Ha, that's like saying many pro-choice people are being manipulated by Planned Parenthood and condom manufacturers. Do you really think that if you adopt some of these bans and they end up as failures, which they inevitably will, that the response will be to return to where we are now or will it be to try additional restrictions? And if those don't work? Classic slippery slope.Originally Posted by The Storyteller
FHS (for heavens sakes)! "Mental health this", "mental health that", "he had mental health issues", she had mental health issues", "they had mental health problems". Rubbish! Mental health, even in those who are sane, isn't guaranteed as of tomorrow. Mental health, like everything else (human related), is (genetically) predispositioned to fail, so stop isolating (one contributing factor out of countless others) in your quest to disguise the murderous rampages and shootings that plague the US.
Why even argue about how to address the mental health aspects of dealing with a case like this. His mom was receiving an alimony of some 24k *A MONTH* (or such is what I read, though yea it sounds unbelievable, really a month? not a year?). Let that sink in. 24k a month. And how that kind of money has nothing whatsoever to do with how life is experienced for most people. Half the country probably lives on that a year, then consider all the rest that live on that every 6 months (earn 48k a year) or every 4 etc. etc.. They didn't have money for shrinks or meds or whatever? (actually he was on meds, cue Jane)
But anyway unless they had some major hidden expense, no way, they have money for any mental health they would like to try. They have money coming out of their tiolet pretty much, with that kind of income, and yes I realized it is probably pretty well taxed, but nontheless. The only mental health argument to be made in a case like this is involuntary confinement, and that's ugly, sure you want to go down *that* particular road?
I mean sure one can argue that many people can not afford adequate mental health in this country, and so on, and I'm sure it's true, but that doesn't apply to these folks. That income probably literally puts them in the 1% (although of course that's not actually what occupy means by the phrase, they actually mean more the .1% - they mean money that becomes power in this society).
Trees don't grow on money
Well, for anyone who actually cares about solutions that might work, this is an important issue. Step out of your delirious fantasy world about wild west mobs roaming the streets in vigilante gun battles, it's not reality. And no matter how much you squawk and shriek, they are not going to ban guns in the US, that's not reality either. And anything short of a total ban, which isn't going to happen, is going to leave us exactly where we are today. So if you actually care, get with reality and let's see what might have a chance of reducing the number of these inidents.
Yossarian, you well *know* this is about the culture war, not about any concern over effective policy. You can see it in the breathless descriptions of the character of gunowners in these recent (and previous) threads, and the total inattention to data or critical thinking.
As you point out they had money and by all indications the parents were attentive. But if you are looking for things that have changed over the years, the way we treat the mentally ill is one of them. If you are willing to infringe the Constitutional rights of people who have done nothing wrong and not indicated any inclination to do wrong, should you not also look at the rights of those who do show risk factors? And if not, then maybe you are admitting that this is the price for living in a free society?
The bbc are reporting another shooting in new york state. Four firefighters lured to a house fire and fired on by a gunman. Some deaths reported.
+ about 1,000 Rob
Will data or critical thinking bring back any of the deceased children in Connecticut? The few folks who died recently in PA or in the Clackamas Town Center shooting in Portland, OR? NO? Then maybe you can understand some of why others react the way they do to this issue.....As I have stated before, when I was ten I saw my father pull a gun on my mother in a drunken rage (luckily he didn't pull the trigger) - I am wondering if you had had such an experience, might you see the whole issue differently? Beyond any kind of critical thinking or data? Rob
Another senseless tragedy and what a horrible time of the year for it to happen.....I am jealous of your citizenship today Ishbel, I truly am.....Rob
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