My experience with ObamaCare thus far.....

[Yossarian]

I was twelve when I understood about social classes and the basics of how they work in America. No one had to tell me anything - growing up poor yet being somewhat intelligent I was able to figure this out on my own. I bet you never ran across another 13 year old who would spend time at the library - this was in the days before the Internet - spending hours doing research comparison shopping their citizenship against other countries. But yes, I was thirteen when I started doing this. This is not a function of intelligence, just a function of seeing things with no loyalty and being able to cut through all the BS to what's at the core. Unfortunately in some ways I have been cursed with this ability, it's not the most pleasant thing to have, trust me on this. Rob

Yep, it's just The Man keeping you down. If you told me you studied hard, got a scholarship to college, majored in electrical engineering with honors and no one would hire you because you grew up in the wrong neighborhood I could maybe see your point. Getting an early start in making excuses isn't as persuasive.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Yep, it's just The Man keeping you down. If you told me you studied hard, got a scholarship to college, majored in electrical engineering with honors and no one would hire you because you grew up in the wrong neighborhood I could maybe see your point. Getting an early start in making excuses isn't as persuasive.

From what I understand, engineers can't find work these days either as this is getting offshored now, too. Also I did not get an early start in making excuses - I luckily got an early start in questioning everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, and had an early start in seeing through things with no loyalty whatsoever. I'm probably the worst kind of citizen America could have, worse than even a terrorist - I ask the hard questions and spare no person or institution. Rob

[try2bfrugal]

Especially when you are a commodities economy in a commodities boom. The margin of error on these things is huge, particularly when you add self reported subjective factors. You are kidding yourself if you think they prove any thing.

I think the thing to keep in mind is that some form of universal health care is the norm in almost all developed countries, and not some sure to fail social experiment leads will lead us all down a path of hell fire, misery, evilness and economic collapse.

No one else is moving to the failed model of health care in the U.S. We're finally starting to catch up to the rest of the developed world by moving towards affordable health care for all.

[Yossarian]

I think the thing to keep in mind is that some form of universal health care is the norm in almost all developed countries, and not some sure to fail social experiment leads will lead us all down a path of hell fire, misery, evilness and economic collapse.

No one else is moving to the failed model of health care in the U.S. We're finally starting to catch up to the rest of the developed world by moving towards affordable health care for all.

I don't know what your goal is here. I'll repeat it AGAIN- I'm on record supporting universal single payer. I don't know why you can't take yes for an answer. If you feel you need to argue that you need to direct your points to someone else.

[Yossarian]

I ask the hard questions and spare no person or institution.

Great. What was your answer when you asked yourself why you ended up being a middle aged man doing transient menial labor? What was your career or occupational training that proved so fruitless and how did you isolate class as the objective cause of your economic under achievement.

[try2bfrugal]

Great. What was your answer when you asked yourself why you ended up being a middle aged man doing transient menial labor? What was your career or occupational training that proved so fruitless and how did you isolate class as the objective cause of your economic under achievement.

I don't know what your point is in being a bully. Not cool.

[Yossarian]

I don't know what your point is in being a bully. Not cool.

I don't know what your point is acting like Rob is a little kid or an idiot. He's done a good job of explaining his current economic situation. He has not done a good job of explaining why it's someone else's fault. He's a big boy, by his own admission he likes to deal with the hard questions. So there's one on the table. Just because he works as a waiter doesn't mean he needs some smarty pants sheltering him. Give him some credit, we don't need the prejudice of low expectations seeping in here.

[gimmethesimplelife]

I think the thing to keep in mind is that some form of universal health care is the norm in almost all developed countries, and not some sure to fail social experiment leads will lead us all down a path of hell fire, misery, evilness and economic collapse.

No one else is moving to the failed model of health care in the U.S. We're finally starting to catch up to the rest of the developed world by moving towards affordable health care for all.

And it's long, long, long overdue too! Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

I don't know what your point is in being a bully. Not cool.

Thanks! I thought that last statement of Yossarian's crossed the line, too. I think I'll just back off now so it does not escalate. It would not be cool for me as a moderator to participate in escalation. And I don't think to continue on this way is going to shed any light on this topic, which was my experiences with signing up on the health exchange in Arizona. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

Back to the topic if I may - today I once again tried twice to sign up on the health exchange in Arizona. Arizona is one of the states that has opted to expand Medicaid but also opted to let the Feds do the exchange. So far I am not able to get onto the exchange as there seem to be too many people all wanting to sign up at once - can you blame them? I am just going to be patient and one of these days I will be able to get through. I think I read that if you are signed up by 12/15, coverage is supposed to begin next January 1st. I will post more as I have more experiences with the exchange and anyone else is welcome of course to post their experiences, too. Rob