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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    One thing I don't get about the defense is that the witness testimonies, all by credible patriots, have been discounted as not being first hand accounts, yet the ones that may have the first hand accounts have been blocked from testifying by the defenses. What is Donald hiding?

    But like we've said, it's mostly mute points.
    Then the question becomes why did the Democrats not invest the time and litigation necessary to compel some insider testimony? Why the need for speed above all?

    I think you’re right that hearing from people who were in the room firsthand, rather than hearsay from offended second and third tier mandarins would have made for a better case. Better television too, if that was the point of the exercise. I don’t think it would have been impossible to eventually drag in some hostile witnesses.

    Why all the righteous pontification about the “rule of law” when you don’t seem willing to use all the legal tools available to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Then the question becomes why did the Democrats not invest the time and litigation necessary to compel some insider testimony? Why the need for speed above all?
    The reason given in the arguments was that this would take months and months. The way Donald has played the courts for his tax returns I'd suspect it could go past elections. But, I think both parties wanted to just be done with things, and since it's a political choice rather than legal it probably would not have changed anything anyway.

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    So now that Moscow Mitch has stated publicly that he has no intention of upholding the impeachment oath he has to take can we charge him with perjury? supposedly republicans take that seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    So now that Moscow Mitch has stated publicly that he has no intention of upholding the impeachment oath he has to take can we charge him with perjury? supposedly republicans take that seriously.
    The juror's oath taken by legislators during an impeachment ceremony:I solemnly swear (or affirm) that in all things appertaining to the trial of ____, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws, so help me God.

    Will you hold Senators Warren and Sanders to the same standard considering they're positioning themselves to replace him?

    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    The juror's oath taken by legislators during an impeachment ceremony:I solemnly swear (or affirm) that in all things appertaining to the trial of ____, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws, so help me God.

    Will you hold Senators Warren and Sanders to the same standard considering they're positioning themselves to replace him?

    now that’s funny. The Trump tactic of gaslighting. Don’t address the question, try to turn it back to the democrats. Anything but telling the truth.

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    USA Today is calling for Trump's impeachment. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    USA Today is calling for Trump's impeachment. Rob
    I don’t think there’s much question that Donald J Trump will be impeached. That doesn’t mean he’ll be removed from office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    The reason given in the arguments was that this would take months and months. The way Donald has played the courts for his tax returns I'd suspect it could go past elections. But, I think both parties wanted to just be done with things, and since it's a political choice rather than legal it probably would not have changed anything anyway.
    So “the threat to our democracy” did not warrant months of effort to combat?

    But I agree this is first and foremost a political process, or perhaps rarefied political theater. If the intent was to drive up Trump’s disapproval numbers, the effort so far seems to be ineffective. Especially in the swing states.

    I think when the Senate Republicans are running the process, we will hear a lot of pontificating about letting voters decide and the conflict between an elected president the bureaucracy. When the Durham report comes out, they may have ammunition to claim the previous administration abused law enforcement to affect the 2016 election. It will give the punditocracy something to chatter about until the primaries start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    I don’t think there’s much question that Donald J Trump will be impeached. That doesn’t mean he’ll be removed from office.
    IL, USA Today meant the whole enchilda including removal from office. I do agree that it's not likely the Senate will impeach. My question is - what is the price tag to America if The Unfit One Ic Orange is not kicked to the curb? Let me be more clear: If 70% if working Americans are checked out of their jobs, how long is it until 70 percent of Americans have checked out of their citizenship? Either way this goes, there will be long term negative consequences for America. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere View Post
    now that’s funny. The Trump tactic of gaslighting. Don’t address the question, try to turn it back to the democrats. Anything but telling the truth.
    I think that gaslighting term is overused, often incorrectly. Some may even consider it gaslighting to point that out.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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