Quote Originally Posted by creaker View Post
I guess that would depend on what "initiated" means - is the threat of imminent violence violence in itself? Is it as simple as saying "I have a gun and I'll use it"? Is pointing a gun or cocking a fist initiating violence?

Based on what I heard, I think something like this happened. Zimmerman threatened in some way, Martin got the upper hand physically, and then Zimmerman shot Martin.
Personally, I have come to think that Martin initiated the violence. But like all of us, I am just going on what I read and on what physical evidence we are privvy to. For example, the police found his earbuds in his pocket, and he had been on the phone for 1 1/2 hour straight. I think he put them away in preparation for jumping Zimmerman. If Zimmerman came at him, he would not have had time to put them in his pocket.

Spartana, why in the world could 6 women not deliver an impartial jury decision? (Although they might tend to side with Zimmerman, given the size difference in the two men and the physical evidence of the broken nose and the bashed in head.