "law and order" bs. Another trump minion evoking violence. Believe the only thing you need to hear is that they are "republican" and you vote for them. Doesn't matter to you if they want to overthrow the government even.
ETA... DH did business with Michels years ago and he was a deadbeat just like trump... doesn't pay his bills or leaves people hanging.
https://lacrossetribune.com/news/state-and-regional/tim-michels-calls-for-pitchforks-and-torches-after-story-on-his-giving-to-anti-abortion/article_294ca8c0-c276-5a6d-b56d-1268cea62d1a.html
And yet I still prefer Johnson over Mandela Barnes, who in addition to the usual menu of left wing foolishness is a bit of a tax deadbeat himself.
I was talking about the loan “forgiveness” plan, not the “Inflation Reduction Act”.
Whether the former reduces inflation will depend on whether a delicate scaffolding of assumptions holds true.
So the Rich Man's Tax Relief Act was not inflationary, but the Student Loan Forgiveness Act was. What about all the other rich people's bailouts and tax cuts? Seems like a double standard.
The Trumper candidate for Senate won the primary in purple New Hampshire.
Here the other day, in perhaps the most liberal county in a quite liberal state, our elected fire commissioners appointed someone to fill a vacant seat until the next election for the spot, ~2 years out.
They had only one applicant, after 2 months outreach.
They appointed the sole applicant. Even though community members had pointed out to the commissioners the applicant's public social media pages, which were festooned with QAnon conspiracy stuff, stop-the-steal/patriot posturing, anti-vax/anti-science nonsense, misogyny, anti-LGBTQ posturing, and so forth.
So, there's that datapoint.
frugal-one
9-14-22, 9:26pm
And yet I still prefer Johnson over Mandela Barnes, who in addition to the usual menu of left wing foolishness is a bit of a tax deadbeat himself.
Taxes are the least of worries.... again showing money is your priority.... which is laughable since traitor Johnson wants to reduce social security and medicare (or eliminate if he could). I would imagine as a prior cop you need those for your retirement. Shoot yourself in the foot.
So the Rich Man's Tax Relief Act was not inflationary, but the Student Loan forgiveness Act was. What about all the other rich people's bailouts and tax cuts? Seems like a double standard.
I never said that. I don’t like anybody’s deficits. But I do think the current one’s are especially large. And I really don’t like it when they get created by executive fiat instead of an act of Congress.
Taxes are the least of worries.... again showing money is your priority.... which is laughable since traitor Johnson wants to reduce social security and medicare (or eliminate if he could). I would imagine as a prior cop you need those for your retirement. Shoot yourself in the foot.
There are any number of reasons to vote against Barnes that have little to do with money. He sneered at the cops the whole time Kenosha was burning while spending taxpayer funds on private security for himself. He supports a law for the de facto federal takeover of state elections. He’s always been a willing pawn of public employee unions.
I’m not sure where you got the idea I was a cop. I’m not nearly brave enough or good enough to do that kind of work.
The Trumper candidate for Senate won the primary in purple New Hampshire.
I read this as the Thumper candidate, and got a nice little visual of Thumper saying nice things about everybody.
The Trumper candidate for Senate won the primary in purple New Hampshire.
The Democrats spent a lot of money in support of Bolduc. Maybe they didn’t get the evil traitor memo.
iris lilies
9-15-22, 10:26am
I read this as the Thumper candidate, and got a nice little visual of Thumper saying nice things about everybody.
Thumper is cute.
flowerseverywhere
9-15-22, 11:24am
My County is a "Nuclear Weapons-Free Zone" and a "GMO-Free Zone"...
Oh, and I just double-checked the list, we're also an "Immigration Sanctuary County".
Makes sense, since we're right on the border, in the midst of traditional smuggling routes...
I bet you are relieved people put time and effort into the first two extremely important items.
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