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jp1
7-15-23, 10:24am
Yes. The part where they want soldiers to refuse direct orders from their commanding officers was quite impressive.

JaneV2.0
7-15-23, 12:36pm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P32InJLUvDo&pp=ygUXTWFrZSBhbWVyaWNhIGdsYW0gYWdhaW4%3D

I thought this video featuring leading Republicans was hilarious. Its theme is “Let’s make America Glam Again!”

RuPaulpublicans.


Fabulous!

bae
7-20-23, 2:19pm
#1275. Florida

Tybee
7-20-23, 2:33pm
The murderous treason of the last Republican president

JaneV2.0
7-20-23, 4:20pm
Marjorie Taylor Greene (or whatever she's calling herself now) engaging in illegal revenge porn by showing private citizen Hunter Biden's alleged dick pic in an open Congressional hearing for no apparent reason.

Alan
7-20-23, 4:28pm
Marjorie Taylor Greene (or whatever she's calling herself now) engaging in illegal revenge porn by showing private citizen Hunter Biden's alleged dick pic in an open Congressional hearing for no apparent reason.
Graphical representation of Mann Act violation and improper tax deduction for "professional services"? A picture is worth a thousand words.

JaneV2.0
7-20-23, 5:23pm
The Mann Act?? Oh, please. I'm sure there was no sex trafficking going on. And Biden's tax cheating could be better addressed by the IRS, if warranted, without Congress getting involved. Same could be said for the "Mann Act" idiocy. MTG et al have no right to harass a private citizen in any case outside of the government. I remarked to a friend that Billy Carter, Roger Clinton, and Neil Bush should be glad they're not living in these crazy times.

Alan
7-20-23, 5:51pm
The Mann Act?? Oh, please.
I'm guessing you didn't watch the line of questioning. It had to do with payments made from business accounts and then deducted on tax forms for flights transporting "personal assistants" across state lines and those "personal assistants" turning out to be prostitutes from California. Annual memberships in expensive sex clubs were also deducted.

Kinda silly in one sense and a bit of showboating on MTG's part but overall a valid discussion point in a hearing with IRS investigators showcasing charges ignored or deliberately delayed until statute of limitations kicks in.

Did you see today's hearing on governmental censorship where the entire Democratic delegation tried to censor Robert Kennedy Jr to keep him from testifying about being censored? These hearings are nothing if not entertaining.

JaneV2.0
7-20-23, 6:45pm
I remember when legislators focused more on the business of government and less on silly political stunts. Hunter Biden may be a reprobate, but if anything, his escapades are a matter for law enforcement, not Congress.

bae
7-20-23, 6:47pm
Ah, for simpler times....

https://i.imgur.com/U9GsT38.jpg

LDAHL
7-27-23, 10:30am
Looks like they couldn’t get the judge to sign off on Hunter’s plea deal. It wasn’t the completely usual nothing-to-see-here nothingburger people were claiming it to be.

Teacher Terry
7-27-23, 10:58am
Looks like they couldn’t get the judge to sign off on Hunter’s plea deal. It wasn’t the completely usual nothing-to-see-here nothingburger people were claiming it to be.

I am actually glad because it didn’t seem right to me. I am for justice not party.

iris lilies
7-27-23, 11:03am
Looks like they couldn’t get the judge to sign off on Hunter’s plea deal. It wasn’t the completely usual nothing-to-see-here nothingburger people were claiming it to be.
it is nothing to see because main stream media is not covering much of it, or they’re covering only the broad story that they’re forced to cover. were it a real story they would be all over it! /s

I listened to NPR’s On The Media interview with Michael Sulzberger, New York Times publisher, who swears up down and sideways that his newspaper is not a liberally focused newspaper. Early in the podcast the interviewer said with a bit of exasperation “why don’t you just admit that it’s a liberal publication? that doesn’t discount your reporting is professional, thorough, and factual.”

Sulzberger wouldn’t budge.

I’m waiting for that NYT front page expose of Hunter Biden. I might then subscribe to it. How long will I have to wait?

Since I do not follow details of the Hunter Biden story, and there’s certainly smoke there don’t know about fire, the real story has always been the complacency of media and government officials to refuse to cover the story. Ongoing now for years. I enjoyed watching the New York Post reporter testify in front of Congress and give a beatdown to her journalistic colleagues. Yes, I know that the Post is a rag, but that girl has journalism chops. Just like the college freshman had journalism chops, the kid who brought down Stanford University’s president for his unrelenting investigation into cooked research published by the president. Just like that college sophomore who was key in bringing down Elizabeth Holmes.


The Internet has millions of little voices twittering incredibly stupid stuff, but the Internet also allows truth to rise to the top.

LDAHL
7-27-23, 11:10am
it is nothing to see because main stream media is not covering much of it, or they’re covering only the broad story that they’re forced to cover. were it a real story they would be all over it! /s

I listened to NPR’s On The Media interview with Michael Sulzberger, New York Times publisher, who swears up down and sideways that his newspaper is not a liberally focused newspaper. Early in the podcast the interviewer said with a bit of exasperation “why don’t you just admit that it’s a liberal publication? that doesn’t discount your reporting is professional, thorough, and factual.”

Sulzberger wouldn’t budge.

I’m waiting for that front page expose of Hunter Biden. How long will I have to wait?

Since I do not follow details of the Hunter Biden story, and there’s certainly smoke there don’t know about fire, the real story has always been the complacency in which media and government officials simply refused to cover the story. Ongoing now for years. I enjoyed watching the New York Post reporter testify in front of Congress and give a beatdown to her journalistic colleagues. Yes, I know that the Post is a rag, but the girl had journalism chops. Just like the college freshman had journalism chops, the kid who brought down Stanford University’s president for his unrelenting investigation into cooked research published by the president. Just like that college sophomore brought down Elizabeth Holmes.

The Internet has millions of little voices twittering incredibly stupid stuff, but the Internet also allows truth to rise to the top.

Not a real story, like the Russia collusion thing? Or Brett Kavanaugh’s high school yearbook?

Alan
7-27-23, 1:34pm
It wasn’t the completely usual nothing-to-see-here nothingburger people were claiming it to be.
No, it most certainly wasn't. Hiding what appears to be a blanket pardon (or at least a promise not to prosecute any additional violations which may come to light) within the pre-trial diversion section of the agreement seems like a big deal indeed. I suspect the judge's attention to detail will now force the DOJ to explore potential FARA (Foreign Agents Registration Act) violations which is the very last thing the Biden administration and main stream media want to happen. If Hunter is found to be in violation the question of what he had to offer comes to the forefront, and the answer is influence.

To think that would have been pushed under the rug in the absence of one simple question from the judge is remarkable.

I also think that's a perfect example of why you shouldn't vote Republican, the double standards, graft and influence peddling will have to be a little less obvious otherwise.

jp1
7-28-23, 8:09pm
The very smart Marcy Wheeler has an interesting take on what’s going on with the Hunter Biden plea deal. The very short TLDR, both the government and Hunter’s lawyer bungled the whole thing although she also seems to think the government may have been trying to back door Hunter into testifying himself into a FARA crime admission that they don’t otherwise have admissible evidence for because of the whole laptop scam being tainted beyond usefulness.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/07/28/david-weiss-is-wrecking-the-the-right-wing-story-and-likely-sandbagging-hunter-biden/

iris lilies
7-28-23, 9:34pm
The very smart Marcy Wheeler has an interesting take on what’s going on with the Hunter Biden plea deal. The very short TLDR, both the government and Hunter’s lawyer bungled the whole thing although she also seems to think the government may have been trying to back door Hunter into testifying himself into a FARA crime admission that they don’t otherwise have admissible evidence for because of the whole laptop scam being tainted beyond usefulness.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/07/28/david-weiss-is-wrecking-the-the-right-wing-story-and-likely-sandbagging-hunter-biden/

i’m not sure I understand what this author is saying (it’s hard to wade through the first few paragraphs of this article because she’s so self congratulatory ) but is her conclusion really that the DOJ can’t do what they need to do because —-Donald J Trump? It’s Trump’s fault?

Really, is this the conclusion?

jp1
7-28-23, 9:38pm
Partly yes. Because the DOj under Donald trump did stuff the DOJ can’t do. But the bigger conclusion is that the DOJ was trying to fix that by scamming Hunter into confessing crimes that the DOJ wouldn’t otherwise be able to prove due to the ‘irregularities’ that occurred under Barr’s tenure.

jp1
7-28-23, 9:49pm
Basically her understanding from a strictly legal point of view is that neither the right wing or left wing accepted point of view of why this has played out is accurate.

Alan
7-28-23, 9:53pm
i’m not sure I understand what this author is saying (it’s hard to wave through the first paragraph of this article because she’s so self congratulatory ) but is her conclusion really that the DOJ can’t do what they need to do because —-Donald J Trump? It’s Trump’s fault?

Really, is this the conclusion?
I think what she was basically saying is that the DOJ was trying to set Hunter Biden up through specific language in the plea agreement and that the defense attorneys were too stupid to notice. It occurs to me that the DOJ might attempt something like that but any competent lawyer, not to mention an entire team of lawyers would see through that at first glance. It doesn't pass the smell test for me.

It seems more likely to me that this was a concerted effort between both sides to put this entire matter to rest while doing the least possible damage to the defendant, and also to provide immunity from future prosecution for related charges without admitting to the potential charges themselves. The judge threw a monkey wrench into the mix by asking pertinent questions which forced the prosecution to backtrack on what they and the defense had previously agreed upon but couldn't publicly admit.

iris lilies
7-28-23, 9:53pm
Basically her understanding from a strictly legal point of view is that neither the right wing or left wing accepted point of view of why this has played out is accurate.
Also, Hunter doesn't have very good attorneys according to her although I can’t imagine why.

jp1
7-28-23, 10:38pm
Also, Hunter doesn't have very good attorneys according to her although I can’t imagine why.

Maybe because he has long had addiction issues and judging from how he didn’t really seem aware of the fact that his iCloud account had been taken over by hackers is still not really ‘together’? I don’t have addiction issues but if I was in a legal situation the only way I’d know whether my counsel sucked would be because I have a few friends that are lawyers. Lots of people, possibly including hunter given his addiction issues, may not have responsible and smart lawyer friends to help him.

Alan
7-28-23, 10:47pm
Maybe because he has long had addiction issues and judging from how he didn’t really seem aware of the fact that his iCloud account had been taken over by hackers is still not really ‘together’? I don’t have addiction issues but if I was in a legal situation the only way I’d know whether my counsel sucked would be because I have a few friends that are lawyers. Lots of people, possibly including hunter given his addiction issues, may not have responsible and smart lawyer friends to help him.Isn't Hunter himself a lawyer and graduate of Yale Law School?

bae
7-28-23, 10:57pm
Isn't Hunter himself a lawyer and graduate of Yale Law School?

Wow - I just looked him up and his bio. He certainly managed to fail upwards with great speed!

jp1
7-28-23, 11:15pm
Isn't Hunter himself a lawyer and graduate of Yale Law School?

True. Just like W but with addiction thrown in to make things complicated.

LDAHL
7-29-23, 9:53am
I understand that there are now a dozen or so federal judges who won’t consider Yale Law grads for clerkships, largely over that institution’s hostility to the concept of free speech.

LDAHL
7-29-23, 9:55am
Maybe because he has long had addiction issues and judging from how he didn’t really seem aware of the fact that his iCloud account had been taken over by hackers is still not really ‘together’? I don’t have addiction issues but if I was in a legal situation the only way I’d know whether my counsel sucked would be because I have a few friends that are lawyers. Lots of people, possibly including hunter given his addiction issues, may not have responsible and smart lawyer friends to help him.

I find it difficult to believe a man with his money and connections can’t get decent advice.

JaneV2.0
7-29-23, 9:26pm
True. Just like W but with addiction thrown in to make things complicated.

As I recall, W had drug and alcohol issues as well.

flowerseverywhere
7-29-23, 9:59pm
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/07/28/houstin-isd-turns-libraries-in-part-into-student-discipline-centers/70487604007/

Great idea in Texas to turn school libraries into detention/disciplinary centers. We don't need no books.

https://money.yahoo.com/law-shields-desantis-state-vehicles-184600474.html

And new law so Desantis can use State vehicles for his 2024 presidential campaign. Because the money isn't needed to help the actual taxpayers. They all have a roof over their head, great health insurance, decent food and excellent schools. Not.

jp1
7-30-23, 6:24am
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/07/28/houstin-isd-turns-libraries-in-part-into-student-discipline-centers/70487604007/

Great idea in Texas to turn school libraries into detention/disciplinary centers. We don't need no books.

https://money.yahoo.com/law-shields-desantis-state-vehicles-184600474.html

And new law so Desantis can use State vehicles for his 2024 presidential campaign. Because the money isn't needed to help the actual taxpayers. They all have a roof over their head, great health insurance, decent food and excellent schools. Not.

Considering how he thinks the Florida state government exists to serve his personal hate filled desires this is absolutely not a surprise. The only surprise about desantis is that his thin skinned, hate filled existence isn’t more popular outside Florida.

LDAHL
7-30-23, 1:48pm
I still hold out hope for Tim Scott. He must be getting at least some traction, or they wouldn’t be trying out Uncle Tom smears on him.

flowerseverywhere
8-3-23, 10:21pm
And the latest on Florida

https://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-effectively-bans-ap-psychology-gender-sex-content/story?id=101996465

So AP psychology cannot mention sexuality because Ron the dictator says so. No AP African American or psychology unless they change the curriculum to what they want.

Imagine the students they are hurting. Maybe they can offer bible study instead.

bae
8-3-23, 10:44pm
And the latest on Florida
...

Imagine the students they are hurting. Maybe they can offer bible study instead.

At a certain point, people bear some responsibility for the people they choose to put in office.

If Floridians enjoy this sort of thing, well, more power to them and their hellscape.

Heck, there's a good chance Trump will get re-elected in 2024.

iris lilies
8-3-23, 11:00pm
At a certain point, people bear some responsibility for the people they choose to put in office.

If Floridians enjoy this sort of thing, well, more power to them and their hellscape.

Heck, there's a good chance Trump will get re-elected in 2024.

i’m fascinated to know what kind of established, irrefutable facts about gender and its identity they are teaching. You know, THE SCIENCE of psychology and sociology of gender. Are there any?

jp1
8-4-23, 12:04am
I still hold out hope for Tim Scott. He must be getting at least some traction, or they wouldn’t be trying out Uncle Tom smears on him.

Lol. Judging from his milk toast response to the trump indictments the other day he has about as much chance as peewee Herman of becoming president.

His lame response may be fine for you but it appeals to exactly no one. Magas will hate it. Democracy lovers will hate it. Only the 5% of people like you that are in between those two groups will find it at all acceptable.

LDAHL
8-4-23, 8:36am
Lol. Judging from his milk toast response to the trump indictments the other day he has about as much chance as peewee Herman of becoming president.

His lame response may be fine for you but it appeals to exactly no one. Magas will hate it. Democracy lovers will hate it. Only the 5% of people like you that are in between those two groups will find it at all acceptable.

I think there is more space between people who love Trump and people who love to hate Trump than you suggest. I think the more people see of Scott the more they will like him. In an era of frothing-at-the-mouth hatred and puerile insults passing for politics, he’s a breath of fresh air. The non-neurotic vote may be larger than you think, and being insuffiently agitated could actually be a positive.

flowerseverywhere
8-4-23, 12:41pm
i’m fascinated to know what kind of established, irrefutable facts about gender and its identity they are teaching. You know, THE SCIENCE of psychology and sociology of gender. Are there any?

The article posted refers to that. All around us sexuality, gender, and identity is something to understand. Making believe it doesn't exist will not make it go away. Education About it makes informed, critical thinkers.

I spent 30+ years working on locked psych wards, plus some in addiction units. So many people have sexual conflicts, have dealt with sexual abuse, sexual harassment, gender identity and rejection by their family due to their sexual preferences. there is no one way to deal with them. But understanding and accepting them is the first step. What are republicans afraid of? Perhaps they protest too much.

bae
8-4-23, 12:51pm
Greg Abbott

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/08/03/13/73921907-0-image-a-9_1691064275848.jpg

JaneV2.0
8-4-23, 2:47pm
Greg Abbott is a great example of how not to be a human being--born without a soul.

iris lilies
8-4-23, 3:46pm
The article posted refers to that. All around us sexuality, gender, and identity is something to understand. Making believe it doesn't exist will not make it go away. Education About it makes informed, critical thinkers.

I spent 30+ years working on locked psych wards, plus some in addiction units. So many people have sexual conflicts, have dealt with sexual abuse, sexual harassment, gender identity and rejection by their family due to their sexual preferences. there is no one way to deal with them. But understanding and accepting them is the first step. What are republicans afraid of? Perhaps they protest too much.


Oh, I know and I’m not interested in tamping down on topics taught or removing books from public libraries or necessarily other libraries, so in the big overview picture sure – sex, sexuality, gender, identity, etc. exist and I theoretically support those appropriate topics for education. You speak in generalities, and I agree.

I just wonder what exactly they are teaching about those topics. The devil is in the details. I think it’s likely that some “statements of fact” a teacher might make would be ones I disagree with as factual.

I don’t want to control information that might promote a point of view in opposition to mine, I would much rather see an atmosphere of free and open discussion on these and other matters. It’s just that it’s unlikely in our educational institutions these days. That is too bad, the quashing of intellectual exploration from all sides of the political spectrum. It’s unfortunate.

Nothing I’m saying here is intending to support the state of Florida’s control on sex and race education. Neither am I necessarily supporting the current educational environment.

if I had children, I was sending to public school. I hope I would have enough sense to counter at home some of the nonsense they’re getting in classroom instruction, but I would also welcome a broadening of their outlook on life they might not get in my home. If they felt inclined to —for instance—use the wrong nomenclature in their gender study class which would earn them a failing grade, would counsel them to smile and go along with the game in order to get a good grade. I think my kids would be smart enough at high school age to understand life is not black-and-white.

flowerseverywhere
8-4-23, 5:00pm
Iris, in this case, we are talking about 17 and 18 year olds. To be in Advanced Placement classes obviously you either are naturally gifted or study and are inquisitive. Kids who are headed for higher study in most cases. These kids are not idiots. Even in the most rigid "Christian" homes, if you are in public school and out in public, you see gay people. Kids who keep up with pop culture certainly know what is going on around them.

It really saddens me to think of the opportunities missed if kids are not exposed to the ideas in these advanced studies classes.

I would much rather see outrage about the lying ex President and his badgering and name calling.

And by the way, DeSantis has pledged to "slit throats on day one" in his presidential campaign. Maybe some fox watching idiot will try to get a head start.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-says-he-will-start-slitting-throats-on-day-one-in-executive-branch/ar-AA1eKK24

iris lilies
8-4-23, 6:07pm
Iris, in this case, we are talking about 17 and 18 year olds. To be in Advanced Placement classes obviously you either are naturally gifted or study and are inquisitive. Kids who are headed for higher study in most cases. These kids are not idiots. Even in the most rigid "Christian" homes, if you are in public school and out in public, you see gay people. Kids who keep up with pop culture certainly know what is going on around them.

out of curiosity, do you know what details are in the curriculum for AP classes about sexuality and gender? do you suppose conflicting opinions are presented? I think of this is a “social problems class” where required readings would include the likes of Deborah Soh, Kathleen Stock, Hannah Barnes in addition to the usual trans promoters Julia Sereno and her crowd.



It really saddens me to think of the opportunities missed if kids are not exposed to the ideas in these advanced studies classes.

it saddens me to think they’ll get to college where the ideology will be even more strongly promoted, echo chamber like.

iris lilies
8-5-23, 2:21am
…It really saddens me to think of the opportunities missed if kids are not exposed to the ideas in these advanced studies classes.

Republicans are not the only ones who think gender information is scary and inappropriate! Democrats need to be exposed to ideas in gender studies.

I just happened to watch a video clip from the congressional hearings on funding hospitals that perform gender reassignment surgeries, and the Democrats in the chamber got up and left in unison during testimony. They couldn’t stand to hear an expert on “their side “talk about the phalloplasty surgeries he performs, sometimes on adolescents.

He talked about a little known problem in doing surgery on natal men whose puberty have been suppressed, and they do not have enough genital material to be formed into a pseudo-functional vagina. This is a new problem because up until now, very few puberty suppressed natal men have presented themselves for this specific surgery.

it’s so weird that democratic congressmen don’t want to know about the drug regimes and gender surgery they are promoting.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgw3S5X3myI

JaneV2.0
8-5-23, 2:35pm
I'm not sure how an AP class on sexuality and gender is offensive to anyone, or what it might have to do with phalloplasty (very little, I imagine.).

iris lilies
8-5-23, 3:18pm
I'm not sure how an AP class on sexuality and gender is offensive to anyone, or what it might have to do with phalloplasty (very little, I imagine.).

I would not be “offended” but I would would be annoyed if the material did not present a balanced approach, and I would not respect the teacher.

There is a pretty good chance I would be annoyed and feel disrespect for most teachers of most of these silly classes. The devil is in the details though, and I would be very interested in seeing a class curriculum and reading list.

flowerseverywhere
8-5-23, 9:19pm
out of curiosity, do you know what details are in the curriculum for AP classes about sexuality and gender? do you suppose conflicting opinions are presented? I think of this is a “social problems class” where required readings would include the likes of Deborah Soh, Kathleen Stock, Hannah Barnes in addition to the usual trans promoters Julia Sereno and her crowd.




it saddens me to think they’ll get to college where the ideology will be even more strongly promoted, echo chamber like.

Here is the curriculum explanation. As I expected, it does not go into the anatomy and physiology of it all. Section 6.7

https://psychexamreview.com/ap-psychology-curriculum-guide/#:~:text=AP%20Psychology%20Curriculum%20Guide%20wi th%20Videos%201%201.1,the%20Nervous%20System%20and %20the%20Neuron%20More%20items

And I don't think these classes are silly at all. Truthful information enhances our lives. Studying the arts, sciences, literatre, language, math and so on are the backbone of an educated, inquisitive population.

Also, I hate that teachers are being so demonized. The amount of distrust on the medical and educational community is appalling. No wonder there is a teacher, nurse and doctor shortage.

iris lilies
8-5-23, 9:39pm
Another reason why Donald Trump is bad is because he signed into law the “COVID-19 consumer protection act” which is being used to silence a local St. Louis chiropractor who has a radio show. He talks about zinc and vitamin D preventing COVID-19.

I have several thoughts about this, and they are:

1. So hunh, a chiropractor selling snake oil cures. That’s hardly new.

2. Clearly, he’s being targeted and held up as an example.I doubt they’re going to go after Rachel Maddow for her Covid misinformation. She was serving the overlords at the at CDC so she got the stamp of approval. Some misinformation spreaders are more equal than others.


3. Did we REALLY need yet another law to address this sort of thing? Aren’t there existing laws that the FTC can invoke?

4. Probably you all think this law is great so I guess you can thank Donald Trump for it.





https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/eric-nepute-is-being-sued-for-spreading-covid-misinformation-10-million-times-39481570

jp1
8-5-23, 10:00pm
If a student in AP psychology has a differing opinion from whatever is presented as part of the curriculum then I would hope that they would speak up and present their alternative view. Then the whole class could discuss the pros/cons of the competing viewpoints and all would come away better educated and able to think critically. That’s kind of the whole point of a college education, and by extension high school classes that provide the opportunity to earn college credits. We need to get away from this awful perspective that college is simply a trade school to teach people how to do jobs and back to the idea that college teaches people how to think rationally.

iris lilies
8-5-23, 10:42pm
Here is the curriculum explanation. As I expected, it does not go into the anatomy and physiology of it all. Section 6.7

https://psychexamreview.com/ap-psychology-curriculum-guide/#:~:text=AP%20Psychology%20Curriculum%20Guide%20wi th%20Videos%201%201.1,the%20Nervous%20System%20and %20the%20Neuron%20More%20items

And I don't think these classes are silly at all. Truthful information enhances our lives. Studying the arts, sciences, literatre, language, math and so on are the backbone of an educated, inquisitive population.

Also, I hate that teachers are being so demonized. The amount of distrust on the medical and educational community is appalling. No wonder there is a teacher, nurse and doctor shortage.

This AP class is Introduction to psychology, it’s not specifically about sexuality and gender.

I listened to section 6.7 “Gender and sexual orientation” and it is uncontroversial as far as I’m concerned. But this teacher ties gender and sexuality tightly very early in his lecture, and then doesn’t mention gender again. That is not current thought by the trans community, but that sort of thing could be discussed in class when a student challenges it.

He mentioned twins study that shows of identical twins who are homosexual, only in 52% of those cases are both twins homosexual. I thought I remembered that percentage was quite a bit higher. In fraternal twins it’s 26% of the time that has both twins homosexual.

JaneV2.0
8-5-23, 11:03pm
Vitamin D and zinc are well-known immune system boosters. Hardly controversial.

In hindsight, the whole of international media was complicit in spreading questionable COVID 19 information, probably at the behest of their governments.

iris lilies
8-5-23, 11:09pm
Vitamin D and zinc are well-known immune system boosters. Hardly controversial.

In hindsight, the whole of international media was complicit in spreading questionable COVID 19 information, probably at the behest of their governments.

but yet, the Biden administration is going after him.

I would like to see a little humility from President Biden and his henchmen at the CDC, who are also Donald Trump‘s henchmen.

Tiam
8-6-23, 2:58am
Here's why TO VOTE REPUBLICAN! For the Primaries. I switched my party to Republican. Why? Because I can't vote to nominate the Republican runner. If I switch I can. I encourage everyone who REALLY wants a certain egomaniac from gaining office AGAIN, to switch NOW! Maybe if enough people switch, we can change the tide. You can vote for WHOEVER you want come the actual Presidential election, but I can't stand the idea of a certain someone coming back into power. This is my small step to try and stop that. Not that I'm thrilled with the other runners, but way out ahead of the pack, I DO NOT WANT this maniac back in office.

iris lilies
8-6-23, 11:18am
Here's why TO VOTE REPUBLICAN! For the Primaries. I switched my party to Republican. Why? Because I can't vote to nominate the Republican runner. If I switch I can. I encourage everyone who REALLY wants a certain egomaniac from gaining office AGAIN, to switch NOW! Maybe if enough people switch, we can change the tide. You can vote for WHOEVER you want come the actual Presidential election, but I can't stand the idea of a certain someone coming back into power. This is my small step to try and stop that. Not that I'm thrilled with the other runners, but way out ahead of the pack, I DO NOT WANT this maniac back in office.

This is fine advice and I concur.

LDAHL
8-6-23, 12:09pm
Here's why TO VOTE REPUBLICAN! For the Primaries. I switched my party to Republican. Why? Because I can't vote to nominate the Republican runner. If I switch I can. I encourage everyone who REALLY wants a certain egomaniac from gaining office AGAIN, to switch NOW! Maybe if enough people switch, we can change the tide. You can vote for WHOEVER you want come the actual Presidential election, but I can't stand the idea of a certain someone coming back into power. This is my small step to try and stop that. Not that I'm thrilled with the other runners, but way out ahead of the pack, I DO NOT WANT this maniac back in office.

This illustrates one of the problems with the open primary system. People interfering in the choices of a party they have no connection to. Crossover voting like you suggest was long a tool used by the Democratic political machine in Chicago. The hijacking of a party’s primary by MAGA idiots with little regard for that party’s basic philosophy. Guys like Bernie Sanders running in the primaries of a party he never pretended to be part of. Democrats spending millions in Republican primaries in support of candidates they hope will be weaker general election opponents. One party trying to force states to change primary schedules to benefit a current incumbent.

I personally think we got better quality candidates in the days of the smoke filled room.

catherine
8-6-23, 12:13pm
Here's why TO VOTE REPUBLICAN! For the Primaries. I switched my party to Republican. Why? Because I can't vote to nominate the Republican runner. If I switch I can. I encourage everyone who REALLY wants a certain egomaniac from gaining office AGAIN, to switch NOW! Maybe if enough people switch, we can change the tide. You can vote for WHOEVER you want come the actual Presidential election, but I can't stand the idea of a certain someone coming back into power. This is my small step to try and stop that. Not that I'm thrilled with the other runners, but way out ahead of the pack, I DO NOT WANT this maniac back in office.

Yes, see my thread on Chris Christie. From a strategic point of view, I would vote for him in the primaries. Would I switch parties to do so? Of course. Biden's pretty much a shoo-in for the Dems and I don't think he's doing a bad job.

JaneV2.0
8-6-23, 12:33pm
but yet, the Biden administration is going after him.

I would like to see a little humility from President Biden and his henchmen at the CDC, who are also Donald Trump‘s henchmen.

Yeah--I don't want a government, local or national, telling me what to think or how to think or when they can shut down my First Amendment right to criticize their pet alphabet agencies, which don't seem to have the public's interests at heart.

LDAHL
8-7-23, 9:31am
Yeah--I don't want a government, local or national, telling me what to think or how to think or when they can shut down my First Amendment right to criticize their pet alphabet agencies, which don't seem to have the public's interests at heart.

How about such attempts at chilling moves like that creepy “bias registry” they’re setting up in Minnesota?

jp1
8-7-23, 11:11am
How about such attempts at chilling moves like that creepy “bias registry” they’re setting up in Minnesota?

Considering that it's only the collection of data about incidents, not individuals, it's not particularly chilling. Except maybe to the people who want to pretend that certain demographics aren't targets of hate crimes.

LDAHL
8-7-23, 3:20pm
Considering that it's only the collection of data about incidents, not individuals, it's not particularly chilling. Except maybe to the people who want to pretend that certain demographics aren't targets of hate crimes.

So, the State Department of Human Rights will compile a database of unsubstantiated allegations, subject to review and interpretation only by itself. They say they will use this “information” to “fight hate”. By this, I’m pretty sure they won’t be mandating love. They will use it to agitate for additional funding and to punish or embarrass municipalities, companies or individuals reluctant to get with their program. Maybe they can eventually set up commissions or tribunals to prosecute recalcitrant bakers. What could possibly go wrong with such a noble endeavor?

jp1
8-7-23, 8:55pm
So, the State Department of Human Rights will compile a database of unsubstantiated allegations, subject to review and interpretation only by itself. They say they will use this “information” to “fight hate”. By this, I’m pretty sure they won’t be mandating love. They will use it to agitate for additional funding and to punish or embarrass municipalities, companies or individuals reluctant to get with their program. Maybe they can eventually set up commissions or tribunals to prosecute recalcitrant bakers. What could possibly go wrong with such a noble endeavor?

I suppose you’re right. Maybe a better plan is to just blatantly use state power to go after people you hate, the way desantis has done with Disney. At least then it’s all up front and apparent to everyone. The only difference between the two is that desantis is going after someone who wants to be more kind and inclusive and Minnesota wants to reduce hate and evilness. But I guess the fans of evilness feel threatened by that.

Alan
8-7-23, 9:40pm
But I guess the fans of evilness feel threatened by that.
I think it's more like people who are filled with love and compassion, yet derided for adhering to free thought, may be concerned that our state and federal governments are building an infrastructure similar to parts of Europe. Currently in the UK, people have been arrested for silently praying outside abortion clinics. It's apparently a short step from "hate speech" (as defined by authoritarians) and "hate thought", which must be punished by the power of the state.

jp1
8-7-23, 9:43pm
I think it's more like people who are filled with love and compassion, yet derided for adhering to free thought, may be concerned that our state and federal governments are building an infrastructure similar to parts of Europe. Currently in the UK, people have been arrested for silently praying outside abortion clinics. It's apparently a short step from "hate speech" (as defined by authoritarians) and "hate thought", which must be punished by the power of the state.

I suppose it’s also a short step from calling a trans woman an ‘ugly man’ to being told that you’re expressing hate.

Alan
8-7-23, 10:00pm
I suppose it’s also a short step from calling a trans woman an ‘ugly man’ to being told that you’re expressing hate.
You express hate here nearly every day. Should we do something about that?

jp1
8-7-23, 11:08pm
You express hate here nearly every day. Should we do something about that?

You could stop hating certain groups of people for existing? Ldahl’s kid would probably appreciate it if you would would do that.

iris lilies
8-7-23, 11:25pm
I think it's more like people who are filled with love and compassion, yet derided for adhering to free thought, may be concerned that our state and federal governments are building an infrastructure similar to parts of Europe. Currently in the UK, people have been arrested for silently praying outside abortion clinics. It's apparently a short step from "hate speech" (as defined by authoritarians) and "hate thought", which must be punished by the power of the state.

it is shocking to me every time it is brought home that first amendment rights do not exist in other countries, in civilized western countries, like in the United States. Konstantin Kisin summarized it as: 400 people were arrested in Russia for what they wrote on social media. Do you know how many people were arrested in the UK? 3,000..

Yes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GTn1He86oJk


treasure and protect your free-speech rights, folks. There’s nothing more important.

iris lilies
8-7-23, 11:28pm
You could stop hating certain groups of people for existing? Ldahl’s kid would probably appreciate it if you would would do that.

“hating certain people for existing” is a ridiculous overstatement showing you are neither honest nor sincere in discourse.

bae
8-7-23, 11:49pm
it is shocking to me every time it is brought home that first amendment rights do not exist in other countries, .... Do you know how many people were arrested in the UK? 3,000..



I believe this is one of the reasons the US was founded, back in the day.

We are citizens here, not subjects of the Crown.

For all the good that does us.

LDAHL
8-8-23, 8:39am
You could stop hating certain groups of people for existing? Ldahl’s kid would probably appreciate it if you would would do that.

Ldahl’s kid would appreciate not being reduced to an ideological game piece by any species of culture warrior.

Alan
8-8-23, 9:07am
You could stop hating certain groups of people for existing?
I think these days the term "hate" is a lot like the term "racism", where the demand far exceeds the supply.

frugal-one
8-8-23, 10:07am
I think these days the term "hate" is a lot like the term "racism", where the demand far exceeds the supply.

Something a "true" republican would say.

iris lilies
8-8-23, 11:02am
Those who are so fast to label actions “hate “ think social media is actually real life. So far it is not thank goodness.

Teacher Terry
8-8-23, 1:12pm
Pretty scary that the UK is prosecuting people for what they post on social media and quietly praying at abortion clinics. All are a bridge too far as is Minnesota’s plan.

boss mare
8-9-23, 12:40am
I think it's more like people who are filled with love and compassion, yet derided for adhering to free thought, may be concerned that our state and federal governments are building an infrastructure similar to parts of Europe. Currently in the UK, people have been arrested for silently praying outside abortion clinics. It's apparently a short step from "hate speech" (as defined by authoritarians) and "hate thought", which must be punished by the power of the state.

How about working in the same building as a Planned Parenthood and having "Pro lifers" intimidating not only people trying to get medical help ( abortions were not performed at that particular office) but also patients going to see the dentist ( where I worked) How about Pro lifers calling in bomb threats at the same office, when we did sedation dentistry. The whole block of apartments, restaurants, a veterinary clinic and our building had to be evacated . Is that your idea of free speech? This was in the "Operation Rescue" in the Terry Randall era and his pack of flying monkeys. Have you any idea how scary that is?

iris lilies
8-9-23, 9:21am
How about working in the same building as a Planned Parenthood and having "Pro lifers" intimidating not only people trying to get medical help ( abortions were not performed at that particular office) but also patients going to see the dentist ( where I worked) How about Pro lifers calling in bomb threats at the same office, when we did sedation dentistry. The whole block of apartments, restaurants, a veterinary clinic and our building had to be evacated . Is that your idea of free speech? This was in the "Operation Rescue" in the Terry Randall era and his pack of flying monkeys. Have you any idea how scary that is?

Those experiences are terrible. I am sorry you experienced this.

I Support, everyone in carrying out their right to protest. That means staying on public property, holding signs, chanting, singing, but not impeding the movement of humans or traffic. Certainly bomb threats and real or threatened acts of violence go way beyond acts of free speech.

jp1
8-9-23, 11:22pm
“hating certain people for existing” is a ridiculous overstatement showing you are neither honest nor sincere in discourse.

And ignoring that Alan called the bud light trans woman spokesperson an ugly man shows the same about you.

jp1
8-9-23, 11:28pm
Ldahl’s kid would appreciate not being reduced to an ideological game piece by any species of culture warrior.

He'd probably also appreciate his father calling out people who call trans women ugly men for being the assholes they are. Feel free to ask him his thoughts on the subject and get back to us if I'm wrong.

iris lilies
8-9-23, 11:42pm
And ignoring that Alan called the bud light trans woman spokesperson an ugly man shows the same about you.

Am I allowed to think Dylan Mullaney’s act is dumb and insulting to women without you telling me I hate Ms.Dylan for existing?

jp1
8-10-23, 12:12am
Am I allowed to think Dylan Mullaney’s act is dumb and insulting to women without you telling me I hate Ms.Dylan for existing?

You can think whatever you want. How others like me think about you as a result is out of your control.

iris lilies
8-10-23, 7:56am
You can think whatever you want. How others like me think about you as a result is out of your control.
I agree. What’s that saying? “What others think of me is none of my business.”

I just wish you didn’t share your hatred of others so frequently.

Alan
8-10-23, 8:38am
And ignoring that Alan called the bud light trans woman spokesperson an ugly man shows the same about you.


He'd probably also appreciate his father calling out people who call trans women ugly men for being the assholes they are. Feel free to ask him his thoughts on the subject and get back to us if I'm wrong.

I don't think I ever said Dylan Mulvaney was ugly, although I did express my thought that the character being portrayed seems to be a parody of women. I'm not sure how that translates to "hate" in your mind.

LDAHL
8-10-23, 9:42am
He'd probably also appreciate his father calling out people who call trans women ugly men for being the assholes they are. Feel free to ask him his thoughts on the subject and get back to us if I'm wrong.

I interrupted him this morning while he was slaughtering cattle on Minecraft, so he was in a bit of an aggressive mood. He said there are so many assholes of all sorts ( both attacker and “defender”) saying stupid things, I’d be wasting my limited remaining lifespan calling them all out. He also said the phrase “calling them out” is “so nineties”. He gets some sick pleasure out of calling me old.

So I won’t be wearing your ribbon anytime soon.

flowerseverywhere
8-10-23, 3:10pm
For the party of fiscal responsibility the majority supports a candidate that is costing taxpayers huge amounts of money.

Taxpayer money being spent on Lawyers who have been working on the fake elector/find me votes schemes. The 1/6 riot which was scary at the time but even more scary now seeing what the investigators have uncovered. Classified documents in unsecured locations which were not turned over to the government despite requests and demand cost an enormous amount of money to get them out of Mara Largo to a secure location. .Increased security costs in law enforcement to guard those who have been threatened by Trump, as well as cities where rallies were held. Increased cost of fencing and other barriers. Court costs. FBI investigators, secret service costs, and so on.

The amount of money that has been spent is astronomical and the trials haven't even started yet. Plus many people are fearful for themselves and their families being targeted by kooks who truly believe they are defending a victim by going after his.perceived enemies.

And to think that Taxpayer money could have been spent on our aging bridges, mass transit, increased benefits for veterans for example. Or lowering taxes or shoring up Medicare.

Yppej
8-11-23, 5:12am
I'm late coming back to this thread, and am not going to read all 208 pages of it, but the reason I can't vote Republican is they are all warmongers.

DeSantis tried edging away from funding the Ukraine war, got pounced on, and quickly backtracked.

Vivek, the only one I've seen signs for in NH, wants to stop funding Ukraine but only so he can try to provoke a war with China. Haley is running lots of ads, also rattling sabers at China.

It was very refreshing to hear Kennedy advocate for peace, but digging deeper I found out this is apparently a vanity campaign. There are no attempts to get him on the ballot in Massachusetts. You only need 2,500 signatures which for a Kennedy in this state is nothing. The state campaign manager told me they won't do anything until after NH has its primary. I pointed out that is in 2024 and the Mass deadline is in December 2023 and she blocked my post.

I left the Kennedy groups, took down my yard sign, and sent a message to the Williamson campaign asking if they plan to get on my ballot. No answer yet.

Only D, R and L have primaries in my state and the Libertarians told me they won't have one.

Cornell West is another option for the general election.

catherine
8-11-23, 8:25am
Cornell West is another option for the general election.

I really like Cornell West. I'd have to know more about his platform, but I'd be interested in learning more.

Tybee
8-11-23, 8:33am
That's funny, my son was suggesting him as the only candidate he could think of, too.

frugal-one
8-11-23, 11:11am
5599


From the horse’s mouth!

LDAHL
8-11-23, 11:21am
5599


From the horse’s mouth!

According to Snopes, this is a fake. Tell us again who will believe anything.

frugal-one
8-11-23, 2:44pm
According to Snopes, this is a fake. Tell us again who will believe anything.

Didn't check it out because it is something he would say. Originally he was a democrat so it made sense. But, you are correct, I should have checked it out and it is false.

LDAHL
8-11-23, 4:19pm
Didn't check it out because it is something he would say. Originally he was a democrat so it made sense. But, you are correct, I should have checked it out and it is false.

I think that’s what the media refer to as “too good to check”.

frugal-one
8-11-23, 5:41pm
I think that’s what the media refer to as “too good to check”.

Has nothing to do with the media. trump has said many documented stupid things that were hard to believe. Sadly, nothing he does is surprising any more. We can only hope he gets out of the spotlight soon (no matter how). It was great when he could not twitter and was quieted. I look forward to the day when he is just a memory.

jp1
8-12-23, 4:14am
“hating certain people for existing” is a ridiculous overstatement showing you are neither honest nor sincere in discourse.

Considering that the #3 Republican candidate for president, and your preferred nominee, is literally running a campaign where his entire platform is ‘I hate these groups of people even more than Donald trump’ I question whether you are attempting sincere discourse either.

iris lilies
8-12-23, 2:14pm
Considering that the #3 Republican candidate for president, and your preferred nominee, is literally running a campaign where his entire platform is ‘I hate these groups of people even more than Donald trump’ I question whether you are attempting sincere discourse either.
If you are talking about DeSantisI thought he was #2 in the polls but whatever, that doesn’t matter.

Probably you consider “hateful” laws across the country, including California, that control medical decisions minors can make for themselves. Certainly it varies from state to state and adolescents have more autonomy than five-year-olds, but all in all it is society’s role to protect children. That has existed for a long time, in modern times anyway.

“Protecting children” is a big broad generalization. As is considering those laws “hateful. “

LDAHL
8-12-23, 2:54pm
If you are talking about DeSantisI thought he was #2 in the polls but whatever, that doesn’t matter.

Probably you consider “hateful” laws across the country, including California, that control medical decisions minors can make for themselves. Certainly it varies from state to state and adolescents have more autonomy than five-year-olds, but all in all it is society’s role to protect children. That has existed for a long time, in modern times anyway.

“Protecting children” is a big broad generalization. As is considering those laws “hateful. “

The grievance industrial complex requires an increasingly large supply of “hate” to continue to grow and prosper. Organizations like the SPLC need to dig ever deeper to list groups like PTA moms or the American College of Pediatricians to fuel the industry. The FBI looks at school board dissidents and traditional Catholics as domestic terrorists. Low level state bureaucrats compile lists of accusations for unspecified purposes. More and more people depend on a steady supply of hate for their paychecks.

frugal-one
8-12-23, 3:35pm
The grievance industrial complex requires an increasingly large supply of “hate” to continue to grow and prosper. Organizations like the SPLC need to dig ever deeper to list groups like PTA moms or the American College of Pediatricians to fuel the industry. The FBI looks at school board dissidents and traditional Catholics as domestic terrorists. Low level state bureaucrats compile lists of accusations for unspecified purposes. More and more people depend on a steady supply of hate for their paychecks.

Where are you getting your information?

iris lilies
8-12-23, 3:43pm
Where are you getting your information?
Probably not exclusively from Rachel Maddow.

tell me, has Rachel covered any of these issues?

jp1
8-13-23, 12:19pm
The grievance industrial complex requires an increasingly large supply of “hate” to continue to grow and prosper.

Indeed. I wonder when republicans will realize that being the white grievance party is not a winning strategy with an ever increasingly diverse electorate.

frugal-one
8-13-23, 1:25pm
Probably not exclusively from Rachel Maddow.

tell me, has Rachel covered any of these issues?

What issues? That was his opinion.

Alan
8-13-23, 4:01pm
What issues? That was his opinion.
It wasn't simply his opinion, each scenario he mentioned is real, yet largely ignored by media and Democrats.

frugal-one
8-13-23, 6:20pm
It wasn't simply his opinion, each scenario he mentioned is real, yet largely ignored by media and Democrats.

Again, where are you getting this information?

Alan
8-13-23, 6:50pm
Again, where are you getting this information?
Just about anywhere well informed people congregate, subscribe to, visit, peruse, discuss or lurk. MSNBC, CNN and New York Times excluded of course.

frugal-one
8-13-23, 9:01pm
Just about anywhere well informed people congregate, subscribe to, visit, peruse, discuss or lurk. MSNBC, CNN and New York Times excluded of course.

Ha! So essentially just republican propaganda.

Rogar
8-15-23, 8:30am
My news is calling the Georgia indictments of Trump and company to be the most serious charges, so far. If I understand correctly the state charges could not be pardoned by Trump or his GOP cohorts should they get elected? The grand jury is an interesting process in our legal system. It's hard to picture how it could be politicized.

iris lilies
8-15-23, 8:32am
…The grand jury is an interesting process in our legal system. It's hard to picture how it could be politicized.

Ummm, humans?

And by this I do NOT mean these charges are not warrented.

Rogar
8-15-23, 9:24am
Ummm, humans?

How is a grand jury selected and what efforts are insure they are unbiased or filter out prejudice? I don't know the answer, but I would assume it is not politicized by the DOJ, which has been the accusation in other instances.

Do we assume everything involving people is political.

Tradd
8-15-23, 9:36am
I’m glad the Bad Orange Man was indicted in GA. Was just reading a long article on the timeline last night and damn!

I likely won’t be voting for president next year. I don’t like either offering!

Tybee
8-15-23, 9:58am
So proud of my home state. Go Dawgs!

Teacher Terry
8-15-23, 11:01am
I just wish we had better choices on both sides for president.

Tradd
8-15-23, 1:27pm
I just wish we had better choices on both sides for president.

Tell me about it. No way would I vote for Orange Man again and I will NOT vote for Grandpa Joe. I think he’s clearly too old for the job.

Rogar
8-15-23, 2:42pm
I just wish we had better choices on both sides for president.

I was a little inspired by Obama early on, but my historical perspective has pretty much been picking the lesser of the evils to different degrees. I did like McGovern.

bae
8-15-23, 3:02pm
I just wish we had better choices on both sides for president.

My vote doesn't especially matter in this state. Whoever the Democratic candidate is will carry the state.

JaneV2.0
8-15-23, 3:36pm
I was a little inspired by Obama early on, but my historical perspective has pretty much been picking the lesser of the evils to different degrees. I did like McGovern.

McGovern was largely responsible for the 1977 Dietary Goals for the United States, also known as the "McGovern Report," that pretty much kicked off forty years of increasing obesity, diabetes, and cancer in this country. I believe I once voted for him, and I'm truly sorry.

bae
8-15-23, 3:49pm
Apparently DeSantis' Florida has just approved some PragerU instructional videos for the K-6 classrooms.

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/education/2023-08-11/florida-first-state-approve-prageru-kids-history-blessings-videos-schools

I went and looked at some samples. This is not the Schoolhouse Rock of my youth....

Fun times.

frugal-one
8-15-23, 4:02pm
Tell me about it. No way would I vote for Orange Man again and I will NOT vote for Grandpa Joe. I think he’s clearly too old for the job.

A traitor or someone you consider too old. Come on... if those are the options there is only one choice.

JaneV2.0
8-15-23, 4:22pm
People voted for the doddering and clearly senile Reagan. Of course, he was a Republican--maybe they just had lowered expectations.

Rogar
8-15-23, 4:28pm
McGovern was largely responsible for the 1977 Dietary Goals for the United States, also known as the "McGovern Report," that pretty much kicked off forty years of increasing obesity, diabetes, and cancer in this country. I believe I once voted for him, and I'm truly sorry.

The alternative was Nixon.

I had to look up the McGovern Report. The common take on it is more positive than your experiences, but proper nutrition seems to be a moving target.

JaneV2.0
8-15-23, 5:45pm
Eleven servings of bread or other starchy carbohydrates plus de-emphasizing animal foods set the ball rolling.

But Reagan being his opponent certainly explains my vote.

Rogar
8-15-23, 6:10pm
McGovern ran against Nixon in the 1972 presidential election. Carter and Mondale ran against Reagan in 1980 and 1984. I can always benefit from a history wiki review

Rogar
8-15-23, 7:08pm
Apparently DeSantis' Florida has just approved some PragerU instructional videos for the K-6 classrooms.

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/education/2023-08-11/florida-first-state-approve-prageru-kids-history-blessings-videos-schools


Amazing. If I had school age children this would not be acceptable. I imagine there are alternatives like private schools or home schooling, but it would be temping just to move away.

flowerseverywhere
8-15-23, 8:46pm
Apparently DeSantis' Florida has just approved some PragerU instructional videos for the K-6 classrooms.

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/education/2023-08-11/florida-first-state-approve-prageru-kids-history-blessings-videos-schools

I went and looked at some samples. This is not the Schoolhouse Rock of my youth....

Fun times.

Imagine being a teacher here and having to teach Jesus if you are atheist or Jewish. Or having it taught to your non Christian children.

jp1
8-15-23, 8:56pm
How is a grand jury selected and what efforts are insure they are unbiased or filter out prejudice? I don't know the answer, but I would assume it is not politicized by the DOJ, which has been the accusation in other instances.

Do we assume everything involving people is political.

I’ve only known one person to ever sit on a grand jury. He was called the same as one gets called for regular jury duty. It was a four hour commitment daily for a month or so and paid better than regular jury duty. Since he was a school teacher at the time he viewed it as a nice summer job. That was in New York State but I assume the process is similar most places but that’s just my assumption.

flowerseverywhere
8-15-23, 9:02pm
I read the 98 page indictment today, as I have the others. The story it tells is fascinating in a horrifying way. I had to look some things up, like exactly what RICO really means (as opposed to what I think it means) as well as some of the references.

Ruby Freeman, the election worker in Georgia who Trump accused of stuffing ballot boxes, running ballots through multiple times and so on was put through hell. Not only did they try to tamper with her testimony, they sent people to warn her she was in danger. They talked to her neighbors and some of the operatives travelled from out of state to try to influence her. Also, Giuliani said in one of his speeches she was running around on ballot counting night giving out USB drives like they were heroin or crack. Trump said horrible things about her too. An innocent bystander who had to leave her house and hide, endure death threats and harassment.

Sydney Powell actually paid a company to maintain a server the stolen voter data could be stored on after she breached voting machines.

It truly is so unbelievable our greatest crime writers could not think it up.

I wanted to base my opinions on the actual information, not what the media wants me to think. If half as much effort was put Into actually running the country we'd be the envy of the world.

iris lilies
8-15-23, 9:26pm
Flowers, that is great that you read it, and it saves me reading 98 pages. I accept your summary.

bae
8-15-23, 9:27pm
I wanted to base my opinions on the actual information, not what the media wants me to think. If half as much effort was put Into actually running the country we'd be the envy of the world.

But, at present, a lot of the rest of the world is losing faith in America's ability to self-govern, and you can see it in the ratings agencies and bond markets. This gives me concern for financial stability during my retirement years.

Though, we're still doing better than the Russian ruble :-)

JaneV2.0
8-15-23, 9:44pm
What those two election workers went through probably took years off their lives. I hope they get some recompense and recover their mental and physical health. If the RICO crowd is found guilty, I hope they rot in jail. Soulless bastards.

flowerseverywhere
8-16-23, 4:14am
But, at present, a lot of the rest of the world is losing faith in America's ability to self-govern, and you can see it in the ratings agencies and bond markets. This gives me concern for financial stability during my retirement years.

Though, we're still doing better than the Russian ruble :-)

I could not agree with you more. With the budget stand offs and the 1/6 riots instead of the peaceful transfer of power it certainly does show us in turmoil. The price of housing around me has skyrocketed and as discussed in other threads, homelessness, income disparity, the cost of medical care, dismal education scores, huge student loan and consumer debt, and inflation make us look more and more like a third world country.

As far as retirement, I can say the one thing that lets me sleep at night is zero debt ever. Its cash or go without. My kids are trying to get their houses paid off and luckily are debt averse as well. I cannot imagine young people trying to break into the housing market these days in multiple areas around the country. Plus few have pensions, and if the republicans have their way, future social security benefits, which they are forced to pay into, will be reduced.

flowerseverywhere
8-16-23, 4:19am
Flowers, that is great that you read it, and it saves me reading that eight pages. I accept your summary.

What is amazing is the amount of people involved and how they conspired and were convinced they could actually overthrow the election results. The amount of states they targeted to get them to have a slate of false electors, send things back to the legislatures so they could override the vote and constant propaganda is outlined. They have emails, testimony, documents and so on. I really think everyone should read it because the story it tells does not seem it could happen in an advanced nation.

flowerseverywhere
8-16-23, 6:12am
Also in the news... Rudy Guliani has had to list his 6.5 million dollar condo for sale because of all his legal bills. It is amazing to read about all the good things he did as mayor of NYC, especially in the 9/11aftermath. And look where he is now. Sad.

LDAHL
8-16-23, 9:21am
But, at present, a lot of the rest of the world is losing faith in America's ability to self-govern, and you can see it in the ratings agencies and bond markets. This gives me concern for financial stability during my retirement years.

Though, we're still doing better than the Russian ruble :-)

I see the Russian central bank raised its discount rate to 12% when the ruble fell below one US cent.

I do think many more centrally governed countries overestimate the importance of the US presidency in maintaining economic stability.

bae
8-16-23, 12:27pm
I do think many more centrally governed countries overestimate the importance of the US presidency in maintaining economic stability.

I think the current concerns come from watching the antics of a few childish members of Congress causing the US to nearly go into default.

Presumably there is concern overseas over the Senate holding up military and diplomatic appointments, and the previous government's outright glee in not filling diplomatic positions.

We are no longer the "Exceptional America" that other countries had come to rely upon. For good or bad.

LDAHL
8-18-23, 9:17am
I think the current concerns come from watching the antics of a few childish members of Congress causing the US to nearly go into default.

Presumably there is concern overseas over the Senate holding up military and diplomatic appointments, and the previous government's outright glee in not filling diplomatic positions.

We are no longer the "Exceptional America" that other countries had come to rely upon. For good or bad.

I think that’s true, but when I look at the economic, social and foreign relations positions of the euro or renminbi economies, I don’t see a lot of strength or superior performance.

bae
8-18-23, 10:43am
I think that’s true, but when I look at the economic, social and foreign relations positions of the euro or renminbi economies, I don’t see a lot of strength or superior performance.

That was my point. The US used to be the gold standard, the place of quality where the rest of the world would stash their investments for safety and security. Now we’re Just Another Country.

jp1
8-22-23, 9:17pm
So apparently Abbott felt he had to up the hate game. Sending migrants to Martha’s Vineyard during mild weather wasn’t mean enough. This past weekend he sent a bus load of migrants to LA in the middle of the tropical storm. Since the Republican voting base seems to love them some mean spirited asshole behavior I imagine this will secure his re-election. And unlike real Jesus I imagine Republican Jesus loves this shit.

iris lilies
8-22-23, 9:26pm
So apparently Abbott felt he had to up the hate game. Sending migrants to Martha’s Vineyard during mild weather wasn’t mean enough. This past weekend he sent a bus load of migrants to LA in the middle of the tropical storm. Since the Republican voting base seems to love them some mean spirited asshole behavior I imagine this will secure his re-election. And unlike real Jesus I imagine Republican Jesus loves this shit.
You’re acting like sending some people who illegally jumped the border to a place that welcomes them with open arms and plenty of resources is a bad thing.

Alan
8-22-23, 10:05pm
You’re acting like sending some people who illegally jumped the border to a place that welcomes them with open arms and plenty of resources is a bad thing.
According to at least some of the mayors of self proclaimed sanctuary cities, it is a bad thing. Self aggrandizement is one thing, but living up to the standards they proclaim is quite another.

jp1
8-22-23, 10:12pm
You’re acting like sending some people who illegally jumped the border to a place that welcomes them with open arms and plenty of resources is a bad thing.

Actually I’m acting like people shouldn’t be sent to a city where the residents are told to stay home and stay safe because of an extreme weather event. But by all means continue to justify that ugly jackass. It helps the rest of us better understand what motivates Republican voters.

jp1
8-22-23, 10:35pm
I can only imagine the glee Republican voters will feel when desantis or Abbott sends a bus of immigrants without winter clothing to liberal Minneapolis in January or February. Sad.but whatever. We’re talking about a governor who thought the innkeeper was the hero in the Christmas story.

iris lilies
8-22-23, 10:39pm
I can only imagine the glee Republican voters will feel when desantis or Abbott sends a bus of immigrants without winter clothing to liberal Minneapolis in January or February. Sad.but whatever. We’re talking about a governor who thought the innkeeper was the hero in the Christmas story.
I know that you’re from California, JP, but I can assure you as an upper Midwesterner that the Twin Cities peeps have plenty of winter clothing to give out.

bae
8-22-23, 10:52pm
I think it is sorta cool to use humans as playing pieces in this sort of demented game.

Lets people see who is who...

jp1
8-22-23, 11:14pm
I know that you’re from California, JP, but I can assure you as an upper Midwesterner that the Twin Cities peeps have plenty of winter clothing to give out.

Sweet. Keep justifying his ugly behavior. You just don’t effing get it. Thankfully your perspective is the minority view of Americans.

iris lilies
8-23-23, 8:30am
I think it is sorta cool to use humans as playing pieces in this sort of demented game.

Lets people see who is who...

All snark aside, what is so terrible about busing people to places other than their entry point into the United States? Agreed that during LA’s storm it was not a good time. But in other times, why not? Do you think these immigrants have an expectation that they will stay in Texas? Is that a justified expectation?


St. Louis County was notorious for busing homeless people into my city because my city supposedly had the resources to deal with them. It isn’t a new concept. And no, we did not need more homeless population here but what are ya gonna do.

iris lilies
8-23-23, 9:23am
Oh, and then the church people from the county would storm downtown with their vans, handing out sandwiches and apples to homeless people who would then toss an appreciable amount of it all out into the streets.

I know, because I walked home after these feeding efforts and stepped over all of the litter. But the church people got their feelings stroked, They were good people who did good! And keeping the homeless in the city kept them out of their area.

Teacher Terry
8-23-23, 11:47am
The problem is people need to apply legally to immigrate and as sad as life is for many people we can’t take everyone that wants to come. We have a huge growing homeless population many of which are veterans whose needs aren’t being taken care of. How sad that someone that has served our country finds themselves homeless and probably many of them have ptsd from their service. Just like our individual budgets have limits so does the federal government.

I used to feel more sorry for immigrants until the ones in Europe found themselves in Poland and they had no intention of staying because they knew the services were much better in Germany. Some of the Poles had set them up in apartments and they left in the middle of the night to sneak away. Poland is a poorer country and they must have known this.

It’s a big problem because some of our policies and interference in other countries has caused some of the instability in these countries. Everyone on this board knows that I am very empathetic but we cannot solve the problems by just letting as many people come illegally as they want to. A certain number will enter the country illegally and pick our crops cheaply because we border Mexico and there’s no way to stop them.

LDAHL
8-23-23, 1:07pm
The problem is people need to apply legally to immigrate and as sad as life is for many people we can’t take everyone that wants to come. We have a huge growing homeless population many of which are veterans whose needs aren’t being taken care of. How sad that someone that has served our country finds themselves homeless and probably many of them have ptsd from their service. Just like our individual budgets have limits so does the federal government.

I used to feel more sorry for immigrants until the ones in Europe found themselves in Poland and they had no intention of staying because they knew the services were much better in Germany. Some of the Poles had set them up in apartments and they left in the middle of the night to sneak away. Poland is a poorer country and they must have known this.

It’s a big problem because some of our policies and interference in other countries has caused some of the instability in these countries. Everyone on this board knows that I am very empathetic but we cannot solve the problems by just letting as many people come illegally as they want to. A certain number will enter the country illegally and pick our crops cheaply because we border Mexico and there’s no way to stop them.

That is a humane and practical position to take. The problem is, it isn’t short and smug enough to fit on one of those “in this house we believe” yard signs.

Yppej
8-23-23, 2:48pm
Latest in my city is they want to use taxpayer money to set up a communist farm where immigrants and refugees can grow crops from their native lands, but can never own the land, just work it. And no one born in the US is allowed to use the farm. Trying to stop this is my cause du jour.

catherine
8-23-23, 2:57pm
Latest in my city is they want to use taxpayer money to set up a communist farm where immigrants and refugees can grow crops from their native lands, but can never own the land, just work it. And no one born in the US is allowed to use the farm. Trying to stop this is my cause du jour.

I think it's a romantic idea to have a community of otherwise-shunned people working the land, growing their own food. But I can't see that as being an appealing option for many immigrants and refugees. We think "back to the land" is wonderful, but that's because most of us have never been homesteaders or sharecroppers and we've lived long enough in the "American Dream" to be able to reject it. For better or worse, immigrants and refugees come to America for what they see as freedom to work for all the shiny stuff they believe that we all have--not for more of what they left behind.

bae
8-23-23, 3:00pm
Latest in my city is they want to use taxpayer money to set up a communist farm where immigrants and refugees can grow crops from their native lands, but can never own the land, just work it. And no one born in the US is allowed to use the farm. Trying to stop this is my cause du jour.

I suspect that the people proposing this policy perhaps have never been farmers themselves....

ApatheticNoMore
8-23-23, 4:20pm
You do realize crops are picked by immigrants that don't own the land right?

Yppej
8-24-23, 5:20am
You do realize crops are picked by immigrants that don't own the land right?

Yes, it's a serf mentality. It would make much more sense to offer more funding for first time home land/homebuyimg programs. A lot of refugees in my area came from Communist countries like Vietnam and Cambodia and reject that model.

Yppej
8-24-23, 5:22am
If you needed another reason to not vote Republican, you could have watched last night's pathetic debate.

bae
8-26-23, 2:30pm
The most recent GOP debate.

Watching the folks up their, and considering there words, I do not believe the Republican Party as I knew it even exists anymore.

And so, I am will be able to vote for a Republican candidate, because I don't think there is one.

bae
8-26-23, 3:17pm
DeSantis in the debate:

"...you got to do what you think is right. I believe in a culture of life. ... I'm going to stand on the side of life. "

Also DeSantis in the debate:

"We're going to use force and we're going to leave them stone-cold dead."

flowerseverywhere
8-26-23, 6:17pm
DeSantis in the debate:

"...you got to do what you think is right. I believe in a culture of life. ... I'm going to stand on the side of life. "

Also DeSantis in the debate:

"We're going to use force and we're going to leave them stone-cold dead."

and the party of sanctity of life: the death penalty does not need a unanimous jury

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/application-of-floridas-new-8-4-capital-sentencing-scheme-moves-the-goalposts-and-violates-constitutional-prohibition-on-ex-post-facto-laws

You can’t have a death penalty that could possibly be incorrect.

he also told a story about someone named penny who who survived an abortion attempts. This happened in 1955 and the initial attempt was the father who used a coat hangar

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article278586634.html

Simone
8-26-23, 10:18pm
and the party of sanctity of life: the death penalty does not need a unanimous jury

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/application-of-floridas-new-8-4-capital-sentencing-scheme-moves-the-goalposts-and-violates-constitutional-prohibition-on-ex-post-facto-laws

You can’t have a death penalty that could possibly be incorrect.

he also told a story about someone named penny who who survived an abortion attempts. This happened in 1955 and the initial attempt was the father who used a coat hangar

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article278586634.html

I no longer think DeSantis has a chance of winning the nomination, but this could be a rash assessment brought on by my surprise at his awful performance.
OTOH, I think Haley is carving out a more nuanced stance on abortion. It may serve her. I liked what she said about treating voters like adults and telling them, for example, that they're not going to get 60 votes in the Senate to ban abortion. She seems to be joining a growing number of R's who are willing to join the European nations, setting a Federal limit at 15 weeks - with allowances for maternal health emergencies. But she also reminds us, as do others, that this could be settled state by state.

flowerseverywhere
9-1-23, 4:58am
Here is an interesting article. Florida, like many other red states, puts up big roadblocks to felons who have non violent crimes, and have completed their sentences to regain the right to vote or run for office. Yet if Trump is convicted of a felony it is OK by them.

This is an opinion piece, and you might hate CNN, but the whole issue of amendment 4, and Desantis' role is explained here.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/politics/donald-trump-florida-law-felons-2024-fault-lines/index.html

cx3
9-5-23, 3:51pm
After seeing how Republican DeSantis handled hurricanes vs. Democratic Green handling of wildfires, I'll take DeSantis. Wish he was my Governor.

early morning
9-6-23, 12:11pm
What, specifically, is your beef with Green? He has a lot to contend with, for sure, but he seems to be out there supporting his people. Of course there's a lot of crap being published that isn't true (as per usual), but I've not seen anything that points to his mishandling of the situation. And be fair - DeSantis has had prior hurricane experience, while Hawaiian wildfires of this magnitude are not usual. Just wondering. What do you think DeSantis could do for Indiana, other than ramping up the culture wars?

iris lilies
9-6-23, 12:46pm
What, specifically, is your beef with Green? He has a lot to contend with, for sure, but he seems to be out there supporting his people. Of course there's a lot of crap being published that isn't true (as per usual), but I've not seen anything that points to his mishandling of the situation. And be fair - DeSantis has had prior hurricane experience, while Hawaiian wildfires of this magnitude are not usual. Just wondering. What do you think DeSantis could do for Indiana, other than ramping up the culture wars?

Instances of the mismanagement in Hawaii are out there if you want to read up on it but I am not sure it happened primarily at the state level. The locals did a bang up job in screwing things up including blocking the highway outta the fire. That was just…ummmm.

And yes, .I agree Hawaii was not prepared for this unusual event since it does not happen to them with regularity.

cx3
9-6-23, 4:50pm
What, specifically, is your beef with Green?
I don't have a beef with Green. He's the typical " yes man" politician, like the Governor of Indiana. DeSantis is a "getter done" kind of a guy. I respect that.

cx3
9-6-23, 4:56pm
Just wondering. What do you think DeSantis could do for Indiana, other than ramping up the culture wars?

If you want to see ramping up of the cultural war, look at the stunt Oprah and the Rock tried to pull. The backlash has been massive.
People are finally seeing who the real villains are.

bae
9-6-23, 5:13pm
People are finally seeing who the real villains are.

I think it is pretty clear who the "real villains" are...

frugal-one
9-6-23, 6:16pm
yeah, if I remember correctly Oprah and the Rock were going to donate $10 million dollars… real villains….. Who else is stepping up?

cx3
9-6-23, 7:20pm
yeah, if I remember correctly Oprah and the Rock were going to donate $10 million dollars… real villains….. Who else is stepping up?
Your talking like a true conservative, not like a flaming liberal that I've come to expect from these boards. After all, it's their money right? They have the right to spend and give as they wish.
Oprah net worth around 3.5 billion, the Rock 800 million.

Rogar
9-6-23, 9:25pm
I don't understand why it should be a big deal, but maybe I'm missing something. How many other wealthy public figures didn't do anything at all? I suspect many of them are conservatives.

bae
9-6-23, 11:28pm
Reason #793b: Project 2025.

https://www.project2025.org/

frugal-one
9-7-23, 12:21am
Your talking like a true conservative, not like a flaming liberal that I've come to expect from these boards. After all, it's their money right? They have the right to spend and give as they wish.
Oprah net worth around 3.5 billion, the Rock 800 million.

I was being sarcastic. Ridiculous IMO to give them guff.

frugal-one
9-7-23, 12:25am
Reason #793b: Project 2025.

https://www.project2025.org/

Very good reason not to vote republican!

cx3
9-7-23, 4:19am
frugal-one, I know you were being sarcastic, so was I.
Disclaimer: I've never been to Hawaii, don't know anyone who lives there. And I'm indifferent that 10 million was donated by these two.

The fact remains that social media was not kind to Oprah and the Rock (don't know his real name).Why is this so? My meager understanding is that people are waking up by what they see going on. People from all races, economic classes, political affiliations, etc.This is way bigger than Republican vs Democrat.

Tybee
9-7-23, 6:53am
Reason #793b: Project 2025.

https://www.project2025.org/

If you have not done so, I urge you all to watch the documentary The Family:

Bing Videos (https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=the+family+documentary&mid=3EA9C1A920BE52BF71323EA9C1A920BE52BF7132)

Rogar
9-7-23, 8:07pm
Reason #793b: Project 2025.

https://www.project2025.org/

From the web site,

"The time is short, and conservatives need a plan. The project will create a playbook of actions to be taken in the first 180 days of the new Administration to bring quick relief to Americans suffering from the Left’s devastating policies."

Something similar has come up in discussions I've had with a couple of conservative folks. At least the devastating policy part. I have wondered what exactly is so devastating. Sure, there are differences in policies that may tilt the country's direction one way or the other, but devastating? Employment is strong and the market corporate profits have been decent. We seem to be getting enough migrants to fill in the employment void. Inflation is relatively tame. There have been no loss of lives in wars. Those seem like the main issues that routinely come up as policies of debate. There's no pandemic or financial meltdown, which I might consider devastating. Or climate disasters. So I've been curious of what is so "devastating", real or perception?

iris lilies
9-7-23, 9:47pm
From the web site,

"The time is short, and conservatives need a plan. The project will create a playbook of actions to be taken in the first 180 days of the new Administration to bring quick relief to Americans suffering from the Left’s devastating policies."

Something similar has come up in discussions I've had with a couple of conservative folks. At least the devastating policy part. I have wondered what exactly is so devastating. Sure, there are differences in policies that may tilt the country's direction one way or the other, but devastating? Employment is strong and the market corporate profits have been decent. We seem to be getting enough migrants to fill in the employment void. Inflation is relatively tame. There have been no loss of lives in wars. Those seem like the main issues that routinely come up as policies of debate. There's no pandemic or financial meltdown, which I might consider devastating. Or climate disasters. So I've been curious of what is so "devastating", real or perception?

I might substitute “annoying” for “devastating.” You are aware of hyperbole in political speak, right?
and some actions have launched aspects of our country in the wrong direction.

iris lilies
9-7-23, 9:48pm
Reason #793b: Project 2025.

https://www.project2025.org/


there is a LOT there. I just skimmed a few pages and I can see where you would like it at all.

Rogar
9-7-23, 10:09pm
I might substitute “annoying” for “devastating.” You are aware of hyperbole in political speak, right?
and some actions have launched aspects of our country in the wrong direction.

By my vocabulary, annoying and devastating differ by an order of magnitude or more, and would think that would be the accepted difference beyond just common exaggeration. I'm just wondering what examples of policies this particular version of conservativism deem so dire, like the country is in a spiral of near terminal decay due to left policies. And one reason I'm wondering is because the same degree of extreme policy disaster came up in a few recent discussions and just didn't get to that part of things.

frugal-one
9-7-23, 10:10pm
frugal-one, I know you were being sarcastic, so was I.
Disclaimer: I've never been to Hawaii, don't know anyone who lives there. And I'm indifferent that 10 million was donated by these two.

The fact remains that social media was not kind to Oprah and the Rock (don't know his real name).Why is this so? My meager understanding is that people are waking up by what they see going on. People from all races, economic classes, political affiliations, etc.This is way bigger than Republican vs Democrat.

So what do you perceive to be going on?

LDAHL
9-9-23, 11:14am
I have no problem with people donating cash for disaster recovery; but do they really need to show up in person to preen for the media and use up local resources that may be in short supply?

I have no problem with political leaders expressing support for disaster victims; but do they really need to travel thousands of miles to talk about their kitchen fire?

I get the impression that disasters and their victims often get used as backgrounds and props for public relations purposes. Are they serving as beacons of hope or parasites?

frugal-one
9-14-23, 3:15am
Elan Musk, ultra right wing nut, in the news a lot lately. Scary discussion about him on Maddow Monday. According to the information she was touting and guest speaker, it appears he is in cahoots with Putin and impeding Ukrainians. The US government is supposedly relying on him too much … SpaceX and other ways.

https://www.nbc.com/the-rachel-maddow-show

Alan
9-14-23, 9:40am
Elan Musk, ultra right wing nut, in the news a lot lately. Scary discussion about him on Maddow Monday. According to the information she was touting and guest speaker, it appears he is in cahoots with Putin and impeding Ukrainians. The US government is supposedly relying on him too much … SpaceX and other ways.

https://www.nbc.com/the-rachel-maddow-show
When did it become "ultra right wing" to believe in free speech and being against war? Your link wouldn't take me to the Maddow show you watched but I read somewhere that she took him to task for just that recently so I'll assume I'm on the right track. Did she call him a traitor because he allows his Starlink system to keep Ukraine's civil infrastructure of schools, hospitals, etc., operating free of charge while not allowing its use in the war effort for fear of contributing to a new world war, or did she skip the former and go with the latter?

It's interesting to me to see how the left is gradually re-shaping their world view. When they branded themselves as 'liberal' while espousing illiberal views it was amusing, but during their switch to 'progressive' I can only assume they chose that description because 'fascist' was already taken.

iris lilies
9-14-23, 11:14am
I have no problem with people donating cash for disaster recovery; but do they really need to show up in person to preen for the media and use up local resources that may be in short supply?

I have no problem with political leaders expressing support for disaster victims; but do they really need to travel thousands of miles to talk about their kitchen fire?

I get the impression that disasters and their victims often get used as backgrounds and props for public relations purposes. Are they serving as beacons of hope or parasites?

That was the queen of England’s dilemma with the mining tragedy at Aberfan, Wales. The TV series “the Crown” accurately portrayed the queen‘s dilemma. She thought if she visited the site of the tragedy, her visit would take resources and attention away from the people of the village who experienced that horrible mining accident. She did not visit there immediately, and later that was one of the regrets of her reign.

jp1
9-14-23, 11:55am
What the Starlink debacle in Ukraine shows is that privatizing of critical infrastructure is a bad idea. The US Military needs to build its own low earth orbit satellite network if such a thing is necessary for our defense and the assistance of our allies. Relying on a network owned by a man who has different goals than the US government clearly failed in this case.

frugal-one
9-14-23, 3:01pm
When did it become "ultra right wing" to believe in free speech and being against war? Your link wouldn't take me to the Maddow show you watched but I read somewhere that she took him to task for just that recently so I'll assume I'm on the right track. Did she call him a traitor because he allows his Starlink system to keep Ukraine's civil infrastructure of schools, hospitals, etc., operating free of charge while not allowing its use in the war effort for fear of contributing to a new world war, or did she skip the former and go with the latter?

It's interesting to me to see how the left is gradually re-shaping their world view. When they branded themselves as 'liberal' while espousing illiberal views it was amusing, but during their switch to 'progressive' I can only assume they chose that description because 'fascist' was already taken.

Also, Musk is in direct contact with Putin himself... as he admits. Does that not sound strange that a US citizen should be talking directly Putin? It would behoove you to look up that show. I cannot do the explanation justice.

Alan
9-14-23, 4:48pm
Also, Musk is in direct contact with Putin himself... as he admits. Does that not sound strange that a US citizen should be talking directly Putin? It would behoove you to look up that show. I cannot do the explanation justice.

I consider Rachel Maddow to be a political propagandist who crafts her commentary to suit her audience demographics and doubt that it behooves anyone to seek it out. I prefer listening to people without a brand to sell.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXqTZa6R5Y

frugal-one
9-15-23, 6:24am
The investigative reporter from The New Yorker was interviewed… here is an article he wrote

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule

Again you put your head in the sand…. as you did early on about trump.

Simone
9-15-23, 11:31pm
As with so many things, I think we are too far downstream to ever know what precisely went on. I watched (CNN) Blinken's reluctance and ultimate refusal to agree with Jake Tapper that there should be any repercussions for Musk. Muck refused to activate Starlink far enough to cover Sevastopol. He says he didn't have US gov't. permission to extend coverage to Crimea.

What is true? I agree we all need to pull our heads out of the sand, but then we need to look in all directions.

Everything about Blinken's silence and his body language said to me that we are not being told the whole story.

jp1
9-16-23, 7:14am
Apparently now when republicans don’t like the results of an election the plan is to impeach the election winner without any sort of evidence of wrongdoing. The shitbags in Wisconsin are apparently following in the footsteps of the shitbags in DC. And with the extreme gerrymander in Wisconsin there’s not a damn thing the voters can do to get rid of the unpopular Republican shitbags.

frugal-one
9-16-23, 7:58am
Yes, I voted for the woman you are referring to before I moved. Unfortunately Texas is full of the same.

jp1
9-29-23, 7:52pm
I see that Kevin McCarthy is such a weak speaker of the house that he couldn’t get any spending bill passed, even with the draconian cuts demanded by the ‘burn it all down’ wing of his party.

Alan
9-29-23, 8:05pm
I see that Kevin McCarthy is such a weak speaker of the house that he couldn’t get any spending bill passed, even with the draconian cuts demanded by the ‘burn it all down’ wing of his party.
That's what happens when every Democrat in the House, as well as a few Republicans, votes against your temporary extension of the continuing resolution. I wonder why they want the government to shut down? Is there a political advantage to be had if an entire party refuses to cooperate, perhaps by blaming the other party?

jp1
9-29-23, 8:30pm
Maybe McCarthy should’ve pushed through the broadly bipartisan senate bill that passed. Or done a better job of counting votes so that he wouldn’t look like the sad ass that he is. But if he can’t even get the burners to vote for a bill that included much of their demented wish list he’s just a pathetic failure. Only people truly lost in the maga bubble will believe the silly trump party talking points that it was democrats who caused the shutdown.

Alan
9-29-23, 8:36pm
Only people truly lost in the maga bubble will believe the silly trump party talking points that it was democrats who caused the shutdown.

https://scontent-ord5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/385551380_1280274489343326_1666362748687202055_n.p ng?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=XD6ihbtuUgcAX8xend6&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-1.xx&oh=03_AdRQ0tMEHPwVypGqkUyeqqgjvgITThTMofAXBHRjjVxZ 7A&oe=653ECDC0

jp1
9-29-23, 9:18pm
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LOL. Are you trying to deny that trump is unquestionably the head of your political party? The dude knows he doesn’t even have to show up for the debates since they are actually VP debates. And apparently all of them lost last night since he has stated that he doesn’t know that any of them are worthy of being his VP for the 2024 election.

Alan
9-29-23, 11:50pm
Only people truly lost in the maga bubble will believe the silly trump party talking points that it was democrats who caused the shutdown.
According to CNN, more people blame Biden & the Democrats in Congress than Republicans. Go figure...

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1707826884518510792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1707826884518510792%7Ctwgr% 5E03f3ae2b71c8928f87e2d1806d0fc9d9c7cf4a7e%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fredstate.com%2Fnick-arama%2F2023%2F09%2F29%2Fbiden-thinks-hes-going-to-tage-the-gop-for-govt-shutdown-but-cnns-has-a-big-surprise-for-him-n2164487

jp1
9-30-23, 5:09am
I have no idea the details about that study but if the American public is that out of touch with reality than we deserve to re-elect trump and become a failed country.

My guess though, is that they did a poll that included 1000 republicans and 100 democrats or some such thing in order to get the desired horse race results that all the news organizations want.

The real question we should all be pondering is how did we get to the point where a president who was impeached twice for credible reasons and now under multiple indictments for some of the same credible reasons is not only remotely going to be one of our party’s nominee for President but by far the most likely nominee. There is something terribly broken in our country when 40% of the population enthusiastically supports a candidate of that (lack of) character.

jp1
10-2-23, 9:08pm
“All the currently dry canals [in California] will be brimming and used to irrigate everything, including your own homes and bathrooms and everything. You’re going to be happy, and I’m going to get it done fast. They say that there’s so much water up north that I want to have the overflow areas go into your forests and dampen your forests. Because if you dampen your forests you’re not going to have these forest fires that are burning at levels that nobody’s ever seen before.”

bae
10-3-23, 9:01pm
Andy Biggs of Arizona
Ken Buck of Colorado
Tim Burchett of Tennessee
Eli Crane of Arizona
Matt Gaetz of Florida
Bob Good of Virginia
Nancy Mace of South Carolina
Matt Rosendale of Montana

catherine
10-3-23, 9:16pm
Andy Biggs of Arizona
Ken Buck of Colorado
Tim Burchett of Tennessee
Eli Crane of Arizona
Matt Gaetz of Florida
Bob Good of Virginia
Nancy Mace of South Carolina
Matt Rosendale of Montana

They voted to oust McCarthy... and your point is....?

Alan
10-3-23, 9:41pm
Andy Biggs of Arizona
Ken Buck of Colorado
Tim Burchett of Tennessee
Eli Crane of Arizona
Matt Gaetz of Florida
Bob Good of Virginia
Nancy Mace of South Carolina
Matt Rosendale of Montana
You left out the 208 Democrats. Perhaps they'll be listed in the 'Why Not To Vote Democrat' thread?

bae
10-3-23, 10:23pm
Hilarious.

jp1
10-4-23, 11:17am
I see that one of the first actions taken by the new speaker pro tempore is to make Nancy pelosi and steny hoyer vacate their offices. So glad to see that he’s taking care of the important things first. I suppose next week maybe they’ll get on with the Hunter biden impeachment scam.

catherine
10-4-23, 11:52am
I see that one of the first actions taken by the new speaker pro tempore is to make Nancy pelosi and steny hoyer vacate their offices. So glad to see that he’s taking care of the important things first. I suppose next week maybe they’ll get on with the Hunter biden impeachment scam.

My son, who keeps up with the news, was thrilled with the vote yesterday. But, I reminded him of that famous saying, "The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know." Who knows what will happen next. It depends on who gets in--his adversaries range from Trump supporter to more moderate Republicans, but overall they opposed McCarthy's mishandling of the budget stopgap measures, which was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Alan
10-4-23, 11:55am
I see that one of the first actions taken by the new speaker pro tempore is to make Nancy pelosi and steny hoyer vacate their offices.
I wonder why they were maintaining "hideaway" offices in the Capitol building? I thought they were reserved for Senators.

Rogar
10-4-23, 12:39pm
It's a mystery why the Dems voted him out. Although it's probably some sort of game of thrones logic, the new guy could easily be more conservative, like Jim Jordan or another who would be more aggressive about a government shutdown next time it comes up for a vote.

jp1
10-4-23, 12:40pm
I wonder why they were maintaining "hideaway" offices in the Capitol building? I thought they were reserved for Senators.

Leadership gets offices there. And past leadership has traditionally gotten to keep their offices there.

jp1
10-4-23, 12:50pm
It's a mystery why the Dems voted him out. Although it's probably some sort of game of thrones logic, the new guy could easily be more conservative, like Jim Jordan or another who would be more aggressive about a government shutdown next time it comes up for a vote.

Is it really a mystery? Kevin has done nothing for the Dems. They have bailed him out twice now and he didn’t keep his promises from the first time. How many times did he expect them to keep bailing him out? He was a weak speaker. He deserved to fail so spectacularly. Hopefully next November the rest of the sad sore loser party follows in his and the party’s sad sack leader’s footsteps.

Rogar
10-4-23, 1:25pm
Is it really a mystery? Kevin has done nothing for the Dems. They have bailed him out twice now and he didn’t keep his promises from the first time. How many times did he expect them to keep bailing him out? He was a weak speaker. He deserved to fail so spectacularly. Hopefully next November the rest of the sad sore loser party follows in his and the party’s sad sack leader’s footsteps.

I could subscribe to the be careful what you wish for theory and how a weak speaker could be to the dems advantage. It will at least throw the GOP into chaos for a while.

jp1
10-4-23, 2:41pm
I could subscribe to the be careful what you wish for theory and how a weak speaker could be to the dems advantage. It will at least throw the GOP into chaos for a while.

Yes. The republicans are certainly in disarray currently. I’m not wishing for any of this. Or much of anything the republicans have done since 2016. They were bad enough before then but they have definitely upped their game to assholes on steroids at this point. Unfortunately for all of us rock bottom tends to be a whole lot lower than anyone ever thinks it is so we probably have a while to go before sanity prevails and they rebuild into a respectable political party again.

bae
10-4-23, 2:54pm
Unfortunately for all of us rock bottom tends to be a whole lot lower than anyone ever thinks it is ....

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/211228144847-09-jan-6-capitol-unf-restricted.jpg?q=h_2092,w_3000,x_0,y_0/w_1376

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jp1
10-4-23, 9:59pm
https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/211228144847-09-jan-6-capitol-unf-restricted.jpg?q=h_2092,w_3000,x_0,y_0/w_1376

https://images.wsj.net/im-281823/square

And yet the republicans don’t seem to realize they’ve hit rock bottom. So they probably haven’t. Addiction, in this case to a horrible, destructive party leader, is a terrible thing that gets much worse than rational people can understand. In my life I’ve watched three friends self immolate from addiction. Sadly all three of them only hit rock bottom by dying. I hope the Republican Party realizes they’ve hit bottom before that point because god help our country if they don’t.

jp1
10-7-23, 6:43am
“Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions and insane asylums. We know they’re terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we’re witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It’s poisoning the blood of our country. It’s so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have.”

I realize he needs the Nazi vote to even remotely have a chance of winning but all the non nazi’s still supporting him are going to be judged accordingly by the rest of us.

LDAHL
10-7-23, 10:18am
I see President Biden is waiving a couple of dozen environmental laws to build a border wall in Texas.

jp1
10-7-23, 10:13pm
I see President Biden is waiving a couple of dozen environmental laws to build a border wall in Texas.

I see that failure trump’s party continues to try and deflect from the idiocy and evilness that he espouses.

jp1
10-14-23, 7:16am
At what point will the house republicans realize that not a single one of their members is capable of getting 217 votes from republicans alone? And what will they do about it?

bae
10-14-23, 7:36pm
At what point will the house republicans realize that not a single one of their members is capable of getting 217 votes from republicans alone? And what will they do about it?

It appears to me that the GOP is so deeply dysfunctional at this point that they cannot do their job.

So why would anyone vote for them? Except to watch the world burn?

jp1
10-14-23, 8:04pm
The impression that I get is that a not insignificant minority of them would be happier being the minority party. Then they could scream and yell and all the other performative BS they enjoy without being expected to actually govern.

jp1
10-20-23, 3:07am
I see that the kraken has kracked. I wonder how the traitor formerly known as ‘America’s mayor’ feels about that.

jp1
10-21-23, 3:05am
And now the second of trump’s attorneys who were advising him on the best ways to overthrow the government has pleaded guilty in the Georgia elections case. This one to a felony. Two down, two to go.

Tybee
10-21-23, 7:31am
Finally.

Rogar
10-21-23, 10:01am
And now the second of trump’s attorneys who were advising him on the best ways to overthrow the government has pleaded guilty in the Georgia elections case. This one to a felony. Two down, two to go.

The news I'm getting says they are taking a lenient sentence or order to flip on Trump. That should be interesting.

jp1
10-21-23, 10:34am
The news I'm getting says they are taking a lenient sentence or order to flip on Trump. That should be interesting.

That makes sense. It probably also will help with convincing the lower level folks that participated in the conspiracy, such as the fake electors who’ve been indicted, to realize that holding out for a trial where conviction is a strong possibility is probably not in their best interest.

jp1
10-24-23, 12:18pm
And now we learn that the leader of the republican party shared top military secrets with an Australian man who has spent a ton of money on trump's businesses (he only became a member at Mra A Lago after trump became president) but has since spent literally millions of dollars at Mar a Lago and elsewhere) and that that man then shared those secrets with dozens of others.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/22/us/politics/anthony-pratt-donald-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.5Ew.xr7J.mRiwK8 LX7tDE&smid=url-share

jp1
10-24-23, 8:23pm
It would have been so awesome, from a literary standpoint, if Chesbro had been the last of trump’s loser attorneys to plea because ‘the Ches stands alone’ has a nice ring. Much better than ‘the runny hair dye guy stands alone’. But to paraphrase some other Republican asshole ‘you don’t get to mock the people who failed to destroy the country with the literary references you want, you have to mock them with the stupidity they decide to share with you.’

I wish Giuliani the best of health in prison so he can spend a long time there. And a supplier of alcohol so he doesn’t have to go through the DT’s.

jp1
10-25-23, 11:52am
And now I see that when republicans call a press conference they will boo rather than answer difficult questions. Such sad, thin skinned losers. All of them. Maybe if they don't want to face difficult questions about trying to overthrow the government they should, um, not try to overthrow the government.

Alan
10-25-23, 3:10pm
And now I see that when republicans call a press conference they will boo rather than answer difficult questions. Such sad, thin skinned losers. All of them. Maybe if they don't want to face difficult questions about trying to overthrow the government they should, um, not try to overthrow the government.
Maybe it's because the question included the description of Johnson as an election denier for doing the same thing Jeffries and countless other Democrats did after the 2016 election. The double standard is annoying enough coming from partisans but doubly so when the supposedly non-partisan media does it.

jp1
10-25-23, 4:30pm
Countless other democrats voted to not certify the 2016 election? I guess I don’t remember that. Probably because it didn’t ****ing happen.

Alan
10-25-23, 4:52pm
Countless other democrats voted to not certify the 2016 election? I guess I don’t remember that. Probably because it didn’t ****ing happen.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/sep/21/lee-zeldin/house-democrats-have-objected-presidential-electio/

early morning
10-25-23, 5:03pm
From Alan's source info:

Some Democrats filed objections in 2001, 2005, and in 2017, following elections that Republicans won. But the circumstances were different from those in 2021. In the earlier years, the losing candidate had already conceded. After the 2020 election, Trump was trying to overturn the election, and he had met with some House Republicans to further that goal. In the previous years, not even the losing candidates were seeking to overturn the results. The objections were more symbolic than the 2021 effort to block the election results. In 2021, the objections could have overturned the presidential election.

So even Alan's article agrees that the circumstances and the potential outcome in the 2020 certification were entirely different. While in all instances, it seems those in Congress had the legal ability to challenge/not certify, for the Democrats, it was a protest that they knew was going nowhere, as the Democratic contenders had all acknowledged their loss (due to the electoral college only - they DID win the popular vote, unlike Trump). Those who voted to not certify, after Jan 6th, knew that what they were doing was perpetrating a fraud, and was an attempt to subvert our democracy and electoral process. And "countless" d(D)emocrats? that really seems a stretch.

Alan
10-25-23, 5:40pm
From Alan's source info:


So even Alan's article agrees that the circumstances and the potential outcome in the 2020 certification were entirely different. While in all instances, it seems those in Congress had the legal ability to challenge/not certify, for the Democrats, it was a protest that they knew was going nowhere, as the Democratic contenders had all acknowledged their loss (due to the electoral college only - they DID win the popular vote, unlike Trump). Those who voted to not certify, after Jan 6th, knew that what they were doing was perpetrating a fraud, and was an attempt to subvert our democracy and electoral process. And "countless" d(D)emocrats? that really seems a stretch.

You have to dig a little deeper to get the full gist of this leg of the conversation. The incident mentioned in post #2220 where Johnson was labeled as an election denier had to do with an amicus brief he signed requesting judicial review of election results in 4 states following the 2020 election. The basis for the requested review was that those 4 states changed the voting rules without the approval of their state legislatures, which was a fact and a valid reason to request review in order to ensure election integrity.

As for the claim that Democrats did not vote to object to certification of the election, which we know is demonstrably false and is the basis of my factcheck, whether or not the loser had conceded the race is irrelevant. The relevant issue is that those Republican objections to the 2020 election were disallowed by the President of the Senate (Mike Pence) just as the Democratic objections to the 2016 election were disallowed by the then President of the Senate (Joe Biden).

Unfortunately, since the latest election, everything less than tacit acceptance of reported results has been labeled as election denialism by the media and even "attempts to overthrow the government" by partisans. Of course, those descriptions will change the next time a Republican wins the Presidency.

jp1
10-25-23, 7:04pm
And yet the entire republican party apparatus, including 3/4 of the republicans in the house who voted not to certify the election in 2020, were involved in the effort to overthrow the government. I'm sorry you lack the capacity to see the difference between that and waht happened in 2016. You can keep going Alan but literally no one outside the maga bubble buys the BS.

And even today the new traitor in charge of the house can't answer simple questions about the 2020 election. It doesn't give me much confidence that he will make any effort to uphold his constitutional duty come January 2025.

Alan
10-25-23, 7:19pm
And yet the entire republican party apparatus, including 3/4 of the republicans in the house who voted not to certify the election in 2020, were involved in the effort to overthrow the government. I'm sorry you lack the capacity to see the difference between that and waht happened in 2016. You can keep going Alan but literally no one outside the maga bubble buys the BS.

And even today the new traitor in charge of the house can't answer simple questions about the 2020 election. It doesn't give me much confidence that he will make any effort to uphold his constitutional duty come January 2025.
LOL, I wonder if the ability to debate using facts will die out completely with we boomers?

jp1
10-25-23, 7:30pm
LOL, I wonder if the ability to debate using facts will die out completely with we boomers?

Apparently it already has with diehard magas.

Rogar
10-25-23, 7:52pm
And even today the new traitor in charge of the house can't answer simple questions about the 2020 election. It doesn't give me much confidence that he will make any effort to uphold his constitutional duty come January 2025.

I saw two examples of that in the evening news. It seems that Trump is still running the GOP even out of office. No one wants to be on the receiving end of Trump's wrath regardless of transparency to the American public . I was at least entertained by his fine for violating his gag order for the second time. After his testimony the judge said Trump was not a credible witness, even under oath.

jp1
10-25-23, 10:23pm
I saw two examples of that in the evening news. It seems that Trump is still running the GOP even out of office. No one wants to be on the receiving end of Trump's wrath regardless of transparency to the American public . I was at least entertained by his fine for violating his gag order for the second time. After his testimony the judge said Trump was not a credible witness, even under oath.

I’ve attempted to share here a solid legal scholar’s opinions about what’s going on with trump legally. Alan has ignored those posts entirely. Iris lily has poo poo’d them because she doesn’t like Marcy’s attitude. All I can conclude from that is that they don’t actually give an eff about actually engaging. Not surprising since Alan has made it quite clear that he doesn’t think a Republican politician can ever do anything wrong and iris has made it clear that she’s not interested in details and finds them tiresome if they don’t fit her preconceived notion of the world.

iris lilies
10-26-23, 6:44am
I’ve attempted to share here a solid legal scholar’s opinions about what’s going on with trump legally. Alan has ignored those posts entirely. Iris lily has poo poo’d them because she doesn’t like Marcy’s attitude. All I can conclude from that is that they don’t actually give an eff about actually engaging. Not surprising since Alan has made it quite clear that he doesn’t think a Republican politician can ever do anything wrong and iris has made it clear that she’s not interested in details and finds them tiresome if they don’t fit her preconceived notion of the world.

what? I don’t even remember commenting on anything to do with a Trump legal charge.

Alan
10-26-23, 7:16am
I’ve attempted to share here a solid legal scholar’s opinions about what’s going on with trump legally. Alan has ignored those posts entirely. Iris lily has poo poo’d them because she doesn’t like Marcy’s attitude. All I can conclude from that is that they don’t actually give an eff about actually engaging. Not surprising since Alan has made it quite clear that he doesn’t think a Republican politician can ever do anything wrong and iris has made it clear that she’s not interested in details and finds them tiresome if they don’t fit her preconceived notion of the world.
If I don't respond to one of your posts regarding Trump's legal problems it's because I don't feel his issues reflect on myself or other Republicans I know, regardless of your attempts to fit us all into a MAGA box. Plus, I don't know who Marcy is or what her opinions may be, and frankly don't really care enough to search this incredibly long thread to see how you've presented them. Sorry.

Please don't take it personally if I don't engage on your every post, although I'll gladly do so whenever I feel one may benefit from additional context or a differing opinion. Pinky Swear!

jp1
11-4-23, 4:45am
Reason number 5,452. The new speaker of the house doesn’t have bank accounts. As the party’s leader might say, “people are saying that Mike Johnson doesn’t have bank accounts because he’s got sugar daddies that pay all his bills, like we’ve learned that Clarence Thomas does.”

But more seriously (after all, no one actually expects republicans to be honest in their financial disclosures anymore) it will be interesting to see if he’s capable or interested in moving beyond his status as a loser back bencher who just likes to do pointless performative BS to please the maga base. The pointless first bill he got passed, that even his Republican colleagues in the senate will absolutely not support, is not encouraging. I put the odds that he’s incapable of keeping the government open in a few weeks at about 98%.

jp1
11-11-23, 9:31am
“If I happen to be president and I see somebody who’s doing well and beating me very badly, I say, ‘Go down and indict them.'

Donald Trump.

Rogar
11-12-23, 10:25am
I've lost track Of Donald's legal battle and recently ran across a summary. It would be interesting to see a list of his inner circle who have been indited or convicted. That could be a long list. I have had short discussions with conservatives who say the judicial system is rigged against him.

"...facing charges in Washington, D.C., for his attempts to remain in power after losing the 2020 election; in Georgia for attempting to overturn the state’s 2020 election results; in New York for an alleged hush money scheme to keep an affair quiet; and in Florida for his retention and handling of classified materials after leaving the White House.

...the New York fraud case, where prosecutors are alleging decades of fraud by Trump and his businesses, that the former president by all accounts is taking especially personally. The case strikes at the heart of Trump’s reputation as a savvy deal-maker and wealthy businessman, which helped propel him into a successful run for the White House in 2016. "

frugal-one
11-12-23, 10:28am
republicans trying to cancel the people’s vote in OH and MI … regarding abortion…
trying to upend democracy IMO.

Looks like republicans will again try to shutdown the government by not voting to pay its obligations and making demands. Disgusting IMO. Can no longer understand how anyone can vote republican!!

Rogar
11-12-23, 11:32am
My state and maybe a couple of others are in a legal battle to not allow his name on the primary ballot and possibly the nationals. I don't hold much hope, but maybe.

jp1
11-14-23, 6:04am
“We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections,”

Donald J Trump, Hitler wannabe.

If that shitbag gets re-elected just wait for the extermination camps for democrats and Liz Cheney the only honorable Republican still alive.

jp1
11-20-23, 1:11pm
Reason 5,453. The Ohio Republican legislature has decided that the concept of constitutional rights is meaningless now that the voters have amended the constitution in a way that the legislature does t approve.

jp1
11-23-23, 12:18pm
Found the voter fraud. And yet again it's a republican who wanted her husband to win by "any means possible."

https://wapo.st/49KYSsb

iris lilies
11-23-23, 5:06pm
Found the voter fraud. And yet again it's a republican who wanted her husband to win by "any means possible."

https://wapo.st/49KYSsb

wait— you mean there’s voter fraud? I didn’t think you were concerned about that.

jp1
11-23-23, 11:29pm
wait— you mean there’s voter fraud? I didn’t think you were concerned about that.

I’m very concerned about voter fraud. Since it seems to be shitty republicans doing all the frauding. Not that that’s a surprise. .

jp1
11-24-23, 6:39pm
So much for the idea of republicans defending the first amendment. The second in line of succession to the presidency is one of those republicans that hate the first amendment.



“The ultimate goal of the enemy is silencing the Gospel," the Republican said in 2004 after Jewish parents sued a school for pushing Christianity on their kids.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-christianity-public-schools_n_65565dfce4b0998d699f5f0d

jp1
11-28-23, 3:58pm
I'm so confused. For months now Republicans in the house have been pushing a story that Hunter Biden needs to be impeached. So they subpeonaed him to come testify before the House Oversight Committee. Yet when he agreed to do so James Comer got all bent out of shape that Hunter has the nerve to insist that the deposition be held publicly. Makes one wonder what it is that Comer is hiding. Perhaps that the Republicans have zero evidence that Hunter did anything to warrant impeachment and will end up looking even more like fools than they already do?

Alan
11-28-23, 4:12pm
I'm so confused. For months now Republicans in the house have been pushing a story that Hunter Biden needs to be impeached..........Perhaps that the Republicans have zero evidence that Hunter did anything to warrant impeachment and will end up looking even more like fools than they already do?

You're probably confused because Hunter Biden is not a public servant holding a position within the government and therefore cannot be impeached. As for his request that his congressional deposition in his father's impeachment inquiry be held in public, I'm not sure depositions are generally handled that way. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

bae
11-28-23, 4:56pm
I went over to the island where our county seat is this morning, through some very very thick fog. At one point I hid out in a small cove until I heard the ferry's horn, and could detect its wake, then snuck out and following in the wake of the ferry, until it finally popped out into the open about 8 miles later.

I was visiting the County Canvassing Board, which was having the election certification meeting this morning. It was fascinating to watch, and I was impressed with the care and diligence that they had applied to every single ballot. After they were done, they gave me a tour of the system/process they use for verification and auditing, and it was pretty darned solid.

Then they handed me my certificate, and I walked it across the street to the Courthouse and got sworn into office ASAP. Took our wee boat back, headed to the fire department district offices, and handed in my credentials and those of my just-elected co-conspirators. Called a special meeting for tomorrow to Make The Fire Department Great Again :-)

Go go democracy!

https://i.imgur.com/ISAGTfD.jpg

Rogar
11-28-23, 5:03pm
I think correctly stated the GOP is on a fishing expedition with Hunter hoping they will uncover something on Joe, maybe influence peddling, or something like that. My understanding is that they've come up with a big goose egg of anything meaningful on Joe so far, but are still pressing the issue as part of their political theater. It doesn't seem like even their cohorts in the GOP are in favor of all of this. Maybe it gives Jim Jordan something to do and he does have a way of twisting the truth.

(Nice photo!)

Alan
11-28-23, 5:12pm
I think correctly stated the GOP is on a fishing expedition with Hunter hoping they will uncover something on Joe, maybe influence peddling, or something like that.
Sure, that's exactly what they're looking for. The possibility of influence peddling by Joe is hard to prove because it's done through an intermediary, Hunter. It's interesting that the only American hostage yet to be released by Hamas is the great niece of an art patron who didn't buy overpriced art from Joe, but did from Hunter. Hmmm!

Rogar
11-28-23, 5:28pm
Sure, that's exactly what they're looking for. The possibility of influence peddling by Joe is hard to prove because it's done through an intermediary, Hunter. It's interesting that the only American hostage yet to be released by Hamas is the great niece of an art patron who didn't buy overpriced art from Joe, but did from Hunter. Hmmm!

I honestly hope that any wrongdoing will come to light. Hunter is a piece of work. I do wonder if the Humas could have been listening to Tucker Carlson, although that does seem a bit odd?

I don't think Donald has a monopoly on shady politicians, he's just the worst that I/we know of. It makes sense to me to create a counter drama, true or not, to take the spotlight off of Donald.

jp1
11-28-23, 10:22pm
You're probably confused because Hunter Biden is not a public servant holding a position within the government and therefore cannot be impeached. As for his request that his congressional deposition in his father's impeachment inquiry be held in public, I'm not sure depositions are generally handled that way. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Considering how often his father is mentioned by house republicans in relation to their questions about hunter biden forgive me for the confusion. It's those republicans that seem to think Hunter is a public official. Nonetheless, I doubt Hunter is going to appear before congress since Gym Jordan and others who actually are government officials have taught us that congressional subpeonas are optional. I hadn't realized that detail about subpeonas being optional until a few years ago, but I'm always eager to learn new things.