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    Here is the best summation of this case that I've read:

    "The choice was Stand Your Ground or Stand for Justice


    Yesterday Rick asked on his FB page whether George Zimmerman would be found innocent or guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin. I wrote “not guilty". As an individual who has served on two King County Superior Court juries involving criminal charges the law, the facts, and the beyond a reasonable doubt standard weigh heavily upon a juror. In both cases the jurors probably felt a crime was committed. But in both cases we found the defendant not guilty.


    The facts in the Zimmerman prosecution are not in dispute. An armed adult racially profiled and stalked an unarmed black teenager. A shoving or wrestling match ensued. Zimmerman used his weapon. Martin was shot and he died.


    In the Zimmerman trial the prosecutors presented a rather weak case with respect to the original charge. The acknowledgement of the weakness of their case was made when they argued that Zimmerman could be convicted of manslaughter instead of murder. It is quite likely that this change affected the jury deliberations.


    I am not angry with the jurors, judge, or defense counsel. My antipathy is directed at poorly prepared prosecutors, the legislators who supported the “Stand Your Ground” legislation, and a governor who signed it into law. But it is the law in Florida.


    Zimmerman is not a hero and Trayvon Martin was not an angel. But both were entitled to the protections provided by the law. We were seeking justice. But our system of laws, the facts, and the constitution prevailed. The great tragedy is that justice remained elusive."

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    Quote Originally Posted by redfox View Post
    The facts in the Zimmerman prosecution are not in dispute. An armed adult racially profiled and stalked an unarmed black teenager.
    The facts are not in dispute but that summary is wrong, and what a horrible racist summary it is. GZ mentors black kids, has black friends, and is liked by his black neighbors. He even had a black prom date. He never used racial terms except when asked by the dispatcher to describe TM. If he did profile he did a damn good job given TM was basically a thug on suspension for theft. The only people with an apparent racial motive are the media whores who selectively edit transcripts and cowardly public officials who make allegations without evidence. You'd have to be one of peggy's mouth breathing low information viewers to be taken in by this nonsense, yet the crap continues.

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    I concur with Yossarian's assessment of that "summation".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    You'd have to be one of peggy's mouth breathing low information viewers to be taken in by this nonsense, yet the crap continues.
    Wow. Time for me to get out of this hostile place.

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    Yossarian, I think you could still get your viewpoints across without name-calling. And people might listen to them more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CathyA View Post
    Yossarian, I think you could still get your viewpoints across without name-calling. And people might listen to them more.
    If you want to be a racist don't get offended when people call you on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodeosweetheart View Post
    Spartana, why in the world could 6 women not deliver an impartial jury decision? (Although they might tend to side with Zimmerman, given the size difference in the two men and the physical evidence of the broken nose and the bashed in head.
    I do think they can be impartial - I think anyone can be. However I wouldn't consider 6 females who may all be mothers - and perhaps more sympathtic TM's mother for the loss of her son and less sympathic tto a man carrying a gun (stereotypying I know) - to be GZ peers any more then I would consider 6 black people to be - at least not for this case. Having some males on the jury may have been a better representation. But I agree with the outcome as I didn't think there was enough evidence for a conviction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    The facts are not in dispute but that summary is wrong, and what a horrible racist summary it is. GZ mentors black kids, has black friends, and is liked by his black neighbors. He even had a black prom date. He never used racial terms except when asked by the dispatcher to describe TM. If he did profile he did a damn good job given TM was basically a thug on suspension for theft. The only people with an apparent racial motive are the media whores who selectively edit transcripts and cowardly public officials who make allegations without evidence. You'd have to be one of peggy's mouth breathing low information viewers to be taken in by this nonsense, yet the crap continues.
    You are a mouth breathing assh**e and I suspect you will be getting a warning e-mail from the moderators soon. You are evil and despicable. Right Alan? Or is that only for those who disagree with you?

    The thug got off. As many thugs get off every day in this country. Doesn't make him any less of a thug, and a coward bully.

    FYI- if you start a fist fight, be sure to bring your gun if to your surprise you start losing that fist fight. That'll do it. If you, the coward bully, find that someone doesn't actually cower to your bullying, then shoot them. Florida will find you innocent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    I concur with Yossarian's assessment of that "summation".
    Then you are evil and despicable too.
    Shame on you.

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    Kumbaya.

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