Quote Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff View Post
So Gimme is pushing for Civil War and Succession, or American Imperialism, all while complaining that he wants to move to another country and not doing it?
Am I the only one who hears this voice in my head?
I'm not about civil war and no snark going your way, either, ok? I honestly don't understand how you could come up with this conclusion based on my posts? I am however all for California seceding from the United States - I believe this could be a good thing for both Californians and for the United States, too - and for all those who might be able to switch sides before everything is formalized. If you were a liberal given the current political and economic climate - where would you rather be? In Trump's America or in a new country that is liberal friendly from it's very start? I don't believe given my political beliefs of which I have been very vocal that it's hard to understand why I'd flee to California at the drop of a hat if it were to split off. It's just common sense for me to do so in my book. How could I let such a once in a lifetime chance pass me by if it materializes?

As to imperialism - this is not what I am about, either. I'm all about people getting out of the rat race if they so wish and not being victims of economic terrorism via the insanely overpriced American Health Care Industry. Given that there is likely to be less work in the future to go around for all of us due to multiple factors, especially automation, I believe it's only smart to lower the bill for social welfare to prevent revolution and utter chaos by offering citizens buyouts - a life without work somewhere cheaper in exchange for a monthly check that would stretch much further elsewhere than it would here. I can tell you that the 85006 would be a ghost town were this ever to happen - most people would flee without a second thought. There's really no real reason to work hard for most people these days in the sense that there is no getting ahead for most people the way things are set up now.....better to exit the nightmare and such would be good for America too via keeping social welfare costs down. I don't see why this is a negative thing - but then again I've lived in fear of America and all it stands for and will never really trust it so naturally I'm going to have a very cold bloodedly practical approach towards dealing with this country with no loyalty possible whatsoever. For me loyalty was lost the Summer of 1981.....a long story I will spare you'all.

To recap, no I don't want a civil war - though I would not be surprised if one materializes though I hope it doesn't. I'm all for California seceding - it would be the sixth largest economy in the world standing on it's own and it really doesn't need the US - the US needs California. Lots of leverage there and I hope California uses it at some point - plus the wonderful chance for those in California for whom liberalism doesn't work to flee to the United States and those for whom America doesn't work to start over in a new country, with the potential of minimal hassle in order to do so. And no, I don't believe in imperialism - just economic survival with no loyalty to any one country whatsoever. All the above to me is nothing other than common sense. YMMV, I get that, and no one says you have to agree with me. I won't judge you for waving the US flag around - please don't judge me for bailing for the chance for something that works better for me. Rob