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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere View Post
    What societal problems are causing all this violence and how can they be fixed?
    I guess I might start by looking at places like Norway, Switzerland, Finland ...

    Are there any interesting cultural differences between the USA and European countries with low murder rates?

    I suspect someone with an honest interest might find existing literature addressing the topic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    As many have pointed out, other countries have deranged and disgruntled citizens, too--but not the easy access to firearms to act out with.
    There seem to be a fair number of nations in Europe that have solid rates of firearms ownership. Is there something else different about those countries that could be contributing to their lower rates of murder?

    Are there articles in the criminological journals that address how to go about doing cross-cultural comparisons of such things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    There seem to be a fair number of nations in Europe that have solid rates of firearms ownership. Is there something else different about those countries that could be contributing to their lower rates of murder?

    Are there articles in the criminological journals that address how to go about doing cross-cultural comparisons of such things?
    You were interested in moving to Iceland and also was there another far North cold snowy country you have mentioned a move to?

    Would your weapon owning ability be curtailed there? How much weight did you/do you give to weapon restrictions in a country you would move to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    You were interested in moving to Iceland and also was there another far North cold snowy country you have mentioned a move to?
    I'm currently weighing Iceland, Norway, Sweden, UK, Ireland, France, Portugal, Germany, and Italy. (Well, and Canada, but WA state is almost Canada already :-) ) I've been waiting for my daughter to settle into her career over there, and for my aging parents here to progress on their journeys.

    Would your weapon owning ability be curtailed there? How much weight did you/do you give to weapon restrictions in a country you would move to?
    There are *different* regulations in those countries, but in most firearms ownership is legal, and with my resources, fairly trivial to accomplish. I don't give a *lot* of weight to the issue, but it is a consideration.

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/i...s-2007-n872726

    oh here we go, mainstream media on gun ownership. This article amuses me, comparing Iceland to St.Louis merely because they have the same number of people.

    article says it takes 3 to 4 years to get a handgun. It says semi automatic weapons are nonexistent.

    The article focuses on the long education process legal gun owners are required to go through before getting a legally owned gun. I can assure you the brothers in St. Louis ain’t got time for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    This article amuses me, comparing Iceland to St.Louis merely because they have the same number of people.
    Some years back, I almost took a job with one of Iceland's emergency services agencies, which in retrospect I should have gone for. Iceland is indeed sorta-kinda very different from St. Louis(*). I wouldn't have had any pressing desire for a firearm there, had I immigrated.

    (*) For example, Iceland's Gini coefficient is 0.24 vs. 0.49 for the USA...



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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    (*) For example, Iceland's Gini coefficient is 0.24 vs. 0.49 for the USA...
    It sounds like Iceland needs more rich people. Why do they lag so?
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    It sounds like Iceland needs more rich people. Why do they lag so?
    I'm not sure "lagging" is a good metric for looking at Gini coefficients. I suppose an Icelander would think that the USA needs fewer poor people....

    It's a very different culture and a very different ecosystem. It is more community-oriented - rugged individualists wouldn't have survived their history I suspect. The middle class there is solid, and the shape of the income curve is quite different than the US. Looks like they like it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    There seem to be a fair number of nations in Europe that have solid rates of firearms ownership. Is there something else different about those countries that could be contributing to their lower rates of murder?

    Are there articles in the criminological journals that address how to go about doing cross-cultural comparisons of such things?
    You should research and get answer to your questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    You should research and get answer to your questions.
    I think you don't perhaps understand how things work...

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