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ApatheticNoMore
2-2-22, 8:03pm
Too bad that probably won't make up for the loss of reputation/job/career or whatever else goes along with being labeled a conspiracy theorist.
too bad, tough luck. what a bunch of snowflakes. I mean if you are going to have obscure non mainstream ideas isn't it the nature of things to maybe be obscure even if you were right. And if you are going to spread ideas with no basis at all well uh ...
Too bad that probably won't make up for the loss of reputation/job/career or whatever else goes along with being labeled a conspiracy theorist.
Don't worry, within a couple years the conspiracy theorists will be back in charge of the White House and Congress. They can then get back to their thorough hoodwinking of the proudly ignorant and easily fooled in flyover country.
Don't worry, within a couple years the conspiracy theorists will be back in charge of the White House and Congress. They can then get back to their thorough hoodwinking of the proudly ignorant and easily fooled in flyover country.
You know that's what I like about you Jake, I know you're bright enough to use satire/sarcasm efficiently, I just never know if you are.
You know that's what I like about you Jake, I know you're bright enough to use satire/sarcasm efficiently, I just never know if you are.
Touche!
Possibly of interest to those curious about our post-factual world:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pops.12396
Covid positivity is down to 3.00% in my state and will go even lower. (No, I don't have a crystal ball - I look at wastewater data.) Hospital capacity is back to normal and my dad had his knee surgery today that he has been waiting since November for.
I wonder what excuse the Board of Health and Library will come up with to keep their mask mandate in place.
My dad, 83, tested negative for covid the Friday prior to his knee surgery yesterday. He completely isolated 5 days prior to the surgery. He felt dizzy upon getting home after the operation and returned to the hospital where he then tested positive. So obviously he got it in the hospital - so much for masks preventing transmission.
He is boosted and vaccinated and has no covid symptoms. But I am sure he will now inflate the covid hospitalization statistics. These were weeks ago supposed to be separated out by hospitalized for covid vs with covid but the state is still lumping them all together in one bucket in its daily numbers. If he had just stayed overnight for observation as many patients do instead of pushing to go home he probably would never have been counted as a covid patient.
ETA: I have not seen him in 6 weeks as his surgery kept getting delayed and I didn't want to maybe pass an asymptomatic infection I had to him - then he gets it anyways.
According to many fact check sites, Medicare with extra funding through the CARES act pays hospitals and doctors more when there is a Covid diagnosis. Every state tumbles the numbers differently and the lack of clarity continues.
catherine
2-15-22, 11:45am
So, I talked to 2 patients recently for a lung disease study. One of them acquired this lung disease a few years ago, and it has gotten so bad that he's waiting for a lung transplant. He veered off topic to start a diatribe against the government and about how he would never get vaccinated because "you don't know what's in it?" And I'm thinking, he is severely disabled with a respiratory disease, and unfortunately the statistics say that he is probably going to die within a couple of years, vaccine or not. He's worried about a COVID vaccine?
The second patient's lungs were completely scarred and messed up BECAUSE of COVID. He got COVID, was 72 days in the hospital, the doctors told him he wouldn't make it through the night, his lungs developed severe scarring and he's 80% disabled, and he was being evaluated for a dual lung transplant. His wife got COVID, his daughter got COVID. But, still, he said he would NOT get the COVID vaccine. He said "I don't believe in the vaccines, because there's not enough time to see what is going to happen."
I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to me, some opinions are beyond reason.
iris lilies
2-15-22, 12:11pm
According to many fact check sites, Medicare with extra funding through the CARES act pays hospitals and doctors more when there is a Covid diagnosis. Every state tumbles the numbers differently and the lack of clarity continues.
Yes. Perhaps there ARE ways to have clean, internally consistent numbers, but that shipped sailed two years ago. It is all an estimate.
The number I believe is that hospitals are slammed, and much/most of that due to influx of Covid-serious-sick patients. That others show up or leave with Covid is of less interest, but of course they get counted among Covid patients.
ApatheticNoMore
2-15-22, 1:28pm
Since covid can cause many of the things you might end up in the hospital with, there is no easy way to disentangle them, heart attack, covid can cause that, blood clots, yep covid can cause that, stroke, possibly, lung problems obviously. The only clearly not caused by covid is things like pregnancy (I suppose covid could cause complications but it doesn't cause pregnancy), a schedule surgery like knee surgery etc.. Even a broken bone could I supposed be caused by one of the long covid type symptoms like brain fog or fatigue making one clumsy although clearly one can get a broken bone without covid. And one doesn't die of many of these things either.
My friend's uncle's gardener saw a tweet about this thing someone wrote on a wall about a new flavor of covid the other day:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.14.480335v1.full.pdf
Ultralight
2-17-22, 6:03pm
My friend's uncle's gardener saw a tweet about this thing someone wrote on a wall about a new flavor of covid the other day:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.14.480335v1.full.pdf
TLDR?
TLDR?
Omicron The Sequel: More resistant. At least in hamsters.
flowerseverywhere
2-17-22, 7:44pm
I’ve been reading the back and forth for the past month. Here is what I’m relying on
number of ICU beds available, which even if available may not be staffed. I would have to be transported over an hour if I needed an ICU. And I don’t live in a rural area. I saw a bicyclist get hit today and he went flying off his bike. Several people got to him before me but I could see his scraped up face and he could not walk. Luckily the ambulance got there quickly and all I could think of was what if he needs a high level of care. Can this young man get it?
the cdc excess death report. Compared to many years of death data, over a million more people have died than usual since the start of COVID. Arguing if they died because of COVID or with COVID is useless. They died at a higher rate than average and many could still be alive.
life expectancy which has decreased.
it has been a heartbreaking few years with many taken from us too early.
My city rescinded its mask mandate. The room was packed and other people called in remotely. It was one heartbreaking story after another - my daughter is deaf and relies on lip reading but can't when people are wearing masks, my son is autistic and a mask feels like a thousand needles stabbing his face, my child has trouble breathing but is denied a mask break outside because it's too cold. The harshness and rigidity especially with special needs students has been appalling.
Ultralight
2-17-22, 10:57pm
Omicron The Sequel: More resistant. At least in hamsters.
Dang it!
Dang it!
Yeah. It’s going to be damned hard putting masks on those hamsters.
ApatheticNoMore
2-18-22, 3:37am
yea back and forth, the case for it not being a big deal is it didn't seem to cause a 2nd wave in places hit hard by omicron version 1, like South Africa, but then it is the wave in Denmark, and south africa is where the omicron is mild speculation came from initially, it was not mild in u.s. not that well vaccinated etc. population.
This is an interesting https://theconversation.com/vaccine-hesitancy-why-doing-your-own-research-doesnt-work-but-reason-alone-wont-change-minds-169814?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20 for%20February%2018%202022&utm_content=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20f or%20February%2018%202022+CID_53c180f984eaa397d483 28050fdc92f8&utm_source=campaign_monitor_ca&utm_term=Vaccine%20hesitancy%20Why%20doing%20your% 20own%20research%20doesnt%20work%20butt%20reason%2 0alone%20wont%20change%20minds (https://theconversation.com/vaccine-hesitancy-why-doing-your-own-research-doesnt-work-but-reason-alone-wont-change-minds-169814?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20 for%20February%2018%202022&utm_content=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20f or%20February%2018%202022+CID_53c180f984eaa397d483 28050fdc92f8&utm_source=campaign_monitor_ca&utm_term=Vaccine%20hesitancy%20Why%20doing%20your% 20own%20research%20doesnt%20work%20but%20reason%20 alone%20wont%20change%20minds) article on the hesitant vaxxer mindset. We are all experiencing similar issues about masks, 4th jabs, group situations, you name it, etc.
Quote:
The tethered mind
A more realistic conception of the human mind is one where we are reasoning creatures, but the reasoning system is interconnected — or tethered — to other biological systems that evolved earlier and function without our conscious input or awareness. Some examples are autonomic, instinctive and associative systems. This is a common-sense idea with deep implications developed in my book Reason and Less: Pursuing Food, Sex and Politics. What it means is that human behaviour is affected by all of these systems — not just reason, as is often assumed.
Diagram of different aspects of behaviour.
Reason is not the only factor in determining behaviour. Instinctive, automatic and associative systems also play a role. (V. Goel), Author provided
How these systems interact is guided by feelings: pleasure and displeasure. In some situations, the same action may be triggered by multiple systems. In other situations, different systems trigger different — even contradictory — actions. The overall response is guided by the principle of maximizing pleasure and minimizing displeasure, determined by combining the individual system responses
In-groups and out-groups
Deciding who to believe activates in-group/out-group systems. The in-group is always good and righteous. The out-group is of questionable virtue and held in lower regard. This bias is often regarded as based in belief or reason. If this were the case, we should be able to change it by changing beliefs, but we cannot.
Interesting flu stuff: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-021-00642-4
Queen Elizabeth II has covid and is experiencing "mild, coldlike symptoms". The vaccines work, but hey cower away in fear the rest of your life if you want to.
ETA She is continuing with her duties. I guess when you live through things like World War II it gives you perspective.
Queen Elizabeth II has covid and is experiencing "mild, coldlike symptoms". The vaccines work, but hey cower away in fear the rest of your life if you want to.
ETA She is continuing with her duties. I guess when you live through things like World War II it gives you perspective.
Oh dear. I hope she is okay. Most of the people who lived through World War II are gone now. My mom is her age and worked in a ship building plant for the Navy. Dad fought at Guadacanal and died last year. I don't think her resistance to the virus has anything to do with World War II, and I pray she gets better.
Oh dear. I hope she is okay. Most of the people who lived through World War II are gone now. My mom is her age and worked in a ship building plant for the Navy. Dad fought at Guadacanal and died last year. I don't think her resistance to the virus has anything to do with World War II, and I pray she gets better.
No, WW2 does not give her immunity, but that experience does keep her from getting paranoid and freaking out like some younger, healthier people here do. She is working not hiding under the covers quaking in fear.
No, WW2 does not give her immunity, but that experience does keep her from getting paranoid and freaking out like some younger, healthier people here do. She is working not hiding under the covers quaking in fear.
Of course she'll get the best medical care possible on this planet, at the earliest possible moment. So there's that.
Is anyone else feeling like our current Covid strategy is largely based on wishful thinking? I know we are at the end of a surge, but I feel like we've decided (collective we) that if we pretend it's all over and stop taking precautions, that it will indeed be over.
Is anyone else feeling like our current Covid strategy is largely based on wishful thinking? I know we are at the end of a surge, but I feel like we've decided (collective we) that if we pretend it's all over and stop taking precautions, that it will indeed be over.
I was thinking exactly the same thing yesterday!
I have stopped wearing a mask in stores since it seems no one else is either. As it has been since the beginning, endless mixed messages and now other news seems to have superceded Covid. Who really knows anymore??
"Behavioural changes (social distancing, mask wearing and hygiene measures) and travel and movement restrictions are thought to be the major factors driving the reduction in influenza incidence..."
Which goes to show human beings can go a long way toward mitigating epidemics entirely on their own. I hope we have well and truly learned that lesson.
Is anyone else feeling like our current Covid strategy is largely based on wishful thinking? I know we are at the end of a surge, but I feel like we've decided (collective we) that if we pretend it's all over and stop taking precautions, that it will indeed be over.
Our governor has been promoting pretty much life back to pre-pandemic. I don't think we are quite there yet, but close. The claim is that 90% of the population is immune, either from contracting the virus or being vaccinated. That's not really true. Vaccination seems to prevent more severe infections, but is not exactly immunity. Our positivity rate is around what they are calling 4% and anything below 5% is supposed to be a magic number of low risk. I guess we'll see since everyone seems to be reverting to the old norm.
I helped medevac a person just this week, they died a few days later. Covid. No vaccinations. Early-60s, male, not especially overweight, "acceptable" health history.
I think they thought it was all over too. Ooops.
ApatheticNoMore
3-4-22, 7:57pm
I wear a mask to the stores, half the time I don't know what the law even is anymore, but I think the "cost" of wearing a mask to the store (for what an hour maybe) is very low, so why not. I weigh getting covid as worse than that, no I don't mean dying, I mean being sick for say if I'm unlucky a couple weeks with a small potential of it becoming long covid that lasts a great deal longer. But what about everything else? Yea plenty of things may be harder than wearing a mask an hour in the supermarket. Just that decision is an easy one for me.
The claim is that 90% of the population is immune, either from contracting the virus or being vaccinated. That's not really true. Vaccination seems to prevent more severe infections, but is not exactly immunity.
The claim is probably crossing the line into straight up misinformation. Immunity doesn't exist for this (I mean if we get nasal vaccines or something maybe, but currently). Infections don't provide it either. And vaccines may wane as does infection acquired protection probably. And what maybe only 1/4th of the population is triple vaccinated. If they are counting double vaccinated as vaccinated that's incorrect.
More like: with triple vaccinations or infection there is decent immunity from the worst short term consequences for a period of time at any rate.
Is anyone else feeling like our current Covid strategy is largely based on wishful thinking? I know we are at the end of a surge, but I feel like we've decided (collective we) that if we pretend it's all over and stop taking precautions, that it will indeed be over.
I read a piece a while back that there is no clear point when a pandemic becomes endemic. It becomes endemic when we decide to stop revolving our lives around it.
All the nervous people can relax because the health officials will undoubtedly try to reimpose restrictions in the fall when cases of this seasonal respiratory virus start trending up again. It won't be as easy to scare people this time though. There will be more resistance, and by then we should have many more scientific studies showing the complete uselessness of things like most masks. This opposition will slow things down until after the November election.
I wear a mask to the stores, half the time I don't know what the law even is anymore, but I think the "cost" of wearing a mask to the store (for what an hour maybe) is very low, so why not. I weigh getting covid as worse than that, no I don't mean dying, I mean being sick for say if I'm unlucky a couple weeks with a small potential of it becoming long covid that lasts a great deal longer. But what about everything else? Yea plenty of things may be harder than wearing a mask an hour in the supermarket. Just that decision is an easy one for me.
The claim is probably crossing the line into straight up misinformation. Immunity doesn't exist for this (I mean if we get nasal vaccines or something maybe, but currently). Infections don't provide it either. And vaccines may wane as does infection acquired protection probably. And what maybe only 1/4th of the population is triple vaccinated. If they are counting double vaccinated as vaccinated that's incorrect.
More like: with triple vaccinations or infection there is decent immunity from the worst short term consequences for a period of time at any rate.
There are still many wearing masks in stores around here, and DH and I are among them, having done pretty much the same cost/benefit analysis as you did. The grocery store will never be my happy place of optimal comfort no matter what, so wearing a mask in stores isn't a burden for us.
We, too, wear masks when out in public. I see no reason to stop. Those who aren't wearing masks- that's why I wear one. No sense getting exposed to who knows what.
We, too, wear masks when out in public. I see no reason to stop. Those who aren't wearing masks- that's why I wear one. No sense getting exposed to who knows what.
Your choice but I hope you don't have young children you are teaching to be afraid of fellow human beings, or to identify themselves as potential disease vectors. This is very damaging psychologically. We have enough body shaming without kids being afraid of their breath or other normal parts of their bodies.
I think the idea that fellow human beings are not to be feared is debatable!
The thing I have noted throughout the last five years including Covid years is a general "I don't wanna" attitude concerning all sorts of choices...this is what we are teaching our children.
Covid protocols, even according to the liberal New York Times, were largely wasted efforts:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/briefing/covid-precautions-red-blue-states.html
dado potato
3-10-22, 12:53am
COVID 19 has been an ordeal.
This week in my county there were just 3 new cases.
All Bell full peal PLENUM
Belissimo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pr5DZ9WJpE
frugal-one
3-10-22, 10:30am
Here in Texas on tv they are telling people if they test positive at home…. they don’t have to report it. So, what are the numbers really?
Here in Texas on tv they are telling people if they test positive at home…. they don’t have to report it. So, what are the numbers really?
I'm able to find recent Covid hospitalizations and deaths by county. Those seem like as relevant as anything, anyway.
My daughter's partner, in the UK, just came down with covid. Vaxxed-and-booster, super healthy/fit, ~25 years old. Symptoms were a several-day bad cold and fatigue, then a bit of fatigue lingering for at least a week now after the peak symptoms calmed down. Self-quarantining to avoid killing elderly relatives they were going to be visiting this week.
First over half the covid hospitalizations in my state were revealed to be incidental, now today the state admitted that over 4,000 people they said died of covid died of something else.
And the FDA was forced to release damning information showing over 1000 people died from the Pfizer vaccines in a 3 month period. Austria has pulled it off the market.
I wonder how long it will take for someone here to come out of the darkness and join me in the light as the covid paranoia house of cards crumbles.
Facts:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00054-8/fulltext
Or Yppej:
Soviet agit-prop. (and badly mixed up at that, must be some corruption to the signal)
ToomuchStuff
3-10-22, 9:14pm
Here in Texas on tv they are telling people if they test positive at home…. they don’t have to report it. So, what are the numbers really?
I am ignorant on these kits.
How accurate at the test at home kits?
Are they the same thing that the government was giving out free, or is this an over the counter one that was developed?
Also what threats/punishment would they have to make people report it and how would they do the follow through? (medical staff, they can suspend licensing)
I am ignorant on these kits.
How accurate at the test at home kits?
Are they the same thing that the government was giving out free, or is this an over the counter one that was developed?
Also what threats/punishment would they have to make people report it and how would they do the follow through? (medical staff, they can suspend licensing)
I would assume that there's nothing that health authorities can do if people don't report their at home positive test. I assume that the omicron wave was waaaaaay bigger than the reported numbers because so many people are doing home tests rather than going to the doc or a testing site. In the small kansas town where my cousin lives the health department a few weeks ago had to run a notice in the newspaper begging people to pick up the phone when they called. That they weren't trying to do anything nefarious, they were just calling to check and see how people were doing. The health department had also completely stopped doing any testing or reporting because the staff are all moonlighters from their day jobs at the hospital who were plenty busy with their day jobs at the time. (they were sending people as far away as denver (200 miles away) because their hospital and every other hospital in the area were overflowing with people seriously ill with covid.)
My anecdotal thoughts on the home covid tests (yes, the government home tests are the same ones you can buy at the drug store) are that they tend to have more false negatives than false positives. I know several people who had them show negative more than once but then tested positive when they went to a medical facility. I don't know anyone that thinks they had a false positive.
I am ignorant on these kits.
How accurate at the test at home kits?
Are they the same thing that the government was giving out free, or is this an over the counter one that was developed?
Also what threats/punishment would they have to make people report it and how would they do the follow through? (medical staff, they can suspend licensing)
Maybe you should threaten and punish Biden. His test to treat program is going to create a one stop shop at pharmacies. This empowerment of people to deal with covid outside traditional channels is obviously very frightening for you. Oh no, we're losing control!
My anecdotal thoughts on the home covid tests (yes, the government home tests are the same ones you can buy at the drug store) are that they tend to have more false negatives than false positives. I know several people who had them show negative more than once but then tested positive when they went to a medical facility. I don't know anyone that thinks they had a false positive.
Just before Christmas, I was notified of a close Covid exposure at work and to get tested. The drug store home test I used was negative but was still advised to to get a PCR test to be sure because of concern over false negatives in particular. PCR also negative but the turnaround was longer due to the surge in testing at the time.
In England there are now more flu deaths than covid deaths because of 1) vaccinations and 2) omicron being less deadly.
The US should follow shortly if it isn't already there. Therefore we shouldn't have any covid mandates unless there is a corresponding flu mandate. (I believe in certain medical professions flu shots are mandated.) But covid is being exaggerated because that benefits certain people and entities.
But covid is being exaggerated because that benefits certain people and entities.
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/64485785.jpg
ApatheticNoMore
3-11-22, 4:40pm
But covid is being exaggerated because that benefits certain people and entities.
"More than 18 million people - three times higher than official records suggest - have probably died because of Covid, say researchers.
Their report comes two years to the day from when the World Health Organization first declared the pandemic.
The Covid-19 excess mortality team at the US's Washington University studied 191 countries and territories for what they call the true global death figure."
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-60690251
FAKE NEWS!!!! FAKE STUDY!!! FAKE SCIENCE!!!! RESEARCHERS BEEN PAID OFF FOR SURE!!! INJECT BLEACH A.S.A.P.!!! INJECT BLEACH!!!
It's a global study, it's not specific to the u.s. or parts of it. More covid deaths than flu deaths is just well I suspect it's playing with numbers. Of people infected with flu or covid perhaps more die with flu, but since many more people get infected with covid, the reality is you don't have more flu that covid deaths. There just aren't more flu than covid deaths. That's just false. But someday there might be, well very well, that's just speculation, but sure someday their might be .... (and maybe it's because someday we have a flu pandemic but anyway). I mean literally seems pretty crazy to make decision based on what might be (or might not be but might be) a temporary lull. Flu deaths aren't even known until after flu season.
I know no convincing yeppej, whatever she cares about it's not getting at the truth. It's some weird performative freedom and information be damned. Yea whatever, no thanks.
As of today the US is still averaging 1,292 covid deaths per day. At that rate we would have 471,000 deaths for the year. Flu deaths are nowhere near that level, ever, in the past 100 years. The absolute worst flu season in the US in any of our lifetimes was 1957 with 116,000 deaths. The population was half as much then but even adjusting for population that would be 232,000 deaths. For the years 2010-2020 the average flu deaths in the US was 34,200. 1/12 the current death rate from covid. But sure, if one wants to normalize the current death rate I suppose that one can make that choice. Personally I’m not willing to be so casual when discussing a disease that has, in just two years, killed roughly 1 out of every 338 Americans and is still today, at the low end after a big surge, killing us at a rate of nearly 500,000 per year.
In England there are now more flu deaths than covid deaths because of 1) vaccinations and 2) omicron being less deadly.
There just aren't more flu than covid deaths. That's just false....
I know no convincing yeppej, whatever she cares about it's not getting at the truth. It's some weird performative freedom and information be damned. Yea whatever, no thanks.
I know there's a certain odd cachet in our small circle associated with belittling Jeppy, but she's right about this.
The original Financial Times story is behind a paywall but you can get a synopsis of it here: In England, COVID is now less deadly than the flu. But what about in the U.S.? (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/in-england-covid-is-now-less-deadly-than-the-flu-but-what-about-in-the-us/ar-AAUVkkK?ocid=uxbndlbing)
ApatheticNoMore
3-11-22, 5:41pm
like I said (or maybe did, I think I edited my post too much lol) it's playing with numbers, even if a person who catches covid has less chance of dying of it than the flu if more people catch covid (look probably because transmissibility but I don't know the R0), thus you have more total deaths.
Omicron was less deadly than prior covid waves by that measure. In the U.S. insufficiently vaccinated as it is, there were more deaths due to Omicorn though because more people had it. I mean you can play some game, oh it doesn't really matter how many people die, the only thing that matters is deaths per people that catch it, but this tends not to match what people care about (it's not EVEN a useful measure if one was trying to figure their own odds with a positive covid test, it's too broad, that depends on vaccinations of course and then age and illnesses).
I know there's a certain odd cachet in our small circle associated with belittling Jeppy, but she's right about this.
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Yppej quickly goes from scanning headlines to drawing conclusions, generally incorrectly. And typically cherry-picking things to support their pre-existing biases.
I spent several months in the UK during several of the waves. Their results are considerably more nuanced and depend on a few more things than Yppej's off-the-cuff quip. I believe I have mentioned here some of what I observed in the past.
And Yppej's "the covid is exaggerated because that benefits certain people and entities" is straight out of the Kremlin, and unsupported by fact.
If pointing that out is "belittling", well, so be it.
Safety tip though, the AstraZenica maths people are just a short walk from the Green Dragon pub (yes, *that* Green Dragon), which you may find of use some day if you are Doing Useful Things. I strongly suggest the pub *after* the maths.
I also suggest discounting pretty much everything Yppej says on the matter.
https://i.imgur.com/NmAD67E.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/J5Fg2Ao.jpg
ApatheticNoMore
3-11-22, 6:14pm
BTW I hear covid somewhat increasing in the UK now. Go ahead make a grand prediction is it a bump or the start of a massive wave? Afterall, yeppej would ....
As of today the US is still averaging 1,292 covid deaths per day. At that rate we would have 471,000 deaths for the year. Flu deaths are nowhere near that level, ever, in the past 100 years. The absolute worst flu season in the US in any of our lifetimes was 1957 with 116,000 deaths. The population was half as much then but even adjusting for population that would be 232,000 deaths. For the years 2010-2020 the average flu deaths in the US was 34,200. 1/12 the current death rate from covid. But sure, if one wants to normalize the current death rate I suppose that one can make that choice. Personally I’m not willing to be so casual when discussing a disease that has, in just two years, killed roughly 1 out of every 338 Americans and is still today, at the low end after a big surge, killing us at a rate of nearly 500,000 per year.
You're forgetting the Spanish flu of 1918.
You're forgetting the Spanish flu of 1918.
No I’m not. That ended more than 100 years ago.
So now "the science" figures since they can't vaccinate animals, which are a reservoir for covid and other diseases, they will engineer a viral vaccine that creatures can pass to each other.
Because this couldn't evolve and get out of control like the virus did in the Wuhan lab, right????
Wuhan lab, eh? The last I saw, scientists had generally ruled that out.
Washington saw a decline in COVID cases in the last few days. Good news.
iris lilies
3-18-22, 1:55pm
Wuhan lab, eh? The last I saw, scientists had generally ruled that out.
Washington saw a decline in COVID cases in the last few days. Good news.
Yes, ruling it out is likely, but we will never really know given the lies that come out of China.
The big improvement in The Science in recent many months is that reasonable people were allowed to examine the Wuhan-lab leak theory without jeering at them.
Science is the best tool we have, but it's subject to all the same human frailties (politics, greed, ambition, envy...) as other human endeavors.
The big improvement in The Science in recent many months is that reasonable people were allowed to examine the Wuhan-lab leak theory without jeering at them.
Much like the Hunter Biden laptop story. Banned in social media one day, grudgingly allowed the next.
Maybe “the Science” has become one of those rhetorical devices like “experts say” or “violating norms”. A vague but important-sounding smokescreen from which to attack uncongenial arguments.
ApatheticNoMore
3-20-22, 1:31pm
The degree to which it was ever banned is probably way overstated, I think the Wuhan-lab leak theory has gone in and out of favor at times, sure there were times it was out of favor. The arguments against it were mostly that the characteristics of the virus meant it couldn't be a lab leak. Is almost anyone who would want to opine on that actually remotely qualified to? In most cases no. The degree to which China lies, oh please, all governments lie.
But it also struck me as not the most relevant question either, I think what many people wanted was better policy responses to the coronavirus. And some endless debate about orgins is just oh so fascinating, hey look at that squirrel over there, when the point is dealing with it now. Unless you are going to go full conspiracy, the virus was deliberately developed and released, not by accident, to say kill off some surplus population. And then well it is a simple explanation of why policy responses have been so bad. But hmm. But if it was a lab leak it could happen again. Yea maybe, I don't see whether it happened or not as being that informative of the possibility of a lab leak in the future. I mean the virus could have nothing to do with a lab leak, and study of gain of function and loose procedures could still have the possibility of leading to a lab leak sometimes in the future. I guess if everyone knew it was a lab leak and it was accidental, it would have some positive inhibiting effect, of the "omg what have we done, we need to stop this from happening again!" sort.
So people who said "listen to the science" I think mostly wanted better policy responses. I mean we had advocacy of utterly unproved medicines (hydroxychloroquine for one) coming as a response from the white house while people were getting sick and dying. Of course we did also have actual vaccine development.
Maybe “the Science” has become one of those rhetorical devices like “experts say” or “violating norms”. A vague but important-sounding smokescreen from which to attack uncongenial arguments.
If you're going to be dismissive of everything you disagree with you should at least include the ultimate in meaningless dismissive statements. "cancel culture"
But seriously, the reason some people have become dismissive of "the science" is because for the last two years we've watched "the science" happen in real time. In broad public view. Prior to covid "the science" happened in academic journals and academic conferences and the only people who paid attention were the academic people who work in that field. By the time "the science" was presented to the public years and years of study, discussion, revision, further study, further discussion, and finally, broad consensus was reached and the results would be shared with the broader public. Covid brought that normally messy process out into public from the start, on a very condensed timeline.
ApatheticNoMore
3-20-22, 2:33pm
But seriously, the reason some people have become dismissive of "the science" is because for the last two years we've watched "the science" happen in real time. In broad public view.
honestly does much if any of this have anything to do with actual science or are we just talking about politically appointed talking heads discussing "the science", and others who are bribed political operatives. Blaming scientists for what those people do, doesn't seem a fair critique of science.
Prior to covid "the science" happened in academic journals and academic conferences and the only people who paid attention were the academic people who work in that field. By the time "the science" was presented to the public years and years of study, discussion, revision, further study, further discussion, and finally, broad consensus was reached and the results would be shared with the broader public.
And otoh this seems a highly romanticized and idealized view of science, almost a fairy tale. Like I don't think that's how almost anything happens in an often messy field like medicine, which is kind of what we are dealing with. It's not that noone is working on any actual science. If it's funded they are. But treatment decisions may be made on incomplete information etc..
And then issues of replicability have been raised (even in actual not just social science) but I don't know how significant that is. The problem is then scientists find themselves dealing with dishonest actors that just want to raise doubt like with tobacco or climate change (merchants of doubt). Anyway I think all anyone wanted out of "follow the science" from Trump was: do something to control this @#$# virus, don't just push a bunch of cures that don't work like so much snake oil!
According to this article, J&J has impressive staying power:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/20/health/johnson-and-johnson-covid-19-vaccine/index.html
honestly does much if any of this have anything to do with actual science or are we just talking about politically appointed talking heads discussing "the science", and others who are bribed political operatives. Blaming scientists for what those people do, doesn't seem a fair critique of science.
And otoh this seems a highly romanticized and idealized view of science, almost a fairy tale. Like I don't think that's how almost anything happens in an often messy field like medicine, which is kind of what we are dealing with. It's not that noone is working on any actual science. If it's funded they are. But treatment decisions may be made on incomplete information etc..
And then issues of replicability have been raised (even in actual not just social science) but I don't know how significant that is. The problem is then scientists find themselves dealing with dishonest actors that just want to raise doubt like with tobacco or climate change (merchants of doubt). Anyway I think all anyone wanted out of "follow the science" from Trump was: do something to control this @#$# virus, don't just push a bunch of cures that don't work like so much snake oil!
If it came across that I think science happens in a leave it to beaver world of politeness and perfect honesty then i failed to make my point. My point was simply that before covid science didn’t happen on the front page of every newspaper. Now it does. Sometimes honestly and messily. Sometimes dishonestly because it’s a politician or partisan hack media figure with an agenda. But to the average person it can easily end up looking like no one knows what the eff they are doing so why trust any of it.
If it came across that I think science happens in a leave it to beaver world of politeness and perfect honesty then i failed to make my point. My point was simply that before covid science didn’t happen on the front page of every newspaper. Now it does. Sometimes honestly and messily. Sometimes dishonestly because it’s a politician or partisan hack media figure with an agenda. But to the average person it can easily end up looking like no one knows what the eff they are doing so why trust any of it.
If only it were out in the open. The CDC is hiding data and medical practitioners are having to get data from places like Israel.
The reason? The data shows people, with a few rare immunocompromised exceptions, do not need boosters if they are under age 65, but the CDC is looking out for the interests of Big Pharma.
If it came across that I think science happens in a leave it to beaver world of politeness and perfect honesty then i failed to make my point. My point was simply that before covid science didn’t happen on the front page of every newspaper. Now it does. Sometimes honestly and messily. Sometimes dishonestly because it’s a politician or partisan hack media figure with an agenda. But to the average person it can easily end up looking like no one knows what the eff they are doing so why trust any of it.
This is true. Trusting the science does not mean you must trust the scientist. Especially if the scientist sits atop a large government bureaucracy subject to all the usual public relations and political pressures. When one goes on the Sunday morning talkers to claim “attacking me is attacking science”, it arouses the skeptic in me. Accounting is a useful tool that makes much of our civilization possible, but that doesn’t make accountants mystical oracles. Trying to use “The Science” as a political bludgeon is like accusing your opponents of being unpatriotic. It’s an attempt to borrow someone else’s credibility for your own purposes.
By the same token bashing someone’s credibility simply because of the position they hold rather than because of specific dubious or dishonest actions they took isn’t much of an improvement to the situation.
By the same token bashing someone’s credibility simply because of the position they hold rather than because of specific dubious or dishonest actions they took isn’t much of an improvement to the situation.
That's why you should read The Real Anthony Fauci. You would get the lowdown on the dubious and dishonest actions he has taken.
ApatheticNoMore
3-21-22, 12:51pm
If it came across that I think science happens in a leave it to beaver world of politeness and perfect honesty then i failed to make my point.
Science takes place in the social system and will have the taint of everything in it (sure including racism, sexism, etc. which is miles from saying it is racist or sexist, but many meds have been much less studied in women etc.).
My point was simply that before covid science didn’t happen on the front page of every newspaper. Now it does. Sometimes honestly and messily. Sometimes dishonestly because it’s a politician or partisan hack media figure with an agenda. But to the average person it can easily end up looking like no one knows what the eff they are doing so why trust any of it.
Maybe the average person needs to be a bit more comfortable with uncertainty then :laff:. I know people are busy, although initially everyone's attention was on coronavirus, not so much now and we are in a low point for cases. But if it's something that has no harm like wearing a mask, then really. Look there is data on masks, but if one was deciding very early on. Of course that they are in general used (in medical setting, in prior pandemics) to prevent disease is also ...
By the same token bashing someone’s credibility simply because of the position they hold rather than because of specific dubious or dishonest actions they took isn’t much of an improvement to the situation.
I suspect to hold some positions, across multiple regimes, you need to be a political player, which is different it turns out that pure pursuit of truth. But this doesn't mean I think everything Fauci says is true or false, just that with fitting in comes finessing to the regime (though Trump was too much for Fauci).
That's why you should read The Real Anthony Fauci. You would get the lowdown on the dubious and dishonest actions he has taken.
The full title of the book is "The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health", by the noted scientist and even-headed researcher Robert F. Kennedy Jr..
It's hilariously bad.
ApatheticNoMore
3-21-22, 1:33pm
The reason? The data shows people, with a few rare immunocompromised exceptions, do not need boosters if they are under age 65, but the CDC is looking out for the interests of Big Pharma.
lol everyone has their guesses of what the unreleased CDC data may show. Maybe nothing, maybe it is bad data, regardless it is inappropriate to be hiding data. Me: maybe it shows something about effectiveness of various vaccines and breakthroughs, maybe long covid. Bf: it probably shows vaccines are less effective than they are saying and they think this might discourage vaccination, but eventually they need to stop coddling anti-vaxxers and just leave them to their fate.
lol everyone has their guesses of what the unreleased CDC data may show. Maybe nothing, maybe it is bad data, regardless it is inappropriate to be hiding data. Me: maybe it shows something about effectiveness of various vaccines and breakthroughs, maybe long covid. Bf: it probably shows vaccines are less effective than they are saying and they think this might discourage vaccination, but eventually they need to stop coddling anti-vaxxers and just leave them to their fate.
In a book I recently read (Premonition), Public health doctor Charity Dean opined that the only thing the CDC really did well was collating and publishing data.
But if it's something that has no harm like wearing a mask, then really.
(though Trump was too much for Fauci).
Tell a first grader trying to do speech therapy in a mask there's no harm.
Tell a deaf person trying to read lips there's no harm.
Tell a toddler collecting sneezes and snots inside their mask all day long and getting a bacterial infection there's no harm.
Tell an autistic child who feels like his face is being stabbed with a thousand needles there's no harm.
Tell the teens whose suicide rate is way up there's no harm.
What an elitist, cruel comment that because you who I doubt wear a mask 8 hours a day suffer no harms that there is no harm. Guess what, the whole universe isn't about you!
And Trump was not too much for Fauci. He could have retired, but he wanted to keep getting over $400,000 a year plus $150,000 for each new pharma product he gets through the regulatory process.
You just might be the most ill informed person here.
"German word of the day is Wohlstandsverwahrlosung, a state of decay that results from having it too easy for too long, leading you to selfishly compare your own petty grievances & mediocre accomplishments to the pain & struggle of people who know the meaning of real problems." -- Helene von Bismarck
ApatheticNoMore
3-21-22, 8:46pm
yeppej I want to say you are dumb and it often makes sense. I mean you present that way online. I think other explanations make more sense. Sociopathy maybe? Not that I care.
I have no idea what I am even ill informed on. Some stupid @#$# from yeppej mouth about masks which is mostly pretty far out there edge cases (getting an infection from a mask? That has to be more likely than even the cold and flus prevented by masks, um uh ... okay ...). I mean why don't you tell me there is no harm of people dying and getting disabled from covid. Oh right that is what you say. And now you are making up BS about teen suicide and masks. I mean get out of here.
And you think I care if Fauci gets a government salary (?) of 400k a year. Gah, whatever, like I said he's an insider, he will reflect what the administration wants except Trump was a bridge too far. But even insiders may think they can do more good from the inside. A lot of people might say "well I would have too much integrity (to work under Trump or whatever)" and that's fine, the world needs people like that, but most commenting have no power and little ability to influence anything from the inside or out, and it's not necessarily them who end up in such a position.
And literally yeppej you present as the most ill informed person on here.
Chicken lady
3-21-22, 9:33pm
Yppej, if you’re really worried about teen suicide, there are a couple of laws in Texas you might want to go fight against….
Chicken lady
3-21-22, 9:35pm
Oops, forgot again, yppej can’t see me…
For those who like Fauci:
https://twitter.com/masksoff247/status/1505957607860809737?s=20&t=1j3aWQQxF7EfsMUecEG-0Q
For those who like Fauci:
https://twitter.com/masksoff247/status/1505957607860809737?s=20&t=1j3aWQQxF7EfsMUecEG-0Q
It's good to know that Fauci actually utilizes the scientific method in making decisions.
It's good to know that Fauci actually utilizes the scientific method in making decisions.
Of course. He is the ScIeNcE. He never changes his mind, the ScIeNcE changes. He is a saint:
https://images.app.goo.gl/cw2A3yCsbYps8S3o7
ApatheticNoMore
3-22-22, 12:09pm
I don't care enough to like or dislike Fauci, I think he's one of the better government spokespersons on covid, but that's not necessarily a high bar, so that's not high praise. I know there is controversy on Fauci going back to AIDS but then even some of his critics on that issue have some respect for him. But I don't intensely follow Fauci and try to figure out: Fauci good or bad? In case you don't get it, I don't have to, I don't get a vote on Fauci anyway (and I doubt any replacement who says ordinary things about covid would please yeppej but that's like GOOD that they don't). I follow news on the disease, policy, more than personalities like Fauci. I don't try to parse what should I do based on waht Fauci says. BTW Fauci has been largely in the background in the Biden administration anyway (but secretly running the world bwahahaha), Zients was mostly running covid response as far as I can tell, he has been replaced.
Of course. He is the ScIeNcE. He never changes his mind, the ScIeNcE changes. He is a saint:
https://images.app.goo.gl/cw2A3yCsbYps8S3o7
Perhaps you need to go back to junior high school science class to learn how the scientific method works. Admittedly that probably isn’t as fun as cluelessly berating people who are far more intelligent than you.
Perhaps you need to go back to junior high school science class to learn how the scientific method works. Admittedly that probably isn’t as fun as cluelessly berating people who are far more intelligent than you.
I'm stupid and I suck, but Fauci is a saint:
https://images.app.goo.gl/cw2A3yCsbYps8S3o7
The difference a month makes - my dad has another surgery this week but doesn't have to get a covid test before going to the hospital. So I was able to see him this past weekend without worrying I might unawares pass something to him that would cause him to truly or falsely test positive and then he wouldn't be able to get the operation. He also was not told to isolate for five days.
rosarugosa
3-23-22, 5:21am
Our good friend was having surgery this week at Mass General and she did have to have a Covid test, so I guess policies must vary by hospital.
Our good friend was having surgery this week at Mass General and she did have to have a Covid test, so I guess policies must vary by hospital.
Either that or they figure he has immunity from his previous bogus test. He tested negative before and after and had no covid symptoms at the hospital, but they refused to retest him or give him monoclonal antibodies which given his age he should have had if he really had covid. I think they knew it was a bogus test but they get more money for covid patients.
The latest concern of covidians is that people might get covid and think it is just their normal seasonal allergies and not rush to test, quarantine, isolate, and otherwise disrupt their lives over mild illness.
As a moderate introvert I'm not usually a fan of random chit chat conversations with strangers. When I commuted by transit every day in the city I always wore noise cancelling headphones to avoid them. But today at Safeway the guy in line behind me started one. We were both masked, as were maybe 60% of the customers. He asked whether I minded the mask and I responded "not at all. I've gone 2 years without getting covid, am fully vaxxed and boosted, and would just as soon remain a roadrunner." (he didn't know what a roadrunner was so I had to explain.) He also loved the story about the video on twitter six months ago or so where the homeless guy in downtown LA, responding to an antivax protester wondering why, "if covid is so dangerous why aren't all the homeless lying dead in the streets?" said "because I"m vaxxed, you dumb ****!"
In the five minutes that we were chatting the guy just seemed like a real sweetheart. And although it wasn't a surprise that he's fully vaxxed and boosted (something like 98% of the age 5+ population of the county is at least double vaxxed) he didn't look a lot like me demographically. Yeah, he was a middle aged white guy, but the similarity ended there. Whereas I look like I work in a mid-level office job and take my HBP pills reliably every evening before flossing my teeth and get up early on the weekend to do outdoorsy things, this guy looked like he'd spent the 80's in a heavy metal band and had never really abandoned that lifestyle and probably still sees the sunrise more often at the end of the evening rather than from waking up early.
I've gone 2 years without getting covid, am fully vaxxed and boosted, and would just as soon remain a roadrunner." (he didn't know what a roadrunner was so I had to explain.) He also loved the story about the video on twitter six months ago or so where the homeless guy in downtown LA, responding to an antivax protester wondering why, "if covid is so dangerous why aren't all the homeless lying dead in the streets?" said "because I"m vaxxed, you dumb ****!"
In the five minutes that we were chatting the guy just seemed like a real sweetheart. And although it wasn't a surprise that he's fully vaxxed and boosted (something like 98% of the age 5+ population of the county is at least double vaxxed) he didn't look a lot like me demographically.
1. You've never had covid that you know of. Depending on the variant up to 40% of cases can be asymptomatic.
2. Getting vaxxed and boosted does not stop you from contracting or transmitting the virus, just ask Elizabeth Warren, Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, Jen Psaki, you name it.
3. You aren't more virtuous than other people, just more sanctimonious.
ETA I also wonder how close you were standing to him. People stand close to others thinking the masks keep them safe. They would be much better off social distancing maskless. It would be more than a little ironic if you were crowding together congratulating each other on how safe you are.
And you should move to texas. Or at least take a few weeks to go join the trucker convoy. At least I’m living the life I want to live. All you’re doing is bitching and moaning about how much your life sucks because of a little piece of cloth.
ToomuchStuff
3-24-22, 10:03am
and would just as soon remain a roadrunner." (he didn't know what a roadrunner was so I had to explain.)
So your a cartoon?
What the heck is a roadrunner?
So your a cartoon?
What the heck is a roadrunner?
That's ultralite's word for someone that has not had covid.
That's ultralite's word for someone that has not had covid.
I guess I'm a roadrunner too. Beep Beep!
Unless you regularly test for antibodies, you don't know if you have had covid.
iris lilies
3-24-22, 10:33pm
Unless you regularly test for antibodies, you don't know if you have had covid.
and then, there are the delusional who like to think they had Covid even tho anybody test performed by physician says otherwise…
that is my DH.
ApatheticNoMore
3-25-22, 4:08am
If you had covid and were entirely asymptomatic what would it change? You don't develop any long term immunity from having it (and likely even less from such a minor case). Because you were lucky with it last time doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of next time (in fact maybe you were only lucky because you were recently vaxed, but unless you are getting vaxes all the time this won't always apply). You could worry about long covid complications from a covid infection you didn't even know you had, but unless you have actual symptoms of long covid, noone's health insurance is that good.
If you had covid and were entirely asymptomatic what would it change? You don't develop any long term immunity from having it (and likely even less from such a minor case). Because you were lucky with it last time doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of next time (in fact maybe you were only lucky because you were recently vaxed, but unless you are getting vaxes all the time this won't always apply). You could worry about long covid complications from a covid infection you didn't even know you had, but unless you have actual symptoms of long covid, noone's health insurance is that good.
You develop an anamnestic response. Each exposure trains your T cells to respond more quickly the next time.
The worst case of long covid that I know of is a friend who has had it for 18 months and counting. Her case of covid wasn’t bad at all. A week with loss of taste and smell. No other symptoms.
The worst case of long covid that I know of is a friend who has had it for 18 months and counting. Her case of covid wasn’t bad at all. A week with loss of taste and smell. No other symptoms.
Everything gets blamed on long covid since Biden said if you have long covid you qualify for Social Security disability.
happystuff
3-25-22, 10:10am
Long covid conversations always make me think of Tammy. I hope she is well.
Everything gets blamed on long covid since Biden said if you have long covid you qualify for Social Security disability.
Except no you don’t. My friend has applied for it and was rejected. And yes, I’m sure you know my friend’s illness better than she does. Thanks for the insight doc.
Signs on businesses reading "everyone welcome" used to mean LGBTQ but now in my state they mean unmasked and unvaccinated, the newest minority group to be stigmatized.
Signs on businesses reading "everyone welcome" used to mean LGBTQ but now in my state they mean unmasked and unvaccinated, the newest minority group to be stigmatized.
Their conditions are mutable, so not really comparable.
gimmethesimplelife
3-26-22, 8:54pm
I guess I'm a roadrunner too. Beep Beep!WOW! We have something in common. Who woulda thunk?
I'm a roadrunner myself to date. Rob
Signs on businesses reading "everyone welcome" used to mean LGBTQ but now in my state they mean unmasked and unvaccinated, the newest minority group to be stigmatized.
How to share with everyone that you don’t understand the difference between sexual orientation and sexual preference without saying ‘I’m a stupid eff that doesn’t know the difference.’
How to share with everyone that you don’t understand the difference between sexual orientation and sexual preference without saying ‘I’m a stupid eff that doesn’t know the difference.’
Whatever Lia.
Whatever Lia.
My name isn’t Lia. And I get it. You don’t care about other people. You’ve made that ABUNDANTLY clear over the past couple years. Why would anyone expect you to care about LGBTQ people when you don’t care about old people or people with issues that make them more at risk of serious covid.
My name isn’t Lia. And I get it. You don’t care about other people. You’ve made that ABUNDANTLY clear over the past couple years. Why would anyone expect you to care about LGBTQ people when you don’t care about old people or people with issues that make them more at risk of serious covid.
Whereas you are a hero. Maybe you could be woman of the year.
Or a saint like Anthony Fauci:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1080384537/saint-anthony-fauci-prayer-candle-label?ref=share_v4_lx
Maybe you could be woman of the year.
For the record I’m cisgender and my pronouns are he/him.
For the record I’m cisgender and my pronouns are he/him.
For the record I identify as a horse and I will be running in the Kentucky Derby later this year. Wish me luck!
For the record I identify as a horse and I will be running in the Kentucky Derby later this year. Wish me luck!
Best of luck in your endeavor. Although I suspect you'll be about as successful as I will at becoming woman of the year since just as I'm not a woman and can't convincingly present as one, you're not a horse and I doubt that you'll be successful at presenting as such. If you were aiming to convince people you were a donkey I'd be more confident in the likelihood that you might achieve your goals.
boss mare
3-28-22, 10:27pm
For the record I identify as a horse and I will be running in the Kentucky Derby later this year. Wish me luck!
And you would pick Baffert as your trainer.
boss mare
3-28-22, 10:29pm
Best of luck in your endeavor. Although I suspect you'll be about as successful as I will at becoming woman of the year since just as I'm not a woman and can't convincingly present as one, you're not a horse and I doubt that you'll be successful at presenting as such. If you were aiming to convince people you were a donkey I'd be more confident in the likelihood that you might achieve your goals.
Nah... Jeppy is the south end of a north bound horse
Interesting evaluation of Sweden's "herd immunity" strategy in March 2020. Basically the government was suborned by COVID deniers, who have been covering up the disastrous impact of the policy ever since.
"Sweden was well equipped to prevent the pandemic of COVID-19 from becoming serious. Over 280 years of collaboration between political bodies, authorities, and the scientific community had yielded many successes in preventive medicine. Sweden’s population is literate and has a high level of trust in authorities and those in power. During 2020, however, Sweden had ten times higher COVID-19 death rates compared with neighbouring Norway. In this report, we try to understand why, using a narrative approach to evaluate the Swedish COVID-19 policy and the role of scientific evidence and integrity. We argue that that scientific methodology was not followed by the major figures in the acting authorities—or the responsible politicians—with alternative narratives being considered as valid, resulting in arbitrary policy decisions. "
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-022-01097-5
If you were aiming to convince people you were a donkey I'd be more confident in the likelihood that you might achieve your goals.
I was a Democrat at one point, but no more.
Pretty sure I caught headline saying Biden got his second booster today. I'm vaxxed and boosted, but have not decided yet when or if to get the second booster. It seems like closer to fall would be more appropriate, although they may offer another booster then. The local paper here says it's the first time the major hospital did not have a Covid patient in ICU.
Are these boosters just less of the original formula or are they something different? At some point, seems like more of the same wouldn't be very effective.
iris lilies
3-30-22, 7:15pm
I fit the criteria for a third Pfizer shot and so I’m going to get one soon.
iris lilies
3-30-22, 7:16pm
I was a Democrat at one point, but no more.
I’m looking toward New England for producing some sensible Republicans because I’m not sure the Midwest will do it.
Are these boosters just less of the original formula or are they something different? At some point, seems like more of the same wouldn't be very effective.
Pfizer is the same amount of the original. Moderna is half dose of the original.
I got J&J last April and then got a full dose moderna in august. I am planning to get a Pfizer booster two weeks from Friday. That will be about 8 months since my last shot and ten days before I have to go to nyc for work. Since I’ll be on planes and sitting in a crowded conference room for two days it seems logical to get shot before that.
Teacher Terry
3-31-22, 11:14am
I had my booster in October. When I do get another one it will be Moderna which is new for me. I read that getting the opposite of your other ones gives your immune system a better boost.
I had my booster in October. When I do get another one it will be Moderna which is new for me. I read that getting the opposite of your other ones gives your immune system a better boost.
I read that getting the virus plus a vaccine is the best protection of all and gives you "super immunity" because having had the disease primes you against the entire virus, not just the spike protein.
Party hardy in close quarters!
iris lilies
3-31-22, 12:25pm
I had my booster in October. When I do get another one it will be Moderna which is new for me. I read that getting the opposite of your other ones gives your immune system a better boost.”booster” term seems to be used for 2nd and 3rd doseage.
Teacher Terry
4-2-22, 5:04pm
I only use the term for 3rd or more doses.
iris lilies
4-2-22, 7:21pm
I only use the term for 3rd or more doses.
wait…you had your 3rd shot way back in October?
Teacher Terry
4-2-22, 9:31pm
Yes I received my initial Covid vaccine March 3, 2021. Then my second one 3 weeks later.
iris lilies
4-2-22, 11:16pm
Yes I received my initial Covid vaccine March 3, 2021. Then my second one 3 weeks later.
Doh! I am an idiot! Terry I’m really glad I had this casual conversation with you because I was thinking I had an October shot and that was my number two. It was in fact my number three shot which was of course my “booster. “
I spent time today with Walgreens online to get on their Covid Pdizer shot schedule to have what I thought was Number three but it’s Number four.. According to CDC it is ok to get this shot:
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0328-covid-19-boosters.html
I meet the criteria list in paragraph #2 of CDC March 29 news release which are
1) over 50 years of age
2) 4 months have elapsed since my last Pfizer Covid shot
Teacher Terry
4-3-22, 12:03pm
That’s funny! My doctor told me to wait until late summer to get mine.
iris lilies
4-3-22, 3:28pm
That’s funny! My doctor told me to wait until late summer to get mine.
well, I am a little worried because I will be on planes and buses with humans in the next 4 weeks. My exposure goes up in the next four weeks and after that goes back down to normal life except in late September.
ToomuchStuff
4-3-22, 8:43pm
I had the third shot back in January.
Thankfully, I am not like the man in Germany, who has had 90 shots:
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/man-germany-90-covid-19-shots-sell-forged-83843922
Teacher Terry
4-3-22, 11:29pm
My doctor said to wait until I get back from Europe.
happystuff
4-7-22, 10:16am
Property next door to us is rental and was sold about a year ago. Just found out that the previous landlord died from covid. He was in his early to mid 50's and left behind three kids.
Big covid outbreaks in places where people wear masks - Hong Kong, Shanghai. Hmmm.
flowerseverywhere
4-7-22, 11:43am
That’s funny! My doctor told me to wait until late summer to get mine.
Each person needs to consult their own MD. As people age many medical conditions put them at high risk, regardless of how well they try to exercise, eat well and take their vitamins. I got mine to protect an immune compromised person in my household.
Teacher Terry
4-7-22, 1:10pm
From what I have been reading the immunity decreases quickly within a month of the 4th shot. They are working on a new one that targets some of the new strains. I never blindly follow what any doctor said. I am the one that will face the consequences so always take everything into consideration and decide myself. Too much is still unknown about the vaccine and virus.
I read recently that if we keep getting the same vaccine our bodies might not be able to fight off the infection as well if we get Covid. I have been reading the studies coming out of Israel because they are ahead of us. If I did what doctors said I wouldn’t have went 14 years between colonoscopies:)). Also with seeing the generations ahead of me age there’s definitely worse things than dying. My doctor agreed when I mentioned that.
Masking the toddlers in NYC did not stop covid. Eric Adams got it. Schadenfreude!!!
Masking the toddlers in NYC did not stop covid. Eric Adams got it. Schadenfreude!!!
You are *happy* that someone got covid?
How precious....
You are *happy* that someone got covid?
How precious....
Yep. Now that the inevitable has happened to him (we will all get covid), maybe he will let the innocent toddlers unmask. They have suffered while he has run around maskless at sports stadiums and other mass events.
ApatheticNoMore
4-11-22, 1:48am
He is supposedly taking antivirals, the availability of which seems hit or miss, they are first reserved for high risk or unvaxxed.
He is supposedly taking antivirals, the availability of which seems hit or miss, they are first reserved for high risk or unvaxxed.
When my dad, 83, was in the hospital and told he had covid he was denied monoclonal antibodies. In his case I think it was a false positive test. They refused to retest because a covid dx = more money for them. But suppose it were real. He is denied but younger party animal Adams can get whatever he wants.
The entire way this pandemic has been handled is disgusting. And the child depression and suicide rates soar and their learning rates crash as they bear the highest burden though they are least at risk. But hey, we already trashed the planet for them, why stop there?
A book I read recently that has some application:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41KicPGXvOL._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
gimmethesimplelife
4-13-22, 12:24pm
A book I read recently that has some application:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41KicPGXvOL._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpgThis sounds like an interesting book. I might see if I can order it secondhand. Rob
DH and I have appointments at Walgreens tomorrow evening for our second COVID booster.
iris lilies
4-13-22, 4:54pm
DH and I have appointments at Walgreens tomorrow evening for our second COVID booster.
I made appt at .Walgreens, but they then ran out of
Pfizer.
then TeacherTerry’s dr. Told me to wait until summer.so I will.
I just read about this yesterday in AARP newsletter, and it seemed like the CDC was telling people to wait, too.
We are not getting second boosters. We got the first booster, of a different shot--we mixed shots. We are done.
I think we will wait until fall for the second booster.
I made appt at .Walgreens, but they then ran out of
Pfizer.
then TeacherTerry’s dr. Told me to wait until summer.so I will.
Looks like we're in the same boat. Got a call from Walgreens yesterday saying their shipment didn't arrive and they don't know for sure when the next one is supposed to show up.
For all you who keep getting boosted multiple times per year, do you plan to do this forever, or are you at all concerned about T cell exhaustion?
For all you who keep getting boosted multiple times per year, do you plan to do this forever, or are you at all concerned about T cell exhaustion?
How do you know that T cell exhaustion is a real thing?
How do you know that T cell exhaustion is a real thing?
Because many scientists have investigated the phenomenon including immunologists and coined the term.
https://fortune.com/2022/01/12/ema-who-covid-fourth-boosters-pfizer-flu-endemic/
ApatheticNoMore
4-14-22, 7:57pm
If it was a thing how do you know your not more likely to get it from getting the virus repeatedly. I'll wait ...
If it was a thing how do you know your not more likely to get it from getting the virus repeatedly. I'll wait ...
Either or.
But natural immunity is broader based, it's not just based on one spike protein. So you're less likely to get it again.
All the high profile people getting covid now, like Nancy Pelosi, are vaxxed and boosted.
I thought the whole point of having a healthy immune system was to meet repeated bacterial and viral challenges. Mine has probably checked out due to lack of use.
ApatheticNoMore
4-14-22, 8:06pm
Some of the high profile people are on their SECOND ROUND of the virus in addition to being vaxed and boosted. Biden's press secretary. But it may have been a different variant? Well yes probably was in that case. But she has had covid twice already.
From the article: "While use of additional boosters can be part of contingency plans, repeated vaccinations within short intervals would not represent a sustainable long-term strategy," Cavaleri said at a media briefing. He also said boosters "can be done once, or maybe twice, but it’s not something that we can think should be repeated constantly."
I plan to get a second J&J, but after that, I don't know. I'm more likely to avoid crowds, wear my mask, wash my hands frequently, that kind of thing.
I'm thinking to wait until the fall unless situations change. Being in a higher risk age group I'd like to weigh what our government's scientists are saying, but just haven't heard. I don't know why any booster time interval should be magic, whether it's 6 months, a year, or longer I assume the immune system follows the same rules for any potential over exposure to a vaccine and it's something they may not know until field trials are done. I guess I just need more information. I've depended on This Week in Virology podcast for some good information, but haven't checked in lately.
I suspect by fall it could include some sort of latest variant protection or be in combo with the flu shot.
How do you know that T cell exhaustion is a real thing?
Well, you could look at Twitter for breathless out-of-context hand-wringing, or...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-022-01184-4
iris lilies
4-15-22, 12:05am
I thought the CDC said oldsters like me may get 4th shot i.e. 2nd booster 4 or 5 months after last booster. That is “may” but I doni’t consider that a “should” yet.
We can keep boosting our way to T cell exhaustion, and covid will keep mutating in the parts of the world where people can't get vaccines thanks to Bill Gates:
https://newrepublic.com/article/162000/bill-gates-impeded-global-access-covid-vaccines
Where are all the dead people?
The Chair of my Board of Health said despite vaccine hesitancy we would get to an 80% vax rate because all the unvaxxed people would eventually die of covid.
Where are all the bodies? Is there a big cover up?
Russell Brand just put out a fabulous video on some of the questions that are being asked here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXgf7xwu8ws
iris lilies
4-15-22, 8:52am
Russell Brand just put out a fabulous video on some of the questions that are being asked here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXgf7xwu8ws
He’s such a maniac! I mean that in a positive way.
He says that the campaign against disinformation is being used as a tool for censorship and he’s exactly right.
He’s such a maniac! I mean that in a positive way.
He says that the campaign against disinformation is being used as a tool for censorship and he’s exactly right.
Yes, I agree with you completely.
Well, you could look at Twitter for breathless out-of-context hand-wringing, or...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-022-01184-4
I understood enough of that to be helpful. Thanks.
Where are all the dead people?
The Chair of my Board of Health said despite vaccine hesitancy we would get to an 80% vax rate because all the unvaxxed people would eventually die of covid.
Where are all the bodies? Is there a big cover up?
You didn't tell us that you went to LA to stage a protest a few months ago!
https://www.newsweek.com/homeless-vaccine-protest-video-los-angeles-1636119
iris lilies
4-17-22, 3:55pm
You didn't tell us that you went to LA to stage a protest a few months ago!
https://www.newsweek.com/homeless-vaccine-protest-video-los-angeles-1636119
so Joe Rogan is right. “Anti-Vaxers” is now applied to people who are not in favor of government mandates for COVID vaccines even though they are perfectly ok with getting a Covid vaccine for themselves.
i thought Rogan was over stating this.
I didn’t think I knew anyone who was twisting the original pop culture meaning and assigning that false meaning to it. Guess I do, and it is jp.
I think you may be over analyzing here. I just thought it amusing that yppej was using the same absurd ‘where are the dead bodies?????’ Question as the idiot in the video. I try to encourage her when she makes the effort to be more creative than her boring ‘fauci is evil incarnate’ posts.
I think you may be over analyzing here. I just thought it amusing that yppej was using the same absurd ‘where are the dead bodies?????’ Question as the idiot in the video. I try to encourage her when she makes the effort to be more creative than her boring ‘fauci is evil incarnate’ posts.
How much of a saint is Fauci? A Catholic college (Holy Cross) is now naming a science building after him.
I try to encourage her when she makes the effort to be more creative than her boring ‘fauci is evil incarnate’ posts.
I can understand that, I try to do the same with you when you go off on one of your 'Republicans suck' tangents.;)
I can understand that, I try to do the same with you when you go off on one of your 'Republicans suck' tangents.;)
Well, since the Republican Party has turned to baselessly smearing all democrats as pedophiles and groomers as their main election strategy it’s hard for a rational person not to conclude that they are just a bunch of really shitty assholes.
Well, since the Republican Party has turned to baselessly smearing all democrats as pedophiles and groomers as their main election strategy it’s hard for a rational person not to conclude that they are just a bunch of really shitty assholes.
Ha, you never disappoint JP, never.
Well, since the Republican Party has turned to baselessly smearing all democrats as pedophiles and groomers as their main election strategy it’s hard for a rational person not to conclude that they are just a bunch of really shitty assholes.
Not even close to the main election strategy. To quote a Democrat, "It's the economy stupid".
Not even close to the main election strategy. To quote a Democrat, "It's the economy stupid".
That’s the secondary strategy. One strategy for the 40% of republicans who are stupid enough to believe Qanon. Another for reasonably intelligent but not particularly alert folks who are pissed off about gas prices. To paraphrase trump ‘republicans love the stupid ****s’.
Ha, you never disappoint JP, never.
So you don’t there’s a ‘there’ there when the Republican senators made 165 references to pedophilia and child porn during the recent Supreme Court nominee’s hearing?
You also never cease to disappoint me with your obtusity to all things that republicans do. The day you admit that a straight white Republican male has done something wrong will be the day I drop dead from shock.
flowerseverywhere
4-20-22, 5:10am
I have covid. I'm double vaccinated and had gotten my second booster two weeks ago. I knew right away for some reason. It felt different than a normal cold. Home test kit was positive so I went to the pharmacy and verified it with a PCR.
I was well enough every day to shower and dress and be up and about my Isolation area of the house. More tired and cold and cough and surprisingly very delicate stomach. I started walking outside yesterday through my development but stay far away from people if I see anyone. I did not see one person walking last evening and I'm headed out as soon as the sun rises I'll test in a few days as I'm probably negative now. but to be ultra cautious I will continue to avoid human contact for a while.
My vaccinated grandkids had visited which is the most like!y place I got it and my DIL felt awful but I told her I refuse to spend the rest of my life locked in a closet. Every second with my grandkids was worth it to me.
rosarugosa
4-20-22, 5:32am
I'm sorry to hear that Flowers and hope you are better soon.
Teacher Terry
4-20-22, 12:41pm
Glad it didn’t make you really sick flowers.
flowerseverywhere
4-20-22, 1:03pm
Thank you Rosa and Terry. I’m very thankful DH didn’t get it as he is immunosuppressed. I was hesitant to post here as politics and nasty comments seem to be ruling the day in the health forum, but it is important for people to know it can still infect you and make you sick.
Take care of yourself, and give yourself time to recover!
Flowers, so sorry to hear you got the plague. Get well soon!
Flowers, I am so sorry you were sick, and hoping you feel better and better as spring arrives.
frugal-one
4-20-22, 2:39pm
So sorry to hear Flowers! Recover quickly!
I have covid. I'm double vaccinated and had gotten my second booster two weeks ago. I knew right away for some reason. It felt different than a normal cold. Home test kit was positive so I went to the pharmacy and verified it with a PCR.
I was well enough every day to shower and dress and be up and about my Isolation area of the house. More tired and cold and cough and surprisingly very delicate stomach. I started walking outside yesterday through my development but stay far away from people if I see anyone. I did not see one person walking last evening and I'm headed out as soon as the sun rises I'll test in a few days as I'm probably negative now. but to be ultra cautious I will continue to avoid human contact for a while.
My vaccinated grandkids had visited which is the most like!y place I got it and my DIL felt awful but I told her I refuse to spend the rest of my life locked in a closet. Every second with my grandkids was worth it to me.
This is a good example of why restrictions based on case counts are completely irrelevant now and we should be looking at hospitalizations.
It doesn't sound like you reported your case to any health authority, or received any quarantine guidance. You're handling it on your own. That's not a criticism by the way - that's how I think it should be.
Feel better soon.
I'm glad you're feeling better.
I have (vaccinated, boosted) friends who may have had it some weeks ago with digestive issues.
happystuff
4-20-22, 4:02pm
So sorry, flowers. Hope your recover continues without incident!
flowerseverywhere
4-20-22, 10:18pm
The health department called today. All pharmacies, doctors, urgent cares, hospitals are required to report positives to them. They were very nice and asked about symptoms and told me to go straight to an ER with breathing problems, very high fever etc.
I'm getting lots of sleep and fluids. I also remembered why I don't watch TV. Also, ebooks are easy to get at my library so I'm getting quality reading time in.
Thanks for the good wishes.
iris lilies
4-20-22, 10:31pm
I have covid. I'm double vaccinated and had gotten my second booster two weeks ago. I knew right away for some reason. It felt different than a normal cold. Home test kit was positive so I went to the pharmacy and verified it with a PCR.
I was well enough every day to shower and dress and be up and about my Isolation area of the house. More tired and cold and cough and surprisingly very delicate stomach. I started walking outside yesterday through my development but stay far away from people if I see anyone. I did not see one person walking last evening and I'm headed out as soon as the sun rises I'll test in a few days as I'm probably negative now. but to be ultra cautious I will continue to avoid human contact for a while.
My vaccinated grandkids had visited which is the most like!y place I got it and my DIL felt awful but I told her I refuse to spend the rest of my life locked in a closet. Every second with my grandkids was worth it to me.
oh my! Sounds like you are on the mend tho.
happystuff
4-21-22, 9:22am
The health department called today. All pharmacies, doctors, urgent cares, hospitals are required to report positives to them. They were very nice and asked about symptoms and told me to go straight to an ER with breathing problems, very high fever etc.
I'm getting lots of sleep and fluids. I also remembered why I don't watch TV. Also, ebooks are easy to get at my library so I'm getting quality reading time in.
Thanks for the good wishes.
Glad to hear your recovery is going well. Continued healing energies to you!
catherine
4-21-22, 10:22am
So sorry to hear--I hope your journey back to health continues!
A lawsuit in my county against mask mandates has made it to the courts. Fierce women are driving this, mainly mothers advocating for their children, and fighting to be allowed to speak in municipal meetings.
https://www.millburysutton.com/story/news/2022/04/21/local-parents-sue-schools-over-alleged-harm-kids-mask-mandates/7333086001/
While I am not part of this suit, I am happy. We will not give up. We will not go away.
And as with me in my various complaints filed, we are seeking not money but injunctive relief so that we never have to go through this again, and so that we be allowed to participate fully in our government which should be of the people, by the people and for the people.
I got my second booster last saturday. I've now had all three flavors of shot. J&J last April, Moderna in August, and now Pfizer. Given the nonsensical ruling by the unqualified judge in Florida the other day (scalia must be smiling in his grave at her level of jiggery pokery) I'm glad I got it since I have to go to NYC for work next week and undoubtedly half the people on the plane will be making it clear that they don't give a crap about other people's safety and health.
Given the nonsensical ruling by the unqualified judge in Florida the other day ......Have you found a legal or procedural flaw in the ruling?
iris lilies
4-21-22, 9:51pm
I got my second booster last saturday. I've now had all three flavors of shot. J&J last April, Moderna in August, and now Pfizer. Given the nonsensical ruling by the unqualified judge in Florida the other day (scalia must be smiling in his grave at her level of jiggery pokery) I'm glad I got it since I have to go to NYC for work next week and undoubtedly half the people on the plane will be making it clear that they don't give a crap about other people's safety and health.
I just flew from one Texas airport to the other after the recent ruling and 90% of people on the plane and in the airport we’re not wearing mask. No Southwest airlines employees were wearing masks.
I just flew from one Texas airport to the other after the recent ruling and 90% of people on the plane and in the airport we’re not wearing mask. No Southwest airlines employees were wearing masks.
So it’s going to be worse than I expected. Yay!
Have you found a legal or procedural flaw in the ruling?
Other than her stupid **** definition of quarantine?
Already people took their masks off to eat or drink, and in typical covid privilege the mask mandate was not enforced in first class. But quake in your boots if you think random pieces of cloth or surgical masks with big gaps on the sides do anything. Be afraid, be very afraid - then the government can control you.
and in typical covid privilege the mask mandate was not enforced in first class.
Source?
Other than her stupid **** definition of quarantine?
In my scanning of the 59 page decision I didn't notice the judge's definition of quarantine, although she did reference the term as it has previously been applied in other court and legislative renderings. As an example, several courts last year ruled that the mandatory wearing of a mask was a form of personal quarantine and without a lawful quarantine order, forcing people to wear masks exceeded government authority.
Is the use of that standing legal principle the one you find stupid?
Edited to add: The ruling can be found here (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21636220-047124235804)for anyone interested.
As an example, several courts last year ruled that the mandatory wearing of a mask was a form of personal quarantine and without a lawful quarantine order, forcing people to wear masks exceeded government authority.
That seems very reasonable to me. Frankly, I feel that government exceeded its authority extensively over the past two years.
In my scanning of the 59 page decision I didn't notice the judge's definition of quarantine, although she did reference the term as it has previously been applied in other court and legislative renderings. As an example, several courts last year ruled that the mandatory wearing of a mask was a form of personal quarantine and without a lawful quarantine order, forcing people to wear masks exceeded government authority.
Is the use of that standing legal principle the one you find stupid?
Edited to add: The ruling can be found here (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21636220-047124235804)for anyone interested.
I wish I had a republican dictionary so I could better keep up with all the changes to our language. Like how groomer now means any LGBT person who is out as an LGBT person. And how, apparently since the pandemic began, wearing a mask is a form of isolation.
Are burkhas isolating?
https://doglab.com/wp-content/uploads/Woman-blowing-into-dog-whistle-near-white-poodle.jpg
I wish I had a republican dictionary so I could better keep up with all the changes to our language. Like how groomer now means any LGBT person who is out as an LGBT person. And how, apparently since the pandemic began, wearing a mask is a form of isolation.
Oh, I thought you had a definable problem with the content of the ruling you mentioned earlier rather than just a rant about all things Republican. Sorry about that!
As an aside, and not to further hijack an already rambling thread, do you think your generalized rants are examples of the disinformation on social media that several prominent Democrats such as Obama and Clinton have recently called 'a threat to Democracy'?
What the h*ll has happened to this thread?
What the h*ll has happened to this thread?
I set up a whiney whine thread for JP and myself but we have not been confining our comments to it.
I set up a whiney whine thread for JP and myself but we have not been confining our comments to it.
Actually, I'm not calling anyone out - I guess I'm surprised by how it goes on topic, off topic, and back on...in so many strange ways! Nothing personal to any posters!
I do have a definable problem. Republicans are making up new definitions for words. Apparently it would now be appropriate for me to say "I went to the store yesterday. Because case counts are climbing in my area I decided to quarantine while in the store. About 50% of the other patrons were also quarantining."
I do have a definable problem. Republicans are making up new definitions for words.
Can you back that accusation up with anything other than hyperbole?
As I understand it various courts, including ones in Illinois and California, have ruled that based upon various states as well as federal legal definitions of quarantine, they have been forced to declare that masks are a form of quarantine. I believe it's due to various legal definitions which refer to any device that's intended to limit the spread of a disease.
It seems to me that any claim of "Republicans making up new definitions for words" is rather specious. I think that if we don't want our courts to adhere to the letter of the law we should petition our legislatures (state & federal) to actually create a law dealing with quarantine enforcement that would then give teeth to governmental agencies pronouncements.
Can you back that accusation up with anything other than hyperbole?
I was thinking things like people who rioted on January 6 calling themselves "patriots" as they attempted to undo democracy. How lies are "alternative facts" per Kellyann Conway. How "stop the steal" was an effort to indeed steal a fair election. How "fake news" means something unflattering to the person calling it fake news.
I was thinking things like people who rioted on January 6 calling themselves "patriots" as they attempted to undo democracy. How lies are "alternative facts" per Kellyann Conway. How "stop the steal" was an effort to indeed steal a fair election. How "fake news" means something unflattering to the person calling it fake news.
LOL, I was speaking of a specific word, but yeah, all Republicans suck. Damn Republicans!!
I didn't say that. I was specifically talking about words that have been redefined by certain Republicans. Like Mark Meadows working for an institute that focuses on election integrity, and talking about how important election integrity is, while at the same time being registereed to vote in 3 different states. I think examples like this are what JP might be referring to.
I used to be a registered Republican. I used to consider myself slightly right of center. But now wanting things like treating people with equal respect now marks me as a liberal. Another redefinition.
But now wanting things like treating people with equal respect now marks me as a liberal.
Unless they don't want to follow your covid restrictions. Then they are subhuman disease vectors and they don't deserve equal respect.
LOL, I was speaking of a specific word, but yeah, all Republicans suck. Damn Republicans!!
Finally you admit what has been obvious to those of us in the reality based world for some time now!
But seriously, I will never expect you to ever once admit that a republican ever did anything wrong or even suboptimal. You're simply not capable of that.
Finally you admit what has been obvious to those of us in the reality based world for some time now!
But seriously, I will never expect you to ever once admit that a republican ever did anything wrong or even suboptimal. You're simply not capable of that.
Give me a specific and I'll probably surprise you, well if it's not a figment of your imagination. You usually just complain about Republicans, as if whatever word, deed or action has gotten your goat is part of a group action supported by all Republicans. You also misrepresent many of your complaints, I'm guessing as a result of a headline you're read somewhere designed to do just that, get your goat. I'll always point out that error, mainly as a public service, and you can continue to blame me for not going along with your misrepresentation or your grouping of myself and all the other fine Republicans I know as people who want others to die, as racists and homophobes or whatever other baseless accusation you love to make. If you don't do those things, I won't challenge you. It's simple as that.
But back to the topic at hand, SO has tested positive for the covids this afternoon after waking up with a sore throat this morning. Two self tests and one state testing site test, all positive. Given his multiple underlying conditions I'm concerned, but not panicked since he's vaxxed with three rounds of Pfizer. (He had an appointment to get the second booster next week, but I guess he won't be doing that now...)
Since I got my second booster last saturday, and have no other comorbidities other than being over 50, I am about as well protected as can be.
I was supposed to go to NYC next week for my work team's Away Day. Boss has left it to me to decide what to do. Since I can't effectively mask and still participate (there's a whole office happy hour and a team dinner at a fancy restaurant) I don't think I can go in good conscience, even if I were to test negative Tuesday morning before I head to the airport. I will have been spending the whole weekend at home with an infected person so a positive test might not happen until after I get there. And one of our team members is 8 months pregnant. I wouldn't be able to live with the result if she went home from the week's events with covid and then had an adverse situation involving her first child.
frugal-one
4-22-22, 9:20pm
Hard to deny... today with the lying republicans all in the news... McCarthy and Taylor Green. There are only a few good actual republicans left. The others are sheep. Sickening to say the least. Patriots, my a$$. Herbgeek was spot on.
Give me a specific and I'll probably surprise you, well if it's not a figment of your imagination. You usually just complain about Republicans, as if whatever word, deed or action has gotten your goat is part of a group action supported by all Republicans. You also misrepresent many of your complaints, I'm guessing as a result of a headline you're read somewhere designed to do just that, get your goat. I'll always point out that error, mainly as a public service, and you can continue to blame me for not going along with your misrepresentation or your grouping of myself and all the other fine Republicans I know as people who want others to die, as racists and homophobes or whatever other baseless accusation you love to make. If you don't do those things, I won't challenge you. It's simple as that.
Actually you ignore ever serious point anyone makes about a republican and then poo poo the ones that have at least vaguely plausible deniability. And anyone that honestly thinks that the republicans aren't engaged in pretty significant homophobia currently is laughable. Sad, but laughable.
But back to the topic at hand, SO has tested positive for the covids this afternoon after waking up with a sore throat this morning. Two self tests and one state testing site test, all positive. Given his multiple underlying conditions I'm concerned, but not panicked since he's vaxxed with three rounds of Pfizer. (He had an appointment to get the second booster next week, but I guess he won't be doing that now...)
Since I got my second booster last saturday, and have no other comorbidities other than being over 50, I am about as well protected as can be.
I was supposed to go to NYC next week for my work team's Away Day. Boss has left it to me to decide what to do. Since I can't effectively mask and still participate (there's a whole office happy hour and a team dinner at a fancy restaurant) I don't think I can go in good conscience, even if I were to test negative Tuesday morning before I head to the airport. I will have been spending the whole weekend at home with an infected person so a positive test might not happen until after I get there. And one of our team members is 8 months pregnant. I wouldn't be able to live with the result if she went home from the week's events with covid and then had an adverse situation involving her first child.
Maybe you picked up covid when you got your latest booster and gave it to him. You should have stayed home under the covers until, you know, the sCiEnCe says it's safe to live life.
My recently second-boosted brother and his wife (both in their 70s) got on a plane for a weekend trip last week and came home with Covid. Both started with sore throats. They were able to get the anti-viral pills but said the side effects of those (six pills a day) were worse than the Covid symptoms. Ugh!
Maybe you picked up covid when you got your latest booster and gave it to him. You should have stayed home under the covers until, you know, the sCiEnCe says it's safe to live life.
There you go again with your typically flawed Republican logic. I haven’t been out in public since Saturday. SO has been going to his office in a busy hotel every day this week. I’m negative for covid. Smart people would not come to the conclusion that I gave it to him. But I get it. With stupid ****ing Republican logic what you suggested might make sense.
Seriously you aren’t this stupid are you?
Edited to add. Sorry. I thought it was Alan making this absurd post. You need to up your troll game. I’m well aware that you really are this stupid.
And thank you for your concern about SO. Even though I’m sure you think his potential death would be deserved since he has comorbidities like diabetes and being a cancer survivor I imagine you will deem his hopefully likely survival as somehow justified. Your concern is touching. So has your son started talking to you again or does he still realize that you’re a bitch and he’s better off avoiding you at all costs?
Good grief, JP1--I don't blame you for choosing to stay home under the circumstances. From what I've seen, anyone who dares stick their noses out of the bunker is bound to get infected. Best wishes to your SO for a smooth recovery!
Good grief, JP1--I don't blame you for choosing to stay home under the circumstances. From what I've seen, anyone who dares stick their noses out of the bunker is bound to get infected. Best wishes to your SO for a smooth recovery!
Thank you. From the time that vaccines became available I’ve not been worried about myself. I’m healthy and should be fine if I get infected. SO is a different story. Yes, he’s fully vaxxed and boosted. But given his issues I’m still worried. His test results today have not been a happy circumstance. Hopefully this will all turn out well. He’s been working with his doc and will hopefully be getting a prescription for paxlovid tomorrow.
iris lilies
4-22-22, 11:04pm
Good grief, JP1--I don't blame you for choosing to stay home under the circumstances. From what I've seen, anyone who dares stick their noses out of the bunker is bound to get infected. Best wishes to your SO for a smooth recovery!
I dunno, I have been home for 3 days from the Iris extravaganza of riding around in busses, having meetings, and dining with 250 people. Didnt come down with the Covid. 3 plane rides as well.
but i got lucky, no doubt.
iris lilies
4-22-22, 11:07pm
Thank you. From the time that vaccines became available I’ve not been worried about myself. I’m healthy and should be fine if I get infected. SO is a different story. Yes, he’s fully vaxxed and boosted. But given his issues I’m still worried. His test results today have not been a happy circumstance. Hopefully this will all turn out well. He’s been working with his doc and will hopefully be getting a prescription for paxlovid tomorrow.Is paxlovid one of the mono…whatevers?
Is paxlovid one of the mono…whatevers?
No. It’s the antiviral that supposedly cuts hospitalization by 85%.
Teacher Terry
4-22-22, 11:15pm
JP, hoping your partner is fine.
JP, hoping your partner is fine.
Thank you. So far he's only got a sore throat. Keeping my fingers crossed that that remains the case.
boss mare
4-23-22, 12:48am
Thank you. So far he's only got a sore throat. Keeping my fingers crossed that that remains the case.
I hope it's just a sore throat. We had the same thing in our household over Christmas. To our dismay, my DH brought home Omicron ( He is a firefighter/paramedic) It started out with him having a sore throat ... And it went down hill from there..
There you go again with your typically flawed Republican logic. I haven’t been out in public since Saturday. SO has been going to his office in a busy hotel every day this week. I’m negative for covid. Smart people would not come to the conclusion that I gave it to him. But I get it. With stupid ****ing Republican logic what you suggested might make sense.
Seriously you aren’t this stupid are you?
Edited to add. Sorry. I thought it was Alan making this absurd post. You need to up your troll game. I’m well aware that you really are this stupid.
It's called - latency period and silent carrier - terms from the real science.
And thank you for your concern about SO. Even though I’m sure you think his potential death would be deserved since he has comorbidities like diabetes and being a cancer survivor I imagine you will deem his hopefully likely survival as somehow justified. Your concern is touching. So has your son started talking to you again or does he still realize that you’re a bitch and he’s better off avoiding you at all costs?
He's talking to his grandmother again. Did she all of a sudden stop being a bitch after a year? Or was she never one to begin with?
I hope it's just a sore throat. We had the same thing in our household over Christmas. To our dismay, my DH brought home Omicron ( He is a firefighter/paramedic) It started out with him having a sore throat ... And it went down hill from there..
Now I would imagine in his line of work he wears one of those ineffective talismans over his face. Damn! It's so annoying when magic doesn't work.
flowerseverywhere
4-23-22, 9:45am
So sorry JP1. I sincerely hope he continues to improve.
I think you did the right thing to stay home if you had the option. Besides, what if SO needs help? You would be worried sick about him as well as the possible danger to the eight month pregnant woman. It seems odd to me someone that far along would fly and spend a week at a conference. But maybe my kids are right and I'm just old fashioned as they roll their eyes.
You could ask SO 's MD if the following could help. My MD recommended I do a twice daily sinus wash. Also, no cough Medicine. Lots of hot steamy liquids like tea or broth soups. Tylenol for a fever. I also have a pulse oximeter and took my O2 level and temp every four hours when I was awake the first few days when I had symptoms. But don't take medical advice from an unknown person on the Internet. Always check with your healthcare providers.
It is heartbreaking to see all the unkindness I have seen In the world and on this forum. Last year I almost died and I had time to think as I was fading in and out in the ER before they stabilized me and during my hospital stay. Is it really worth it to argue about the same stuff for over two years? If all the anger and rage people have could be channeled Into kindness and compassion it would be healthier for everyone.
happystuff
4-23-22, 10:39am
jp, hope your SO heals quickly!
happystuff
4-23-22, 10:44am
It is heartbreaking to see all the unkindness I have seen In the world and on this forum. Last year I almost died and I had time to think as I was fading in and out in the ER before they stabilized me and during my hospital stay. Is it really worth it to argue about the same stuff for over two years? If all the anger and rage people have could be channeled Into kindness and compassion it would be healthier for everyone.
You are so right. I, fortunately, have been able to see a lot of goodness, kindness, compassion, etc. so consider myself very lucky. Sadly, I think some people cling to the anger and rage because they have nothing else, and refuse, simply don't know how, or just don't want to change.
Just saw your post about your SO, JP, and hope that he gets better soon, and you stay well!
So far SO still just has a sore throat and I’m negative. And he has the paxlovid pills and started them this afternoon. Thank you all for your kind words. This is the one thing I have been most afraid of for two years now and thankfully it seems to be turning out ok. Time will tell if that continues to be the case.
This is certainly a grim statistic. According to UK researchers, among people who have to be hospitalized for covid only 29% are fully recovered a year after being released from the hospital.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/24/only-29-of-uk-covid-hospital-patients-recover-within-a-year
JP - I know you'll ask for the link, so ill see if I can find it - but I've heard that the paxlovid pill "could" have a rebound positive ten days after stopping for some users. But those who've taken it report immediate and measurable improvement of symptoms. Happy to hear of your and SO's (relatively) good report.
early morning
4-25-22, 7:48pm
Hope all continues to go well for you and your SO, jp1. Just saw your post. Thinking positive thoughts for you both.
I've read that too about the rebound positive. Similar, I guess, to how I've read that people who got the monoclonial antibodies in the pre-vaccine days would get better quickly but their bodies didn't develop any immunity from the infection so some of them ended up getting infected again in a really short time period.
So far the paxlovid is working great. He took the first dose Saturday and when he woke up sunday SO's sore throat was gone (the only symptom he had) and he feels totally fine. He's struggling with the "just stay home and don't exert yourself" part of this as much as anything. He's never been a 'just chill out at home' kind of guy. He tested this afternoon and is still positive but that's not a surprise. I tested this afternoon and am still negative. Hopefully that will continue and by the end of the week this will all be a moderately unpleasant memory. I'm incredibly grateful that modern science was able to create vaccines and treatments in record time that are capable of turning what had been a truly terrifying virus into a mostly manageable virus for people that choose to trust that most scientists really do have humanity's best interests as their primary motivation.
rosarugosa
4-26-22, 5:51am
I'm glad to hear he is doing so well. You must be so relieved!
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