Trumps: White Angry Middleclass

[gimmethesimplelife]

Whenever they say it's not about the money, it is. You exploited cost differences between two markets and "laughed all the way to the credit union". Any profit-maximizing corporation would do the same. You don't need to dress up the decision with aggrieved rhetoric about the horror of life in America.

It is about the money in the sense that I can't afford the copays and deductibles in the US. Morally, ethically and yes financially I have no choice but to cross the border. At one point in my life I resented being forced to cross the border for health care as I understood that in America I didn't make the grade....that health care was not a right like in any other first world country, and that America deemed me not worth health care. Now I'm so disengaged from this country that if I'm not on Medicaid, I'm afraid to access US health care even if I could afford it. I deserve much better. Thankfully much better is not hard to find in Mexico and thankfully I'm only three hours away from the border. Rob

[Alan]

It is about the money in the sense that I can't afford the copays and deductibles in the US. Morally, ethically and yes financially I have no choice but to cross the border. At one point in my life I resented being forced to cross the border for health care as I understood that in America I didn't make the grade....that health care was not a right like in any other first world country, and that America deemed me not worth health care. Now I'm so disengaged from this country that if I'm not on Medicaid, I'm afraid to access US health care even if I could afford it. I deserve much better. Thankfully much better is not hard to find in Mexico and thankfully I'm only three hours away from the border. Rob

You keep referring to that word, 'right'. As Inigo Montoya might say, "I don't think it means what you think it means."

You use it to refer to an obligation you wish the government to impose on individuals to benefit you, that is not a 'right'.

[frugal-one]

Rob, I understand your frustration about the high cost of first world medical care, where I have a problem relating is the fact that you've spent the last several years receiving 'free' medical care, provided by the citizens of Arizona and the rest of the United States and now those same people are subsidizing your more conventional insurance to make it affordable for you.

You have nearly 3000 posts on these forums and I would guess at least half of those, although probably more, regard your displeasure with this country and your desire to receive more of what you've already enjoyed these past few years. Something tells me that the only way you'll ever achieve peace is to either accept the fact that your country is taking care of you and be grateful for it, or if that is asking too much, relocating to another country might be your only other option. It would do you good to make a choice.

Take this post to heart, Rob. We are all sick of your b******g!

[iris lilies]

It is about the money in the sense that I can't afford the copays and deductibles in the US. Morally, ethically and yes financially I have no choice but to cross the border. At one point in my life I resented being forced to cross the border for health care as I understood that in America I didn't make the grade....that health care was not a right like in any other first world country, and that America deemed me not worth health care. Now I'm so disengaged from this country that if I'm not on Medicaid, I'm afraid to access US health care even if I could afford it. I deserve much better. Thankfully much better is not hard to find in Mexico and thankfully I'm only three hours away from the border. Rob

Gosh I have really had to remind a lot of people lately that those deductibles were determined by Nanny G t be affordable by you. It is the Presidents program, and he says you can afford them.

Just like when President Sanders pushes through universal health care by uncnstitutonal regulation (because Congress wont vote cor it) and our taxes go up but we will get so much more and we will be able to afford it.

[JaneV2.0]

Federal taxes have been dropped and dropped again over the years; I'd say they should be returned to an effective level. Maybe pre-Reagan level.

[Teacher Terry]

Totally agree Jane. Here our schools are lacking funds and people won't vote for more taxes for the kids. But they made a state amendment in 2008 to keep property taxes low so retirees won't be taxed out of their homes. It sounds good in theory but we own a home valued at 250k yet our yearly property taxes are only 700/year.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Take this post to heart, Rob. We are all sick of your b******g!

Mmmmm.....fair enough. Then why don't we as a society have the courage to look at the legitimate reasons for this b******g? Instead of forcing our citizens to offshore their health care at economic gun point? Rob

[JaneV2.0]

Take this post to heart, Rob. We are all sick of your b******g!

What's this, the royal we? Speak for yourself.
A lot of people here have their particular hobby horses; use your ignore feature.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Gosh I have really had to remind a lot of people lately that those deductibles were determined by Nanny G t be affordable by you. It is the Presidents program, and he says you can afford them.

Just like when President Sanders pushes through universal health care by uncnstitutonal regulation (because Congress wont vote cor it) and our taxes go up but we will get so much more and we will be able to afford it.

OK IL....Ding! You win. You have a point here. The deductibles and Co pays are not affordable and we were indeed told they would be. Solutions? Medical tourism or immigrating out.....can you come up with anything else that minimizes vulnerability to American health care any better? Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

[QUOTE=JaneV2.0;242803]What's this, the royal we? Speak for yourself.
A lot of people here have their particular hobby horses; use your ignore feature.[/QUOTE. Access to affordable health care I'm sure you have all seen is rather a big deal to me. I agree with your comment Jane and I Thank You. Rob