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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    People waving Mexican flags appear to be violent. I guess they think We need socialism so we don't have to put up with free speech. Capitalism is a crime.....but they didn't say what the punishment is. I guess we find out later.

    "hatred, racism and violence" is universal. The left is very good at it also.

    And the police, who can blame them, if they take action they lose their jobs and get arrested too.

    Dont worry, Philadelphia will have its share of mayhem. The white middleclass doesn't have a job to go to that they care about, they will have plenty of time to devote to riot, mischief and general rebellion.

    I will have to say, that was a pretty wimpy display of riot and violence. We can do better.
    I clicked on the link and read about the goings on with the Trump protestor's in San Jose. Two things come to mind. One, I don't approve of violence. Two, with the income inequality issue being what it is in America, why would anyone be surprised that such behavior is going to take place? It's not my method...

    I believe in offshoring and educating people in non-violent ways and eventually leaving. But did anyone stop to think that perhaps these protestors have so little to no hope that my non violent ways wouldn't work for them? I can certainly see how the United States inspires such behavior in the young. If I had been there I would have wanted a loudspeaker to shout the following to the protestor's - CEASE AND DESIST ANY BEHAVIORS YOU COULD BE ARRESTED FOR. WITH AN ARREST ON YOUR RECORD IT WILL BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO IMMIGRATE TO A BETTER COUNTRY. Common sense but try and get young people of a certain age to listen. Their behaviors really are putting their futures at risk, though.....Rob

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    I took a class in college in which the professor noted that little or nothing ever changes unless and until the situation is made uncomfortable for those in power. He cited the blind, uncontrolled intersection that finally gets attention after there are a couple of deaths. A casual review of history proves his theory.

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    Well the thing to be scared at about an arrest record is the ability to get a job, that's kind of the important thing, as criminal background checks are rampant, but some people accept that because what they are protesting is worth it to them, and good for them, we need someone who isn't just grubbing for economic security sometimes. Violence is it's own thing, but I mean just getting arresting in protest which of course some do (it's a choice it seldom seems to be required by protest) and non-violently.

    I don't think I'd believe any account of a protest I heard second hand. Now I witnessed a small Trump protest recently. I did not go out of my way to witness it. It was very small but it was peaceful (there were no pro-trump forces around, but there were 2-3 times as many people taking pics of the protest as protesting). And my sympathy is with the protestors as there is something to protest in Trump of course, but I choose my battles, at this point in the game before the primaries a protest that will seem to just enable Hillary is ....
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    People get rowdy sometimes. No one makes a big deal of it when college kids riot over a football game. But when there is a scuffle over politics, everyone fears that society is descending into total mayhem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    I took a class in college in which the professor noted that little or nothing ever changes unless and until the situation is made uncomfortable for those in power. He cited the blind, uncontrolled intersection that finally gets attention after there are a couple of deaths. A casual review of history proves his theory.
    Apparently this guy agrees with your professor. http://www.topinfopost.com/2014/06/3...rks-are-coming

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    I clicked on the link and read about the goings on with the Trump protestor's in San Jose. Two things come to mind. One, I don't approve of violence. Two, with the income inequality issue being what it is in America, why would anyone be surprised that such behavior is going to take place? It's not my method...

    I believe in offshoring and educating people in non-violent ways and eventually leaving. But did anyone stop to think that perhaps these protestors have so little to no hope that my non violent ways wouldn't work for them? I can certainly see how the United States inspires such behavior in the young. If I had been there I would have wanted a loudspeaker to shout the following to the protestor's - CEASE AND DESIST ANY BEHAVIORS YOU COULD BE ARRESTED FOR. WITH AN ARREST ON YOUR RECORD IT WILL BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO IMMIGRATE TO A BETTER COUNTRY. Common sense but try and get young people of a certain age to listen. Their behaviors really are putting their futures at risk, though.....Rob
    Getting up and out of a country takes more moxie than most people have. Logistics are difficult. Finding a country that supports you (the generic you) as a legal immigrant, leaving family and friends, and a familiar world may be near impossible. Most people cannot do it. I have respect for immigrants who DO pick up and leave a peaceful place for a world they think is a better fit for them. Action, not words.

    While you are the salesman for getting up and out, you havent taken action yourself. You are not a good example of your philosophy and I dont have respect for you as a representative of the idea of leaving a country that does not serve you. You are all talk, no action.

    Drilling down to details, how old is your mother? You say you will leaves when she passes. Is she in her 70's? Does that put you here a good ten more years, if not longer? Surely there are some compromise positions such as live for half a year in Mexico, or you move there and come to the US when she is older and more frail. Or you could take her with you. Beng from Austria and havng your same philosophy, surely she does not like Merika much herself ( even though we did offer her entry many years ago, you are welcome!)


    My immigrant grandfather from Scotland may not have set the world on fire when he brought his bride here to this country but he did have the moxie to get up and out. I will forever be grateful to him for that.

    Having read your screeds now for years I know you will likely think I am responding to your philosophy. I am not. I think its fine to assess where you (again, the generic you) live and pick up stakes and move if there are greener pastures, be that to another city, another state, or another country.

    I believe that your expectations about what the world owes you are not realistic and will not be met in the third world countries you like, but I could be wrong and this isnt about me anyway. Its about you. You are getting older and you will not get this time back.you are fretting your life away beng unhappy where you live. why, ever? Why dont you move NOW? what is REALLY stopping you? Sorry, I just dont believe it is your mother.

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    Many countries will not let you move there unless you can prove you have a certain amount of $ and won't use their services. They don't need anymore people to take care of. Mexico is probably an exception but I can't imagine wanting to live there. I spent a few days there and will never go back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Many of the media will do anything to rid the country of the scourge of Trumpism. Including inventing fraudulent incidents and ginned up charges. They are wasting their time digging deep into the Trump phenomenon. The answers to his popularity are right on the surface. He is a simple man. Perhaps even a simpleton. But he is motivated by his true feelings and not some elaborate scheme to take over the country. He speaks his mind even if that reveals he hasn't thought it out too clearly. He has been accepted by the common man not because he sits around the fire with them, but because he champions their causes while enjoying things the common man dreams of. And he doesn't tell the common man that their time has passed and now others must reap the benefits of your labor. He is not a puzzle, he is exactly what he appears to be and that irks the media.
    Trump = "Perhaps even a simpleton" --- I AGREE! How does this make him capable of running this country? Listen to him speak.... he NEVER uses words over 2 syllables!

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    The secret of his "success" is that he tells his followers what they want to hear with little regard for truth or logic.

    I think he is exactly what he appears to be: a crude, mendacious buffoon with a limited grasp of the issues.
    Even his own party is not thrilled with him. That should give you a clue as to his capabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Many of the media will do anything to rid the country of the scourge of Trumpism. Including inventing fraudulent incidents and ginned up charges. They are wasting their time digging deep into the Trump phenomenon. The answers to his popularity are right on the surface. He is a simple man. Perhaps even a simpleton. But he is motivated by his true feelings and not some elaborate scheme to take over the country. He speaks his mind even if that reveals he hasn't thought it out too clearly. He has been accepted by the common man not because he sits around the fire with them, but because he champions their causes while enjoying things the common man dreams of. And he doesn't tell the common man that their time has passed and now others must reap the benefits of your labor. He is not a puzzle, he is exactly what he appears to be and that irks the media.
    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Well, Trump is enjoying the "success" most recent conservative candidates only dream of. Conservatism doesn't understand that they speak for a narrow slice of the voting pie. They pretend to speak for a broad base but most of that base doesn't exist, they don't care at all about economic theory, moral politics or Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand, Thomas Lowell. They care about MLB, NBA, NHL and NASCAR and what beer is on sale at the local distributor.

    The basic fact is Trumps base is the salt of the earth, the common working folk, the guys who sit at the American Legion bar and shoot the bull then go home and have it out with the old lady. It ain't brain surgery. And no somebody finally represents them.
    I would hope that we have someone running this country who is smarter than the guys who sit at the bar and then go home to fight with their women. Running the country deserves someone more astute than that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    I would hope that we have someone running this country who is smarter than the guys who sit at the bar and then go home to fight with their women. Running the country deserves someone more astute than that!
    Why not advocate for some college professor to be the president!? Come on.

    Trump is a troubled man for troubled times.

    This is not the time to have some pointy-headed intellectual philosophizing about problems.

    We need a man who can actually make American great again!

    America first!

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