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Don’t you work from home?
Even if that was the case, how would it be relevant?
Don’t you work from home?
Even if that was the case, how would it be relevant?
With an extremely infectious pandemic raging it would be at best tone deaf for someone who works from home to be speaking out against people who don’t have that luxury who don’t want to put themselves and their families at risk.
The Chicago teachers are a bunch of entitled idiots. They think they can choose not to work? Then they should get fired. Health care professionals and grocery store workers don’t get to pick and choose, among many others.
My partner is an elementary school teacher, in their 50s. They are doing in-person teaching. Their district is doing very low levels of somewhat-disorganized testing. The classroom setups are "reasonable" with airflow and distancing of desks, but it is near-impossible to keep 4th-graders from mingling in ways contrary to the guidelines. The teachers themselves are provided with several quick lateral-flow tests a week. My partner's classroom. has had several outbreaks requiring quarantining/isolation protocols. So far my partner has managed to avoid infection, and hasn't infected their own family, or mine. The school district is in one of the worst counties in the state for covid statistics.
My own school district has gone back to remote learning after the New Year, when our much-more-intensive covid testing program at the school district revealed a wildfire-like spread among the kids and families. My county has the best statistics in the state, and generally in the nation. We've still had outbreaks at the school during the first half of the school year, even with our precautions.
I think the problem is perhaps a bit more complex than "a bunch of entitled idiots".
The CTU is going about it the wrong way which is pissing off a lot of people.
Parents were notified of the first day with no school very late the night before. They could have filed a grievance and so parents would have had some notice. Apparently legally, the mayor can’t just say “we’re going remote.” Chicago has an appointed school board, not elected. Goes back decades. Mayor runs the schools.
With an extremely infectious pandemic raging it would be at best tone deaf for someone who works from home to be speaking out against people who don’t have that luxury who don’t want to put themselves and their families at risk.
Do you need to have worn a badge to criticize the police?
My partner is an elementary school teacher, in their 50s. They are doing in-person teaching. Their district is doing very low levels of somewhat-disorganized testing. The classroom setups are "reasonable" with airflow and distancing of desks, but it is near-impossible to keep 4th-graders from mingling in ways contrary to the guidelines. The teachers themselves are provided with several quick lateral-flow tests a week. My partner's classroom. has had several outbreaks requiring quarantining/isolation protocols. So far my partner has managed to avoid infection, and hasn't infected their own family, or mine. The school district is in one of the worst counties in the state for covid statistics.
My own school district has gone back to remote learning after the New Year, when our much-more-intensive covid testing program at the school district revealed a wildfire-like spread among the kids and families. My county has the best statistics in the state, and generally in the nation. We've still had outbreaks at the school during the first half of the school year, even with our precautions.
I think the problem is perhaps a bit more complex than "a bunch of entitled idiots".
I think the “entitled idiots” comes from a union deciding on short notice that they can dictate the mode of learning. I think the Mayor is right not to pay them if they don’t show up.
We get Covid status emails from the superintendent and the rates have been climbing. Last report was 8 staff and 22 positives, and they stopped sharing the "quarantine" numbers. With two night and two day custodians per school (middle and elementary), we currently are down one custodian per school. Apparently they were also down a lunch person yesterday and there was NO ONE in the cafeteria to hand out 8th grade lunches!!! Big mess, but a custodian saw the situation, used his walkie and THREE administrators showed up. Funny how it took 3 administrators to do the work of 1 regular lunch person. LOL.
Anyway, waiting to see if we go virtual here soon or not.
Went into work last night (after posting the above) and was asked to come in early today as both the elementary and middle school were doing a "virtual learning" day. No students or teachers in the classrooms today.
iris lilies
1-11-22, 2:50pm
DH may have COVID-19.
Yesterday morning he woke up after coughing in the night and he had a temperature of 100.2
As is our agreement, he went to Hermann to recover. He is not vaccinated and he doesn’t get to infect me unnecessarily if he has a case of it. He is reporting his temperature to me twice a day. Mornings and evenings. He has food in Hermann for several days. I will probably take him frozen meals in about three days so that he doesn’t go into restaurants and he has something varied to eat.
Now I’m sitting here waiting to see if I was infected. He was home briefly on Sunday night, he slept in a separate bedroom from me, and got up Monday morning. He hung around while we talked about his options, I made him lunch, and then he took off for Hermann. The highly infectious Omicron strain could’ve infected me in this brief time, so we shall see.
This morning when he called to give me his health report his temperature was down to 98°. That is a positive sign but only a small step forward.
iris lilies
1-11-22, 2:57pm
Gosh this is a time where I would love to have a COVID-19 home test, but they are impossible to get. Funny I thought only Donald Trump was the one who kept tests out of the hands of The People and now I don’t know who to blame since we’re not allowed to place any blame at the feet of Democrats in the White House.
i ordered a COVID-19 home test on January 1, 4 of them. They are not cheap. But they won’t be here for weeks so No go.
ApatheticNoMore
1-11-22, 3:00pm
Probably should be testing oxygen with a pulse oximeter.
To avoid restaurants just get food delivery. Door dash etc. are great. Grocery delivery also.
iris lilies
1-11-22, 3:13pm
Probably should be testing oxygen with a pulse oximeter.
To avoid restaurants just get food delivery. Door dash etc. are great. Grocery delivery also.
Yes, the oxygen tester I ordered on January 1 arrives tomorrow. But those are also in stock locally so I might swing by a Walgreens and pick one up and deliver it to him if/when I take food.
There is no DoorDash in Hermann. There is no delivery service in Hermann. The best he can do is call ahead and place a carry out order and pick it up from the curb. I did that a couple times in spring 2020.
Fortunately, the men working on our Hermann house are working outside. DH lives in the basement since there’s absolutely nothing on the first and second floors of our house, no bathrooms no kitchen no furniture —nothing. He is not exposing anyone there.
The oximeter is a great little device. When you have any kind of respiratory illness, it helps identify whether your oxygen level is stable. Sometimes it can be hard to tell when coughing and feeling crappy. I always carry mine due to asthma.
The oximeter is a great little device. When you have any kind of respiratory illness, it helps identify whether your oxygen level is stable. Sometimes it can be hard to tell when coughing and feeling crappy. I always carry mine due to asthma.
Practice with using it a fair bit while you are healthy. Readings can fluctuate noticeably even when everything is normal, so get a good idea ahead of time, so you aren't alarmed when you try to use it when you suspect illness.
The acting head of the FDA said today pretty much everyone is going to get covid. If you are fearful best to move to a cave.
rosarugosa
1-11-22, 4:30pm
I'm sorry, IL. I hope you don't get it and that your DH makes a good recovery.
The acting head of the FDA said today pretty much everyone is going to get covid. If you are fearful best to move to a cave.
The key, of course, is to manage the impact so it doesn't overwhelm things.
We had to medevac several mass casualty auto accidents this last week. It was difficult to find ICU beds. One person I suspect will die because of delays and a swamped medical system, even though we had him in the chopper within minutes of the accident, and likely in normal times would have survived and lived a productive life. He is 27, and they'll probably pull the plug on him soon. They need his ventilator.
Oh dear Iris Lily, what rotten news. It sounds like you did everything you could have. You're right, though--if it was Omicron, you may be infected. With luck, your case will be asymptomatic or mild, if you do get it. And I'm hoping for the best outcome for your husband.
Yes--what the hell is with the no-test situation?? I agree that at this point, blaming only Trump is foolish. He kicked off the "don't test, don't tell" idiocy, but why continue it? The price of the home kits alone precludes a lot of people from getting checked.
Yes--what the hell is with the no-test situation?? I agree that at this point, blaming only Trump is foolish. He kicked off the "don't test, don't tell" idiocy, but why continue it? The price of the home kits alone precludes a lot of people from getting checked.
In the UK for ages now, you have been able to get free 7-packs of lateral flow test kits from the NHS, either mailed to your home or picked up at local pharmacies or collection points. I think there's a limit, like 3 7-packs a day, per person in your household....
frugal-one
1-11-22, 5:50pm
Jesus H Christ. I am having a hard time feeling sorry for the unvaccinated. (Sorry for you IL and hope your DH has a mild case.). All the warnings… and now others will die because they are taking needed beds. Time to say, if you don’t get vaccinated, you don’t get a bed if needed.
iris lilies
1-11-22, 5:51pm
Jesus H Christ. I am having a hard time feeling sorry for the unvaccinated (sorry for you IL). All the warnings… and now others will die because they are taking needed beds. Time to say, if you don’t get vaccinated, you don’t get a bed if needed.
This is a sentiment I have some sympathy for, Despite my personal situation. Decisions have consequences.
Time to say, if you don’t get vaccinated, you don’t get a bed if needed.
That seems a bit much. There are still people who are unvaccinated because they are in underserved communities, or have PEG / polysorbate allergies. There are also people who are just victims of their own echo-chamber political views/social media/news sources.
I mean, we provide high-quality emergency/trauma care to all sorts of people with lifestyle issues. I cut people out of cars pretty frequently who drove while drunk, and crashed. And get them to the regional trauma care center within the "golden hour". If we were getting all judgy about lifestyle choices, we'd just clear the road and let them bleed out in a ditch, but that hardly seems humane.
Jesus H Christ. I am having a hard time feeling sorry for the unvaccinated.
I feel terribly sorry that they are unwitting victims to deliberate misinformation and conspiracy-theory mongering. It is shameful.
This foolishness kills people.
iris lilies
1-11-22, 6:08pm
That seems a bit much. There are still people who are unvaccinated because they are in underserved communities, or have PEG / polysorbate allergies. There are also people who are just victims of their own echo-chamber political views/social media/news sources.
I mean, we provide high-quality emergency/trauma care to all sorts of people with lifestyle issues. I cut people out of cars pretty frequently who drove while drunk, and crashed. And get them to the regional trauma care center within the "golden hour". If we were getting all judgy about lifestyle choices, we'd just clear the road and let them bleed out in a ditch, but that hardly seems humane.
Yeah, I don’t see placing the burden of passing treatment by on the backs of medical personnel in an emergency situation, but they are in fact doing triage whether we like it or not.
I would rather see a financial element come to pass, something like insurance companies refusing to pay for any hospital stay having to do with Covid. I suppose that’s not doable either though for many reasons I wouldn’t understand being pretty far away from it.
I vaguely remember hearing of insurance companies raising rates for the unvaccinated.
I would rather see a financial element come to pass, something like insurance companies refusing to pay for any hospital stay having to do with Covid. I suppose that’s not doable either though for many reasons I wouldn’t understand being pretty far away from it.
I think you'd have to craft financial incentives fairly carefully. People's discount-rate for future Bad Things often is incorrectly calculated. I suspect a before-the-Bad-Thing penalty would be more effective at shaping behaviour, along with some rewards.
If you simply bankrupt them after they get covid, the hospitals/healthcare system will still end up writing off/eating a lot of the cost, and the now-bankrupt covid survivor will go on to be an additional drain on society as they access social support services.
Perhaps this is why the NHS in the UK quite prudently spends the money up-front on test kits and stuff, since the NHS gets stuck with the bill for the sick people.
I spent 1.5 hours in a very long line of cars today to get a Covid test. Me and K have been very careful, we don't go out much at all, and wear double masks when we do. But we went to Albuquerque on Saturday to get some art supplies, and went into the co-op to grab some sandwiches to eat in the car, and then I dropped off new work to one of my galleries. Yesterday I started feeling a bit punky with sinus pressure, a very slight scratchy throat, a headache, diarrhea...this morning after I did the house chores of bringing in wood, dumping the stove ashes and compost and sweeping up the floor, I felt strangely light-headed and slightly out of breath. When I called my local clinic, they faxed over a requisition to the testing site (the only way to get a test around here). It is impossible to find test kits in the stores anyway, and I didn't want to be going in and out of places anyway.
So I will find out in 72 hours; at least my calendar is blank for the next two weeks, being that I am still unemployed. I am really grateful (and lucky) I can laze about the
house while I am waiting. I had already ordered groceries online and picked them up yesterday so we are pretty set. I am hearing that a number of people around my general area have it. I am so glad I cancelled my trip to Michigan last week for my Mom's 90th birthday; hours after I cancelled the flights (thank god I bought trip insurance), the airlines cancelled the flights anyway. I was supposed to be returning from Michigan today, and just read that many, many flights were being cancelled from lack of staff. I wouldn't have wanted to be trapped there, unable to find a flight!
A veterinarian friend of ours just got her test results and they were.............inconclusive. She needs to get dressed again and go back for another test.
So sorry to hear this iris and Siouzq. Hope that everyone have minor cases and recover quickly.
Teacher Terry
1-11-22, 11:43pm
So sorry IL and SQ. I hope everyone is okay.
happystuff
1-11-22, 11:50pm
Hope everyone waiting is negative! And sorry about your dh, il.
As for tests, stores in my area reported really high sales/selling out from before Christmas through to the new year. I think we, the general public, created the shortage. First it was toilet paper and now covid tests.
In stock tests. Available in sizeable quantities, 2-3 day delivery time to remote islands:
https://www.vitalitymedical.com/intrivo-on-go-covid-test.html
iris lilies
1-12-22, 12:32am
In stock tests. Available in sizeable quantities, 2-3 day delivery time to remote islands:
https://www.vitalitymedical.com/intrivo-on-go-covid-test.html
thanks!!!! I ordered a box, 2 tests. Probably not enough, but I want to see if they really arrive before ordering more.
i appreciate this very much.
thanks!!!! I ordered a box, 2 tests. Probably not enough, but I want to see if they really arrive before ordering more.
i appreciate this very much.
I've ordered boring medical supplies from them in the past and got prompt delivery. This pointer just arrived in my mail about an hour ago, so they must have a stash.
In stock tests. Available in sizeable quantities, 2-3 day delivery time to remote islands:
https://www.vitalitymedical.com/intrivo-on-go-covid-test.html
I ordered that one through Amazon on Jan. 3 and just got it yesterday, the 11th. I thought I heard that insurance or at least someone is supposed to reimburse for up to 8 kits, but haven't checked on the details.
I thought I heard that insurance or at least someone is supposed to reimburse for up to 8 kits, but haven't checked on the details.
Starting this coming Saturday. I doubt they'll be retroactive in reimbursement.
iris lilies
1-12-22, 11:55am
I ordered that one through Amazon on Jan. 3 and just got it yesterday, the 11th. I thought I heard that insurance or at least someone is supposed to reimburse for up to 8 kits, but haven't checked on the details.
The one I ordered on Amazon was supposed to be delivered, according to Amazon’s stock blurb “by January 7” but when I actually put my finger on the order button, it’s surprise, it wouldn’t be delivered until January 25.
We used to run into that at the library all the time, we would be unable to get a book but the customers and other staff would say “but Amazon says it’s available “. All a big lie.
dado potato
1-12-22, 1:17pm
Time to say, if you don’t get vaccinated, you don’t get a bed if needed.
The provincial government in Quebec is preparing to impose a "health contribution tax" on residents who refuse COVID vaccines for non-medical reasons. On 1/11/22 Premier Legault said the tax is "intended as a consequence". The amount of the tax has not been decided, but Legault promised that it will be significant.
iris lilies
1-12-22, 1:37pm
The provincial government in Quebec is preparing to impose a "health contribution tax" on residents who refuse COVID vaccines for non-medical reasons. On 1/11/22 Premier Legault said the tax is "intended as a consequence". The amount of the tax has not been decided, but Legault promised that it will be significant.
I was just coming here to say that because I just read about it.
Well the US could do the same for government delivered insurance, i.e. Medicaid and Medicare.
ApatheticNoMore
1-12-22, 2:14pm
Starting this coming Saturday. I doubt they'll be retroactive in reimbursement.
haha, so I found out, I assumed there was a way to get money back, nope too soon. I had kept the receipts. But to be honest I expected less of it than all that, imagined the hoops to be jumped through might be too complex and that it's just another cost I should eat due to pandemic (like masks etc.). But no, the getting money back wasn't even an option yet. And then I probably go to the drug store like 10 times for them to have test maybe 2 of them. At least it's close I guess.
I was just coming here to say that because I just read about it.
Well the US could do the same for government delivered insurance, i.e. Medicaid and Medicare.
Good luck getting paupers on Medicaid to pay.
iris lilies
1-12-22, 7:09pm
Good luck getting paupers on Medicaid to pay.
Oh that’s right, I guess they don’t pay anything, Medicaid insured folks. Even the multi millionaires. Well, they can make a sliding scale based on what income they do have, such as: Get the vaccine, it’s free. Don’t get the vaccine, we charge five dollars a month. Or $10 a month. Or whatever.
Our County had its first covid death today. An unvaccinated individual who basically lived the life of a hermit. Be careful out there.
It's fascinating to me how random it is who gets infected. SO's mom has two of her adult (obviously, since he's the youngest at 56 years old) kids living with her. One is a waiter, the other is a cashier at Costco. Both have been working throughout the pandemic. No one in the family has gotten infected so far. Even now with Omicron raging. But then one hears about the person in bae's county, or IL's husband, who have been steering clear of people for the most part, yet they still get infected.
And then there are folks like my 87 yo MIL in assisted living where there have been repeated outbreaks among staff. She was moved to a new facility today with no testing required. She has been exposed many times over and remains Covid-free even though she has many health issues.
It's fascinating to me how random it is who gets infected. SO's mom has two of her adult (obviously, since he's the youngest at 56 years old) kids living with her. One is a waiter, the other is a cashier at Costco. Both have been working throughout the pandemic. No one in the family has gotten infected so far. Even now with Omicron raging. But then one hears about the person in bae's county, or IL's husband, who have been steering clear of people for the most part, yet they still get infected.
This is the hygiene hypothesis at work. If you are exposed to germs you develop immunity to them.
My test was negative! Just an average cold after all, but several of the symptoms mirrored what people are reporting for the new variant. I don't regret waiting in the long line (except the part where I really, really needed to use the bathroom for over an hour and couldn't get out of the car line, lol)!
sweetana3
1-13-22, 11:46am
We have been reminded of memories by FB and several were of serious colds we had about this same time over the years. It is just a given this time of year and now with other concerns. After all, none of the other virus types have magically disappeared. Sigh.
iris lilies
1-13-22, 9:17pm
Here’s a report from Covid land:
Sweetana3 may be right, perhaps we do not have it.
DH was monitoring his temperature was staying in Hermann and it never got above 99°. He is very very weak however. Had some coughing, but I think that’s over.
Yesterday I came down with lots of nasal drip which as the day progressed, I figured that something was going on and then in the night I had lots of coughing. Only a slight temperature this morning. But since I am apparently sick with DH’s illness, I told him to come home from Hermann.
So we are recovering together.
I don’t have my home test yet so can’t test for it. I’m not going to go to one of the test centers and take a test and space just to satisfy my curiosity. DH will know for sure when he goes to his regular doctor appointment in February where he will ask them to do a antibody test. Since he has not had the Covid vaccine I would think if he’s got Covid antibodies, we can assume this illness was Covid.
It’s not over for either one of us so we’re keeping an eye on the situation and staying very inactive, testing temperature and oxygen.
iris lilies
1-13-22, 9:23pm
I will add that DH’s sister in Florida told him he has Covid because his symptoms were exactly the same as hers when she had it. Dr. Sister does medical coding for Blue Cross, so…ummm, ok sis, :confused:. Not exactly a dr.
So now he’s convinced he has Covid.
My brother got a cold, then my dad got it. My mother got all worried and pressured them to get tested but they refused. She then got a test from a friend for herself and it was negative.
All the stress over normal winter symptoms stirred up by the media. And of course stress is bad for us.
Iris, I hope you both get through this without issue.
One of the local news stations just broke the story that San Mateo county, on the Bay Area peninsula, was storing $10m worth of PPE at the San Mateo event center, a private organization, which has been doing vaccine events and such. At some point the event center moved this massive amount of PPE outside because they needed the space inside the event center buildings. And then it got rained on. Several times over the past couple of months. Much of it is probably ruined. What the ****ing ****?
If you do satellite view on Google maps you can see pallets and pallets of it already sitting out there before the recent rains.
IL, so sorry to hear you’ve apparently got the plague. Feel better!
Well, it is flu season, too.
You're doing all you can do, for now.
Hoping for the best.
happystuff
1-13-22, 11:43pm
At least you can take care of each other with your dh back. Hope you both recover quickly.
frugal-one
1-13-22, 11:57pm
IL… hope you both recover quickly!
catherine
1-14-22, 12:23am
IL, feel better! Take care of yourselves!
rosarugosa
1-14-22, 7:09am
Get well soon, IL!
flowerseverywhere
1-14-22, 8:32am
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/health-care/were-overwhelmed-nurses-strike-across-us-protest-covid-working-conditions
nurses on strike.
here in the COVID spreading capitol supposedly cases aren’t too bad. In the meantime our small hospital there were six ambulances in the ER bay, two medivac helicopters landed and one took off all within 4 hours according to my friend who was working in the ER, counting down the days until she works out her two week notice. She fears a total mental breakdown if she stays. How can proper medical care possibly be taking place.
gimmethesimplelife
1-14-22, 9:57am
Best wishes for a speedy recovery,, IL. Rob
rosarugosa
1-14-22, 10:31am
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/health-care/were-overwhelmed-nurses-strike-across-us-protest-covid-working-conditions
nurses on strike.
here in the COVID spreading capitol supposedly cases aren’t too bad. In the meantime our small hospital there were six ambulances in the ER bay, two medivac helicopters landed and one took off all within 4 hours according to my friend who was working in the ER, counting down the days until she works out her two week notice. She fears a total mental breakdown if she stays. How can proper medical care possibly be taking place.
Definitely not my idea of things not being too bad!
flowerseverywhere
1-14-22, 11:51am
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna12140
yet another. Nurses being told to use vacation if they get COVID or can come to work anyway. Who do they think is going to take care of sick people if people who are most exposed to COVID are treated like this?
Teacher Terry
1-14-22, 1:41pm
IL, hoping you both recover quickly.
gimmethesimplelife
1-14-22, 3:45pm
I'm in Nogales, AZ at the moment. Was able to switch shifts around for a three day weekend. I'm really depressed about my tenant passing. Glad to get away.
My point? Here at the border many have not been wearing masks. Until this trip. Almost everyone I have seen wears masks in public. I don't know what the change agent was but people on the US side of the border - I didn't cross into Mexico this time - seem to be taking covid more seriously. Rob
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna12140
yet another. Nurses being told to use vacation if they get COVID or can come to work anyway. Who do they think is going to take care of sick people if people who are most exposed to COVID are treated like this?
My department has had a serious reduction in our staffing levels: Structural and wildland firefighters, EMTs, Paramedics. Effectively down 30-50%, it's hard to say, and management isn't responding promptly to Public Records requests on the matter. This has a snowballing effect on those who remain. At this rate, we'll be gone by the end of the year.
Stay safe.
ApatheticNoMore
1-14-22, 4:15pm
I was asking someone recently: "are most healthcare workers (not MDs they don't need it, but everyone else) unionized?". No. Then it seems they should be, healthcare workers going to work with covid (as California is now doing), I mean come on they need someone to represent them. Don't ask for sympathy (although fine we are sympathetic, but what good does that do?), organize.
Of course we import healthcare workers from other countries, I have no opinion on that, but I wonder, do they have citizenship, how able are they to unionize if they wanted to? See importing non-citizen labor is often used to pay people less and make sure they can't organize. And we don't have the ability it seems to train enough healthcare workers in this country. Not because noone wants to go into healthcare (or at least not before the pandemic, that might have changed things), but there simply aren't enough nursing training etc.. I wonder if the plan is to have to import healthcare workers.
Nurses are unionized where I am. I don't know about other healthcare workers. My guess is yes.
Politicians strongly support the medical unions and have weighed in our their side in a long nurses' strike in my state that was just settled. The politicians would go out to the picket lines with them etc.
IL, hope you and your husband are okay tonight.
iris lilies
1-14-22, 7:30pm
IL, hope you and your husband are okay tonight.
We are good. He is still weak from normal exertions. I have a light lingering cough.We’ll be fine. thanks everyone!
From today's news - the majority of Democrats think unvaccinated people should be under house arrest, and a third of them think they should lose custody of their children. This mindset is really frightening - bow down to my dictates or you lose basic rights.
In Canada there have been some custody cases involving vaccination.
From today's news - the majority of Democrats think unvaccinated people should be under house arrest, and a third of them think they should lose custody of their children. This mindset is really frightening - bow down to my dictates or you lose basic rights.
In Canada there have been some custody cases involving vaccination.
Gee. what unbiased source did the polling.
Gee. what unbiased source did the polling.
"The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public policy think tank known for its rejection of the scientific consensus on climate change and the negative health impacts of smoking."
My son was just in a custody case involving vaccination. The judge ruled that he could vaccinate his child.
Free government covid tests are apparently now available for sign up. Advice from a friend for those living in apartment buildings put your apartment number in the first address line and then the street address in the second line. Otherwise you will get declined as a duplicate for that address.
Free government covid tests are apparently now available for sign up. Advice from a friend for those living in apartment buildings put your apartment number in the first address line and then the street address in the second line. Otherwise you will get declined as a duplicate for that address.
It is a shame that it is limited strictly to 4 tests per address. This is wonderful for getting hands into people with economic means, but for younger folks packed like sardines in apartments, homeless folks, larger family sizes, multigenerational households, and things like that, well, sucks to be you.
It is a shame that it is limited strictly to 4 tests per address. This is wonderful for getting hands into people with economic means, but for younger folks packed like sardines in apartments, homeless folks, larger family sizes, multigenerational households, and things like that, well, sucks to be you.
Or for people like a friend of mine with limited means who is living in a hotel that caters to longer term rentals. She tried to sign up but got rejected for having a "commercial" address. Since SO and I already have a few tests and 4 more coming from this I'm going to buy my first month's health insurance reimbursable 8 and send them to her.
Or for people like a friend of mine with limited means who is living in a hotel that caters to longer term rentals. She tried to sign up but got rejected for having a "commercial" address. Since SO and I already have a few tests and 4 more coming from this I'm going to buy my first month's health insurance reimbursable 8 and send them to her.
My friend just tried the suggested workaround and it worked for her.
Free government covid tests are apparently now available for sign up. Advice from a friend for those living in apartment buildings put your apartment number in the first address line and then the street address in the second line. Otherwise you will get declined as a duplicate for that address.
I signed up tonight. Live in an apartment. No issue with putting apt number as usual.
I signed up tonight. Live in an apartment. No issue with putting apt number as usual.
Texting with my sister about this she had a couple of friends who live in the same apartment building. The one who signed up first put the address normal had no problem. The other one had to do the workaround. That makes me think that the system just uses a simplistic ‘no identical address’ method of screening out duplicates.
ApatheticNoMore
1-19-22, 4:21am
It's probably a least bad system, not equitable if say 20 people are living in a house, compared to one person at an address. But then what, I mean we could start to ask personally identifying information like SSN or other ID, DOB, etc. to send them per individual rather than per address but literally noone wants that, I can't imagine almost anyone to prefer that except those hoping for the total failure of the Biden presidency, to have to fill all that annoying personal info to get a test, talk about unpopular, and bound to scare people off.
iris lilies
1-19-22, 10:52am
Today I received or first batch of covid rapid tests in the mail. Too late really.I guess I will keep them around for the next Round of Covid.
At this point, DH is past being infectious since his symptoms started 10 days ago and he likely wouldn't register positive. He is still weak. Doing an hour’s worth of work exhausts him.
I also sign ed for the free gubmnt tests ‘tho they are at present useless for us.
happystuff
1-19-22, 11:15am
Ordered my four free home tests last night when the website opened up. (four per household) Don't know when they will arrive, but don't need them at the moment anyway. Will feel a bit better having them on hand.
Studies out of Israel show that boosting people every few months doesn't work. So much for the pharma forever solution.
iris lilies
1-19-22, 4:47pm
Studies out of Israel show that boosting people every few months doesn't work. So much for the pharma forever solution.
But they sure got their money didn’t they?
But they sure got their money didn’t they?
Yep.
Another development today - Oregon is planning to make their mask mandate permanent.
My own Board of Health has spewed nonsense such as "it also helps with the flu" so why not keep it forever.
It's a healthocracy - nothing else matters, but avoiding the least little risk to the most feeble person on the planet who could protect himself or herself with an N95 or KN95 mask like health care workers exposed to covid all day long do. But no, everyone must wear masks forever. Life can't have any risk at all. We should all just sit in our houses working from home and buying from home until we die alone.
ApatheticNoMore
1-19-22, 6:29pm
So Israel ran the population level experiment of giving people 2 boosters, it didn't seem to work. They had to run it when they did and on the scale they did as Omicron is fast, no time for "more study". Meanwhile in reality the U.S. ran the population level experiment of dilly dallying on recommending FIRST BOOSTERS, "more study needed", they dilly dallied enough, that far far more people will end up dying here than many other developed countries because the booster rate is so low (well those with no vaccine are also a problem leading to a lot of excess death, but a harder problem). And how is whether money is made relevant. These are largely for profit companies. But a patent free vaccine has been developed that might end up solving that problem.
http://cfhammond.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/no_cherry_picking.jpg
ApatheticNoMore
1-19-22, 11:21pm
healthocracy = getting exercise and eating vegetables. And wow working from home that's some real cruel punishment right there, what next: why the serfs love open office plans.
Yep.
Another development today - Oregon is planning to make their mask mandate permanent.
My own Board of Health has spewed nonsense such as "it also helps with the flu" so why not keep it forever.
It's a healthocracy - nothing else matters, but avoiding the least little risk to the most feeble person on the planet who could protect himself or herself with an N95 or KN95 mask like health care workers exposed to covid all day long do. But no, everyone must wear masks forever. Life can't have any risk at all. We should all just sit in our houses working from home and buying from home until we die alone.
I keep telling you you just need to move to a red state and you'd be in utopia. I recently read that the recent changes to Ohio's public health laws mean that the public health authorities no longer can shut down a restaurant if they have unsafe conditions until someone actually gets sick. Paradise I tell you! Paradise! Me, I will probably stay in Commiefornia because Alan hasn't yet convinced me of the joys of freedumb food poisoning.
ApatheticNoMore
1-20-22, 1:03am
There are very few covid restrictions in blue states. And lots of covid of course, although there's lots of covid everywhere in the country, or will be. But there are masks in some blue states. Yep moving to a red state is the only way yeppej will ever find some peace. Sign on the freeway today said: wear an N95 mask.
ApatheticNoMore
1-20-22, 4:21am
Need it be said that it's all deeply irrational. Oh it will last forever and ever. Yea we're all sick enough of pandemic to believe so in our darker moments. And I don't know what will happen with coronavirus in general, but it's obvious this surge is unlikely to last forever, that's not how it works, it's not how the omicron surges are working pretty much anywhere. And that's if one chose to take extra precautions during the surge. Everything is open. So it's not like one has to. But masks, yea well if you are afraid to go anywhere because of masks of all things, you are the one who is refusing to go out, the world goes on regardless.
healthocracy = getting exercise and eating vegetables. And wow working from home that's some real cruel punishment right there, what next: why the serfs love open office plans.
Never once have I heard a public health official say during the pandemic to get exercise or eat vegetables or do anything else to reduce risk obesity or other risk factors for covid. Instead it is we will shut down your business, you can't see your family (heaven forbid you attend a funeral if a loved one dies), you can't even work in your yard if you test positive but are confined indoors, you must wear masks including when you walk by yourself in the woods miles from other people, you must get vaccines.
The last public figure I remember truly promoting public health is Michelle Obama.
I for one prefer to work in person and there are others I know who do too. A nurse who travels to various companies said when she came out to give flu shots people working in person are doing much better mental health wise than her clients working from home, isolated, trying in some cases to supervise virtual schooling at the same time.
I recently read that the recent changes to Ohio's public health laws mean that the public health authorities no longer can shut down a restaurant if they have unsafe conditions until someone actually gets sick. Paradise I tell you! Paradise! Me, I will probably stay in Commiefornia because Alan hasn't yet convinced me of the joys of freedumb food poisoning.
Why would I attempt to convince you of the merits of something that doesn't exist?
I've always found it interesting to see news reports which mis-state actions taken by Republican legislators or just Republicans in general. I saw reports last summer which made the same claim you did, originating I believe in the Washington Post. Their story had to do with how Republican legislators across the country were dealing with declared 'States of Emergency' regarding public health. Ohio was referenced as one state where the legislature had stripped its Governor of the ability to declare states of emergency without oversight by the legislature. This was the result of Ohio's Senate Bill 22 (the text of which can be found here (https://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/solarapi/v1/general_assembly_134/bills/sb22/EN/05/sb22_05_EN?format=pdf)) having to do with declared states of emergency and the responsibilities of Public Health Offices as well as all higher state offices including the legislature and Governor.
After a very dull and laborious reading of the text I believe reporting on the subject simply mis-characterized one of its components. That being the inability of a health department, during a declared state of emergency, to isolate someone who is not medically diagnosed with a disease or quarantine people who have not been in direct contact with someone who is medically diagnosed with a disease.
How it came to be reported as you mentioned is a mystery to me. Of course you shouldn't believe everything you read, including my comments, so I'd suggest you read the text of the bill yourself and make up your own mind about what's true and what isn't. In case you missed the link I provided above, here it is again in its entirety. sb22_05_EN (state.oh.us) (https://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/solarapi/v1/general_assembly_134/bills/sb22/EN/05/sb22_05_EN?format=pdf)
I tried Iris Lily's suggestion of going to the librarian but she was even more rigid than the Board of Health. Then I contacted the Library Trustees and one of them said he would help me but I have not heard back from him in a few days so he is probably running up against a brick wall as well.
frugal-one
1-20-22, 8:13am
Why would I attempt to convince you of the merits of something that doesn't exist?
I've always found it interesting to see news reports which mis-state actions taken by Republican legislators or just Republicans in general. I saw reports last summer which made the same claim you did, originating I believe in the Washington Post. Their story had to do with how Republican legislators across the country were dealing with declared 'States of Emergency' regarding public health. Ohio was referenced as one state where the legislature had stripped its Governor of the ability to declare states of emergency without oversight by the legislature. This was the result of Ohio's Senate Bill 22 (the text of which can be found here (https://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/solarapi/v1/general_assembly_134/bills/sb22/EN/05/sb22_05_EN?format=pdf)) having to do with declared states of emergency and the responsibilities of Public Health Offices as well as all higher state offices including the legislature and Governor.
After a very dull and laborious reading of the text I believe reporting on the subject simply mis-characterized one of its components. That being the inability of a health department, during a declared state of emergency, to isolate someone who is not medically diagnosed with a disease or quarantine people who have not been in direct contact with someone who is medically diagnosed with a disease.
How it came to be reported as you mentioned is a mystery to me. Of course you shouldn't believe everything you read, including my comments, so I'd suggest you read the text of the bill yourself and make up your own mind about what's true and what isn't. In case you missed the link I provided above, here it is again in its entirety. sb22_05_EN (state.oh.us) (https://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/solarapi/v1/general_assembly_134/bills/sb22/EN/05/sb22_05_EN?format=pdf)
WI is one of those states where republicans are doing everything they can to limit the governor’s power to issue state of emergency….especially mask wearing…. plus….
Spain's left wing government wants to lift restrictions and recognize that covid is endemic, treating it like the flu.
This doesn't have to be a partisan issue. We should just follow common sense and get on with our lives.
iris lilies
1-20-22, 10:41am
I tried Iris Lily's suggestion of going to the librarian but she was even more rigid than the Board of Health. Then I contacted the Library Trustees and one of them said he would help me but I have not heard back from him in a few days so he is probably running up against a brick wall as well.
librarians rigid! Well. That is too bad.
iris lilies
1-20-22, 10:43am
Why would I attempt to convince you of the merits of something that doesn't exist?
I've always found it interesting to see news reports which mis-state actions taken by Republican legislators or just Republicans in general. I saw reports last summer which made the same claim you did, originating I believe in the Washington Post. Their story had to do with how Republican legislators across the country were dealing with declared 'States of Emergency' regarding public health. Ohio was referenced as one state where the legislature had stripped its Governor of the ability to declare states of emergency without oversight by the legislature. This was the result of Ohio's Senate Bill 22 (the text of which can be found here (https://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/solarapi/v1/general_assembly_134/bills/sb22/EN/05/sb22_05_EN?format=pdf)) having to do with declared states of emergency and the responsibilities of Public Health Offices as well as all higher state offices including the legislature and Governor.
After a very dull and laborious reading of the text I believe reporting on the subject simply mis-characterized one of its components. That being the inability of a health department, during a declared state of emergency, to isolate someone who is not medically diagnosed with a disease or quarantine people who have not been in direct contact with someone who is medically diagnosed with a disease.
How it came to be reported as you mentioned is a mystery to me. Of course you shouldn't believe everything you read, including my comments, so I'd suggest you read the text of the bill yourself and make up your own mind about what's true and what isn't. In case you missed the link I provided above, here it is again in its entirety. sb22_05_EN (state.oh.us) (https://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/solarapi/v1/general_assembly_134/bills/sb22/EN/05/sb22_05_EN?format=pdf)
Amazing detective work. You out of thousands and hundreds of thousands and millions have read the actual text of the law. But no matter, whatever they WaPo says, goes.
But no matter, whatever they WaPo says, goes.
That's what I find so interesting with stories like this, and we see them every day. Someone constructs a story designed to do a specific thing, in this case to make Republican legislatures look bad, then fills it with just enough facts to support the purpose of the article while adding things they've either deliberately, or through lazy research, mis-represented or mis-construed. The story is then published under an impressive banner and it is then picked up by hundreds of other sources who have no interest in verifying its veracity and pretty soon virtually everyone in the demographic the story is designed to appeal to has been given a few tidbits they can then parrot among their like minded friends as facts.
And that, my dear Iris, is modern journalism in a nut shell.
Truth does sometimes seem to be a casualty of polemics. Not every effort to keep an official from exercising powers not given them by law under the pretext of public health is evidence of a crazed death cult. Isn’t it reasonable to assume that if such power grabs are allowed to stand that everything from guns to school lunches will become “public health issues”?
I’m inclined to agree with Alan on the media. Look at yesterday’s flap over an NPR report that Gorsuch refused a request to wear a mask despite Sotomayor’s health conditions. The three different Supreme Court Justices involved have said Nina Totenberg’s story simply isn’t true, but NPR “stands by it”. Who you gonna believe? Public Radio or your lyin’ eyes?
ApatheticNoMore
1-20-22, 1:15pm
There are very few restrictions except a mask mandate here and it's plenty blue. I mean it's the definition of blue right. You keep obsessing on stuff from years ago (10 years from now this is yeppej: remember that time when I couldn't buy clothes in person 10 years ago ... yea I think about it every day and it makes me angry). Working at home is a company policy, you can be obsessed about what companies you don't work for do I guess but um. I don't prefer to work at the office at all. I've talked to many others who don't want to either. Not that we ever get a say. We are cruely forced to work at the office most years of our lives. I've tried many times to explain in therapy even what it was I found so awful about the white collar office place and never been able to entirely convey how anti-life it's always seemed. Oh well I need money regardless, most jobs don't even pay enough to live on, mine sure does. I don't qualify for free tax preparation lol. If I was rich I wouldn't work, but working at home is a better and different world. And the commute, it's a 10 mile commute, it takes 40 minutes each way.
I like vegetables and exercise, but since they might be healthy, I guess I should just be complaining about them all the time. Because it's bad to care about your health. It's neurotic and crazy. Caring about my health is wearing a mask and not wanting to get sick. But it gets cast as altruism (not that there is anything wrong with that), or neuroticism, when it's just sensible self-interest. Sheesh.
iris lilies
1-20-22, 3:02pm
That's what I find so interesting with stories like this, and we see them every day. Someone constructs a story designed to do a specific thing, in this case to make Republican legislatures look bad, then fills it with just enough facts to support the purpose of the article while adding things they've either deliberately, or through lazy research, mis-represented or mis-construed. The story is then published under an impressive banner and it is then picked up by hundreds of other sources who have no interest in verifying its veracity and pretty soon virtually everyone in the demographic the story is designed to appeal to has been given a few tidbits they can then parrot among their like minded friends as facts.
And that, my dear Iris, is modern journalism in a nut shell.
Well then modern journalism sucks. It sucks balls. But we know that, and that is why it’s dying. Too bad real journalists arent following the code they were taught in J school.
edited to make sense.
A mask zealot attacked someone with hot coffee:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dunkin-customer-throws-hot-coffee-at-man-following-mask-dispute/ar-AASZ31E?cvid=0e90ff4d14d94b8cc7f873b1080ec283&ocid=winp1taskbar
A mask zealot attacked someone with hot coffee:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dunkin-customer-throws-hot-coffee-at-man-following-mask-dispute/ar-AASZ31E?cvid=0e90ff4d14d94b8cc7f873b1080ec283&ocid=winp1taskbar
An American airlines plane turned around mid-flight because a passenger refused to follow airline rules to mask up.
frugal-one
1-20-22, 5:58pm
Truth does sometimes seem to be a casualty of polemics. Not every effort to keep an official from exercising powers not given them by law under the pretext of public health is evidence of a crazed death cult. Isn’t it reasonable to assume that if such power grabs are allowed to stand that everything from guns to school lunches will become “public health issues”?
I’m inclined to agree with Alan on the media. Look at yesterday’s flap over an NPR report that Gorsuch refused a request to wear a mask despite Sotomayor’s health conditions. The three different Supreme Court Justices involved have said Nina Totenberg’s story simply isn’t true, but NPR “stands by it”. Who you gonna believe? Public Radio or your lyin’ eyes?
Power grab? In WI, when Republicans lost the election and were not yet out of office, managed to get the law changed so the incoming governor did not have the same power. Disgusting.
gimmethesimplelife
1-20-22, 8:05pm
Apparently the Austrian Parliament just passed a universal vaccine mandate for adults. I will call my family in Vienna and ask.as to the consequence of non-compliance with the mandate. I read online that a fine of 600 Euros was being considered - but it's been awhile since I checked in with Austria. Just been busy.
Rob
ApatheticNoMore
1-20-22, 8:13pm
This is excellent, what some of us having been doing for nearly 2 years:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/back-alley-covid-advice-is-making-the-pandemic-worse/
Why is the CDC and other government agencies so useless for advice in this pandemic? Who knows? They are evil and trying to get us all killed, they are incompetent, they are in over their heads, they are mired in bureaucracy, they are under-funded, they are over-politicized, they were never designed for a pandemic, they are trying to frame economic advice as public health advice when they have no business getting into economics, they hired the wrong people at the top. Who knows which conjecture is true, who will even investigate? It just is. One just does the best they can in a world where nothing can be trusted. The big open question at this point is long covid IMO.
Fauci makes makes millions from investments in China, then lies about gain of function research there to protect them. Every time I see his picture now I cringe.
I am not visiting my parents. If I get the 'vid I am not worried about myself (vaxxed) or them (vaxxed and boosted) but about my dad testing positive because I have it and don't know, and then he can't have his knee surgery, already postponed because of hospital capacity issues. The problems never stop. We should have flung everything wide open a month past when everyone could get vaccinated and this would all be in the rearview mirror, but no we must drag it out into year three now. Sweden, with 1,000 fewer covid deaths per million than the US, got it right.
Well then modern journalism sucks. It sucks balls. But we know that, and that is why it’s dying. Too bad real journalists arent following the code they were taught in J school.
edited to make sense.
People see to rely on free “quality social media” over paid for journalism these days. As they say, democracy dies in the dark.
I wish the WaPo had quoted the relevant section of the Ohio law that gave them concern. I don't care enough to read through 22 pages of the law to figure it out myself. That's a little too close to my day job... But just as in my day job every word and comma matter, the same may be the situation in Ohio. A poorly thought out sentence somewhere in the middle of that law may well defeat the power of local health authorities.
But I suppose at least Ohio hasn't put any public health director on administrative leave for having the nerve to encourage their staff to get vaccinated as happened in Orlando. Although the true shocker in that story is that the public health department there has an abysmally low vax rate. If people who should know better can't be bothered to get the vax how exactly are they going to be able to convince others. They are probably a good example of government spending that ought to just not be happening.
ApatheticNoMore
1-20-22, 9:59pm
To be realistic most media was essentially free until maybe a couple years ago. The paywalls were easily evaded.
To be realistic most media was essentially free until maybe a couple years ago. The paywalls were easily evaded.
Did you know that there was a time before the internet?
I recall a line from a movie about the Fox network where the boss said we need news that "shocks your grandmother and pisses off your grandfather." So it seems to me that a lot of "news" today is designed to cause outrage and/or fear. And it has been very effective at that. Mostly, I am bored with it all.
I recall a line from a movie about the Fox network where the boss said we need news that "shocks your grandmother and pisses off your grandfather." So it seems to me that a lot of "news" today is designed to cause outrage and/or fear. And it has been very effective at that. Mostly, I am bored with it all.
Don't forget induce fear. The latest is stir up panic because "omicron makes little kids more sick than delta". More of them test positive - not the same as being sick.
Tufts Childrens Hospital in my state is converting pediatric beds to adult ICU beds to respond to omicron. The fact, lost in the media noise, is that unvaccinated adults are in almost every case the ones at risk of serious outcomes.
Alan, I remember having to do all our travel planning using books and phone calls. I even mailed a letter or two. Sometimes I wish for those often-simpler times since choices were limited. We are now facing the Paradox of Choice. Loved that book.
I find myself so skeptical of media that I ignore most of "popular" media. I find myself talking back to it when forced to watch it. I pick who and what I listen to as much as possible and it is not news readers.
Did you know that there was a time before the internet?
My family's news sources were the local paper, Newsweek and/or US News and World Report, and the big three TV networks. Occasionally, Time, TV Guide, or Life. I had not ever heard of the NYT or Washington Post until Watergate, and little there after. I suppose they all had a slight lean to the left, but at the time I don't think the divide was so great. Now, people can get flooded with news if they so choose, which maybe has advantages and disadvantages. I can't even image looking up the details of a state law back in the day.
Even our big city newspaper here has shrunken to a mostly worthless account of sports and syndicated news. I browse Breitbart News very occasionally as a prime example of twisting facts into conservative propaganda. I don't think the Post or the NYT can even come close to that, but it's agreed that a person has to be careful not to take everything for face value. But I don't think they have quite devolved into a pit of poor journalism.
I've seen charts rating mainstream news as left or right and also for quality reporting. The WSJ seems to rank a little to the right and high quality, but it's expensive. USA today is pretty much generic oatmeal. I read NPR news on line and they rate pretty highly in my book and not exactly free considering they are publicly funded. They try to be unbiased, but still rate to the left. I'm not so sure there is a perfect news source out there.
I finally personally know 3 people who have gotten Covid. One was unvaccinated and died. One is unvaccinated (pregnant) and is currently on a ventilator but will probably die soon. The last one got the first 2 shots but no booster and is currently at home with mild cold like symptoms. My husband and I are fully vaccinated and boosted. My two sons are vaccinated but not boosted.
happystuff
1-21-22, 10:21am
I pick up news here and there - MSN or Yahoo pages, sometimes the tv but, like pinkytoe, I'm mostly bored by it all because it is mostly repetitive. Maybe I should be more interested, but there are even enough references in these forums alone of the good, the bad and even the ugly that I feel no desire to go looking for it.
early morning
1-21-22, 10:58am
I've seen charts rating mainstream news as left or right and also for quality reporting. The WSJ seems to rank a little to the right and high quality, but it's expensive. USA today is pretty much generic oatmeal. I read NPR news on line and they rate pretty highly in my book and not exactly free considering they are publicly funded. They try to be unbiased, but still rate to the left. I'm not so sure there is a perfect news source out there. Overall, I agree, and NPR is my go-to, with caveats - but I think one of the huge problems with reporting/news media is the profit factor and the consolidation of media. I don't really know how anyone expects a news media company to produce unbiased information if they aren't willing to PAY for it and also hold them accountable for factual information - me included, btw. of COURSE media is going to go for the click-bait type stuff, that's how they get paid, isn't it? It has to sell to made a profit. I am missing something here? If we live in a profit-based economy where dividends and stock prices are the end-all and be-all of "success", what do we think is going to happen? I am very disenchanted with our particular take on a capitalist system, and I think the "invisible hand" is giving us the middle finger salute, to be honest.
On another note - Rogar, been thinking of you, hope things are well?
On another note - Rogar, been thinking of you, hope things are well?
Thanks for remembering and asking! I had reconstructive surgery two days ago after a melanoma removal from my cheek the previous week. It was a three hour surgery and I sort of look like a Frankenstein creation, but it will get better. They pretty much rotated around my whole cheek. All of the biopsies after the melanoma surgery were clear, which was very good news. Thankful for modern medicine.
I asked a few of the hospital staff about work shortages. They said it had come in waves and sometimes doubling up on shifts, but it had not been critical in the surgery areas. I did have quite a bit of trouble jockeying around for appointments due to their full schedules. They said it was a different story in the regular hospital sections with a lot more problems with staffing. I had to have a negative Covid PCR test before each procedure.
rosarugosa
1-21-22, 11:44am
I finally personally know 3 people who have gotten Covid. One was unvaccinated and died. One is unvaccinated (pregnant) and is currently on a ventilator but will probably die soon. The last one got the first 2 shots but no booster and is currently at home with mild cold like symptoms. My husband and I are fully vaccinated and boosted. My two sons are vaccinated but not boosted.
That is sad. Glad you are vaccinated.
That is sad. Glad you are vaccinated.
Yes, especially the pregnant lady. They had to take the baby before putting her on the ventilator. I can't imagine how the husband will cope with a toddler and newborn if she passes. I have no idea what I would have done if I had been pregnant during all this and deciding whether or not to get vaccinated. I know they say that the vaccine is harmless to pregnant women but after having a medical issue with my youngest at 10 days old, I'm not sure I'd want to risk anything after that.
happystuff
1-21-22, 1:42pm
That is so sad, Klunick. Sending prayers.
Teacher Terry
1-21-22, 1:43pm
Roger, I am glad that your procedure went well. Very sad about the pregnant woman.
happystuff
1-21-22, 1:44pm
Rogar, glad both procedures went so well! Hoping that you heal quickly.
ApatheticNoMore
1-21-22, 1:46pm
Some people have said news should charge by article. I think that model makes some sense but I don't know much about newspaper economics. The main problem is their real revenue was NEVER subscribers, so it never was about if enough people are subscribing although less are, but the main revenue was always ads. But the ads as the main source of revenue model doesn't work anymore. And to pay not only what the cost used to be, but a price beyond that to make up for all the ad revenue that isn't anymore, is to pay more than people are accustomed to paying or probably want to pay. Although of course newspapers still run some ads, so subscribers aren't carrying the full weight, and that's the current situation, so how do we expect them to be unbiased?
I think charging by article might work because noone wants to subscribe to a whole bunch of newspapers just to read articles because they want to read this article here and that one there, that gets very expensive very fast. But I don't know it could be there is no model that works. But it's not like they are attempting anything new either, so we've tried nothing and it didn't work.
Dr. Gottlieb says half of Americans will have had omicron by this time next month. When 99% of people have had it, do we still need to wear masks to protect those living in caves who might decide to emerge someday? Maybe there is a Rip Van Winkle out there thanks to cryogenics.
happystuff
1-21-22, 1:55pm
Some people have said news should charge by article. I think that model makes some sense but I don't know much about newspaper economics. The main problem is their real revenue was NEVER subscribers, so it never was about if enough people are subscribing although less are, but the main revenue was always ads. But the ads as the main source of revenue model doesn't work anymore.
I think charging by article might work because noone wants to subscribe to a whole bunch of newspapers just to read articles because they want to read this article here and that one there, that gets very expensive very fast. But I don't know it could be there is no model that works. But it's not like they are attempting any either, so we've tried nothing and it didn't work.
For me, the problem with charging by the article would be that I don't know if it would be worth paying for until after I read it. I enjoy reading a paper newspaper, but - as has been said - there aren't that many left and they have definitely gone up in price for what is actually being produced.
early morning
1-21-22, 5:45pm
Rogar, that is wonderful news. Are you coming up with a good "story" for your facial refit? I think I'm going to have a nice little scar from the outer corner of my left eye part way down my cheek. I am planning to tell people it's a dueling scar. I don't have to tell them what I was dueling with, right? lol. I am lucky, it was a small patch and the plastic surgeon was able to close it immediately. Although they did warn me that if the testing came back positive they'd have to remove the stitches and take a bigger hunk. Thankfully that was not necessary.
The main problem is their real revenue was NEVER subscribers, so it never was about if enough people are subscribing although less are, but the main revenue was always ads. Ad revenue is driven by readership. The more readers that will see the ads, the more they can charge FOR the ad, and the easier to get people to buy ads. So, subscriptions/paper sales drove the economics, they just were not the main monetary source. So of course if your target is the breitbart set, ad-wise, the articles must be FOR that crowd, right? And so it goes, round and round. I agree with happy about not knowing if it's worth a payment until it's been read. I am really torn about this - I think good reporting and investigative journalism are very important in a democracy (and everywhere else!). Our local rags have gone to unschooled reporters who have to take their own pictures, edit their own work, and email it to a central office/printers several states away. And it shows. I don't even bother, it makes me so crazy with all the grammatical and spelling errors, poor/incorrect word choices, etc. So by not supporting them, I'm actually making the situation worse. what to do?
iris lilies
1-21-22, 7:32pm
We still pay for two hardcopy newspapers, the St. Louis paper, a daily, and the
Hermann newspaper, weekly.
DH read the STL paper, I do not. I see in the front page of an on the website, but I can’t read any articles, well I can read a couple of months I guess that’s my limit.
Rogar, that is wonderful news. Are you coming up with a good "story" for your facial refit? I think I'm going to have a nice little scar from the outer corner of my left eye part way down my cheek. I am planning to tell people it's a dueling scar. I don't have to tell them what I was dueling with, right? lol. I am lucky, it was a small patch and the plastic surgeon was able to close it immediately. Although they did warn me that if the testing came back positive they'd have to remove the stitches and take a bigger hunk. Thankfully that was not necessary.
Mine is quite similar. A crescent from the ear, under the eye, to the nose and then almost to the jaw line. They left the initial surgical wound open with a temporary patch sewed on in case testing came back positive, but that wasn't necessary for me either. I could fit into the dueling description. Maybe a machete attack by a crazed Hawaiian, encountered while foiling a bank robbery? The masking in public sort of ruins a few bragging opportunities (don't get Jeppy started).
Glad things went well for you, too!
So glad you are recovering, Rogar. I like the dueling scar option. Once it closes up and heals, people say cera vie can really help with scars.
early morning
1-22-22, 10:22am
A machete attack, foiling a bank robbery - genius! And I had not heard that about cera vie and scaring - thanks, Tybee. I use it all the time, but not on my face, so no "accidental" benefit has occurred, lol. Although like with wrinkles, I'm a bit on the fence about mitigating scars for myself. I look at them as a map of me , or maybe better described as part of my life story. I know that seems kinda silly - but I look at dings and dents on our cars in the same way - reminders of surviving what is thrown at us, and that in the grand scheme of things, much of it is small stuff.
I found out yesterday that my son has Covid. Their baby's due date is Thursday, and they were going to induce her on Thursday due to problems with the pregnancy. So far, my dil does not have it, but I don't think they are testing her until Thursday, unless her doctor calls her in to be tested today or tomorrow. He was fully vaccinated, not sure if he got boosted, so it is probably Omicron. This will impact their birth plans so we are waiting to see what happens with doctor and hospital, I guess. Hospital has a protocol that includes things like separating her from the baby for 24 hours, which does not seem good, but it's what it is.
happystuff
1-24-22, 10:10am
Oh, no, Tybee! I hope mom is okay and that the birth goes well. So sorry for your son. Sending prayers for all!
Oh, no, Tybee! I hope mom is okay and that the birth goes well. So sorry for your son. Sending prayers for all!
Thank you, happystuff, I truly appreciate your prayers.
rosarugosa
1-24-22, 10:43am
I'm sorry Tybee, how stressful. I hope everyone will be OK.
Teacher Terry
1-24-22, 12:34pm
That’s awful Tybee. I hope everything goes well for them.
So glad your son is vaccinated! Hoping for an uneventful birth.
Here is an article about how Biden's N95 mask proposal will not solve covid:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/we-re-a-physician-and-mathematician-and-a-data-scientist-n95s-won-t-work-for-kids-opinion/ar-AAT5M0A?cvid=6264571d79f24fbcf108d5fc16bc23f6&ocid=winp1taskbar
Only 40% of Americans can get the masks. You can wear them a maximum of 5 times before they stop working.
When will people stop drinking the mask Koolaid?
So glad your son is vaccinated! Hoping for an uneventful birth.
Thank you, Jane, that would be the ideal scenario.
When will people stop drinking the mask Koolaid?
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I can help with that recipe LOL
early morning
1-25-22, 11:32am
Hope all is going well, Tybee, been thinking of you all.
Hope all is going well, Tybee, been thinking of you all.
So far, so good! DIL has tested negative so far, and son is hanging in there as with a bad cold, he says. I sent them a pulse oximeter just in case so they are prepared. They got delivery moved to Monday, thank goodness, so we shall see. Thank you!
happystuff
1-25-22, 12:21pm
Good news, Tybee! Continued prayers to all.
Thanks for the update on your family. Wishing all well.
frugal-one
1-25-22, 3:21pm
Glad to hear things are improving,Tybee
iris lilies
1-26-22, 1:28pm
Here is our Covid report:
Still not confirmed as Covid, but when DH went to his regular dr appt the doc tested him. Results in soon.
It has been 16 days since DH first came down with symptoms. He is still weak. Two days ago he slept most of the day away. Yesterday and today he is better, but still weak.
i came down with it two weeks ago. I had one day of sneezing and cold like symptoms, next day mostly gone, Then a week alter i was hit with a lighter version. Then yesterday…another version even lighter. It is weird.
Since I am constantly fighting plant allergies and sinus stuff, it is hard to tell what is causing what.
An unexpected fallout is that I sorta feel, now that I’ve had Covid, I can get on a plane and travel a bit. Hmmmm, maybe DH gave me a gift after all, a well received gift. The American Iris Society is meeting in
New Mexico in early April, and now I am contemplating attending that convention.
It sounds like you're both making progress. I'm glad DH is under a doctor's care.
Teacher Terry
1-26-22, 1:57pm
With having all 3 shots I am not worried about flying. My kids have all been on planes and were fine.
iris lilies
1-26-22, 2:37pm
It sounds like you're both making progress. I'm glad DH is under a doctor's care.
He’s not treated for Covid, he had a regular visit scheduled last week anyway.
He goes to the dr regularly, unlike me. He gets inoculations regularly, but for Covid vaccines. Because that is evil you know.
>8)
gimmethesimplelife
1-27-22, 3:44pm
Here is our Covid report:
Still not confirmed as Covid, but when DH went to his regular dr appt the doc tested him. Results in soon.
It has been 16 days since DH first came down with symptoms. He is still weak. Two days ago he slept most of the day away. Yesterday and today he is better, but still weak.
i came down with it two weeks ago. I had one day of sneezing and cold like symptoms, next day mostly gone, Then a week alter i was hit with a lighter version. Then yesterday…another version even lighter. It is weird.
Since I am constantly fighting plant allergies and sinus stuff, it is hard to tell what is causing what.
An unexpected fallout is that I sorta feel, now that I’ve had Covid, I can get on a plane and travel a bit. Hmmmm, maybe DH gave me a gift after all, a well received gift. The American Iris Society is meeting in
New Mexico in early April, and now I am contemplating attending that convention.Whereabouts in New Mexico - just curious? Rob
gimmethesimplelife
1-27-22, 3:46pm
Forgot to add - IL, I'm glad you and yours are not in the hospital and not on a ventilator. Something to be very grateful for. I wish you a quick and full recovery. Rob
IL (and everyone else,too). It is possible to get covid more than once. Hubby has a coworker who is fully vaxed and tested positive three weeks ago. New rules say vased without symptoms can resume normal activity - so she only missed one week (five days) of work. Worked the next full week. Came in Tuesday, sick ( first round she wasn't sick - tested due to exposure in household), and they sent her to be tested. Positive again. She went to the doctor for testing since the home tests reportedly are less accurate. Dr said it happens with Omicron.
Unfortunately the current vaccine concoction protects the receiver from getting terribly sick and being hospitalized, but doesn't stop at all the spread of the omicron variant. (It did reduce spread for previous varients).
iris lilies
1-27-22, 9:33pm
Forgot to add - IL, I'm glad you and yours are not in the hospital and not on a ventilator. Something to be very grateful for. I wish you a quick and full recovery. Rob
Thank you Rob.
the iris convention is in Las Cruces. We went through on vacation in 2017 and it was really quite awful, quite an unpleasant vacation. But much of that awfulness had to do with interminable driving there and driving back. This time I would fly.
Apparently Sarah Palin wants to be remembered as fondly as Mary Mallon. I just don't understand how people become such remarkable assholes that they don't think they need to follow the CDC recommendations about quarantining when sick with covid.
rosarugosa
1-28-22, 6:39am
Apparently Sarah Palin wants to be remembered as fondly as Mary Mallon. I just don't understand how people become such remarkable assholes that they don't think they need to follow the CDC recommendations about quarantining when sick with covid.
Yes, this one was rather mind-boggling for me too.
happystuff
1-28-22, 11:11am
IL, glad you and dh are on the mend.
Yes, I also heard (and know of 2) fully vaxed individuals who have had covid more than once. Fortunately, not life-threatening.
frugal-one
1-28-22, 5:42pm
Ok…so you know someone who is not vaccinated but you have and boosted too, what is your feeling about hanging out with them?
Ok…so you know someone who is not vaccinated but you have and boosted too, what is your feeling about hanging out with them?
I would decline.
frugal-one
1-28-22, 7:46pm
I would decline.
That is what I did. There was quite a scene. DH had lungs opened twice and not willing to compromise him. It is difficult here because you don’t always know who is vaccinated. We have been avoiding large groups I but went to a small card group and she walked in. I nicely asked if she was vaccinated. A row and she left. Kinda bums me out that people here think it is ok to either not be vacccinated or knowingly hang out with the unvaccinated. Guess will continue just to talk with others from a distance outside.
That is what I did. There was quite a scene. DH had lungs opened twice and not willing to compromise him. It is difficult here because you don’t always know who is vaccinated. We have been avoiding large groups I but went to a small card group and she walked in. I nicely asked if she was vaccinated. A row and she left. Kinda bums me out that people here think it is ok to either not be vacccinated or knowingly hang out with the unvaccinated. Guess will continue just to talk with others from a distance outside.
You do know vaccinated people can still catch and transmit the virus, right? More so with omicron, and probably even more yet with son of omicron.
iris lilies
1-28-22, 8:37pm
That is what I did. There was quite a scene. DH had lungs opened twice and not willing to compromise him. It is difficult here because you don’t always know who is vaccinated. We have been avoiding large groups I but went to a small card group and she walked in. I nicely asked if she was vaccinated. A row and she left. Kinda bums me out that people here think it is ok to either not be vacccinated or knowingly hang out with the unvaccinated. Guess will continue just to talk with others from a distance outside.
My unvaccinated DH was invited to a card game, and then uninvited when the house learned or remembered he was unvaccinated. There was no “row” about it, DH was serenely accepting of it as he is of all the social shunning he gets from being unvaccinated. That’s just the consequences of his decision and he knows that.
When it gets to be nice weather again he’ll be able to socialize outside.
My unvaccinated DH was invited to a card game, and then uninvited when the house learned or remembered he was unvaccinated. There was no “row” about it, DH was serenely accepting of it as he is of all the social shunning he gets from being unvaccinated. That’s just the consequences of his decision and he knows that.
When it gets to be nice weather again he’ll be able to socialize outside.
That's as it should be. I can sympathize with those who are fearful of/skeptical of/unable to tolerate vaccines, if they recognize they can't really move freely in society until this thing is mostly over. Self-quarantining, masking up, social distancing, hand-washing as necessary are the alternative. But aggressive anti-vaccine, anti mask proselytizers who go around making trouble for everyone around them are a totally different breed.
happystuff
1-29-22, 9:34pm
I don't understand how someone with a respiratory issue (or other issue) that can't tolerate a mask would be able to survive the respiratory effects (or other effects) of COVID that simply wearing a mask for a limited time might prevent?
I don't understand how someone with a respiratory issue (or other issue) that can't tolerate a mask would be able to survive the respiratory effects (or other effects) of COVID that simply wearing a mask for a limited time might prevent?
You have some false premises here.
1. Mask wearing is for a limited time. 2022 is year three of this and many such as students have to wear masks all day long.
2. Covid causes severe disease in most people.
3. Covid primarily impacts respiration - much less true with omicron, which does not settle deep in the lungs but lives in the upper respiratory tract with typical cold symptoms rather than difficulties breathing.
iris lilies
1-30-22, 12:37pm
Well, I am sorry to report that DH’s test for Covid antibodies came back negative. He still says he had it. I think it’s highly unlikely he had it. He was tested on day 14 since his first symptom showed up. By day 14, 90% of people who had Covid have developed detectable antibodies that show up in the physician test. DH had his test performed by his physician.
The reason I’m sorry he didn’t have it is because I was hoping that was behind us.
Now I’m reevaluating my plan to go to the Iris convention in New Mexico. That involves two or three airports and three or four planes. And then, there are the meetings although usually it’s not hard to sit 6 feet apart from others at this thing. The real Covid spreader is being on buses three solid days, riding around with others to look at Iris gardens.
I’ve turned over in my mind driving to Las Cruces to avoid air flights, but that is a miserable 2 or 3 Day One way drive. I thought about riding in an airplane to Las Cruces, and then renting a car myself to visit the iris gardens, but the problem there is that they do not want individual drivers going to the gardens because there’s simply not room for everyone to take their car.
I’m still considering going though. Maybe by early April when the convention is held this Covid surge will be far down.
happystuff
1-30-22, 12:51pm
Several people I know have been getting pretty sick and swear it is Covid, but then it ends up being a sinus infection or other upper-respiratory infection. The problem is that during these illnesses, the individuals are more susceptible to catching worse. (This is my personal conclusion based on what the dr said to one of my kids that recently suffered from a sinus infection. They were told to be extra-careful when out-and-about. I know others will believe what they believe.)
Teacher Terry
1-30-22, 12:59pm
4 years ago I had the regular flu and spent 2 weeks in bed, the next 2 trying to get well and my insides hurt for 2 months. I lost 20lbs and it was awful. So the flu can make you really sick.
My daughter tested positive for covid a few days ago. She describes her symptoms as simply cold like, minor congestion, lingering cough and sore throat. She's on the mend now and no one else in her household has been affected so far.
Well, I am sorry to report that DH’s test for Covid antibodies came back negative. He still says he had it. I think it’s highly unlikely he had it. He was tested on day 14 since his first symptom showed up. By day 14, 90% of people who had Covid have developed detectable antibodies that show up in the physician test. DH had his test performed by his physician.
The reason I’m sorry he didn’t have it is because I was hoping that was behind us.
Now I’m reevaluating my plan to go to the Iris convention in New Mexico. That involves two or three airports and three or four planes. And then, there are the meetings although usually it’s not hard to sit 6 feet apart from others at this thing. The real Covid spreader is being on buses three solid days, riding around with others to look at Iris gardens.
I’ve turned over in my mind driving to Las Cruces to avoid air flights, but that is a miserable 2 or 3 Day One way drive. I thought about riding in an airplane to Las Cruces, and then renting a car myself to visit the iris gardens, but the problem there is that they do not want individual drivers going to the gardens because there’s simply not room for everyone to take their car.
I’m still considering going though. Maybe by early April when the convention is held this Covid surge will be far down.
Maybe he didn't have it in the past 14 days, but he probably had it. As of November (pre-omicron) 94% of Americans had antibodies to covid-19 per the seroprevalence data from the CDC I've provided a link to below. Now it's probably 99.99%.
Go on your trip and enjoy it.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#nationwide-blood-donor-seroprevalence
happystuff
1-30-22, 1:28pm
So glad your daughter is recovering well. And glad no one else in her household caught it!
So glad your daughter is recovering well. And glad no one else in her household caught it!Looks like I spoke too soon, just found out my 19 year old grandson tested positive today. His only symptoms are sniffles, which makes me wonder, my wife and I both had sniffles and minor sore throat last week, I wonder what that was?
Hope everyone gets through it well, Alan!
happystuff
1-30-22, 2:13pm
Oh, pooh, Alan. Hope everyone gets through it all quickly and with minimal effects.
Ultralight
1-30-22, 3:01pm
My BIL just turned. I got a call notifying me just moments ago.
iris lilies
1-30-22, 3:33pm
My BIL just turned. I got a call notifying me just moments ago.
What does this mean? Turned to what from what?
So glad to see you UL!
Ultralight
1-30-22, 3:39pm
What does this mean? Turned to what from what?
So glad to see you UL!
Turned. Joined the infecteds. Got covid.
Turned. Joined the infecteds. Got covid.
Sort of like a zombie apocalypse? And you plan to be the Omega Man? I suspect in the end pretty much all of us will be infected.
happystuff
1-30-22, 5:15pm
Hope it is just mild and he recovers quickly.
More stupidity - a doctor (has to be vaxxed) cancelled my vaxxed dad's knee surgery because the doc got covid. So what? Everyone's getting it.
My father has been waiting since November. The cartilage is all gone, and when he walks the bone grinds into the bone causing extreme pain and swelling. Earlier it was you have to wait because we need to leave room in the hospitals for anti-vaxxers who will get covid. Now it's to stop the spread and protect anti-vaxxers. Let them go to the back of the line!! But no, the vaccinated must suffer too.
For 10 days he could not even take ibuprofen because it might thin his blood too much before surgery. Now he will have to go through another 10 days of pain as the surgery is being postponed two weeks.
And he can't just rest in bed due to prostate issues. My mother counted the other night and he got up 14 times over the course of the night to pee.
And he needs cataract surgery. But he wanted to deal with the knee first before the other issues.
a doctor (has to be vaxxed) cancelled my vaxxed dad's knee surgery because the doc got covid. So what?
I'm not sure I'm understanding you. Are you disappointed that your Dad isn't going to get to deal with covid at the same time as he's recovering from an invasive surgery?
I'm not sure I'm understanding you. Are you disappointed that your Dad isn't going to get to deal with covid at the same time as he's recovering from an invasive surgery?
My father is both vaccinated and boosted, so I am not worried about him getting covid because it would be asymptomatic or mild.
Additionally the doctor can wear an N95 mask and other protective gear as covid positive nurses are doing in short staffed hospitals.
Teacher Terry
1-30-22, 7:29pm
Maybe the doctor is too sick to do surgery. My friend despite being boosted got it 2 weeks ago and is still quite sick. She is a healthy weight and has no health issues.
iris lilies
1-30-22, 8:21pm
Maybe he didn't have it in the past 14 days, but he probably had it. As of November (pre-omicron) 94% of Americans had antibodies to covid-19 per the seroprevalence data from the CDC I've provided a link to below. Now it's probably 99.99%.
Go on your trip and enjoy it.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#nationwide-blood-donor-seroprevalence
this seems to be an important study and I don’t know what to make of it. I just skimmed it and yeah, that’s a lot of the population that has Covid antibodies. One of the questions I have is what level of antibody do you need to avoid getting very sick? I don’t know.
But yeah Jeppy, that’s interesting information
Except Yppej is misrepresenting the data. In particular take note of the population sampled.
Yppej routinely cherry picks things that they apparently don’t read or understand though, and uses them to advance their narrative.
My father is both vaccinated and boosted, so I am not worried about him getting covid because it would be asymptomatic or mild.
Additionally the doctor can wear an N95 mask and other protective gear as covid positive nurses are doing in short staffed hospitals.
Are you insane? Old man who has just had major surgery gets covid is not a situation any rational medical professional would be willing to cause. An anecdote. 84 year old friend (mother of one of my high school friends) with no other significant health issues, fully vaxxed and boosted, spent two weeks in the hospital due to covid, getting out about 3 weeks ago. Perhaps your father would be luckier. But perhaps not.
Ultralight
1-30-22, 10:55pm
Sort of like a zombie apocalypse? And you plan to be the Omega Man? I suspect in the end pretty much all of us will be infected.
The Omega Man is one of my all-time favorite movies!
I have been trained to not interact with patients, or even to show up to work, when I am ill, and that is not (usually) in a surgical setting, where the standards are higher. My mother, who quite literally wrote the book on operating room nursing practices, and had a 40 year career, also thinks sick staff have no place in the operating room, and was involved multiple times in disciplinary and legal actions against moronic surgeons who showed up inappropriately.
I question Yppej’s basic understanding of such things. Or something….
iris lilies
1-31-22, 12:30am
Except Yppej is misrepresenting the data. In particular take note of the population sampled.
Yppej routinely cherry picks things that they apparently don’t read or understand though, and uses them to advance their narrative.
I skimmed the entire thing. They are studying blood samples for presence of Covid antibodies. 135,000 blood samples were studied although inside the article they talk about more than 1 million. So I’m not sure how many were tested but I think the executive summary talks about 135,000. The samples came from all over the country. Better than 90+ of people in all age ranges had Covid antibodies in Nov. 2021.
That is what I get from the executive summary. What are you getting? Let go of your dislike of Jeppy for a minute Since that is irrelevant to interpretation of the data,and tell me what you are reading here.
In an aside, I didn’t know they could tell the difference between vaccine induced antibodies and disease induced antibodies.
The population of the study was blood donors, not the general population…. There is another study from the same higher level page of the cdc site that examines the *broader* population, which yields a far lower rate…. You might imagine that the population of blood donors has some different characteristics than the entire population of the USA.
That is , “research” requires actually reading and understanding things, which Yeppy doesn’t bother with, it seems.
iris lilies
1-31-22, 2:48am
The population of the study was blood donors, not the general population…. There is another study from the same higher level page of the cdc site that examines the *broader* population, which yields a far lower rate…. You might imagine that the population of blood donors has some different characteristics than the entire population of the USA.
That is , “research” requires actually reading and understanding things, which Yeppy doesn’t bother with, it seems.
Yeah yeah yeah yeppy bad, got it. Yawn.
The study does say that the population of blood donors are different from the general population, a higher percentage likely vaccinated than general pop. But to put an estimated number on that percentage difference, they suggest 73% of their sample was vaccinated and to compare, the CDC estimate is 57% of the population. That’s a 15 point difference.
So let’s take that general overall 90+ number that have antibodies, let’s call it 93%, and subtract 15 points. That leaves us with this idea: At least 78% The general population has antibodies.
This is pretty high to me. This study clearly shows the percentage of the population that has antibodies, well the percentage of the blood donors anyway, is increasing.
Seems like a win to me.
ApatheticNoMore
1-31-22, 3:26am
Why is it a win? You can catch covid multiple times, maybe without variants, but definitely with variants which we have gotten (lots of people having covid does not mean they have had omicron unless it's recent). You might have some short term immunity. Boosters also seem like they may fade.
Yeah yeah yeah yeppy bad, got it. Yawn.
The study does say that the population of blood donors are different from the general population, a higher percentage likely vaccinated than general pop. But to put an estimated number on that percentage difference, they suggest 73% of their sample was vaccinated and to compare, the CDC estimate is 57% of the population. That’s a 15 point difference.
So let’s take that general overall 90+ number that have antibodies, let’s call it 93%, and subtract 15 points. That leaves us with this idea: At least 78% The general population has antibodies.
This is pretty high to me. This study clearly shows the percentage of the population that has antibodies, well the percentage of the blood donors anyway, is increasing.
Seems like a win to me.
Or you could have read the other study, which I mentioned there is a parallel study/link for, which actually does the analysis you are trying to back-of-the-envelope your way into. A study that actually studies, well, the relevant population.
iris lilies
1-31-22, 5:52am
Or you could have read the other study, which I mentioned there is a parallel study/link for, which actually does the analysis you are trying to back-of-the-envelope your way into. A study that actually studies, well, the relevant population.
Are you talking about the study that shows 31.6% of the population studied has antibodies obtained from having the disease? The link to methodology is called “Commercial lab data” and dated November 18 2021.
If That’s the one you’re talking about, yes that is certainly different number from 57%. But they’re measuring blood samples from people who go to the doctor. There are plenty of people who had Covid, recovered, have Covid antibodies, and do not go to the doctor And that is mentioned as one of the limitations of their study.
Here’s a note for anyone reading this post: the study I am talking about in this specific post studied only antibodies obtained from having the disease. It did not measure antibodies gained from a vaccine.
iris lilies
1-31-22, 5:56am
Why is it a win? You can catch covid multiple times, maybe without variants, but definitely with variants which we have gotten (lots of people having covid does not mean they have had omicron unless it's recent). You might have some short term immunity. Boosters also seem like they may fade.
Yes I assume immunity fades over time. And no one seems to know what level of antibodies are required to stave off severe versions of the disease.
But yes, I consider increasing antibodies in the population at large to be a good thing. I guess if you want to paint it as a glass half empty go ahead and do that.
Except Yppej is misrepresenting the data. In particular take note of the population sampled.
Yppej routinely cherry picks things that they apparently don’t read or understand though, and uses them to advance their narrative.
I was pointed to this data by a tweet by Dr. Tom Frieden, former head of the CDC. He was also interviewed on NBC Nightly News last night saying he is more optimistic about covid now than he has been at any point in the pandemic.
But I'm sure that because you work in a small town as a volunteer firefighter that makes you a much bigger public health expert than he is.
iris lilies
1-31-22, 12:14pm
I was pointed to this data by a tweet by Dr. Tom Frieden, former head of the CDC. He was also interviewed on NBC Nightly News last night saying he is more optimistic about covid now than he has been at any point in the pandemic.
But I'm sure that because you work in a small town as a volunteer firefighter that makes you a much bigger public health expert than he is.
ah well you are just a science denier. THE SCIENCE rules all ‘tho all of the high priests of THE SCIENCE can’t agree on all details. And that is fine, I understand Covid science is complex and evolving. I have patience for CDC backed and reported studies that may show some conflict within the field.
I have little patience for bludgeoning people with accusations of SCIENCE DENIER when to my eyes anyway, the science isn’t clear on all points of Covid, or even on many points of Covid.
ApatheticNoMore
1-31-22, 2:22pm
We aren't even talking about scientists, but political spokespeople. But yea if someone thinks the vaccine is more dangerous than getting covid without it, it's really hard not to see that as some kind of denial.
I want to thank everyone for praying for my son and his family--the baby arrived today via c-section and she is perfectly healthy, as is her Mom, and my son has recovered and is able to be with them in the hospital, so best possible ending, and thank you all. So appreciate your thoughts and prayers!!:)
That’s great news! Thanks for the update.
Always good to hear about a happy outcome!!
I want to thank everyone for praying for my son and his family--the baby arrived today via c-section and she is perfectly healthy, as is her Mom, and my son has recovered and is able to be with them in the hospital, so best possible ending, and thank you all. So appreciate your thoughts and prayers!!:)
High fives all around!
And Hoping Alan's family is on the mend, too.
happystuff
1-31-22, 3:08pm
Wonderful! And welcome to the newest addition to your family!
High fives all around!
And Hoping Alan's family is on the mend, too.
Thank you, and yes they are. My daughter says she's back to 100% and my grandson thinks his test must have showed a false positive since his sniffles disappeared after one day.
iris lilies
1-31-22, 3:15pm
…But yea if someone thinks the vaccine is more dangerous than getting covid without it, it's really hard not to see that as some kind of denial.
Where did you see this in this recent discussion of the past couple pages of this post?
Jeppy does not take the position that vaccine is more dangerous than getting Covid. That I have seen anyway.
ApatheticNoMore
1-31-22, 3:33pm
Where did you see this in this recent discussion of the past couple pages of this post?
I don't think anyone on this board was all just "trust the science" either (so I assumed this was about some larger world something something). I mean some have posted this or that study. So yes in general some people have some interest in what science may show.
If this is some kind of reference to Trump not following science or something. Sure there are people who hoped Biden would handle the pandemic better than Trump (certainly I did, as that was frankly an extremely low bar, and I am not thrilled with how it was handled by Biden so far either, though he's improving a little)
Teacher Terry
1-31-22, 3:36pm
Great news Tybee!!
Here is the common sense solution - one way masking, as recommended by mainstream doctors in the article below.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/it-s-time-for-us-to-give-them-their-childhood-back-boston-area-doctors-call-for-an-end-to-mandatory-masking-in-schools/ar-AATkNep?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
If you are nervous, wear a N95 - the same type of mask that protects health care workers around covid patients all day long. You can get it free thanks to Biden. Then stop worrying about what everyone else is doing.
Where did you see this in this recent discussion of the past couple pages of this post?
Jeppy does not take the position that vaccine is more dangerous than getting Covid. That I have seen anyway.
Well, I remember some inferences to that effect back in the discussion of that eminent scientist, RFK, Jr. I'm not going to look back to fact check. The issue is, while Jeppy may actually post some interesting or valid information, her track record in promoting dis-information is established, and one can only assume similar going forward.
RFK Jr has raised many valid points about conflicts of interest in our supposedly objective science. He has focused in particular on Fauci. Other sources have since reported Fauci and his wife made millions in investments in China - no wonder he didn't want the Wuhan lab investigated.
ApatheticNoMore
1-31-22, 6:34pm
The issue is, while Jeppy may actually post some interesting or valid information, her track record in promoting dis-information is established, and one can only assume similar going forward.
the issue has yeppej has her beliefs about coronavirus, and anything that might kind of support that (and much of it doesn't really) gets randomly thrown against the wall. And everything else, well there's no interest. So it hasn't been a remotely honest argument, I mean even as far as arguments go - it's extreme, in 2 years.
Chad Carswell of North Carolina is refusing to get a vaccine although he needs it in order to get a transplant. He says, "I was born free, I'll die free."
How long should we all wear masks to protect people like him?
Maybe he didn't have it in the past 14 days, but he probably had it. As of November (pre-omicron) 94% of Americans had antibodies to covid-19 per the seroprevalence data from the CDC I've provided a link to below. Now it's probably 99.99%.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#nationwide-blood-donor-seroprevalence
Again, the claim that “94% of Americans” have antibodies is simply incorrect. Yppej is quoting a number which is not representative of the entire US population. And when challenged on it, resorts to sophistry.
Yppej also claims 99.99% have antibodies now. This doesn’t even hold up to basic critical reasoning skills. Grab the back of an envelope and ask:
What is the population of the USA? What is 0.01% of that population? How many new Covid cases do we have a day now?
What does that tell you?
Again, the claim that “94% of Americans” have antibodies is simply incorrect. Yppej is quoting a number which is not representative of the entire US population. And when challenged on it, resorts to sophistry.
Yppej also claims 99.99% have antibodies now. This doesn’t even hold up to basic critical reasoning skills. Grab the back of an envelope and ask:
What is the population of the USA? What is 0.01% of that population? How many new Covid cases do we have a day now?
What does that tell you?
What Bae means is, only reported cases count. The people who are asymptomatic and have no idea they have covid don't count. The mildly symptomatic who think they just have a cold and don't get tested don't count. The people who suspect they have covid but can't take off work don't count. The people who are sick but figure it must be the flu because they already had covid don't count. The kids whose parents don't test them because who would watch them when they can't get off work don't count. My former classmate who has had covid twice per home tests but won't report them to the government because he doesn't want to be in their database doesn't count. Only cases the government knows about and counts matter.
Interesting how the fearmongers work. Earlier it was covid is much more prevalent than reported - be scared. Now that everyone is getting it, the story has changed to it's overcounted. Whatever narrative will induce panic, paranoia, and most importantly compliance with the dictates of a medical pharma industrial complex is the one they'll go with.
The fear must stay in place until a vaccine for little kids is rolled out - there's some money to be made vaxxing them. With the Supreme Court stopping the employer mandate adults are a dead end. So once the kiddie vaccines are rolled out we can get back to normal - until the next overhyped pandemic.
iris lilies
1-31-22, 8:44pm
Again, the claim that “94% of Americans” have antibodies is simply incorrect. Yppej is quoting a number which is not representative of the entire US population. And when challenged on it, resorts to sophistry.
Yppej also claims 99.99% have antibodies now. This doesn’t even hold up to basic critical reasoning skills. Grab the back of an envelope and ask:
What is the population of the USA? What is 0.01% of that population? How many new Covid cases do we have a day now?
What does that tell you?
Off the top of my head, something like 1/5 of Covid patients admitted to the hospital (for Covid specific treatment? I do not know) have been vaccinated.
that is of course not the number of people infected as you mention, but it is a good measure to look at because it is more of a controlled group with (presumably) accurate test results. Those getting Covid and not reporting at all…yeah, a lot more.
There is a lot of Covid around, I am not denying that.
and I think it is a lot.
Teacher Terry
1-31-22, 11:44pm
Chad the guy that won’t get it to have his transplant is a idiot.
Chad the guy that won’t get it to have his transplant is a idiot.
Yes. Of all the possible things worth making a point this isn't the hill I would personally die on. Literally. But maybe as he’s lying on his deathbed he’ll self righteously say to himself ‘but at least they didn’t give me that life saving vaccine. I’ve shown them what freedumb means!’
It's interesting that in Brazil despite their anti-vax president Bolsinaro there is very low vaccine hesitancy.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/11/despite-bolsonaro-brazil-has-barely-any-covid-anti-vaxxers.html
When you build a system based on healthcare being a right rather than a privilege only granted to you when it benefits the big pharma medical industrial complex, people trust you. Who woulda thunk?
ApatheticNoMore
2-1-22, 1:38pm
I don't understand "we're all going to get it either". It seems a bit too pessimistic about the prospect of Omicron specific vaccines even if though they are working on them. I understand not putting everything off and all. But we're for sure all going to get it before we get Omicron specific boosters?
iris lilies
2-1-22, 1:54pm
I don't understand "we're all going to get it either". It seems a bit too pessimistic about the prospect of Omicron specific vaccines even if though they are working on them. I understand not putting everything off and all. But we're for sure all going to get it before we get Omicron specific boosters?
hunh, what in this whole Covid circus is “for sure?”
ApatheticNoMore
2-1-22, 2:01pm
Well people are just casually tossing off "we're all going to get it". Like where does that even come from? Except being tired of pandemic and wishing one had never heard the word coronavirus.
If I get it, the rest of the population is doomed. :~)
Well people are just casually tossing off "we're all going to get it". Like where does that even come from? Except being tired of pandemic and wishing one had never heard the word coronavirus.
It comes from seropositivity rates in blood samples. it comes from wastewater tracking for covid. It comes from everyone you know having had it (suspected or confirmed). It comes from public health experts saying only 1 in 10 cases has been recorded and comparing that to caseloads over the course of the pandemic. It comes from the fact that the disease is even moving back and forth between people and animals that's how common it is. Bats to humans, humans to deer, rats a cause of variants, humans to felines, etc. It's here and it's not going away. With animal reservoirs even if we welded shut the doors of every positive person like they do in China it will never go away.
Teacher Terry
2-1-22, 2:55pm
Actually fauci said on tv that probably everyone will get it. I am not a fan of his after he funded the baby beagle research where they were eaten alive by sand fleas. Ugh!
iris lilies
2-1-22, 4:20pm
Actually fauci said on tv that probably everyone will get it. I am not a fan of his after he funded the baby beagle research where they were eaten alive by sand fleas. Ugh!
We in the animal rights community knew about that for decades. That’s just the tip of the iceberg of unnecessary and stupid and especially repetitive animal torture that takes place in laboratories.I wouldn't blame Dr. Anthony “IF YOU DISPUTE ME YOU DISPUTE SCIENCE!!!” Fauci exclusively for all of the torture.
One of my neighbors used to perform terrible eye experiments on cats. He quit when one day his daughter asked him “why do you do that why do you do that?” with tears in her eyes. He just up and quit.
One of my neighbors used to perform terrible eye experiments on cats. He quit when one day his daughter asked him “why do you do that why do you do that?” with tears in her eyes. He just up and quit.
I feel bad when I walk past the butcher's counter in our local market and see all that factory-farmed meat.
ApatheticNoMore
2-1-22, 6:32pm
It comes from seropositivity rates in blood samples.
much of that is from vaccination though right. SO IT ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT COUNT AS HAVING COVID. Vaccination <> Covid. And when an omicron vaccine comes if it does, it will not be "having had Omicron". Vaccination is not having had it, vaccination usually prevents precisely that. Or am I going to claim I had TB, yea I've had TB, measles, mumps and rubella, tetanus, maybe polio.
If I had more risks I would not hesitate to get a 4th shot now though.
Resources:
https://www.bmj.com/about-bmj/resources-readers/publications/statistics-square-one/3-populations-and-samples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grrlscientist/2020/08/28/calling-bullsht-by-carl-bergstrom--jevin-west---review/?sh=24f449c656f6
vaccination usually prevents precisely that.
No vaccination doesn't prevent covid. It prevents severe outcomes from it. You're months behind on your info.
I feel bad when I walk past the butcher's counter in our local market and see all that factory-farmed meat.
You can get a free starter kit from PETA.
You can get a free starter kit from PETA.
Simpler still to hire 4H kids here to raise animals in an ethical fashion.
The sins of the unvaccinated parents are visited upon the children:
https://www.politico.eu/article/hospitals-refused-to-treat-toddler-as-his-parents-were-unvaccinated/
until Greece saves the day.
ApatheticNoMore
2-2-22, 2:03pm
No vaccination doesn't prevent covid. It prevents severe outcomes from it. You're months behind on your info.
Months? How long has Omicron been around? 2 months. Vaccination actually was fairly protective FROM INFECTION before Omicron. Even with Omicron it doesn't provide no protection against infection but there are lots of breakthroughs.
But anyway anyone who was vaccinated before Omicron and took precautions since is not necessarily "all going to get covid" presuming they didn't already have it. I upped precautions because I knew whatever info we had going into the holidays was probably going to be complete garbage, and we'd have to wait for the fog of the holidays to pass before much of anything would be known (re Omicron). Finding antibodies in someone's blood does not mean they EVER had covid, as vaccines produce antibodies as well.
This is the latest from our health dept. With omicron there is a difference between absolute immunity and a secondary protection offered by T cell immunity when it come to vaccines. Something for someone else to look up if interested.
The most recent modeling report from the Colorado School of Public Health estimates that 42% of all Coloradoans have been infected with Omicron and that 78% of residents have Omicron-specific immunity due to either vaccination or recent infection. While infection from natural immunity may not last as long as that from vaccines, it will likely last at least 3 months, providing a bridge to the warmer months of the year when COVID transmission is less of a risk.
This is the latest from our health dept. With omicron there is a difference between absolute immunity and a secondary protection offered by T cell immunity when it come to vaccines. Something for someone else to look up if interested.
The most recent modeling report from the Colorado School of Public Health estimates that 42% of all Coloradoans have been infected with Omicron and that 78% of residents have Omicron-specific immunity due to either vaccination or recent infection. While infection from natural immunity may not last as long as that from vaccines, it will likely last at least 3 months, providing a bridge to the warmer months of the year when COVID transmission is less of a risk.
I have seen restrictions coming down in Colorado. It's nice to see a place that can accept good news instead of wallowing in fear forever.
I have seen restrictions coming down in Colorado. It's nice to see a place that can accept good news instead of wallowing in fear forever.
My biggest wallow of fear rests with conspiracy theorists spreading disinformation. Maybe that will settle down some now, too.
My biggest wallow of fear rests with conspiracy theorists spreading disinformation. Maybe that will settle down some now, too.
There was this weekend an anti-mask/anti-vax parade in my little village, which turned into a protest in which the parade participants went into local businesses and yelled at and insulted employees and customers, disrupted commerce, and violated those establishments' mask rules. They also yelled sick things at small children in the village.
Gonna be hell when they realize what "being trespassed" and no longer allowed inside the two grocery markets and the single pharmacy will to do their lifestyle....
Maybe it's their opening move for a hunger strike, I dunno...
My biggest wallow of fear rests with conspiracy theorists spreading disinformation.
I see that a Johns Hopkins study shows that all of the lockdown/no congregating/shelter-in-place efforts that were such a big part of our initial Covid response were statistically irrelevant to the overall Covid fatality count. Do you think that is disinformation spread by conspiracy theorists or if it's found acceptable, does that mean the people saying the same thing last year and the year before were not spreading disinformation afterall?
I see that a Johns Hopkins study shows that all of the lockdown/no congregating/shelter-in-place efforts that were such a big part of our initial Covid response were statistically irrelevant to the overall Covid fatality count. Do you think that is disinformation spread by conspiracy theorists or if it's found acceptable, does that mean the people saying the same thing last year and the year before were not spreading disinformation afterall?
The best case of science of the day can change what ever current best practice is. I suppose there is a very remote possibility that some day they will prove that vaccines cause long term brain damage and contain Bill Gates chips to trace people. Then all the guys who have been banned or red flagged from social medias can say, I told you so.
Then all the guys who have been banned or red flagged from social medias can say, I told you so.Too bad that probably won't make up for the loss of reputation/job/career or whatever else goes along with being labeled a conspiracy theorist.
Too bad that probably won't make up for the loss of reputation/job/career or whatever else goes along with being labeled a conspiracy theorist.
I suspect there will be always be new conspiracies for the more enterprising to redeem themselves with. Guys like Rush made a lucrative lifetime living of it. There's probably still opportunities in the Jan. 6 protest, the fake election results, and climate change. Though I think the flat earther movement died with the rocket man.
Guys like Rush made a lucrative lifetime living of it.I guess that was sort of my point. Once someone is labeled, subsequent information, changing attitudes and even death itself won't take away the stigma, especially if the labeling is done because of ideology. Too bad so many covid related claims of disinformation come down to that.
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