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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    Rob, I could get elaborate, but that pretty much sucks. I live in a diverse neighborhood, albeit suburban middle class, and as far as I can tell there have have been no similar issues. I don't thing it is American on the whole, but have no doubt there are regions that have problems like this. Maybe they are more common closer to the border? I have little doubt that the Trump regime will embolden more of this. Hate crimes are among the darkest I can imagine. I would like to think that America is better than this and that there are just small enclaves that are to blame. Maybe I am wrong.
    Thank You for your post, Rogar. You have given me some hope with your words. I wish to be fair and state that I don't know that it's Trump's win that is causing elderly Hispanic women to be robbed and beaten while having Wetback Go Home yelled at them. But I'd also agree that Trump's win can only embolden others to participate in this kind of thing...... I worry about out of control cops, out of control border agents/officers, and most unfortunarely, citizens gone amok and searching for scapegoats under the Trump regime. I count myself very lucky to live in a majority Hispanic neighborhood with the respect of neighborhood far and wide.......I actually feel safer here than I would in a nicer and whiter area further north. And I can relate to and understand these people......there's so much to be said for that. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    I'd contribute to a gofundme....
    When the human rights abuses mutioly and the world views us as an epic fail I'll be glad to call you on this, Bae. Thank You. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Girl View Post
    My awakening experience came about 5 years ago. I had been raised in a bit of a bubble, my parents did not let racism in our house however they were pretty quiet about it. I didn't realize it until I was much older and heard people talking about hearing racist jokes and comments by adults and then wondered why I had not heard these things, ever. However we never talked about it. I took for granted that good people accepted gay kids and different colors and religions. I stepped up one step by talking about it with my kids but it was still a problem of somewhere else. I went to a training over several days on addressing the reading gap in boys of color and listened to people who were actively working with these kids more than I was, including families of color, and had to admit I was just not aware of what was happening. I started to look other places, reading what educators and especially those of color were saying. I think being able to integrate new information is very important right now. I would love to be wrong and think things are better, my neighborhood so far has not had racist graffiti or attacks, however I need to listen to Rob and others who are seeing this first hand. And thank you for addressing this and working with police when I know that is hard for you.

    In some ways I wish I had been more aware of what was happening. I see now that in many ways my personal loneliness living in suburban Michigan was also the separation of my family from a lot of people because we did not accept things as normal. I see the simple acts of my parents in reaching out when the first black family moved in, the first hispanic family, the first Indian family and know now they lost friendships every time. They didn't whine or complain, but they also did what was right.
    You gave me a really needed dose of hope and a refresher that thete is some good left in humanity. Thank You. Rob

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    It seems to me that the cause of your unease isn't the US--It's Arizona, a thoroughly nasty place to be a progressive, what with Governor Bonefinger and Sheriff Joe and all. Is there any hope of moving to, say, New Mexico? Or somewhere else less repressive? I know there are lots of Mexican-Americans living pretty much unmolested in California, but that housing market is prohibitive. Take your moms along, maybe. I know I couldn't live in a constant state of siege, and neither should anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    It seems to me that the cause of your unease isn't the US--It's Arizona, a thoroughly nasty place to be a progressive, what with Governor Bonefinger and Sheriff Joe and all. Is there any hope of moving to, say, New Mexico? Or somewhere else less repressive? I know there are lots of Mexican-Americans living pretty much unmolested in California, but that housing market is prohibitive. Take your moms along, maybe. I know I couldn't live in a constant state of siege, and neither should anyone else.
    Yet, Arizona gave Rob Medicaid coverage when he needed it.

    New Mexico is one of the poorest states in the union, I doubt any economic opportunity he enjoys in
    Phoenix would transfer to NM. But that said, I would live in NM before I lived in Phoenix. I just like the laid back-ness of it, and I think Phoenix is a horrible carbuncle on the face of the earth sucking up natural resources like mad.

    and its not just Arizona. Rob explains often that he learned at the age of 12, when he lived near Bernie's paradise (New Hampshire,) that America didnt deserve his Love and respect.

    try to keep up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    There really is no way to forgive America in this case. Innocent citizens being murdered in cold blood by sociopathic police officers who get away with it due to how this country is set up......this is completely beyond human forgiveness. I knew this by age 12......luckily I was exposed to America as it really is before any Kool Aid could take effect. Rob

    No, just a different flavor of Koolaid took effect. Where you blame your mom, zip code, etc. as they are all part of what makes up America. (it isn't just people the same as you) Something to listen to at your future residence. On the way there, you might go here: N 31° 18.508 W 086° 28.941


    I do applaud you taking a more active role, instead of blaming, whining, feeling sorry for yourself about imaginary things. Maybe you will be brave enough to actually start talking to the police and facing those fears. You might be surprised why some of them became officers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff View Post
    No, just a different flavor of Koolaid took effect. Where you blame your mom, zip code, etc. as they are all part of what makes up America. (it isn't just people the same as you) Something to listen to at your future residence. On the way there, you might go here: N 31° 18.508 W 086° 28.941


    I do applaud you taking a more active role, instead of blaming, whining, feeling sorry for yourself about imaginary things. Maybe you will be brave enough to actually start talking to the police and facing those fears. You might be surprised why some of them became officers.
    excuse me? You really went too low here. Really really really too low. When did I ever blame my Mother for anything? Ouch. Completely unacceptable. Beyond that, I'm very proud to live in the 85006....I'd much much much rather live hete surrounded by Hispanics than live somewhere quote unquote nicer to the North and be surrounded by Anglos. Ick. That would be very souless and meaningless for me. Life is short. I'll remain grateful to live in the 85006 Thank You Very Much. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
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    try to keep up.
    I apologize for my remissitude.

    Well if you're committed to staying in Arizona, I commend you for getting involved in your neighborhood and its well-being. I do wish you'd find a way to get out of the toxic funk you seem to find yourself in, as it can't be conducive to bringing positive change--or to your health, for that matter. What is that line about being the change you want to see in the world? And since that old gasbag Arpaio was defeated recently, maybe change is in the air. Good luck, Rob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    I apologize for my remissitude.

    Well if you're committed to staying in Arizona, I commend you for getting involved in your neighborhood and its well-being. I do wish you'd find a way to get out of the toxic funk you seem to find yourself in, as it can't be conducive to bringing positive change--or to your health, for that matter. What is that line about being the change you want to see in the world? And since that old gasbag Arpaio was defeated recently, maybe change is in the air. Good luck, Rob.
    Now that was indeed wonderful news!!! To see Arpaio lose by 12 points and to have a Democrat fill that office!!! Not only that but Prop 206 passed which raises minumum wage in Arizona to $10/hr on January 1st and then slowly over time raises minumum wage to $12/hr by 2020. This actually passed here! Plus there is also a required minumum sick pay/sick time off component. So there has been some good news in the 85006, too. Rob

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    I tried finding articles about a new trend of rich white people terrorizing poor neighborhoods, but all I found was some stuff about gentrification.

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