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frugal-one
10-11-22, 12:27pm
Amazingly, the list of reasons is growing. It is depressing to see the lies, debauchery and grab for power. What is so surprising is people are looking the other way because they don't want to see. It is now party over country. I just hope there is a wake up call soon.
Republicans are scraping the bottom of the barrel for candidates, witness Lauren Boebert.
I've lived in two towns in Boeberts third district and her election or possible re-election has been a mystery to me. It's rural western farms and ranch with a few rust belt type towns and a couple of mountain resorts. Pretty much a piece of some of America without many radical contingents. At least one theory is that people don't care if their candidate looks up skirts, or lies about abortions, or thinks Brad Pitt is from planet Claire. They assume they will tow the party line just like all good republicans. Well, except Liz Cheney. I googled republican platform and it's pretty basic and nothing new.
frugal-one
10-12-22, 4:25pm
Some of the old republicans are THE bottom of the barrel... donald trump loyalist... “the worst Wisconsin political representative since the infamous Sen. Joseph McCarthy.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-johnson-gets-old-promise-135523487.html
Johnson is not touting a long record of accomplishments in his ads for re-election,” the board wrote. “Instead, he and his supporters have attacked his opponent — a Black man — as ‘different’ and ‘dangerous.’”
“Johnson in the past promised to serve no more than two terms,” the board concluded. “Voters should hold him to that pledge in November.”
Some of the old republicans are THE bottom of the barrel... donald trump loyalist... “the worst Wisconsin political representative since the infamous Sen. Joseph McCarthy.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-johnson-gets-old-promise-135523487.html
Johnson is not touting a long record of accomplishments in his ads for re-election,” the board wrote. “Instead, he and his supporters have attacked his opponent — a Black man — as ‘different’ and ‘dangerous.’”
“Johnson in the past promised to serve no more than two terms,” the board concluded. “Voters should hold him to that pledge in November.”
Leading by six points as of yesterday!
Some of the old republicans are THE bottom of the barrel... donald trump loyalist... “the worst Wisconsin political representative since the infamous Sen. Joseph McCarthy.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-johnson-gets-old-promise-135523487.html
Johnson is not touting a long record of accomplishments in his ads for re-election,” the board wrote. “Instead, he and his supporters have attacked his opponent — a Black man — as ‘different’ and ‘dangerous.’”
“Johnson in the past promised to serve no more than two terms,” the board concluded. “Voters should hold him to that pledge in November.”
Haven’t you figured it out yet? Being a racist asshole who helps try to overthrow the government is a feature for Republican politicians to utilize. Their voters are proud to explain their support for such people. They enjoy pretending to be butthurt when people call them out for being shitty Americans.
frugal-one
10-13-22, 6:39pm
Disgusting to hear at the hearings today that over 300 republicans who are election deniers are running for office or in office. The committee today has proven again that trump knew he lost but still these fools prevail. trump is to be subpoenaed. We all know he will fight tooth and nail. "While the effort to subpoena trump may languish, more a nod to history than an effective summons, the committee has made clear it is considering whether to send its findings in a criminal referral to the Justice Department." IMO trump should be treated harsher than the "850 people who have been charged by the Justice Department, some receiving lengthy prison sentences for their roles. Several leaders and associates of the extremist Oath Keepers and Proud Boys have been charged with sedition."
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-donald-trump-presidential-elections-election-2020-congress-43c97dd8db5ce460e051204f91aa6cd1
The House panel warned that the insurrection at the Capitol was not an isolated incident but a warning of the fragility of the nation’s democracy in the post-Trump era. The thought of republicans winning the upcoming elections is terrifying. Their purpose is to remain in power no matter what the cost and to continue taking away rights of the people.... abortion is just the start. GOP is talking about voting to reduce or eliminate medicare and social security.... PLUS!
https://truthout.org/articles/gop-plans-to-gut-social-security-and-medicare-if-it-retakes-control-of-congress/
Disgusting to hear at the hearings today that over 300 republicans who are election deniers are running for office or in office.
The GOP is the party of sedition.
iris lilies
10-14-22, 8:24am
The GOP is the party of sedition.
Oh, please.
early morning
10-14-22, 8:33am
Well if you don't believe the current leading GOP heads are seditionists, IL, then how, exactly, would you characterize a seditionist? Merriam Webster defines sedition as: incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority. It seems very clear to me. Supporting those who tried to overthrow the government, and who believe DT should be in power, elected or not, are seditionists.
iris lilies
10-14-22, 9:22am
“Current leading GOP heads” is a broad brush.
See, I can do that too:
Perhaps you prefer the quietly sinister method of Joe Biden in usurping political power by his several sweeping actions that clearly fall outside of his legal authority to act.
Big, loud seditionists or all powerful sneaky sneaks— I prefer the stupidity to be openly advertised. Our legacy media does a bangup job in promoting the former, too bad we cannot count on them to expose the latter.
I don't see the heads of the GOP as seditionists. They just broadly endorse and support a seditionist (or seditionists). Sort of like driving the getaway car in a bank heist, so maybe they are seditionists by association.
catherine
10-14-22, 11:01am
I don't see the heads of the GOP as seditionists. They just broadly endorse and support a seditionist (or seditionists). Sort of like driving the getaway car in a bank heist, so maybe they are seditionists by association.
Good analogy! They're probably hoping to get a portion of the loot (political capital in this case). And a lighter sentence if caught.
frugal-one
10-14-22, 11:01am
[QUOTRE Ron Johnson... donald trump loyalist... “the worst Wisconsin political representative since the infamous Sen. Joseph McCarthy.”
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-sen-ron-johnson-debates-061306459.html ... laughs and boos.
frugal-one
10-14-22, 11:05am
“Current leading GOP heads” is a broad brush.
See, I can do that too:
Perhaps you prefer the quietly sinister method of Joe Biden in usurping political power by his several sweeping actions that clearly fall outside of his legal authority to act.
Big, loud seditionists or all powerful sneaky sneaks— I prefer the stupidity to be openly advertised. Our legacy media does a bangup job in promoting the former, too bad we cannot count on them to expose the latter.
If you watched the hearings yesterday that is exactly what was done! It was SHOWN the republicans publicly voicing what was going to happen. trump calling his minions to rise ... What do you call that?
I don't see the heads of the GOP as seditionists. They just broadly endorse and support a seditionist (or seditionists). Sort of like driving the getaway car in a bank heist, so maybe they are seditionists by association.
having watched the hearings, I do.
frugal-one
10-14-22, 11:06am
“Current leading GOP heads” is a broad brush.
See, I can do that too:
Perhaps you prefer the quietly sinister method of Joe Biden in usurping political power by his several sweeping actions that clearly fall outside of his legal authority to act.
Big, loud seditionists or all powerful sneaky sneaks— I prefer the stupidity to be openly advertised. Our legacy media does a bangup job in promoting the former, too bad we cannot count on them to expose the latter.
Meaning what?
frugal-one
10-14-22, 11:09am
The GOP is the party of sedition.
As tybee noted, if you watched the hearings yesterday there would be no question this is true!
iris lilies
10-14-22, 11:29am
If you watched the hearings yesterday that is exactly what was done! It was SHOWN the republicans publicly voicing what was going to happen. trump calling his minions to rise ... What do you call that?
Sure. Perhaps you have problems with reading comprehension.
Show the stupidity on all sides. My point was, if you could understand it, is that only some sides are being exposed.
Donald trump is still the ****ing head of the gop. Donald trump is a seditionists. How can anyone say with a straight face that the gop isn’t the party of seditionists? It just makes republicans look like damn fools when they do it.
And none of the sad sack both siderisms trying to compare what biden is doing to what trump did would even matter if trump had succeeded in destroying the country. We have methods in place if people think biden is overreaching. If trump had succeeded the only solution would have been a bloody ****ing civil war. There is no comparison.
iris lilies
10-14-22, 12:15pm
Donald Trump is not MY ****ing head.
Geez you people and your relentless campaign to promote him. Give it a damn rest. Otherwise, you might well see him sitting in the White House again.
Donald Trump is not MY ****ing head.
Geez you people and your relentless campaign to promote him. Give it a damn rest. Otherwise, you might well see him sitting in the White House again.
JD Vance would disagree with you. Otherwise he would have remained a never trumper but now had him at a political rally endorsing his run for senate.
iris lilies
10-14-22, 12:31pm
JD Vance would disagree with you. Otherwise he would have remained a never trumper but now had him at a political rally endorsing his run for senate.
It is true that JD Vance did an about face about DJT and that is too bad. But then I’m not sure that JD Vance is the best choice for Ohio anyway. Fortunately I don’t have to decide. Neither do you.
The voters in Wyoming also disagree with you Iris. Otherwise they would have voted for Liz Cheney in the primary.
If the voters in Ohio want to support someone who sought the endorsement of a traitor that says a lot about the state of the Republican Party and who heads it. Kind of like how the voters in Wisconsin seem jazzed about supporting a senate candidate who isn’t just part of the sedition party but actually actively participated in the sedition effort.
Geez you people and your relentless campaign to promote him. Give it a damn rest. Otherwise, you might well see him sitting in the White House again.
We have a president who gives shout-outs to dead people and mumbles about Armageddon at fundraisers. We have the worst inflation in a couple of generations. We have an incoherent border policy and a self-destructive fiscal policy. We have a party in power that regards the Constitution as merely a suggestion. We have a seventies-style crime problem and a hobbled energy industry. If you were a Democrat, what would you want to talk about?
Can you provide stats to support the theory that crime is as bad as the ‘70’s?
Can you provide stats to support the theory that crime is as bad as the ‘70’s?
They’re not there yet, but they’re working on it. We just need a few more of those reformist prosecutors.
iris lilies
10-14-22, 1:11pm
Can you provide stats to support the theory that crime is as bad as the ‘70’s?
https://www.kmov.com/video/2022/10/08/soulard-residents-concerned-over-juveniles-caught-camera-with-large-gun/
I know I know, anecdotes do not equal objective stats. But this thing was taking place and was discussed near my formerneighborhood on Nextdoor several days before the local mainstream media decided to cover the story. Thing is, this gang of kids has been terrorizing my neighbors for months now. Clearly getting bolder. That young chappie carrying the long gun is as much of a danger to himself as to anyone else.
Crime concerns are local. I am not much interested in what is happening in Coastal West lala land, except as a harbinger for whatever is heading my way.
iris lilies
10-14-22, 1:22pm
Here is a clean summary of homicide rates over a 5 year period in City of St.Louis. You can see it is pretty much the same, except for the giant spike in 2020. Gosh what was happening in 2020? Lockdowns, closures, rioting in the street, and other activities dear to the hearts of our Democratic overlords in city government.
https://www.slmpd.org/images/Homicide_Stats_for_Website.pdf
But to be honest, I have no idea how that all affected our homicide rate. In some years a high homicide rate is as simple as two gangs banging away at each other in a turf war.
More importantly than homicide stats, prosecution and effectiveness of our city prosecutor has impact. Her stats are beyond dismal.
Since we’re sharing anecdotes I suppose now is the time to note that in California the county with the highest murder rate last year was kern county at the south end of the Central Valley. (Bakersfield is the county seat). It’s run by republicans. San Francisco’s murder rate was half as high. I don’t know but perhaps what this shows is that being ‘tough in crime’ is not an effective method of reducing crime.
frugal-one
10-14-22, 5:09pm
Donald Trump is not MY ****ing head.
Geez you people and your relentless campaign to promote him. Give it a damn rest. Otherwise, you might well see him sitting in the White House again.
No, YOU will see him in the white house again... continue to vote for the current "republicans" or those "others" you were referring to. Wake up!
frugal-one
10-14-22, 5:10pm
Sure. Perhaps you have problems with reading comprehension.
Show the stupidity on all sides. My point was, if you could understand it, is that only some sides are being exposed.
The side exposed was HOW the "faithful" of trump (and trump himself) almost overthrew the government. Interestingly, republicans were the people telling of the travesty!
frugal-one
10-14-22, 5:16pm
Can you provide stats to support the theory that crime is as bad as the ‘70’s?
Most likely because the republicans relaxed gun laws. We now have the wild wild west.
frugal-one
10-14-22, 5:25pm
We have a president who gives shout-outs to dead people and mumbles about Armageddon at fundraisers. We have the worst inflation in a couple of generations. We have an incoherent border policy and a self-destructive fiscal policy. We have a party in power that regards the Constitution as merely a suggestion. We have a seventies-style crime problem and a hobbled energy industry. If you were a Democrat, what would you want to talk about?
This is a joke! After what happened on Jan 6th it is obvious which party thinks the Constitution should not be followed. Continue to vote republican and there will be Armageddon!
This is a joke! After what happened on Jan 6th it is obvious which party thinks the Constitution should not be followed. Continue to vote republican and there will be Armageddon!
You’re trying to convince a dude who is proud to be voting for a sedition participant. He doesn’t consider Ron Johnson’s status as traitor to be a problem. He considers it to be a positive feature. He’s joined the wing of the Republican Party who believe the most important policy position a candidate can have is ‘f$&@ the libtards.’
To be fair to republicans I have to give them credit for making comedy absurdly easy. SO and I are waiting for the Randy Rainbow concert to start and the warm up the crowd music is playing. Michael Jackson’s Billie Jean started playing and I said ‘OMG. They are playing the Hershel Walker campaign theme song!’ It took about ten seconds before everyone seated around us burst out laughing.
iris lilies
10-14-22, 11:20pm
To be fair to republicans I have to give them credit for making comedy absurdly easy. SO and I are waiting for the Randy Rainbow concert to start and the warm up the crowd music is playing. Michael Jackson’s Billie Jean started playing and I said ‘OMG. They are playing the Hershel Walker campaign theme song!’ It took about ten seconds before everyone seated around us burst out laughing.
dude, such a wit! What did I tell you today?
iris lilies
10-15-22, 1:42pm
So confused. Now the mayor of St. Louis is blaming state legislators for an increase in homicides on their relaxation of gun laws. I’m not sure what gun laws were relaxed but whatever. My point of confusion is that just a few months ago she was bragging about how she single-handedly has brought down murder rate in our city.
She came into office in spring of 2021.
I can’t quite reconcile all these ideas from our mayor but I guess she can. That’s why she is our elected head honcho. By the way, she came into office being the daughter of a man who was our comptroller who went to jail for financial malfeasance. A few years later she herself filed bankruptcy. Then we elected her to be City Treasurer.
You can’t make this shit up.
You’re trying to convince a dude who is proud to be voting for a sedition participant. He doesn’t consider Ron Johnson’s status as traitor to be a problem. He considers it to be a positive feature. He’s joined the wing of the Republican Party who believe the most important policy position a candidate can have is ‘f$&@ the libtards.’
I’m a dude who thinks Mandela Barnes would be worse for the country than Ron Johnson. You don’t need to slather on a lot of your Manichean narrative to explain it.
I don’t think much of the Trumpists, but I also don’t think much of his opposition’s agenda.
frugal-one
10-15-22, 2:29pm
I’m a dude who thinks Mandela Barnes would be worse for the country than Ron Johnson. You don’t need to slather on a lot of your Manichean narrative to explain it.
I don’t think much of the Trumpists, but I also don’t think much of his opposition’s agenda.
You would rather vote for a person who tried to overthrow the government (a trumpist)? Do you not believe Biden won the election? I'm not overly thrilled with Barnes but IMO Johnson is a traitor that should be in jail and not allowed to run for office. Anyone would be better than him.
I tried to watch the governatorial debate too and could only watch about 30 minutes. Tim Michels never answered the questions asked. He sidestepped everything. He also sounded like he was mentally impaired. I keep trying to find some redeeming quality in the republicans offered but there is none. Michels saying abortion never to be allowed in ANY case... guaranteed death of mother, rape or incest ... totally nuts!
I wish our country could get back to some semblance of sanity.
I’m a dude who thinks Mandela Barnes would be worse for the country than Ron Johnson. You don’t need to slather on a lot of your Manichean narrative to explain it.
I don’t think much of the Trumpists, but I also don’t think much of his opposition’s agenda.
And I don’t think much of people who don’t think that participating in an attempt to overthrow the government isnt a disqualifying event for holding public office.
I wonder how many Georgians who watched their senate debate noticed that the guy who threatened his wife with a gun, had several kids whose existence he denies, and paid for a mistress’s abortion was also the guy who was constantly quoting scripture while the actual Christian pastor never felt the need to mention the Bible?
I'm impressed. Ron Johnson showed that republicans actually can do comedy that doesn't involve punching down!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bhKJwobzRk
I'm impressed. Ron Johnson showed that republicans actually can do comedy that doesn't involve punching down!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bhKJwobzRk
:~)I adore Michael Steele.
And now we have confirmation. If the pro Putin party wins the house we won’t be sending any more aid to Ukraine.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-donald-trump-humanitarian-assistance-congress-c47a255738cd13576aa4d238ec076f4a
frugal-one
10-19-22, 5:48pm
And now we have confirmation. If the pro Putin party wins the house we won’t be sending any more aid to Ukraine.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-donald-trump-humanitarian-assistance-congress-c47a255738cd13576aa4d238ec076f4a
It has been evident for a long time who they are.
And now we have confirmation. If the pro Putin party wins the house we won’t be sending any more aid to Ukraine.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-donald-trump-humanitarian-assistance-congress-c47a255738cd13576aa4d238ec076f4a
I don't think that's what the story says.
It has been evident for a long time who they are.
By "who they are" do you mean the only ones interested in providing the oversight role required of their office?
I don't think that's what the story says.
I’m sorry you lack the ability to read between the lines. But I suppose that’s related to your inability to admit that a Republican could ever do anything wrong. Ever.
And now we have confirmation. If the pro Putin party wins the house we won’t be sending any more aid to Ukraine.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-donald-trump-humanitarian-assistance-congress-c47a255738cd13576aa4d238ec076f4a
Maybe, but I didn't get that from the article either. The fact that Trumpsters were no fan of NATO and it was America first might hint at possibilities. For now I think the GOP is likely to say anything to appeal to different factions and win a few votes.
I’m sorry you lack the ability to read between the lines. But I suppose that’s related to your inability to admit that a Republican could ever do anything wrong. Ever.
You’re reading a lot between those lines if you don’t see any distance between “no blank check” and “not sending any more aid”.
frugal-one
10-19-22, 8:29pm
By "who they are" do you mean the only ones interested in providing the oversight role required of their office?
No I mean the republicans who stand behind a dictator before they stand behind democracy.
I voted a straight Democratic ticket yesterday for reasons mentioned. Dropped my ballot off at a 24 hour drop box by bicycle located a couple of miles from my home at a park entrance.
iris lilies
10-22-22, 9:20am
I voted a straight Democratic ticket yesterday for reasons mentioned. Dropped my ballot off at a 24 hour drop box by bicycle located a couple of miles from my home at a park entrance.
My ticket is going to be peppered with D’s ( much to my chagrin) and R’s. Probably no L’s, G’s, this time around.
I’m sorry I won’t be able to vote in the city election because the best alderman choice for my condo area is essentially the Republican candidate even though he’s running on a Democratic ticket because everyone runs on a Democratic ticket in the city.
The only Republican I voted for on this ballot was the Registry of Deeds who was voting unopposed, and I have also dealt with her extensively via phone and she is a wonderful, competent person, so I voted for her.
It would have been a tough choice if she had a Democratic opponent, but I probably would have still voted for her.
iris lilies
10-22-22, 3:16pm
Most likely because the republicans relaxed gun laws. We now have the wild wild west.
Now I find this statement confusing because I thought the Democratic lead Congress passed the most important gun reform of recent decades. At least they are bragging about it.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/30/us/gun-control-laws-2022/index.html
funny, since it doesnt actually control any guns but it throws money at a problem, Pretty much the M.O. of the Democratic Party
Please note I used a CNN source so that you could understand it.
iris lilies
10-22-22, 3:22pm
Meaning what?
Well for one thing, his illegal effort to forgive student federally backed debts in the form of student loans. You do understand why that’s illegal, right? I’m not sure if Rachel Maddow has presented an objective case of President Biden illegal actions, but I’m guessing probably not.
Today a federal court blocked that illegal action.
frugal-one
10-22-22, 5:06pm
Now I find this statement confusing because I thought the Democratic lead Congress passed the most important gun reform of recent decades. At least they are bragging about it.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/30/us/gun-control-laws-2022/index.html
funny, since it doesnt actually control any guns but it throws money at a problem, Pretty much the M.O. of the Democratic Party
Please note I used a CNN source so that you could understand it.
You are the one who needs to understand. What you don't seem to understand is that the ban would have been much more but was blocked by republicans. The bipartisan gun law was just that. If you read further in your citing... CA had the best laws because they have a democratic gov. The republicans block as much as they can because they are subsidized by the gun lobbists.
frugal-one
10-22-22, 5:08pm
Well for one thing, his illegal effort to forgive student federally backed debts in the form on student loans. You do understand why that’s illegal, right? I’m not sure if Rachel Maddow has presented an objective case of President Biden illegal actions, but I’m guessing probably not.
Today a federal court blocked that illegal action.
What question are you responding to?
Please note I used a CNN source so that you could understand it.
Do you have to be so snarky?
iris lilies
10-22-22, 5:46pm
Do you have to be so snarky?
oh, ok.
iris lilies
10-22-22, 5:50pm
What question are you responding to?your post #1016
frugal-one
10-22-22, 8:45pm
[QUOTE=iris lilies;415826]Well for one thing, his illegal effort to forgive student federally backed debts in the form of student loans. You do understand why that’s illegal, right? I’m not sure if Rachel Maddow has presented an objective case of President Biden illegal actions, but I’m guessing probably not.
Today a federal court blocked that illegal action.[/QUOTE
I am not a one horse pony as you seem to imply. I, at least, read and partake of the news. Although, like you, I don’t believe forgiving student loans is/was advisable. I don’t agree with all actions Biden has taken but find student loan forgiveness more acceptable than giving tax cuts to the rich.
iris lilies
10-22-22, 9:18pm
[QUOTE=iris lilies;415826]Well for one thing, his illegal effort to forgive student federally backed debts in the form of student loans. You do understand why that’s illegal, right? I’m not sure if Rachel Maddow has presented an objective case of President Biden illegal actions, but I’m guessing probably not.
Today a federal court blocked that illegal action.[/QUOTE
I am not a one horse pony as you seem to imply. I, at least, read and partake of the news. Although, like you, I don’t believe forgiving student loans is/was advisable. I don’t agree with all actions Biden has taken but find student loan forgiveness more acceptable than giving tax cuts to the rich.
But see, I don’t know that you and I do agree about student loans because I don’t know your reason for thinking forgiveness is bad.
frugal-one
10-23-22, 4:29pm
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But see, I don’t know that you and I do agree about student loans because I don’t know your reason for thinking forgiveness is bad.
The reason doesn't matter. We are in agreement. I have not researched the legality of it nor do I care to waste my time to do so... if that is what you are thinking. Legal or not ... I don't care.
iris lilies
10-23-22, 5:23pm
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The reason doesn't matter. We are in agreement. I have not researched the legality of it nor do I care to waste my time to do so... if that is what you are thinking. Legal or not ... I don't care.
That’s fine if it doesn’t matter to you.
Reasons matter to me. For instance, sometimes I could agree with what Donald Trump did even though I did not agree with his reason for doing it. His reasoning informed me about his political philosophies and potential future policies.
Following in the footsteps of unapologetically unhinged religionist Michelle Bachman, Marjorie Taylor (Greene optional) is announcing the end of the end times. Jehovah coming soon to a planet near you, I guess. Whatever happened to keeping one's religion to yourself, and out of politics?
frugal-one
10-24-22, 9:50am
News yesterday said that poll workers in Stoughton, WI (and most likely other places) are receiving active shooter training! How disgusting is this? Just heard a snippet on the news that election deniers are looking to cause trouble. And, who would that be? republicans!
I am going to vote early today. Hopely we can keep the republican whack jobs out of office. I shudder to think of the consequences if not.
I sent my ballot in early. My husband wants to vote in person. My son is doing what he is, and my daughter-in-law is doing what I am doing. Maybe it's a gender thing.
Active shooter training is pretty widespread these days--we have had it for years at my place of employment, a college. I think it's probably everywhere now.
Active shooter training is pretty widespread these days--we have had it for years at my place of employment, a college. I think it's probably everywhere now.
That's true, I became an ALICE (https://www.alicetraining.com/) active shooter training instructor about 10 years ago and brought it to my workplace where it was a very popular addition to our training curricula.
Dr Oz. ‘Abortion decisions should be between women, doctors and local political leaders.’
frugal-one
10-26-22, 9:15am
Dr Oz. ‘Abortion decisions should be between women, doctors and local political leaders.’
This is what you will get if you vote for republicans. Talk about invasion of privacy!. Read somewhere they want girls in high school to tell them menstruation times so they can be monitored….. big brother anyone?
catherine
10-26-22, 9:42am
This is what you will get if you vote for republicans. Talk about invasion of privacy!. Read somewhere they want girls in high school to tell them menstruation times so they can be monitored….. big brother anyone?
Wow. I couldn't believe it until I looked it up, and after a very brief internet search I found that you are right--a couple of different motives for tracking menstrual cycles but it still comes down to NOYDB as far as I'm concerned.
Tracking female athlete cycles, to identify trans females who are barred from female sports in Florida.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/10/05/florida-high-schools-are-asking-female-athletes-5-questions-about-their-menstrual-periods/?sh=1fff5e685170
A movement (MHM, or Menstrual Hygiene Management) to teach young females proper menstrual hygiene and provide support, purportedly most needed in low- and middle=ncome populations because they don't have "adequate physical environments and social support" to be able to handle it on their own. Wow. How did we manage for millennia without such "needed" support? I guess we poor and middle-income people never had a mother, sister or aunt. Wow.
https://health-policy-systems.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12961-020-00669-8
iris lilies
10-26-22, 9:59am
Agreed that this action of the Florida High School Athletic Association is overstepping. I would tell my kid not to answer these questions. But then, my kid wouldn't be out for any athletic competition who am I kidding, I would throw nerd genes.
Trans women will be entering women’s sports. That’s just they way thing are going and we need to accept it, and all of the Title 9 codicils in the world are not going to stem the tide.
There have been, for years, various standards used at Olympic level sports to identify women vs men, not always successfully. A few female Nigerian track stars come to mind for their excessive amount of testosterone.
A reminder here: This is not law.
As for the 2nd article, that is entirely different and should not be part of this discussion IMHO. It addresses helping efforts in third world countries to address a health issue. Paternalistic? maybe, but that can be said for much if the West’s work in 3rd world countries. If you skim the article “Bandledesh, Gambia, Phillipines…etc” are mentioned.
i have heard of these efforts to bring sanitary products and procedures to these areas of thevworld.
iris lilies
10-26-22, 10:06am
Dr Oz. ‘Abortion decisions should be between women, doctors and local political leaders.’
Dr. Oz says he is not in favor of prosecution, but when he is in the position of making law, he needs to be clear why he is making a law that he does not support.
All it takes is one zealous county prosecutor to intimidate physicians who perform abortions in his locale.
JaneV2.0
10-26-22, 11:33am
Agreed that this action of the Florida High School Athletic Association is overstepping. I would tell my kid not to answer these questions. But then, my kid wouldn't be out for any athletic competition who am I kidding, I would throw nerd genes.
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Honestly. If I ended up with an athletic child, I'd figure it had been switched at birth. And my father was an athlete.
frugal-one
10-31-22, 9:34am
Watched the most recent 60 Minutes episode. It was quite disturbing to hear some of the republicans continued spread of lies. When asked for backup evidence..there was none. But, people are voting for them anyways.
Also showed scientists trying to find clues of other possible pandemic producing viruses. As heard before the covid19….It is not a matter of if but when… I sure hope it is not in my lifetime!
Watched the most recent 60 Minutes episode. It was quite disturbing to hear some of the republicans continued spread of lies. When asked for backup evidence..there was none. But, people are voting for them anyways.
Me too. Election deniers running governor in 19 states, attorney general in 10 and secretary of state in 12 are the numbers they used. And that's not to mention congressional candidates. Like the moderator said, it's a threat to democracy. The best logic I can come up with is that there are those who think winning is everything at the cost of lying on major issue of election fairness and outcome. I really don't get it.
When even one of the "good" republicans like Glenn Youngkin uses the occasion of an assassination attempt on Nancy Pelosi as the punchline of a joke at a campaign rally it's clear there are no "good" republicans left.
It was amazing to see how quickly the QAnon/MyPillow wing of the GOP managed to spin the attack on Paul Pelosi into some sort of vile lurid gay/drug/sexwork conspiracy theory, and how fast that spread through the infosphere.
Within a day or so, even relatively mainstream/sane-appearing right-wing acquaintances of mine were passing along the agitprop.
Shame. Shame. Shame.
Apparently the guy that just bought twitter is now part of the GQP as well, having tweeted a link to an article about that. But I'm sure the platform won't turn into Parler v 2.0 or anything...
Dr. Oz says he is not in favor of prosecution, but when he is in the position of making law, he needs to be clear why he is making a law that he does not support.
All it takes is one zealous county prosecutor to intimidate physicians who perform abortions in his locale.
Apparently it also can be one state attorney general who happens to be running for senate as well. Yet ANOTHER example of republicans in government weaponizing the government against people they disagree with.
https://missouriindependent.com/2022/10/28/democrat-alleges-missouri-investigating-hospital-in-retaliation-for-ad-critical-of-eric-schmitt/
flowerseverywhere
11-1-22, 11:31am
My area is in the middle of early voting and the numbers are way way down. No explanation but local officials are baffled.
I’m not sure if everyone gave up, wants to vote in person on Election Day, is going to flood the officials with last possible minute mail in ballots or what. Trump got 67% of the vote here in 2020. So much has happened since then it will be quite interesting in 2024. DeSantis will win by a landslide in my county if he runs. He is a well educated, clever attorney and veteran still in the reserves. He is very well spoken and has a young family.
I disagree with much of what he has done, but most people around me love, love, love him.
iris lilies
11-1-22, 11:52am
My area is in the middle of early voting and the numbers are way way down. No explanation but local officials are baffled.
I’m not sure if everyone gave up, wants to vote in person on Election Day, is going to flood the officials with last possible minute mail in ballots or what. Trump got 67% of the vote here in 2020. So much has happened since then it will be quite interesting in 2024. DeSantis will win by a landslide in my county if he runs. He is a well educated, clever attorney and veteran still in the reserves. He is very well spoken and has a young family.
I disagree with much of what he has done, but most people around me love, love, love him.
oh how I would love for Desantis to knock DJT off the pedestal.
oh how I would love for Desantis to knocked DJT off the pedestal.
Yes. DeSantis is merely evil, not deranged. It's possible he could be worked with.
ApatheticNoMore
11-1-22, 1:14pm
I would take Trump over DeSantis. IOW I'd take lazy corrupt narcissistic doesn't really care about anything other than their own personal corruption evil, over willful malevolent competent evil.
iris lilies
11-1-22, 2:21pm
I would take Trump over DeSantis. IOW I'd take lazy corrupt narcissistic doesn't really care about anything other than their own personal corruption evil, over willful malevolent competent evil.
No! Do tell: Trump over Desantis. Whyyyyyy???
I would take Trump over DeSantis. IOW I'd take lazy corrupt narcissistic doesn't really care about anything other than their own personal corruption evil, over willful malevolent competent evil.
In this current era, where nuclear sabre-rattling is an everyday thing, I don't want Trump anywhere near The Big Red Button. (Plus, I'm pretty sure Trump is on Putin's side.)
Now trump's coup plotting attorney has pivoted to training poll workers on the best ways to be intimidating to people suspected of being democrats. What a bunch of vile, ugly people the republican party has become.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/28/eastman-poll-watchers-record-00063893
... What a bunch of vile, ugly people the republican party has become.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/28/eastman-poll-watchers-record-00063893
I was thinking the same thing, after the jackals emerged to feed on Paul Pelosi's assault and medical condition. For God's sake, this is an 82-year old man who is not a political figure, whose skull was broken!!!
iris lilies
11-1-22, 5:05pm
I was thinking the same thing, after the jackals emerged to feed on Paul Pelosi's assault and medical condition. For God's sake, this is an 82-year old man who is not a political figure, whose skull was broken!!!
You never know what the idiots are going to fixate on.
You never know what the idiots are going to fixate on.
Hillary Clinton being the head of a cabal of demon-worshipping pedophiles that operate out of a pizza parlor?
Hillary Clinton being the head of a cabal of demon-worshipping pedophiles that operate out of a pizza parlor?
I was reminded recently that "Hollywood elites" (read Jews) drinking children's blood ("blood libel") is an ancient theme used for 2000 years to excuse and promulgate violence against Jews.
I was reminded recently that "Hollywood elites" (read Jews) drinking children's blood ("blood libel") is an ancient theme used for 2000 years to excuse and promulgate violence against Jews.
Oh, I'm sure, sure, that there is no anti-Semitism involved in any of this...
flowerseverywhere
11-1-22, 10:04pm
Yes. DeSantis is merely evil, not deranged. It's possible he could be worked with.
agree. But he needs to be knocked off his high horse because he can be dictatorial without checks in place . But he is very clever and very smart and way more charismatic than he who shall not be named. . And he has not tried to ride the coattails of the election deniers. He is actually running on his own record. His slogan is Keep Florida Free.
I wonder if the GOP folks, up to the level of Trump, will walk back their scurrilous attacks on an 82 year old man who had his skull fractured?
Or, will contrary facts to their theory merely reinforce it? I mean, the police and federal law enforcement agencies are clearly in on the conspiracy, and many others...
I believe we are living in a post-fact world.
littlebittybobby
11-1-22, 10:36pm
I will be voting for most of the Repubs and none of the Demmacrats on the ballot. I've decided that what happened over at the Pelosi residence the other night was that a crazed san franciscan forced his way into the residence, and confronted the old man, and assaulted him. Mrs Pelosi wasn't home, so she was spared. I am astonished that people with their level of notoriety don't live in a more secure environment. Probably, now they will take some precautions.
Given the number of times that Nancy has been portrayed in the center of a bullseye and other such bullshit in ads by Republican politicians it’s not even remotely surprising that this happened. Some people are proud to align themselves with those assholes and pretend ‘who could have foreseen this????’ Personally I’m glad that I actually have enough ethics to not have anything to do with such a shitty group of humans.
littlebittybobby
11-2-22, 10:02am
I still sitting here, wondering how that guy with the hammer managed to get into the Pelosi Mansion. It doesn't make sense that they don't have a serious amount of security, there. This might be a different for-instance, but the empire-building, entrenched Mayor o' Chicago from decades ago (Daly) had his modest home guarded round-the-clock by a police officer. See? While I'm not jumping on any rumor bandwagons, there are still circumstances that leave questions. Of course, otoh, Pelosi was caught driving while impaired apparently by himself, when you would think that a man of his means and age would have someone chauffeuring him around, too. Is he that careless? At the rate things are going, I don't think we'll ever know the truth. You'll just have to pick your narrative, based upon your ideology. Yup.
iris lilies
11-2-22, 11:48am
Hillary Clinton being the head of a cabal of demon-worshipping pedophiles that operate out of a pizza parlor?
Yes, that was a good one.
Apparently pelosi’s (attempted) assassinator isn’t especially smart since he didn’t even plan around when she would likely be in San Francisco. If he had he wouldn’t have gotten in as she has secret service protection. It’s kind of sad and pathetic that now even old men who aren’t in government need extra protection from Republican violence.
Apparently pelosi’s (attempted) assassinator isn’t especially smart since he didn’t even plan around when she would likely be in San Francisco. If he had he wouldn’t have gotten in as she has secret service protection. It’s kind of sad and pathetic that now even old men who aren’t in government need extra protection from Republican violence.
She has Capitol Police protection, not Secret Service, and what makes you think dude is a Republican and not just bat shit crazy?
She has Capitol Police protection, not Secret Service, and what makes you think dude is a Republican and not just bat shit crazy?
And if he was bat-shit crazy, what forces in our society, if any, pushed him to his specific choice of victim, goals, and language?
And if he was bat-shit crazy, what forces in our society, if any, pushed him to his specific choice of victim, goals, and language?
I don't know, his partner says he thought he was Jesus for a year, who do you think we should blame for that?
If we're going to go down that 'everything's political' rabbit hole and the effect of language on mentally ill people, I wonder why he didn't go after one of our Supreme Court Justices after Chuck Schumer stood on the Court steps and shouted, "We're coming after you Kavanaugh". I prefer to think that like the guy who then did go after Kavanaugh, some folks are just crazy.
She has Capitol Police protection, not Secret Service, and what makes you think dude is a Republican and not just bat shit crazy?
I understand he left quite an electronic trail. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/david-depape-alleged-paul-pelosi-attacker-shared-qanon-beliefs-1234620507/
"DAVID DEPAPE, THE man now charged with attempted homicide and a raft of other felonies for allegedly attacking Paul Pelosi, husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, with a hammer in the couple’s San Francisco home early this morning, has a long history of sharing extreme ideas online, including several conspiracy theories popular among far-right conservatives.
At the time of his arrest on Friday, DePape, 42, maintained a subscription-model blog where he vented rage over Covid-19 precautions and espoused beliefs shared by the conspiracist QAnon movement. The page also includes dedicated sections for Holocaust denial, climate change denial, transphobia, racism, misogyny, voter fraud conspiracy theories, Second Amendment absolutism, screeds against groomers and “pedos,” and trashing actress Amber Heard, the ex-wife of Johnny Depp.
DePape posted similar hard-right and conspiratorial content on his Facebook page, which the platform deleted on Friday.
In an Aug. 23 post on his personal blog, DePape wrote, “How did I get into all this. Gamer gate it was gamer gate.” Gamergate was an online misogynist harassment campaign that stretched across 2014 and 2015. It originated as a backlash to feminism and women in the video game industry but morphed into a strain of alt-right ideology that many argue radicalized legions of disaffected men."
Note DePape, like so many of these would-be and successful murderers, is on the record as being a devout woman-hater.
She has Capitol Police protection, not Secret Service, and what makes you think dude is a Republican and not just bat shit crazy?
Come back after you've spent five minutes reading about him and tell me you still think he's just crazy and not a maga republican. I realize that will be hard for you since you truly can't imagine any republican ever doing anything bad but JFC, at least try to be believable.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/29/pelosi-attacker-david-depape-was-psychotic-addict-estranged-from-pedophile-lover-kids/
While various interested parties want to paint this guy as radicalized by right wing rhetoric, he seems to have espoused lunacy from both sides of the aisle. Personally, I see him as a general-purpose nutcase who acts on whatever the voices have told him recently.
The people bathing themselves in red light and ranting about ultra mega maga super Nazis talking about other peoples' overwrought rhetoric strikes me as not a little
disingenuous. Especially when they support them in their primary bids.
Teacher Terry
11-3-22, 12:07am
The capital police is a small force and they focus on the person that’s elected. So no one was monitoring the screen when the nut broke in. I would be living in a high rise condo if I was in that position. Way too easy to break into a home and too many nuts in the world.
If we're going to go down that 'everything's political' rabbit hole and the effect of language on mentally ill people, I wonder why he didn't go after one of our Supreme Court Justices after Chuck Schumer stood on the Court steps and shouted, "We're coming after you Kavanaugh". I prefer to think that like the guy who then did go after Kavanaugh, some folks are just crazy.
So, did Shumer, or anyone else, put Kavanaugh in a bullseye? Or say "I'd be hard pressed not to use the gavel on Kavanaugh's head if I got on the court" (like asshole Kevin McCarthy (potential speaker of the house) said about pelosi)? There is a big difference between "we're coming after you" and all the violent rhetoric the republicans have been using against democrats for years. Surely you aren't as stupid as you sound when you try to make these pathetic false equivalences. Just stop while you're behind. You only make the rest of us understand all the more clearly than ever how ugly your political party is.
iris lilies
11-3-22, 12:43am
Come back after you've spent five minutes reading about him and tell me you still think he's just crazy and not a maga republican. I realize that will be hard for you since you truly can't imagine any republican ever doing anything bad but JFC, at least try to be believable.
And sometimes those MAGA people, or those suspected of being MAGA, are not only attacked but actually killed.
https://www.am1100theflag.com/news/regional-news/54265-no-place-in-civil-society-for-hateful-violence-north-dakota-attorney
But he’s just a local drunk who causes trouble when he’s in his cups I guess. President Joe Biden’s speech about how MAGA Americans are a threat to democracy spa few days prior had nothing to do with spurring on this drunk guy who ran over a kid. Nah, nothing.
iris lilies
11-3-22, 12:49am
So, did Shumer, or anyone else, put Kavanaugh in a bullseye? Or say "I'd be hard pressed not to use the gavel on Kavanaugh's head if I got on the court" (like asshole Kevin McCarthy (potential speaker of the house) said about pelosi)? There is a big difference between "we're coming after you" and all the violent rhetoric the republicans have been using against democrats for years. Surely you aren't as stupid as you sound when you try to make these pathetic false equivalences. Just stop while you're behind. You only make the rest of us understand all the more clearly than ever how ugly your political party is.
Shumer’s rhetoric against Kavanaugh earned him a dressing down from the chief of the Supreme Court John Roberts.. That’s unusual to you have the head of the supreme court bitch slap a major politician.I would say Shumer’s threatening rhetoric was hot and could well have incited action in others who are not entirely stable.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-abortion-scene/u-s-chief-justice-slams-schumer-for-dangerous-comment-on-justices-in-abortion-case-idUSKBN20R2KX
So, did Shumer, or anyone else, put Kavanaugh in a bullseye? Or say "I'd be hard pressed not to use the gavel on Kavanaugh's head if I got on the court" (like asshole Kevin McCarthy (potential speaker of the house) said about pelosi)? There is a big difference between "we're coming after you" and all the violent rhetoric the republicans have been using against democrats for years. Surely you aren't as stupid as you sound when you try to make these pathetic false equivalences. Just stop while you're behind. You only make the rest of us understand all the more clearly than ever how ugly your political party is.
LOL, thanks for again demonstrating the difference between those ideologues being ugly and those not. It's always helpful.
LOL, thanks for again demonstrating the difference between those ideologues being ugly and those not.
Must be an eye of the beholder sort of thing. Like when the President makes speeches saying that unless the Democrats remain in sole control of the government we will be in danger of one party rule.
You know what's ugly?
I was leafing through the currency in my billfold a couple days ago to pay for something when I noticed someone had stamped (in red ink) "F*** Biden" on many of the ones.
Now--Someone had a lot of hatred to go to the trouble of ordering a stamp, then sitting and stamping each bill in their possession to get their ugly message out there. And some stamp company was ok producing that stamp for them.
I was a bit reluctant to pass those bills on.
Is this really necessary? What does this say about us?
see the part about gerrymandering, many states don't really represent citizen desires anymore above. Also if people want to order abortion pills fine, but I resent that state healthcare resources in blue states will be used for people in other states that cross state lines for an abortion, stretching our resources (not just abortion resources).
IL is promoting itself for abortion tourism in the Midwest. Both the IL gov and the Chicago mayor have spoken a lot publicly about this. Adding capacity to serve those from out of state has been specifically mentioned.
You know what's ugly?
I was leafing through the currency in my billfold a couple days ago to pay for something when I noticed someone had stamped (in red ink) "F*** Biden" on many of the ones.
Now--Someone had a lot of hatred to go to the trouble of ordering a stamp, then sitting and stamping each bill in their possession to get their ugly message out there. And some stamp company was ok producing that stamp for them.
I was a bit reluctant to pass those bills on.
Is this really necessary? What does this say about us?
When your politicians express extreme contempt for those of us on the right, what do you expect? We’ve been told we’re all domestic terrorists, racist scum, straight white men are worthless, we’re bitter clinging to our guns and religion and you’re surprised we’re saying “f**k off” to the prez?
So, did Shumer, or anyone else, put Kavanaugh in a bullseye?
"You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You will not know what hit you..." ~ Chuck Schumer
I'd call that a rhetorical bullseye, wouldn't you?
"You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You will not know what hit you..." ~ Chuck Schumer
I'd call that a rhetorical bullseye, wouldn't you?
Looking at the polls, the Dobbs whirlwind has turned out to be more of a stiff breeze.
When your politicians express extreme contempt for those of us on the right, what do you expect? We’ve been told we’re all domestic terrorists, racist scum, straight white men are worthless, we’re bitter clinging to our guns and religion and you’re surprised we’re saying “f**k off” to the prez?
I will say that the Democrats would be more likely to attract voters like myself if they didn't continue to tell such big whoppers about firearms. And promise "we aren't out to take your guns" followed by "ban, ban, ban".
Nope...
I will say that the Democrats would be more likely to attract voters like myself if they didn't continue to tell such big whoppers about firearms. And promise "we aren't out to take your guns" followed by "ban, ban, ban".
Nope...
There’s that, too.
There’s that, too.
In my state, I'm a criminal if I put more than 10 of these little metal links together.
https://www.armynavysales.com/media/catalog/product/cache/83e5c3d1e768d3fcb2ca1f1899d49e7c/d/s/dsc_0951-compressor_3.jpg
iris lilies
11-3-22, 6:00pm
IL is promoting itself for abortion tourism in the Midwest. Both the IL gov and the Chicago mayor have spoken a lot publicly about this. Adding capacity to serve those from out of state has been specifically mentioned.
But it is true that the state of Illinois WILL see visitors from my state because my state does not allow abortion at all unless to save the health of the mother. St. Louis will be sending many people over to Fairview Heights IL.
frugal-one
11-3-22, 6:15pm
In my state, I'm a criminal if I put more than 10 of these little metal links together.
https://www.armynavysales.com/media/catalog/product/cache/83e5c3d1e768d3fcb2ca1f1899d49e7c/d/s/dsc_0951-compressor_3.jpg
In what scenario would you need to do so?
In my state, I'm a criminal if I put more than 10 of these little metal links together.
You'll probably be fine as long as you don't accessorize them.
littlebittybobby
11-3-22, 9:30pm
She has Capitol Police protection, not Secret Service, and what makes you think dude is a Republican and not just bat shit crazy?Prolly not only "bat shit crazy" but an "asshat", too. Yup.
Does the GOP currently have a platform? I went to the GOP national website, and there's a link there, but it only goes to the organization's business rules. There seems to be no trace of policy.
https://gop.com/about-our-party/
iris lilies
11-4-22, 8:45am
Does the GOP currently have a platform? I went to the GOP national website, and there's a link there, but it only goes to the organization's business rules. There seems to be no trace of policy.
https://gop.com/about-our-party/
I looked at it recently, say, within a couple of weeks. It was very very long. I’ll see if I can find it.
There was something on it, or a recent meeting of the GOP, that censored Liz Cheney.>:(
littlebittybobby
11-4-22, 9:23am
In what scenario would you need to do so? They're perfectly legal if you pierce your eyes and nose, and hang those metal pieces in/on them. Hope that helps you some. Thankk Mee.
iris lilies
11-4-22, 9:32am
Does the GOP currently have a platform? I went to the GOP national website, and there's a link there, but it only goes to the organization's business rules. There seems to be no trace of policy.
https://gop.com/about-our-party/
I get that same screen now, the platform has disappeared. That’s not a good thing for being a few days before the national election.
Prolly not only "bat shit crazy" but an "asshat", too. Yup.
I understand he’s a BSC Canadian who overstayed his visa by twenty years or so in a sanctuary city to enjoy the superior opportunities for violence and mind altering substances available there.
iris lilies
11-4-22, 9:47am
I understand he’s a BSC Canadian who overstayed his visa by twenty years or so in a sanctuary city to enjoy the superior opportunities for violence and mind altering substances available there.
It is really surprising how many “successful “people are Canadian here in these United States. Mr. Money Mustache himself is a refugee from Canada.
iris lilies
11-4-22, 9:50am
Does the GOP currently have a platform? I went to the GOP national website, and there's a link there, but it only goes to the organization's business rules. There seems to be no trace of policy.
https://gop.com/about-our-party/
Maybe we can blame the Russians?
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/06/1013545363/russians-tried-to-hack-republican-national-committee
Maybe we can blame the Russians?
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/06/1013545363/russians-tried-to-hack-republican-national-committee
That was over a year ago; we can probably let the Russians off the hook. ;)
It is really surprising how many “successful “people are Canadian here in these United States. Mr. Money Mustache himself is a refugee from Canada.
Also, one of my favorites--Ali Velshi.
iris lilies
11-4-22, 1:06pm
That was over a year ago; we can probably let the Russians off the hook. ;)
They were not successful THAT time.
I am kind of kidding here, mostly kidding. But you never know.
They were not successful THAT time.
I am kind of kidding here, mostly kidding. But you never know.
I think their propaganda and baroque rumor-mongering efforts are more effective, but I agree.
I get that same screen now, the platform has disappeared. That’s not a good thing for being a few days before the national election.
Right? I was just trying to do due diligence before voting.
Bother.
I think their propaganda and baroque rumor-mongering efforts are more effective, but I agree.
Yes. They are master manipulators. Look how they’ve rallied the world to their cause in Ukraine.
Yes. They are master manipulators. Look how they’ve rallied the world to their cause in Ukraine.
They do seem to be struggling. They must have stopped paying their Nigerian trolls, who have disappeared. Their QAnon followers, however, remain steadfast.
iris lilies
11-4-22, 8:01pm
Right? I was just trying to do due diligence before voting.
Bother.
Even more maddening, there is no “contact us “option on the GOP website. The national GOP website has no way to contact the webmaster.
So I wrote to chairman@gop.com telling them their website is down. I don’t know if that is a real address, but I risked it since that’s how my state GOP chairman’s email address is formatted.
I also wrote to my GOP party in Missouri to tell them to pass on a message to the national GOP.
It almost makes me want to not vote for the Republicans because they are technologically incompetent!
Strange, because I was able to access the GOP party platform, both the "short version" and then the whole platform.
https://gop.com/about-our-party/
After having read it, I'm still sure it's not a good fit for me.
But, at 92 pages, I'm not sure the Democratic Party platform is for me either, because I can't be bothered reading it.
https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/
iris lilies
11-4-22, 8:46pm
Edited.
I wonder if I need to clear cookies and try it again.
I cleared cookies, and this time it did lead me to a “contact us” function but I still can’t get the navy blue “learn more “ key to link to the platform. It links to the rules and resolutions.
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I cleared the cache several times, and tried different browsers, and am still just getting a like to the 48-page Party Rules, which say nothing about policy, just meeting procedures and business rules and such.
iris lilies
11-4-22, 9:17pm
I cleared the cache several times, and tried different browsers, and am still just getting a like to the 48-page Party Rules, which say nothing about policy, just meeting procedures and business rules and such.
Yes, That’s what I get.
Yes, That’s what I get.
That's what I get, too. I found this odd website by searching around, wondering if this has replaced the platform somehow:
https://www.republicanleader.gov/commitment/
But it's not a platform, and not what Catherine referenced, which I would really like to see, too.
Strange, because I was able to access the GOP party platform, both the "short version" and then the whole platform.
https://gop.com/about-our-party/
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That wasn’t a platform. It was just a few hollow platitudes.
That wasn’t a platform. It was just a few hollow platitudes.
Beyond the hollow platitudes, if you look hard enough you can find the 2016 party platform. I swear I read the 2020 one just yesterday.
Here's the link to the 2016 one. https://prod-static.gop.com/media/Resolution_Platform.pdf?_ga=2.198684975.1890440249 .1667572648-842756748.1667572648
At this point, it looks to me that the Tuesday vote will not so much be a referendum on democracy as a referendum on the Democrats.
The sad thing is how soon the 2024 campaign will commence thereafter.
iris lilies
11-5-22, 10:44am
At this point, it looks to me that the Tuesday vote will not so much be a referendum on democracy as a referendum on the Democrats.
The sad thing is how soon the 2024 campaign will commence thereafter.
I’m hoping the handlers for President Joe Biden see this as the time to gently ease the old guy out of his idea of running in 2024.But if we are left with Kamala, ugh. Double ugh.
Democrats, PLEASE step up to give us a viable candidate. Honestly, at this point and I hate to admit this but if it were Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump I’d vote for Hillary. This does not mean put up Hillary as a candidate. Her time has passed.
I’m hoping the handlers for President Joe Biden see this as the time to gently ease the old guy out of his idea of running in 2024.But if we are left with Kamala, ugh. Double ugh.
Democrats, PLEASE step up to give us a viable candidate. Honestly, at this point and I hate to admit this but if it were Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump I’d vote for Hillary. This does not mean pull up Hillary as a candidate. Her time has passed.
Iris, can you think of someone whom you see as a viable Democratic candidate, other than Biden or Harris?
catherine
11-5-22, 11:37am
I just looked online to see who the media sees as top contenders, here are some names
Roy Cooper. Frankly, I feel stupid, but I never heard of him
Cory Booker.
Gretchen Whitmer
Amy Klobuchar
Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Gavin Newsom
Pete Buttigieg
Kamala Harris
Joe
Beyond the hollow platitudes, if you look hard enough you can find the 2016 party platform. I swear I read the 2020 one just yesterday.
Here's the link to the 2016 one. https://prod-static.gop.com/media/Resolution_Platform.pdf?_ga=2.198684975.1890440249 .1667572648-842756748.1667572648
If I recall correctly they didn’t make a 2020 platform. They either just reused the 2016 one identically or they didn’t bother adopting a platform at all. In hindsight it’s obvious why. The only platform their party’s leader had in 2020 was to stay in office. Period. Regardless of the results of the election.
The closest thing they have to a platform today was a document put out a few months ago by Rick Scott and quickly disavowed by most Republican politicians because when they speak the truth about things like wanting to raise taxes on poor people and destroy the two most popular government programs of all time and take away women’s freedom it doesn’t tend to be a good way to win votes.
I like these three a lot:
Klobuchar
Sanders
Warren
Any of them would be great.
iris lilies
11-5-22, 12:08pm
I like these three a lot:
Klobuchar
Sanders
Warren
Any of them would be great.
Bernie Sanders is too damn old, it would be the same problem we have now. Sure, I would vote for a 70 year old Bernie but that shipped sailed.
It would be extremely painful for me to vote for Warren, but I would do it vs Trump. Klobucher, I suppose, I have not paid that much attention to her. Pete Buttigieg is likesble.
The Dems let their best candidate slip through their slimy fingertips, Tulsi Gabbard. I would have enthusiastically voted for her over several Republican ones.
Maybe now you'll get a chance to vote for Tulsi as a republican.
catherine
11-5-22, 12:27pm
Maybe now you'll get a chance to vote for Tulsi as a republican.
If Trump runs against her in the primaries, I would hope Tulsi would win, but unfortunately Trump has a lot of people mesmerized.
ETA: Seems Tulsi is in bed with the Trump camp... she's stumping for Kari Lake.
iris lilies
11-5-22, 12:38pm
Maybe now you'll get a chance to vote for Tulsi as a republican.
It would be good for Tulsi to join Andrew Yang’s 3rd party initiative.
If Trump runs against her in the primaries, I would hope Tulsi would win, but unfortunately Trump has a lot of people mesmerized.
ETA: Seems Tulsi is in bed with the Trump camp... she's stumping for Kari Lake.
She’s been campaigning for a number of Trumpier candidates. Even weirdos like Bolduc in New Hampshire, who I understand has been closing the gap in the polls. I’ve heard a couple of pundits say that if he squeaks through on election night that will be an early indicator of how well the GOP will do overall.
catherine
11-5-22, 12:43pm
Hmmm.... poking around and trying to learn more about my Vermont candidates before I vote, I learned more about the candidate that seems to have started being Independent but wound up on the Republican ticket.
Here's his story: https://rebirthdemocracy.com/liams-story-1
I like the idea that he's really a crossover candidate. He isn't a cartoon of the two sides. I have decided that I am going to go against the favored Democratic candidate for Congress and vote for this guy.
Does it mean I'm not playing the game strategically, because every vote for a Republican congressman is a vote for the GOP to take over the House? Yes.
ApatheticNoMore
11-5-22, 12:58pm
Cory Booker is ok but comes across as a weirdo (a benign weirdo but a weirdo nontheless), weirdos are ok with me, but don't sell well as Presidential candidates. Sanders is kind of too old, but I know that many people would support him even so as he is a fighter and has convictions and consistently fights for them. Warren would probably govern decently but her campaign went nowhere. Gavin Newsom is an ok governor (I'm under no illusion he is fantastic, but he's alright). He's extremely popular in California it seems (I think all the nonsense we have had to endure from Republicans including a nonsense recall has just boosted his popularity very high because he looks extremely good in comparison). But I don't know if Newsom's appeal plays elsewhere.
And more from LDAHL's hero senator. He doesn't believe people who have different opinions from his should have a right to participate in American life.
“The press is so unbelievably powerful and the left has infiltrated every institution of this country,” Johnson told Levin.
“They started with the college and university system. So they control college of education and journalism and law. And they’ve infiltrated every agency. They’ve infiltrated religions. They’ve infiltrated everything and now we’re seeing the results of that.”
“That’s why our nation is literally on a precipice. We’re at a hinge point in history,” Johnson declared.
“We have to win this election and we have to win many more because we’ve got to push them out of these institutions and return some normalcy, return the values that made this country great,”
I'll admit that Johnson got one thing right in all that. We're at a hinge point in history. And WI's voters can either vote out traitors who actively participated in a deadly attempt to overthrow the government or they can warmly and proudly embrace those traitors.
And more from LDAHL's hero senator. He doesn't believe people who have different opinions from his should have a right to participate in American life.
“The press is so unbelievably powerful and the left has infiltrated every institution of this country,” Johnson told Levin.
“They started with the college and university system. So they control college of education and journalism and law. And they’ve infiltrated every agency. They’ve infiltrated religions. They’ve infiltrated everything and now we’re seeing the results of that.”
“That’s why our nation is literally on a precipice. We’re at a hinge point in history,” Johnson declared.
“We have to win this election and we have to win many more because we’ve got to push them out of these institutions and return some normalcy, return the values that made this country great,”
I'll admit that Johnson got one thing right in all that. We're at a hinge point in history. And WI's voters can either vote out traitors who actively participated in a deadly attempt to overthrow the government or they can warmly and proudly embrace those traitors.
Not so much hero as best option available at this time. You would probably hate my ideal candidate much more.
As it is, it’s looking like you can look forward to a couple of years of joyful fulmination.
Tulsi Gabbard is a darling of the Russian press.
I do like that she's named after my favorite herb, though.
frugal-one
11-5-22, 1:52pm
At this point, it looks to me that the Tuesday vote will not so much be a referendum on democracy as a referendum on the Democrats.
The sad thing is how soon the 2024 campaign will commence thereafter.
After watching ron johnson say he will not necessarily believe the vote count (unless it is in his favor)…there is NO DOUBT this election will determine if we still have a democracy! There are many other “republicans” across the country spewing the same blasphemy. Their discussions about abortion and potential elimination of medicare/social security should make us ALL not even consider a republican for any office.
Disgusting too is that the ugly yellow moron is talking about trying to run again in 2024. Would this stop his multitude of lawsuits?
After watching ron johnson saying he will not necessarily believe the vote count (unless it is in his favor)…there is NO DOUBT this election will determine if we still have a democracy!
Major Democrats have questioned the legitimacy of every election they've lost since at least 2000 and Democracy survived. What makes you think Ron Johnson's opinion will change that?
frugal-one
11-5-22, 2:03pm
Hmmm.... poking around and trying to learn more about my Vermont candidates before I vote, I learned more about the candidate that seems to have started being Independent but wound up on the Republican ticket.
Here's his story: https://rebirthdemocracy.com/liams-story-1
I like the idea that he's really a crossover candidate. He isn't a cartoon of the two sides. I have decided that I am going to go against the favored Democratic candidate for Congress and vote for this guy.
Does it mean I'm not playing the game strategically, because every vote for a Republican congressman is a vote for the GOP to take over the House? Yes.
You don’t care if the republicans take over. For this election, I say do what it takes to keep them out of power. Your current lifestyle may depend on it.
frugal-one
11-5-22, 2:05pm
Bernie Sanders is too damn old, it would be the same problem we have now. Sure, I would vote for a 70 year old Bernie but that shipped sailed.
It would be extremely painful for me to vote for Warren, but I would do it vs Trump. Klobucher, I suppose, I have not paid that much attention to her. Pete Buttigieg is likesble.
The Dems let their best candidate slip through their slimy fingertips, Tulsi Gabbard. I would have enthusiastically voted for her over several Republican ones.
Agree. I like Buttigieg too.
You don’t care if the republicans take over. For this election, I say do what it takes to keep them out of power. Your current lifestyle may depend on it.
To be honest, all signs point to the Dem candidate being elected anyway, so I feel pretty safe in voting for someone who reflects my values, and neither party is doing that to my liking (although definitely I skew more Dem than GOP). If there is someone up-and-coming and a breath of fresh air, they deserve a chance. Otherwise, I tend to feel that it's the same circus, different monkeys.
frugal-one
11-5-22, 2:13pm
Major Democrats have questioned the legitimacy of every election they've lost since at least 2000 and Democracy survived. What makes you think Ron Johnson's opinion will change that?
Democrats did not attempt a coup. ron johnson tried to send fake electors …. that alone should tell YOU his character.
frugal-one
11-5-22, 2:14pm
To be honest, all signs point to the Dem candidate being elected anyway, so I feel pretty safe in voting for someone who reflects my values, and neither party is doing that to my liking (although definitely I skew more Dem than GOP). If there is someone up-and-coming and a breath of fresh air, they deserve a chance. Otherwise, I tend to feel that it's the same circus, different monkeys.
As they did for Hillary… look how that turned out.
iris lilies
11-5-22, 2:24pm
As they did for Hillary… look how that turned out.
Oh I agree the Democratic Party had better not be complacent especially if they run old tired Joe again.
Oh I agree the Democratic Party had better not be complacent especially if they run old tired Joe again.
I don't really see a serious Democratic Party candidate emerging from the crowd.
It's as if they are somehow running against an incumbent Trump. I can't believe they blew it this badly.
As they did for Hillary… look how that turned out.
Honestly, VT is mostly a blue state. I'm pretty confident the first woman, first openly gay Vermont Congressperson will be elected. I'll be happy if that happens. But I am so tired of strict party lines. I think those do more harm than good. That's why I like the "Republican" VT candidate. When I read his platform it almost perfectly aligns with mine. He is clearly "independent" in terms of his thinking. So I'm voting for him. Maybe it will be one small step to acknowledging candidates that think for themselves.
After watching ron johnson say he will not necessarily believe the vote count (unless it is in his favor)…there is NO DOUBT this election will determine if we still have a democracy!
Democrats did not attempt a coup. ron johnson tried to send fake electors …. that alone should tell YOU his character.
Oh, I can easily question the character of most politicians, I'm more interested in your claim that Democracy is at stake by one particular politician questioning election results.
littlebittybobby
11-5-22, 2:53pm
Okay---You kids have squabbled about this Dem Vs Pub thing long enough. It's timeta turn off the set, get your jammies on, say your prayers & gota bed. Thank Me.
frugal-one
11-5-22, 3:00pm
Honestly, VT is mostly a blue state. I'm pretty confident the first woman, first openly gay Vermont Congressperson will be elected. I'll be happy if that happens. But I am so tired of strict party lines. I think those do more harm than good. That's why I like the "Republican" VT candidate. When I read his platform it almost perfectly aligns with mine. He is clearly "independent" in terms of his thinking. So I'm voting for him. Maybe it will be one small step to acknowledging candidates that think for themselves.
Except later…. when all republicans vote on a matter the same way.
frugal-one
11-5-22, 3:05pm
Oh, I can easily question the character of most politicians, I'm more interested in your claim that Democracy is at stake by one particular politician questioning election results.
In my state….where it is close… one politician DOES make a difference. ron johnson symbolizes what is wrong with the current “republican” party… albeit he is the worse of the worse. BTW there are over 300 election deniers, as mentioned previously. Democracy is at stake because of them all. If you don’t believe in our election system all is lost.
In my state….where it is close… one politician DOES make a difference. ron johnson symbolizes what is wrong with the current “republican” party… albeit he is the worse of the worse. BTW there are over 300 election deniers, as mentioned previously. Democracy is at stake because of them all. If you don’t believe in our election system all is lost.
Given the millions Democrats have spent assisting some of those 300 in the primaries, how are we to take them seriously when they proclaim the end is nigh?
Who are the current top Republican intellectuals, political philosophers, and thoughtful commentators? Today's William Frank Buckley Jr. types?
(Being unable to locate a GOP platform on their own national web site, I'm digging deeper.)
iris lilies
11-5-22, 3:29pm
Given the millions Democrats have spent assisting some of those 300 in the primaries, how are we to take them seriously when they proclaim the end is nigh?
I have not once heard any of the Democratic apologists here talk about that issue. I have to conclude that, since they don’t openly support it, it must be a dirty deed they would rather push under the rug. But since I dont like ascribing opinions to people that they do not have, I am open to hearing about it from Democratic Party voters.
ApatheticNoMore
11-5-22, 4:17pm
The main Dem failing with Trump isn't that they aren't running a better candidate against him, it's that Trump should be behind bars. That's the failure. That he isn't sitting in a prison cell right now.
ApatheticNoMore
11-5-22, 4:30pm
I have not once heard any of the Democratic apologists here talk about that issue. I have to conclude that, since they don’t openly support it, it must be a dirty deed they would rather push under the rug. But since I dont like ascribing opinions to people that they do not have, I am open to hearing about it from Democratic Party voters.
Much of the time I'm not a registered Dem but a registered no party preference, which works in California which allows you to vote for whoever except in the Presidential primary (where it might be worth registering for a party - there are reasons to register for a party, but they are minimal in a jungle primary state - so take it or leave it, and I often deregister in disgust). So while I will gladly vote Dems to get Republicans out of office (but it usually doesn't matter here), I don't clutch my pearls that the Dem party is corrupt and a weak opposition party. I"m shocked, shocked I tell you! Nah, of course they are. And water is wet, and the Pope is Catholic. They are just better than the alternative.
The Dem party has no reason to listen to me since much of the time I'm not a Dem, but also they would have no reason to listen to me even if I was always a registered Dem. Because the parties are not member organizations accountable to their members. Them is the rules. But if I was a rich donor, well I'm not a rich donor. If you work deep within the internal party you can sometimes influence something, but I've never worked that deeply in it. Otherwise I suppose one could try writing sternly worded letters.
frugal-one
11-5-22, 4:56pm
Given the millions Democrats have spent assisting some of those 300 in the primaries, how are we to take them seriously when they proclaim the end is nigh?
You obviously are naïve.
frugal-one
11-5-22, 4:58pm
The main Dem failing with Trump isn't that they aren't running a better candidate against him, it's that Trump should be behind bars. That's the failure. That he isn't sitting in a prison cell right now.
No question about it!
frugal-one
11-5-22, 5:13pm
Much of the time I'm not a registered Dem but a registered no party preference, which works in California which allows you to vote for whoever except in the Presidential primary (where it might be worth registering for a party - there are reasons to register for a party, but they are minimal in a jungle primary state - so take it or leave it, and I often deregister in disgust). So while I will gladly vote Dems to get Republicans out of office (but it usually doesn't matter here), I don't clutch my pearls that the Dem party is corrupt and a weak opposition party. I"m shocked, shocked I tell you! Nah, of course they are. And water is wet, and the Pope is Catholic. They are just better than the alternative.
The Dem party has no reason to listen to me since much of the time I'm not a Dem, but also they would have no reason to listen to me even if I was always a registered Dem. Because the parties are not member organizations accountable to their members. Them is the rules. But if I was a rich donor, well I'm not a rich donor. If you work deep within the internal party you can sometimes influence something, but I've never worked that deeply in it. Otherwise I suppose one could try writing sternly worded letters.
Previously I have always considered myself an independent. Currently I am anti-republican….since I believe the “republican” party as we knew it is no more. Now it consists of mostly radical election deniers, Qanon and promoting violence (coup) and intimidation tactics (poll workers and sites), trumpers and unsavory groups (oath keepers etc). The hearings showed how low the party has gone. After seeing and hearing the evidence presented, it is unconscionable that ANYONE would vote for the traitors.
flowerseverywhere
11-5-22, 8:27pm
Here is a real genius in Wisconson, now facing felony charges and losing her job.
https://www.fox6now.com/news/milwaukee-election-commission-kimberly-zapata-charged-ballot-fraud
I decided to link to a fox news website so story would be believable to Republicans. on the WAPO website there were lots of comments from active military explaining why they would vote in a state when they were not physically present, especially Navy. Apparently some Wisconsin election officials want to ban mail in military ballots. Stupid fools.
Who are the current top Republican intellectuals, political philosophers, and thoughtful commentators? Today's William Frank Buckley Jr. types?
(Being unable to locate a GOP platform on their own national web site, I'm digging deeper.)
I think most of them would identify more as conservative than Republican, but some I consider worth reading or listening to would include:
Matthew Continetti
Thomas Sowell
Alexandra DeSanctis
Charles CW Cooke
Jonah Goldberg
David French
George Will
Michael Brendan Dougherty
Kevin Williamson
Jim Geraghty
Madeleine Kearns
Yuval Levin
Ramesh Ponnuru
Andrew McCarthy
The late Sir Roger Scruton
Democrats did not attempt a coup. ron johnson tried to send fake electors …. that alone should tell YOU his character.
People like Alan often point to Stacey abrams’ statements after she lost last time around in an effort to present a (false) equivalence. They ignore the substance of what she actually said because it would make their argument fall apart. (Hint her argument wasn’t (find me 11,800 votes).
You obviously are naïve.
Yes. I’m one of those doe-eyed innocents who can’t grasp how meddling in the opposing party’s primaries to assist people you insist are bent on destroying our democracy is the way to stop the people you insist are bent on destroying our democracy. A naïf like me might come to conclude that the meddlers don’t believe their own rhetoric.
People like Alan often point to Stacey abrams’ statements after she lost last time around in an effort to present a (false) equivalence. They ignore the substance of what she actually said because it would make their argument fall apart. (Hint her argument wasn’t (find me 11,800 votes).
Much like the Trump allegations, hers were rejected by the court as being without merit.
People like Alan ....Who are those people? Are you referring to the great unwashed, the basket of deplorables, the roaches voting for Raid, the evil opposition party who've made up the word inflation in order to scare the good folks? Or are they part of one of the other groups your favorite media outlets have created and told us about lately, while simultaneously providing you with talking points?
Personally, I think that if you're going to vilify election deniers, you should include all of them, that is if you'd like to be considered credible. Of course, you should feel free to think otherwise.
Oh, I can easily question the character of most politicians, I'm more interested in your claim that Democracy is at stake by one particular politician questioning election results.
Did you miss the fact that there are 291 asshole election deniers on the ballot this week? It wasn’t just sad sack trump. It was half of his ugly party. And now half the candidates from his party question election results without any basis other than ‘waaaa. I lost so it just be fraud.’
I think most of them would identify more as conservative than Republican, but some I consider worth reading or listening to would include:
Matthew Continetti
Thomas Sowell
Alexandra DeSanctis
Charles CW Cooke
Jonah Goldberg
David French
George Will
Michael Brendan Dougherty
Kevin Williamson
Jim Geraghty
Madeleine Kearns
Yuval Levin
Ramesh Ponnuru
Andrew McCarthy
The late Sir Roger Scruton
So, is there anyone on this list that has even the vaguest sway in the current republican party? Or is it just a masturbation list put together by some college young republican group 45 years ago?
frugal-one
11-6-22, 2:53am
Yes. I’m one of those doe-eyed innocents who can’t grasp how meddling in the opposing party’s primaries to assist people you insist are bent on destroying our democracy is the way to stop the people you insist are bent on destroying our democracy. A naïf like me might come to conclude that the meddlers don’t believe their own rhetoric.
goobledegook
Did you miss the fact that there are 291 asshole election deniers on the ballot this week? It wasn’t just sad sack trump. It was half of his ugly party. And now half the candidates from his party question election results without any basis other than ‘waaaa. I lost so it just be fraud.’
The morality of the election deniers is despicable and will be the over riding issue in my election choices for some time to come. It is not only dishonest, but a refusal to accept the constitutional democratic election process and the peaceful transfer of power. There are no recent Democrat activities that even come close to disrupting whatever form of democracy we think we have. And there can be no further trust for the same people not promoting or amplifying other false conspiracy theories in the future, for their own greed of power. And that's not to mention the hate and violence their inspired in their more radical followers.
Everything else is diminished by that and quibbling over details.
catherine
11-6-22, 10:14am
The morality of the election deniers is despicable and will be the over riding issue in my election choices for some time to come. It is not only dishonest, but a refusal to accept the constitutional democratic election process and the peaceful transfer of power. There are no recent Democrat activities that even come close to disrupting whatever form of democracy we think we have. And there can be no further trust for the same people not promoting or amplifying other false conspiracy theories in the future, for their own greed of power. And that's not to mention the hate and violence their inspired in their more radical followers.
Everything else is diminished by that and quibbling over details.
well said.
goobledegook
I’ll put it in simpler terms. If you cry wolf while at the same time feeding it tidbits, people will wonder how serious you are about the danger.
If you think supporting these dangerous people against more traditional Republican candidates is part of a brilliant game of five-dimensional chess, how stupid will it look if some of them win and publicly thank you for the help?
So, is there anyone on this list that has even the vaguest sway in the current republican party? Or is it just a masturbation list put together by some college young republican group 45 years ago?
Classy as always.
iris lilies
11-6-22, 11:24am
So, is there anyone on this list that has even the vaguest sway in the current republican party? Or is it just a masturbation list put together by some college young republican group 45 years ago?
One thing I like about this list, and it has a few names on it that I pay attention to, is that the ones I know and read or listen to are quite a bit younger than I am.
i’ve always liked Jonah Goldberg, but I’ve stepped away from reading anything of his in recent years. I tried his podcast and that is not good because he is not a speaker, he is a writer. Yet, I recently heard him on an interactive podcast and in that scenario he is good in presenting his ideas and arguments.
ApatheticNoMore
11-6-22, 11:44am
Yes. I’m one of those doe-eyed innocents who can’t grasp how meddling in the opposing party’s primaries to assist people you insist are bent on destroying our democracy is the way to stop the people you insist are bent on destroying our democracy. A naïf like me might come to conclude that the meddlers don’t believe their own rhetoric.
but basic logic would tend to conclude that whether or not the Dem party believes it's rhetoric has no bearing on whether it's rhetoric/arguments are true or not. They could be making 100% of the argument disingenuously and they could still be true statements. I mean I can see Trump and his movement as a problem, election denial as a problem, the increasing undemocratic electoral system as a problem AND Dems as a poor opposition party. Both can be true. So I'm not sure what point is even being made or what points one thinks one is scoring.
One thing I like about this list, and it has a few names on it that I pay attention to, is that the ones I know and read or listen to our quite a bit younger than I am.
i’ve always liked Jonah Goldberg, but I’ve stepped away from reading anything of his in recent years. I tried his podcast and that is not good because he is not a speaker, he is a writer. Yet, I recently heard him on an interactive podcast and in that scenario he is good in resenting his ideas and arguments.
I like him because I pretty much agree with his general political philosophy as an unreconstructed Reagan conservative. Suspicion of centralized government power. A belief that one’s best life should be pursued on an individual rather than a communal basis. Free speech absolutism. I suppose that’s why he calls his podcast “the remnant”.
iris lilies
11-6-22, 1:13pm
Here is a real genius in Wisconson, now facing felony charges and losing her job.
https://www.fox6now.com/news/milwaukee-election-commission-kimberly-zapata-charged-ballot-fraud
I decided to link to a fox news website so story would be believable to Republicans. on the WAPO website there were lots of comments from active military explaining why they would vote in a state when they were not physically present, especially Navy. Apparently some Wisconsin election officials want to ban mail in military ballots. Stupid fools.
I don’t know why you think this story would be unbelievable to Republicans or anyone else.
So, this election official thinks she is combating potential voter fraud by —committing voter fraud. Way to go election official! Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I do always wonder though how duplicate ballots are resolved in any jurisdiction, be it Milwaukee or Hermann, Missouri. I don’t mean necessarily military ballots but any paper ballots that are completed and then sent into the election office. For instance. I can go around to more than one precinct and cast more than one provisional ballot on voting day.
How do they reconcile those ballots and identify the one true one that represents my vote?
I’ve asked DH this since he has been an election judge, but he doesn’t know. He knows that they are allowed to accept provisional ballots on voting day but they send them off downtown to the election board.
littlebittybobby
11-6-22, 2:12pm
Okay----Hwere's what to do. Be pragmatic, and set on the fence till after the 'lection. Agree with the ideologues/ fanatics in the meantime. Think in terms of self-preservation, like any good norwegian. Yup.But yeah---in that littlebitty twown waaaay up north in the middle-o-nowhere where they have a non-profit theater to show Dizzny Moovees, what you do is get bumper stickers for BOTH candidates for sheriff & supervisor posts. Yup. But, don't put them on---wait till AFTER the results are in, then run out first thing & put the stickers of the winning candy dates on. May be your get-out-of-a tickkck card. Yup.
frugal-one
11-6-22, 3:43pm
I’ll put it in simpler terms. If you cry wolf while at the same time feeding it tidbits, people will wonder how serious you are about the danger.
If you think supporting these dangerous people against more traditional Republican candidates is part of a brilliant game of five-dimensional chess, how stupid will it look if some of them win and publicly thank you for the help?
As Rogar said…. there are none more dangerous than the republicans. If you think there are any traditional republicans left you are more naive than I thought.
iris lilies
11-6-22, 3:57pm
Hmmm.... poking around and trying to learn more about my Vermont candidates before I vote, I learned more about the candidate that seems to have started being Independent but wound up on the Republican ticket.
Here's his story: https://rebirthdemocracy.com/liams-story-1
I like the idea that he's really a crossover candidate. He isn't a cartoon of the two sides. I have decided that I am going to go against the favored Democratic candidate for Congress and vote for this guy.
Does it mean I'm not playing the game strategically, because every vote for a Republican congressman is a vote for the GOP to take over the House? Yes.
I’m not going to try to talk you out of that. ;)
iris lilies
11-6-22, 4:06pm
I cleared the cache several times, and tried different browsers, and am still just getting a like to the 48-page Party Rules, which say nothing about policy, just meeting procedures and business rules and such.
oh! Doh. I figured it out.
There is a 2016 party platform and that is the last platform created by the Republican party because they have to have their meeting every for four years to vote on a new platform. Covid stopped their convention in 2020 and and they were not able to convene to make a new platform.
The preamble to the 2016 platform talks about the cancellation of the 2020 convention.
The platform I read weeks ago when I looked up the official stance on abortion was that 2016 platform.
so, it is here:
https://prod-static.gop.com/media/Resolution_Platform.pdf?_ga=2.164699895.935081152. 1667764051-975665852.1667609369
oh! Doh. I figured it out.
There is a 2016 party platform and that is the last platform created by the Republican party because they have to have their meeting every for four years to vote on a new platform. Covid stopped their convention in 2020 and and they were not able to convene to make a new platform.
That gives me the warm fuzzies about their ability to govern...
As Rogar said…. there are none more dangerous than the republicans. If you think there are any traditional republicans left you are more naive than thought
There are plenty of traditional republicans left. We just don't tend to support the current GOP. There is really no place for us in today's politics.
frugal-one
11-6-22, 5:40pm
There are plenty of traditional republicans left. We just don't tend to support the current GOP. There is really no place for us in today's politics.
There it is!
You can still see a lot of them on MSNBC--Nicolle Wallace, Mona Charen, Michael Steele, Rick Wilson, Olivia Troye, and others. I don't always agree with them, but they are reasonable, honest-seeming people.
iris lilies
11-6-22, 6:07pm
There are plenty of traditional republicans left. We just don't tend to support the current GOP. There is really no place for us in today's politics.
So, join up with Andrew Yang’s effort. I think he’s focus on making all elections rank choice is good because it frees candidates from being lockstep in the party line.
Tulsi Gabbard talks about her time in Congress and how she wanted to deviate and did deviate several times and was not supported by her party.
So, join up with Andrew Yang’s effort. I think he’s focus on making all elections rank choice is good because it frees candidates from being lockstep in the party line.
Tulsi Gabbard talks about her time in Congress and how she wanted to deviate and did deviate several times and was not supported by her party.
I spent a fair amount of time the past two years getting ranked-choice voting on the ballot for this week's election for use in county elections. Fingers crossed.
The level of resistance from the GOP and Democrats was pretty fierce though. As if they like the current scheme much better...
As Rogar said…. there are none more dangerous than the republicans. If you think there are any traditional republicans left you are more naive than I thought.
Am I more naive than Chuck Schumer? His PAC spent a few million in New Hampshire supporting a “none more dangerous” candidate against one of those nonexistent traditional Republicans. Got his money’s worth too.
Classy as always.
As classy as supporting a coup participant for reelection? I doubt I'll ever be that 'classy'.
I'll take your decision not to actually answer my question as an admission that none of the ideas those folks have, whatever those ideas might be, has a snowball's chance in hell of becoming a serious republican platform issue to pursue. And I won't bother reading up on them since it's likely just a bunch of navel gazing that's not likely to see the light of day in my lifetime.
And now even one of those "reasonable" republicans Nikki Haley, former UN Ambassador, has suggested that we start deporting American citizens. The "charm" of the republican party just keeps growing.
iris lilies
11-7-22, 10:52pm
As classy as supporting a coup participant for reelection? I doubt I'll ever be that 'classy'.
I'll take your decision not to actually answer my question as an admission that none of the ideas those folks have, whatever those ideas might be, has a snowball's chance in hell of becoming a serious republican platform issue to pursue. And I won't bother reading up on them since it's likely just a bunch of navel gazing that's not likely to see the light of day in my lifetime.
Don’t be silly. Of course many reasonable Republicans support many policies laid out in the 2016 Republican party platform. It’s a 67 page document so there’s bound to be things to agree with As well as disagreeing with.
Don’t be silly. Of course many reasonable Republicans support many policies laid out in the 2016 Republican party platform. It’s a 67 page document so there’s bound to be things to agree with As well as disagreeing with.
The navel gazers ldahl referenced had their ideas in the now 6 year old, final, Republican platform? Which of their ideas?
Until the election denial is a thing of the past, the terms reasonable and republican are oxymorons. Even if they are not election deniers they've not condemned them. And if we do get past that, there's human caused global warming deniers, the second big lie.
There wasn't even a term "election deniers" in the common lexicon until 2020. I fear for the country when there is a charismatic rabble-rouser running amok bringing out the worst in its citizens.
As classy as supporting a coup participant for reelection? I doubt I'll ever be that 'classy'.
I'll take your decision not to actually answer my question as an admission that none of the ideas those folks have, whatever those ideas might be, has a snowball's chance in hell of becoming a serious republican platform issue to pursue. And I won't bother reading up on them since it's likely just a bunch of navel gazing that's not likely to see the light of day in my lifetime.
Well, I’m not sure I could give you a synopsis of a few hundred peoples’ intellectual and policy influences, no matter how sweetly you ask. But there is a piece on the CNN website where Kevin McCarthy outlines what his priorities will be when he becomes House Speaker. None of it should come as a surprise to anyone. Controlling the border, expanding energy production, possible some House hearings on Covid, Afghanistan, DOJ issues, etc., continued support to Ukraine and other such things. You’ll need to wait for specific bills to try and pick apart, but don’t worry. They’re coming.
Despite months of hard core lobbying in this thread and elsewhere, I voted my conscience today.
https://scontent.fluk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/312653263_1287226528763114_2743396285988125902_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=8fgSsPVsXyoAX-qgFPE&tn=o8lxsydBNXziJm-X&_nc_ht=scontent.fluk1-1.fna&oh=03_AdTvcK8MIoFbglxgFxvrw-3vmqRmB7Kt2D7oKFPXmXmcNw&oe=6392032E
iris lilies
11-8-22, 12:25pm
DH had unexpected surgery for appendicitis this morning. He had a small complication and so he will not be discharged today. He will not be able to vote! I will go in later today to vote though.
There wasn't even a term "election deniers" in the common lexicon until 2020. I fear for the country when there is a charismatic rabble-rouser running amok bringing out the worst in its citizens.
"Charismatic Republican" is an oxymoron of the first order.
iris lilies
11-8-22, 12:27pm
Until the election denial is a thing of the past, the terms reasonable and republican are oxymorons. Even if they are not election deniers they've not condemned them. And if we do get past that, there's human caused global warming deniers, the second big lie.
I actually think election denial is a credible priority to vote against. I don’t love election denial, believe me. But my top issue is abortion so I’ll be voting Democratic for those in my state who can change my state law. Blech.
catherine
11-8-22, 12:43pm
"Charismatic Republican" is an oxymoron of the first order.
haha!! Well, you've got one now.
flowerseverywhere
11-8-22, 12:53pm
I actually think election denial is a credible priority to vote against. I don’t love election denial, believe me. But my top issue is abortion so I’ll be voting Democratic for those in my state who can change my state law. Blech.
100% agree as an independent. There are about 400,000 kids in Foster care, several thousand kids who die of abuse and neglect. If you can’t take care of a child then don’t be forced to have one. Abortion and birth control should be readily available to save these unfortunate unloved and unwanted children from a life of misery. Because people are going to have sex, rape and incest occurs, and unwanted pregnancies will occur. Iris your reason for pro choice stance may be different, but my heart was breaking for the children.
Nice picture, Alan! DH and I will be going soon to town hall to cancel each other's votes out.
DH and I will be going soon to town hall to cancel each other's votes out.
Democracy in a nutshell.
"Charismatic Republican" is an oxymoron of the first order.
Tell that to Katie Hobbs.
Democracy in a nutshell.
Actually, it seems I'm voting for 3 Republicans in competitive races. The governor, Phil Scott is great. He has been a great leader in a split blue/red state, especially throughout COVID. I've already mentioned the Independent masquerading as a Republican for Congress, and then on my own little island, I'm voting for 1 Dem and 1 Rep for State Representatives.
iris lilies
11-8-22, 1:44pm
100% agree as an independent. There are about 400,000 kids in Foster care, several thousand kids who die of abuse and neglect. If you can’t take care of a child then don’t be forced to have one. Abortion and birth control should be readily available to save these unfortunate unloved and unwanted children from a life of misery. Because people are going to have sex, rape and incest occurs, and unwanted pregnancies will occur. Iris your reason for pro choice stance may be different, but my heart was breaking for the children.
The stats on foster kids are tossed around a lot. In my state, speaking only for my state because those are the stats I have access to, a very high percentage in foster care are not available for adoption. Those children are wanted by their parents and parents will not sever ties.
i would not make the logical leap from limited access to abortion = neglected children. So you are right, it is not my main reason to support abortion rights.
iris lilies
11-8-22, 1:45pm
Nice picture, Alan! DH and I will be going soon to town hall to cancel each other's votes out.
This is why I poisoned DH’s appendix, to triumph over his Missouri votes. It wasnt good enough for me to just cancel him. Evil me!:0!
frugal-one
11-8-22, 3:39pm
Actually, it seems I'm voting for 3 Republicans in competitive races. The governor, Phil Scott is great. He has been a great leader in a split blue/red state, especially throughout COVID. I've already mentioned the Independent masquerading as a Republican for Congress, and then on my own little island, I'm voting for 1 Dem and 1 Rep for State Representatives.
The title of this thread is why NOT to vote republican….It sucks to hear you are a turncoat.
In other times, it would not have mattered as much. If republicans win… don’t expect anyone to feel sorry for you. Medicare and social security are on the line….you may have to work forever?? Plus all the other reasons mentioned previously…..
The title of this thread is why NOT to vote republican….It sucks to hear you are a turncoat.
I should think that anyone who puts aside tribal animosity to vote for the person they deem to be the best person for the position is actually a model citizen. I also think it's insulting and rude for you to call names, I'd like to think we're better than that.
frugal-one
11-8-22, 4:09pm
I should think that anyone who puts aside tribal animosity to vote for the person they deem to be the best person for the position is actually a model citizen. I also think it's insulting and rude for you to call names, I'd like to think we're better than that.
That used to be the way to vote as has been discussed ad naseum. The republican party is no longer….also discussed. Look up the definition of turncoat. If the shoe fits….
Look up the definition of turncoat. If the shoe fits….
I know the definition of turncoat, I also know the definitions of several other words you might not like, that doesn't mean I should use them, even if they come in your size.
I should think that anyone who puts aside tribal animosity to vote for the person they deem to be the best person for the position is actually a model citizen. .
A difficulty I have observed in my region is that "the best person" rarely makes it to the ballot. Increasingly in this state we are getting chirpy party functionaries as candidates (from both major parties), clearly selected for their electability and not for any skill in or aptitude for governance.
I have some hopes that ranked choice voting will help some of the problems we are experiencing here locally. At present, the two main parties control our choices, and there's precious little "democracy" involved.
iris lilies
11-8-22, 4:53pm
I just got back from voting. I am in Republican country. A surprising number of Republican candidates on the ballot had no opposition. I was surprised by that.
Where are the Democrats? Of two statehouse positions I set out to deliberately vote Democratic for, only one had a contested race with Repub vs Dem. The other race had only a Republican on the ballot. I didn’t mark his name, but clearly he’s going to win.
I wonder what is up with that in Democratland? Things are so great in our Republican led statehouse that no one wants that to change? Gosh, who knew?
There were several other races as I said that put up only Republican candidates.
Iris, so sorry your husband had appendix problem and hoping he feels better very soon!
I just got back from voting. I am in Republican country. A surprising number of Republican candidates on the ballot had no opposition. I was surprised by that.
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Where are the Democrats?
We have the same issue, but reversed, here.
We used to have more competition on the ballot here, but some redistricting that happened years ago carefully set up "safe" seats for almost everyone, so there's rarely real competition. When there is an opposing candidate, that person generally is running on their own without much support from their Party - perhaps the Party knows it'd be a waste.
iris lilies
11-8-22, 5:13pm
We have the same issue, but reversed, here.
We used to have more competition on the ballot here, but some redistricting that happened years ago carefully set up "safe" seats for almost everyone, so there's rarely real competition. When there is an opposing candidate, that person generally is running on their own without much support from their Party - perhaps the Party knows it'd be a waste.
Wouldn’t think of calling you a liar bae, but I will gently suggest that you are likely just wrong about Democrats setting up “safe “seats.
If I’ve learned one thing from this forum it is that Republicans only do “gerrymandering. “ Whenever Democrats redraw voting districts it is ALWAYS a fair and balanced outcome.
Iris, hope the hubster gets well soon! I voted a week ago a mix of Repubs and Dems. We do mail-ins or ballot drop off here - so much easier than the old Texas way of standing in line at the funeral home polling place.
Iris, hope the hubster gets well soon! I voted a week ago a mix of Repubs and Dems. We do mail-ins or ballot drop off here - so much easier than the old Texas way of standing in line at the funeral home polling place.
I can't recall ever standing in long lines to vote. Today, my wife and I were in and out in under 5 minutes, that seems to be our norm.
The title of this thread is why NOT to vote republican….It sucks to hear you are a turncoat.
In other times, it would not have mattered as much. If republicans win… don’t expect anyone to feel sorry for you. Medicare and social security are on the line….you may have to work forever?? Plus all the other reasons mentioned previously…..
In the end it seems like they all vote the party line regardless of how practical or outrageous they may seem, or which side they come from. That's where the money comes from to get them elected. I suppose some have influential committee posts where they may steer things, and Cheney and Manchin type exceptions. And maybe someday far off the minority of them could have enough of a voice to affect changes in the party platform. It doesn't seem like it's always been that way and at the local level less so.
iris lilies
11-8-22, 5:45pm
I can't recall ever standing in long lines to vote. Today, my wife and I were in and out in under 5 minutes, that seems to be our norm.
The only time I’ve stood in line is when the Christmas and Easter voters come to vote, that would be every four years for a Presidential election.
I didn’t miss an election for the first 32 years I lived here. Then I missed a couple of minor elections because… I just didn’t want to bother with it. I was either in Hermann or getting ready to go to Hermann or something.
iris lilies
11-8-22, 5:48pm
In the end it seems like they all vote the party line regardless of how practical or outrageous they may seem, or which side they come from. That's where the money comes from to get them elected. I suppose some have influential committee posts where they may steer things, and Cheney and Manchin type exceptions. And maybe someday far off the minority of them could have enough of a voice to affect changes in the party platform. It doesn't seem like it's always been that way and at the local level less so.
I agree, they all glom together to vote with their party on most issues. Some years ago I decided I didn’t really care about the “ positions” Candidates have since they are going to adopt their party’s position anyway.
I do like some politicians for the way they describe why they’re voting the way they vote, and how they describe what the country should be doing.
You know, you can change that party line voting. Work towards a system that doesn’t favor two strong parties. You can be the change you wish to see!
I can't recall ever standing in long lines to vote. Today, my wife and I were in and out in under 5 minutes, that seems to be our norm.
When I voted yesterday, it took only a moment, but there was an armed person at the ballot box with me the whole time!
https://i.imgur.com/19ZWqjO.png
I can't recall ever standing in long lines to vote. Today, my wife and I were in and out in under 5 minutes, that seems to be our norm.
When I voted in person, there were rarely more than a few people in line ahead of me. But I've never lived in a poor or targeted area. It's not hard to find video reports of voters forced to wait for hours in voting lines because Republicans have closed many traditional polling places, which is a national disgrace.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-locations-idUSKCN1VV09J
From the article: "The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights found www.democracydiverted.org that states with a history of racial discrimination have shuttered hundreds of voting locations since the court ruled that they did not need federal approval to change their laws. The report did not have comparisons with polling places in other regions.
The report comes as Republican-led states impose a range of other restrictions, from shorter voting hours to photo-ID requirements. As turnout has surged in recent elections, voters in cities like Phoenix, Arizona and Atlanta, Georgia, have endured hours-long waits to cast their ballots."
The report comes as Republican-led states impose a range of other restrictions, from shorter voting hours to photo-ID requirements. As turnout has surged in recent elections, voters in cities like Phoenix, Arizona and Atlanta, Georgia, have endured hours-long waits to cast their ballots."
In my state, polling places and their locations are the responsibility of the city or county in which voting takes place. Are Republicans in charge of polling stations in Phoenix and Atlanta?
Also, when it says that Republican led states are imposing restrictions, does that mean they want to roll back Covid related relaxations or something else? The quotations above seem to be lacking context in favor of a narrative.
Teacher Terry
11-8-22, 7:38pm
Things would be better if people voted for the best candidates and not a party. I have voted for republicans. We have had some very good republican governors here.
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