From what I understand, engineers can't find work these days either as this is getting offshored now, too. Also I did not get an early start in making excuses - I luckily got an early start in questioning everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, and had an early start in seeing through things with no loyalty whatsoever. I'm probably the worst kind of citizen America could have, worse than even a terrorist - I ask the hard questions and spare no person or institution. Rob