Good news Obamacare gets even better!

[gimmethesimplelife]

And yet you have no guilt when you shop in Mexico and take advantage of their wonderful prices and service, which are built atop the blood of tortured and oppressed people.

http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013...hapters/mexico

To which I say, is 100% of what you buy made in the USA, and if so, how do you pull that off with so many American manufacturing jobs being offshored by American corporations to countries with lower wages and lower costs? I'm all ears, Bae. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

It's not the law in my state, it is perfectly possible to own a car here, not register it, and not insure it. It's not the law in most states I suspect.

Now, if you intend to primarily drive or park on public roads, and don't fall into one of the many exempt use categories, you of course are required to register and have insurance.

Not all the US is suburbia/urban, not all vehicles are used on public roads.

There are whole communities in my county where vehicles are not registered or insured, and yet are driven on the roads in those communities.

Ummmm.....I don't live in Washington state so I'm not 100% here, I'll give you that. But get pulled over in Washington state and not have proof of insurance for the cop that pulls you over.....me thinks you won't like the consequences, Bae. Rob

[ApatheticNoMore]

It seems to me if you are an American probably taking some advantage of the U.S. exchange rate (to the Mexican peso), as opposed to a Mexican who earns pesos, then that priviledge is built on top of the blood of a tortured and oppressed people to some degree. Because I think U.S. dollar exchange rates are to some degree built on U.S. empire and hegemony etc.. Do I blame anyone for exchanging dollars for pesos? No, that by itself doesn't directly *support* much of *anything*.

[bae]

Ummmm.....I don't live in Washington state so I'm not 100% here, I'll give you that. But get pulled over in Washington state and not have proof of insurance for the cop that pulls you over.....me thinks you won't like the consequences, Bae. Rob

Methinks you didn't read the words in my post, Rob.

[bae]

To which I say, is 100% of what you buy made in the USA, and if so, how do you pull that off with so many American manufacturing jobs being offshored by American corporations to countries with lower wages and lower costs? I'm all ears, Bae. Rob

I buy products made in my *county* as much as possible, as I don't even like participating in most USA producers' ethics, and unlike you, I don't travel to the countries doing the oppressing and directly do business with them *by choice*.

So there's perhaps a difference there.

Rob: "Yes, but... #39807".

[gimmethesimplelife]

I buy products made in my *county* as much as possible, as I don't even like participating in most USA producers' ethics, and unlike you, I don't travel to the countries doing the oppressing and directly do business with them *by choice*.

So there's perhaps a difference there.

Rob: "Yes, but... #39807".

? #39807? Color me confused. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

Methinks you didn't read the words in my post, Rob.

This county you live in, Bae, it is legally in Washington state, no? Would not Washington state laws apply there? Rob

I reread your post BTW and I'm no legal expert but I still would think, get pulled over on one of these roads you mention without insurance and you won't like the consequences.....even if you are right. Sounds like a major legal battle just waiting to happen if such an exemption as you claim does exist.

[gimmethesimplelife]

I buy products made in my *county* as much as possible, as I don't even like participating in most USA producers' ethics, and unlike you, I don't travel to the countries doing the oppressing and directly do business with them *by choice*.

So there's perhaps a difference there.

Rob: "Yes, but... #39807".

As far as health care goes, the country you believe in so much has not given me much choice BUT to go to Mexico until recently. Simple economics. I had no choice. I do hear what you are saying here Bae, and it's not without merit in my book BUT one needs to have the money or insurance to live that way/make those kinds of choices. Truly I had no choice - something else to lay at America's feet. Would you rather I went without needed health care than go to Mexico? Rob

[bae]

This county you live in, Bae, it is legally in Washington state, no? Would not Washington state laws apply there? Rob

Indeed, it is in Washington State. And Washington State laws apply here. And the Revised Code of Washington provides for vehicles to be owned and operated without being either registered or insured.

[Alan]

Alan, Alan, Alan...sigh..If you own and use a car, you HAVE to have insurance. It's the law. It is, in fact, required. It's the first thing a cop will ask for if he/she stops you for ANYTHING. If you don't have insurance, you can't drive a car. Period.
Do you own a body? Do you use it? CAn it break down on the street/at work/at home/in the shower? Yes, yes, and yes. I suppose we could insist that people without health insurance should just stay in bed with the covers pulled up to their chins, but even there they could suffer a heart attack. By simply breathing they are 'driving' their bodies.Do you know what the average heart attack costs? We are in the hundreds of thousands range here pretty quickly.
Are your car repairs going to cost you 100's of thousands of dollars? No. Is your body repair going to cost you 100's of thousands of dollars. Very easily, unfortunately.

Let me ask you this? For all the deadbeats who don't want to buy insurance, or for those who want to continue with their junk insurance that doesn't really cover anything, who will pay? Who will pay that $200,000 for their heart attack? Who do you think should pick up that bill?
Who should pay for the poor kids ear infection? Or should he just stay home and suffer? I'm asking you because I really want to know who you think should pay?
Do you think we shouldn't have a car insurance requirement? Do you think mortgage companies shouldn't be allowed to require home insurance?

Or maybe we should have universal health care, cut out the insurance companies altogether, since your problem seems to be asking people to buy insurance.

Peggy, Peggy, Peggy....sigh..I think we've gotten off into the weeds from the original path which dealt with liberty. In an effort to get it back on-track, let me again point out that I have the choice of whether or not I drive a car or use it on public roads. If I choose not to, there is no punitive tax associated with my choice. Under the ACA I do not have a choice to forego the purchase of a specific commercial product, nor do I have the choice to tailor that commercial product to suit my needs without bearing the brunt of a punitive tax, levied by the federal government. Under that scheme, I no longer have the freedom of choice, association or conscience for my own healthcare needs, nor would I have under any form of universal healthcare as the government has decided what I want, what I need, what I must have, and what I must pay for it. That is the opposite of liberty.