Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
I have wondered recently what Donald actually did get done. That is compared to what he said he got done or what he promised to get done or what he ranted about getting done. And how that compares to Biden. For example, Trump ranted about drug prices, but what did he do. And what has Biden done. I suspect Trump set any clean energy efforts back and opened wonderful public lands that have native tribal value to oil exploration and drilling. And compare that to what Biden has done for climate change efforts and restoring public lands. One can look at the figures for deficient spending and national debt and any efforts to reduce government waste certainly don't show in the figures. All of his talk about curbing violence seemed to be just that, talk. Not to mention Jan. 6. Etc. How about his mediaeval wall that apparently never got finished, and how do immigration figures compare then and to now?
Good points...

I was going to say something similar. What Trump has done is not so great if what he had done is not what you want him to do. Rolling back 95 environmental laws and making an oil and coal bedfellow deputy of the EPA and a coal lobbyist deputy administrator makes whatever power he has by virtue of his wealth a reason NOT to vote for him, and scary. His policies would change on a dime if he found them not to be in HIS best interests. He doesn't speak for me, and he doesn't speak for the working class, and the impact of his pro-business policies prove that.

Portuguese John, you sound like my DH--he said he would vote for either Trump or Sanders, because they are not afraid to make enemies and distance themselves from the political machine, despite their being tied to it. I have always been pro-Sanders and anti-Trump because of what's important to me policy-wise, not just because they both come off as political outsiders.

Trump is a showman, and a narcissist, and that combination scares me.