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flowerseverywhere
8-28-21, 7:07pm
Hey, here is a great idea. Daytona nascar weekend is here. The stadium holds 110,000, people, plus food and merchandise vendors, safety security and stadium officials, crews and mechanics for the cars. Of course, many people come from out of state, and the nearby states are almost as virus filled as we are. The infield is packed with RV’s and people are partying like it is 1999. Restaurants and beach areas packed.
I cannot imagine what could go wrong with full hospitals and the consequences of drinking screaming hoards of people having a blast.
I cannot imagine what could go wrong with full hospitals and the consequences of drinking screaming hoards of people having a blast.
Well if the hoard is of toilet paper the rest of us could run out.
rosarugosa
8-28-21, 7:27pm
Hey, here is a great idea. Daytona nascar weekend is here. The stadium holds 110,000, people, plus food and merchandise vendors, safety security and stadium officials, crews and mechanics for the cars. Of course, many people come from out of state, and the nearby states are almost as virus filled as we are. The infield is packed with RV’s and people are partying like it is 1999. Restaurants and beach areas packed.
I cannot imagine what could go wrong with full hospitals and the consequences of drinking screaming hoards of people having a blast.
Stephen King couldn't top this stuff.
Stephen King couldn't top this stuff.
Azure he could. He would simultaneously have a hurricane hitting Louisiana which also already has full hospitals. Oh wait…
Azure he could. He would simultaneously have a hurricane hitting Louisiana which also already has full hospitals. Oh wait…
Which....is all an elaborate coverup of the heroic ballot-counting commandos.
Azure he could. He would simultaneously have a hurricane hitting Louisiana which also already has full hospitals. Oh wait…
And a governor in Louisiana who begs people to get vaccinated a couple days before the storm hits, talking about crowded shelters, never mind that it takes two weeks after the final dose for the effectiveness to kick in. It is too late! They are doomed!
But wait! They will wear masks in the shelters. That will save them all, right? All is not lost. No new cases will arise. Any cloth face covering will save them - maybe even lace? No N95 is needed.
Or they could throw up their hands and say ‘masks help but dont offer 100% protection. And since they are brutally uncomfortable and imperfect I’ll just risk death.
And in the meantime those that don’t get to shelters, both vaxxed and unvaxxed, better hope they don’t need a hospital because of all the people who didn’t get vaxxed and have selfishly hogged all the beds.
Or they could throw up their hands and say ‘masks help but dont offer 100% protection. And since they are brutally uncomfortable and imperfect I’ll just risk death.
No masks = risking death. Let's think of some risky situations then.
After Katrina some people were displaced for months. So how are you going to feed people if you mandate masks? They can go without food for a few days but not months. You can't eat with a mask on. You have to eat outside even if it's pouring rain? Or everyone else stands out in the pouring rain while one person at a time eats inside the shelter? Or everyone is fed via IVs so they can keep their masks on?
What about the big increase in covid in kids that everyone is claiming? The Louisiana mandate exempts children under 5. Other states it's only those under 2. But what does "the science" say? Maybe with dangerous delta babies can transmit too. Should babies be banned from shelters because they don't wear masks, the great wonderful masks that will save us all?
Stay tuned for the next episode of As the Pandemic Turns.
I believe masks can be helpful when the correct masks are worn properly in close proximity to others, but I have little confidence that the majority of cloth or paper masks I see in public do much to protect others. I think they have un-necessarily become a flash point of resistance for some and resentment of those resistors for others.
Personally, I will wear a mask inside any establishment that requires it but if my state or locality goes out of it's way to appease those who resent and mandates the wearing of masks everywhere outside my home, I'll probably join the resistance movement in protest.
iris lilies
8-28-21, 10:03pm
I believe masks can be helpful when the correct masks are worn properly in close proximity to others, but I have little confidence that the majority of cloth or paper masks I see in public do much to protect others. I think they have un-necessarily become a flash point of resistance for some and resentment of those resistors for others.
Personally, I will wear a mask inside any establishment that requires it but if my state or locality goes out of it's way to appease those who resent and mandates the wearing of masks everywhere outside my home, I'll probably join the resistance movement in protest.
I already didn’t wear a mask outside my home, Walking and working in the community garden when I don’t encounter other humans,because that’s ridiculous. I don’t care with the city mandate says that’s just silly.
I will continue wearing an N95 mask when in proximity with other humans. Especially outsiders in congested spaces. Not to protect others, but to protect me, because, well, there's a whole lot of stupidity going on right now.
I can't imagine what the utility is/was for masking requirements for people who are outdoors and distanced. I've got ~6000 acres right out my back door with >100 miles of trails, and I can hike there all day long without seeing anyone closer than 100 meters if I want. What purpose would a mask serve?
I suppose the importance of masks differs whether one is hiking on an empty trail far from others or is in a hurricane shelter for hours/days with a combination of vaxxed amd unvaxxed people.
I also suspect people will be bummed/dead if they get turned away from a hospital because they’ve been injured/made sick from a hurricane because selfish unvaxxed people are taking up all the beds. But we live in America. We have the freedom to be selfish assholes. Thank you Ronald Reagan!
iris lilies
8-28-21, 10:33pm
I will continue wearing an N95 mask when in proximity with other humans. Especially outsiders in congested spaces. Not to protect others, but to protect me, because, well, there's a whole lot of stupidity going on right now.
I can't imagine what the utility is/was for masking requirements for people who are outdoors and distanced. I've got ~6000 acres right out my back door with >100 miles of trails, and I can hike there all day long without seeing anyone closer than 100 meters if I want. What purpose would a mask serve?
Our current city masking requirement is for a mask in any indoor public place, and that is fine with me.
I’m pretty sure The mandate from a year ago was more stringent, some thing about when you step outside of your house or off your property or something like that. Maybe I’m making that up but it just seemed more stringent to me.
ToomuchStuff
8-28-21, 11:55pm
What purpose would a mask serve?
Let the animals know, you are trying to protect them and not bigfoot?:laff:
I also suspect people will be bummed/dead if they get turned away from a hospital because they’ve been injured/made sick from a hurricane because selfish unvaxxed people are taking up all the beds. But we live in America. We have the freedom to be selfish assholes. Thank you Ronald Reagan!
If they are injured or made sick by a hurricane because they refused to evacuate are they still selfish assholes?
Are people who hike mountains during avalanche season selfish assholes?
Are people who get too close to large wildlife to photograph them and get gored selfish assholes? What if it's a near miss and they don't get injured?
Are people who drive above the speed limit selfish assholes? What about jaywalkers? People who do recreational flying on a crowded airplane during a pandemic (given the flimsy masks worn haphazardly by many)?
What if you plan a 700 person birthday bash on Martha's Vineyard during a pandemic with people flown in from around the country and only cancel it when the governor of Massachusetts shames you into it? Thank you Barack Obama!
If they are injured or made sick by a hurricane because they refused to evacuate are they still selfish assholes?
Are people who hike mountains during avalanche season selfish assholes?
Are people who get too close to large wildlife to photograph them and get gored selfish assholes? What if it's a near miss and they don't get injured?
Are people who drive above the speed limit selfish assholes? What about jaywalkers? People who do recreational flying on a crowded airplane during a pandemic (given the flimsy masks worn haphazardly by many)?
What if you plan a 700 person birthday bash on Martha's Vineyard during a pandemic with people flown in from around the country and only cancel it when the governor of Massachusetts shames you into it? Thank you Barack Obama!
Some peopp think they all deserve to die. Yeah Americuh.
ApatheticNoMore
8-29-21, 12:39am
The farmer's market requires masks. They police the entrance. Of course it's outdoors. Is it a bit silly and annoying? Yes. Is it hot? It's in the 90s. Do I do it? Fresh vegetables at the height of the season, I can't even describe how good the tomatoes and bell peppers are now. Of course I do. The lure is far stronger than the annoyance.
It will just be a cloth mask, sometimes I'll wear KN95s now if the situation is just a grocery store, but it's hard other places.
What if you plan a 700 person birthday bash on Martha's Vineyard during a pandemic with people flown in from around the country and only cancel it when the governor of Massachusetts shames you into it? Thank you Barack Obama!
Not cancelled, but scaled back to a couple of hundred. I doubt any Wagyu beef went to waste.
Dr. Scott Gottlieb on Face the Nation today said the two best ways to protect students are twice weekly testing and keeping students in pods rather than letting them intermingle with everyone in the school. No, masks are not in the first tier of defense - sorry to disappoint all of you who think masks are a cure-all.
Not cancelled, but scaled back to a couple of hundred. I doubt any Wagyu beef went to waste.
You are correct.
Teacher Terry
8-29-21, 12:02pm
Yppej, New Orleans has a high poverty rate so not everyone can evacuate for hurricanes.
Dr. Scott Gottlieb on Face the Nation today said the two best ways to protect students are twice weekly testing and keeping students in pods rather than letting them intermingle with everyone in the school. No, masks are not in the first tier of defense - sorry to disappoint all of you who think masks are a cure-all.
Please point to a post where any of us stated that masks are a cure all. Those of us who don't have an irrational hatred of masks understand that they are just one of several layers of defense. One of the people who wrote the pandemic plan that trump ignored suggested thinking of all the various ways to reduce transmission as layers of swiss cheese. Each layer has holes in it but when you stack three or four layers on top of each other there aren't any holes left that get all the way through.
ApatheticNoMore
8-29-21, 2:12pm
I don't think masks are a cure all, I wanted lockdowns, not just masks, lockdowns, limitations on business, to reduce the spread. Or I did in the height of the pandemic. And now? Well maybe places where hospitals are overwhelmed as it's real bad to let hospitals get overwhelmed, aka precisely where it won't happen. But places where there is hospital space and of course now vaccination? No. Zero covid can work for a long time, a year even, and did in countries where they were serious .... until it doesn't, as it's too hard to maintain forever, only vaccines then.
Did I wear a mask to protect myself all the time there was no vaccines (and now because it's the law)? Of course. But mostly social distancing (which isn't physical distancing (6 feet) though that's good too, and basic politeness before we had a vaccine), it means limiting close in person indoor human contact.
happystuff
8-29-21, 4:16pm
Regardless of regulations and/or requirements, still wearing a mask indoors - stores of any kind, etc. The school - even though students aren't in session yet - has already mandated masks for EVERYONE!!! When school starts, it will still be EVERYONE - including staff, teachers, students and visitors. I'm okay with that.
The pandemic model that was used to develop the pandemic plan looked at social interactions of people based on age etc and found that something like a 60% reduction in the spread of a contagious virus could be achieved simply by closing the schools. Apparently kids don’t have the same concept of personal space that adults do.
Dr. Scott Gottlieb on Face the Nation today said the two best ways to protect students are twice weekly testing and keeping students in pods rather than letting them intermingle with everyone in the school. No, masks are not in the first tier of defense - sorry to disappoint all of you who think masks are a cure-all.
No one ever said that they are a cure all... There are one part of a multi layered approach.
But Wait..... Your Equine Fun Fact Of The Day : Horses cannot breathe through their mouths
But Wait..... Your Equine Fun Fact Of The Day : Horses cannot breathe through their mouths
What??? What happens if they get a sinus infection or a cold? Or do they just not get those illnesses typically?
flowerseverywhere
8-30-21, 6:24am
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-morgue-relief-orange-20210827-ljpu6e3lhneshfk42cyivkbnam-story.html
refrigerator trucks to hold bodies in Central Florida area because morgues are full. Governor DeathSentence has not declared a state of emergency. Move along, folks. Nothing to see here.
boss mare
8-30-21, 10:38am
What??? What happens if they get a sinus infection or a cold? Or do they just not get those illnesses typically?
They get snotty noses/ colds . Its hard to watch/hear as they make awful sounds and its very clear that they are in distress.
happystuff
8-30-21, 1:52pm
My friend who recently moved down to South Carolina works as a custodial supervisor in a school of about 900 students - no masking required. Their first week of school they had 2 reported cases of covid. Their 2nd week of school (last week) they had somewhere over 45, apparently including the football team. She says they have to "shut down" any "area" that has 3 or more cases. Not sure exactly what defines "shut down" and "area", but she said she would find that out today.
My friend who recently moved down to South Carolina works as a custodial supervisor in a school of about 900 students - no masking required. Their first week of school they had 2 reported cases of covid. Their 2nd week of school (last week) they had somewhere over 45, apparently including the football team. She says they have to "shut down" any "area" that has 3 or more cases. Not sure exactly what defines "shut down" and "area", but she said she would find that out today.
simple math tells us that next week virtually everyone will have it.
simple math tells us that next week virtually everyone will have it.
Herd immunity here we come. Finally!
ApatheticNoMore
8-30-21, 4:13pm
And then that herd immunity is inferior to the vaccine anyway :laff:
Which is how it seems to be going, that herd immunity from getting the virus, is actually inferior in protection to just getting vaccinated.
A pastor got fired for "promoting" vaccinations on CNN. Another pastor forbids mask-wearing in his church. Three prominent anti-vaccine radio hosts have died of COVID so far...Meanwhile, hospitals are at or over capacity in many areas, and people with legitimate illnesses are dying because they can't get referred to a hospital that can admit them in time to save their lives. Really, I have no words.
And then that herd immunity is inferior to the vaccine anyway :laff:
Which is how it seems to be going, that herd immunity from getting the virus, is actually inferior in protection to just getting vaccinated.
Yep. I heard on NPR today the vaccine gets all the way into your bone marrow. You have lifetime protection unless your immune system is compromised. It prompts your body to form T cells that scour the respiratory tract for covid particles to destroy.
I'm surprised so many people in my poll plan to rush out and get boosters as soon as they can. I guess the fearmongering by the pharmaceutical companies to boost sales is working. Meanwhile billions around the world have no protection as most of the doses go, again and again, to the developed countries.
The news reported that unused doses are going bad in the South, where people are big on relying on God, their immune systems, or Ivermectin. >8)
I guess the fearmongering by the pharmaceutical companies to boost sales is working. .
Hogwash
happystuff
8-30-21, 6:10pm
Question for those with legitimate health background and experience - I keep wondering why, if vaccines are presumed by many to be the "cure all", are so many people (non-compromised, healthy people like my 2 bils, for example) that are vaccinated getting Delta variant (and possibly other variants) of covid? Unless the answer is that the vaccine is simply not a "cure all" - which is my belief at this point in time.
Question for those with legitimate health background and experience - I keep wondering why, if vaccines are the "cure all", are so many people (non-compromised, healthy people like my 2 bils, for example) that are vaccinated getting Delta variant (and possibly other variants) of covid? Unless the answer is that the vaccine is simply not a "cure all" - which is my belief at this point in time.
The vaccine is not a prevent all, but it is a cure all for healthy people. It keeps them from getting sick, being hospitalized, and dying.
For details see my post above by experts interviewed on NPR who have legitimate health backgrounds.
iris lilies
8-30-21, 6:57pm
Question for those with legitimate health background and experience - I keep wondering why, if vaccines are presumed by many to be the "cure all", are so many people (non-compromised, healthy people like my 2 bils, for example) that are vaccinated getting Delta variant (and possibly other variants) of covid? Unless the answer is that the vaccine is simply not a "cure all" - which is my belief at this point in time.
There are no absolutes or “cure alls.”
It’s likely the vaccines received by your BILS kept them from getting more serious cases.
The studies so far, still early in the Delta game, are showing Less serious cases among the vaccinated, few of those people need to be hospitalized, even if you were die.
But that’s true today and it can change tomorrow as a virus mutates and infects more and etc.
happystuff
8-30-21, 7:07pm
There are no absolutes or “cure alls.”
It’s likely the vaccines received by your BILS kept them from getting more serious cases.
The studies so far, still early in the Delta game, are showing Less serious cases among the vaccinated, few of those people need to be hospitalized, even if you were die.
But that’s true today and it can change tomorrow as a virus mutates and infects more and etc.
I agree. As I said, they were healthy AND vaccinated, so the vaccine definitely isn't a "cure all" even for healthy people, as some folks believe. I think the fact that they were healthy and vaccinated, as well as the treatment they received upon diagnosis, is what kept them out of the hospital and alive.
ApatheticNoMore
8-30-21, 7:14pm
It greatly reduces risk of hospitalizations and death. If it reduces risk enough to be equal to say the risk of driving to work or for that matter the flu, then it's not in any sense the same, it is the flu at that point (although of course it's not literally no risk). The problem is there are lots of unknowns right now it seems.
My, non healthcare expert understanding is that because the initial infection starts in the nose where the immune system can’t see infections invaders very well it is able to get started making a vaccinated person sick there, but then once the virus starts moving through the body the immune system is able to respond quickly and knock it down, but for a not insignificant number of people that immune response is after they are showing symptoms.
I suppose vaccines weren't the cure alls for other viruses like smallpox, polio, measles, hepatitis B, and mumps.
Oh wait - they were cure alls. How about that?
Chicken lady
8-30-21, 8:40pm
Edited out. Not snarky, just irrelevant.
Posting while tired….
I suppose vaccines weren't the cure alls for other viruses like smallpox, polio, measles, hepatitis B, and mumps.
Oh wait - they were cure alls. How about that?
And how infectious were those compared to how effective the vaccines were and the oercentage of the population that got vaxxed for them. Those details make all the difference.
And how infectious were those compared to how effective the vaccines were and the oercentage of the population that got vaxxed for them. Those details make all the difference.
Pretty much everyone got vaccinated. Vaccines work if you work them. If you don't it's not the vaccine's fault.
Pretty much everyone got vaccinated. Vaccines work if you work them. If you don't it's not the vaccine's fault.
And on that we agree. It’s sad and frustrating that such a large segment of our population have become distrustful of science and people with expertise in various fields. And heartbreaking that it’s leading to tens of thousands of preventable deaths.
And on that we agree. It’s sad and frustrating that such a large segment of our population have become distrustful of science and people with expertise in various fields. And heartbreaking that it’s leading to tens of thousands of preventable deaths.
Natural selection. It's the unvaccinated who are dying. If enough of them keel over there won't be any left to die and then maybe I can finally take that damn mask off. As of right now we've got a huge moral hazard situation. People can refuse the vaccine knowing others who did get vaccinated will have to wear masks for them and, unless you work at Delta Airlines, pick up the tab for their hospitalizations in increased medical premiums.
#IDidn'tGetVaccinatedForNothing but my Board of Health sure thinks I did.
A doctor points out that cloth face masks don't stop covid and is suspended from YouTube. What is our country coming to?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/youtube-suspends-sen-rand-paul-over-video-falsely-claiming-masks-n1276534
A doctor points out that cloth face masks don't stop covid and is suspended from YouTube. What is our country coming to?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/youtube-suspends-sen-rand-paul-over-video-falsely-claiming-masks-n1276534
The horrors! An eye doctor lies about a subject unrelated to his specialty and his video gets pulled from youtube.
The horrors! An eye doctor lies about a subject unrelated to his specialty and his video gets pulled from youtube.Why do you say he lied? I've read of several studies of mask usage conducted in pre-covid times which found that many cloth or paper masks provide so little protection as to make their benefit statistically irrelevant. When did it become impolitic to follow the science?
If cloth masks work so well, why at one time were people being advised to double mask?
ApatheticNoMore
8-31-21, 3:02pm
Well what are you going to do about it? If we want to have the ability to manufacture (and stockpile at least for healthcare workers, that also got messed up, but that may have been all Trump) better quality masks, that's policy. The few medical quality mask manufacturers in this country that exist are going bankrupt now. So if the desire is for better quality masks, I'd be concerned about that.
Of course the desire is just to complain about nothing here, all day long obviously.
Is that youtube person talking about that and does he actually want us to be more prepared for the NEXT pandemic ... the desire there is most of the time just to grift.
Well what are you going to do about it?
Attending my local Board of Health meeting this week to comment on the mask mandate for municipal buildings and try to get it repealed.
Attending my local Board of Health meeting this week to comment on the mask mandate for municipal buildings and try to get it repealed.
I am sure they will give your public health expertise due consideration.
ApatheticNoMore
8-31-21, 3:21pm
One Year Later, America’s Mask Supply Chain Is Still Vulnerable
PPE manufacturers struggle as lawmakers call dependence on foreign supplies a security risk"
"The mask makers’ plight is part of a larger problem that the U.S. government faces: ensuring a reliable domestic supply of protective gear for the next crisis. At the beginning of the pandemic, imports of personal protective equipment from overseas—which made up almost all of the PPE supply in the U.S.—were disrupted, and doctors and nurses often had to wear the same masks for weeks and plastic bags for protective gowns because of shortages.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-27/covid-delta-variant-u-s-mask-makers-struggle-despite-virus-surge
I mean the whole reason that cloth masks EVER became a thing was insufficient supply of medical masks in the U.S.. In many countries they were wearing medical masks all along. Some countries like Germany were requiring them (but maybe not the earliest days of the pandemic either as I don't know if they had them either). Government here did not or could not ramp up production very quickly either with the defense production act (I mean the Trump admin handled the pandemic badly in every which way, but I don't know all the obstacles either, they may extend beyond that). So if the whole problem is cloth masks aren't as effective as medical masks especially N95. Well duh, but this was the root cause.
I am sure they will give your public health expertise due consideration.
I don't expect to win, but I'm not going to give up my rights without protest. I follow in the tradition of many dissidents who stood up against tyrants even when the odds were against them.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-27/covid-delta-variant-u-s-mask-makers-struggle-despite-virus-surge
I mean the whole reason that cloth masks EVER became a thing was insufficient supply of medical masks in the U.S.. In many countries they were wearing medical masks all along. Some countries like Germany were requiring them (but maybe not the earliest days of the pandemic either as I don't know if they had them either). Government here did not or could not ramp up production very quickly either with the defense production act (I mean the Trump admin handled the pandemic badly in every which way, but I don't know all the obstacles either, they may extend beyond that). So if the whole problem is cloth masks aren't as effective as medical masks. Well duh, but this was the root cause.
I saw on sale at the gas station "three way protection" in one package - masks, hand sanitizer, and disinfectant spray. They are trying to unload the excess. People are tired of being scared and they aren't buying the stuff much anymore.
iris lilies
8-31-21, 3:28pm
The horrors! An eye doctor lies about a subject unrelated to his specialty and his video gets pulled from youtube.
He is an M.D. , just sayin, Not an optometrist. Gives him a little bit more cred in the disease game than, oh I don’t know, – – YOU.
But the bigger picture is that yeah I think it’s disgusting that YouTube took him down. It is good for his campaign coffers though so there’s that.I just hope he doesn’t play the victim card for too long because that gets very annoying to Iris.
Today I’m testing Nextdoor with a post that has “ivermectin ivermectin ivermectin” in it as well as a link to an ivermectin and Covid summary from an authoritative source. Waiting to see if Nextdoor will auto bot mod that post.
The Nextdoor nanny software did ask me when I tried to post it the first time if I really wanted to post it because there might be misinformation in it. I assume “ivermectin “is a stopword on Nextdoor’s list.
ApatheticNoMore
8-31-21, 3:36pm
He is an M.D. , just sayin, Not an optometrist. Gives him a little bit more cred in the disease game than, oh I don’t know, – – YOU.
oh wow an M.D. says something, I'm so impressed /sarc.
I think if one has medical issues it makes sense to seek professional opinion of course. But also everyone knows there are quacks out there and some of them have an M.D. If you don't have a skepticism radar up for that, I don't know.
I don't think anyone is silly enough to take actual medical advice from people just casually posting here, who don't have and make no pretense of medical expertise. I mean casual stuff is just that, it's casual opinon, it's not professional expertise. But that said ... with a serious medical issue I wouldn't advise anyone to rely on the opinion of a single M.D. unless it's an emergency and urgent action is needed. Always get a second opinion from a second doctor.
And what is it even about? I think the authorities should have LONG SINCE pivoted to talking about mask quality, KN95s became available before N95s. I mean obviously they should have. But local authorities could never even distinguish between indoor and outdoor risks long before Delta (to what extent that still holds with Delta, well probably but Delta is more contagious if unvaccinated). So communication has been bad, head bangingly bad. And initially availability of masks was bad, and maybe we should try to prevent that in the future.
happystuff
8-31-21, 9:59pm
My friend who recently moved down to South Carolina works as a custodial supervisor in a school of about 900 students - no masking required. Their first week of school they had 2 reported cases of covid. Their 2nd week of school (last week) they had somewhere over 45, apparently including the football team. She says they have to "shut down" any "area" that has 3 or more cases. Not sure exactly what defines "shut down" and "area", but she said she would find that out today.
Was texting with the friend today. The school is a middle school - 950 students. As of today (2nd day of 3rd week of school), 150 kids out and 9 teachers.
Before anyone asks, this is the only information I have. Personally, I'm surprised - but then again, not surprised - at the rate of the increasing numbers. Saying prayers for them all.
ToomuchStuff
8-31-21, 11:01pm
If cloth masks work so well, why at one time were people being advised to double mask?
It is easier to do that in restaurants:
https://youtu.be/O2dtfKi47u8
He is an M.D. , just sayin, Not an optometrist. Gives him a little bit more cred in the disease game than, oh I don’t know, – – YOU.
But the bigger picture is that yeah I think it’s disgusting that YouTube took him down. It is good for his campaign coffers though so there’s that.I just hope he doesn’t play the victim card for too long because that gets very annoying to Iris.
Today I’m testing Nextdoor with a post that has “ivermectin ivermectin ivermectin” in it as well as a link to an ivermectin and Covid summary from an authoritative source. Waiting to see if Nextdoor will auto bot mod that post.
The Nextdoor nanny software did ask me when I tried to post it the first time if I really wanted to post it because there might be misinformation in it. I assume “ivermectin “is a stopword on Nextdoor’s list.
Personally I give his neighbor the most credit of all. He’s a true American hero.
But sure, a fancy eye doc undoubtedly knows more than the rest of us about a subject unrelated to his specialty than the rest of us and which has been highly politicized.
Feel free to share with us any actual virologist’s research that has shown that the BS he posted in that video has any facts behind it. I’m sure you’ll try hard since I know how much you adore this turd of a human being. Or you can just whine about how mean I am and decline to do so.
And for the record Ben Carson is an md. But no one but no one actually thinks he’s a smart person.
And for the record Ben Carson is an md. But no one but no one actually thinks he’s a smart person.
If you were one of the twins conjoined at the head who he successfully separated you might think otherwise.
It seems a little ironic to me that the same general group or tribe that opposes masks and vaccines as an expression of personal freedom would also likely be opposed to abortions. I have seen the signs of protesters saying, my child, my choice. It seems to echo some abortion protest slogans from other groups.
It seems a little ironic to me that the same general group or tribe that opposes masks and vaccines as an expression of personal freedom would also likely be opposed to abortions. I have seen the signs of protesters saying, my child, my choice. It seems to echo some abortion protest slogans from other groups.
I am pro-choice and anti-mask. I suspect there are others with libertarian leanings who are the same. Maybe they are just not as vocal.
If you were one of the twins conjoined at the head who he successfully separated you might think otherwise.
I’m not saying he’s not a skilled surgeon. But having one impressive skill doesn’t make one smart. It makes one good at a particular task.
I think Ben Carson is very smart, and you have to be very smart to be a skilled surgeon. He was not a good politician, but that's a positive in my book.
Becoming a skilled surgeon requires a tremendous amount of intelligence, among other things, like tenacity and curiosity and compassion.
And for the record Ben Carson is an md. But no one but no one actually thinks he’s a smart person.I think he's brilliant and I'm not alone in that belief. Curious why you chose him as an example of someone you consider dumb.
I didn't get a response on my concerns about mask wearing for jury duty next month so I emailed the court again.
Teacher Terry
9-1-21, 1:41pm
After seeing Ben Carson’s performance during the previous administration I certainly wouldn’t choose him as my surgeon.
Most specialized physicians are affluent. Most like the current health care system and are afraid of socialized medicine. (I have found primary care doctors often like the idea of health care for all, and they are the lowest paid specialty.) Affluent individuals are more likely to favor Republican tax policies as well as health care policies. If you need highly specialized care and only want someone who agrees with you ideologically you would probably be out of luck.
Similarly, I suggest you not look too closely at the political views of the blue collar tradespeople coming out to your home or you might not find anyone to your liking.
Masks.
Summary: A randomized-trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh during
COVID-19 shows that the intervention tripled mask usage and reduced symptomatic SARS-CoV-2
infections, demonstrating that promoting community mask-wearing can improve public health.
https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf
I didn't get a response on my concerns about mask wearing for jury duty next month so I emailed the court again.
If your county is like mine, you have to go the day of your appointed day and sit through the first part of the trial where they explain what the case is about. It says on the summons it's self that calling or e mailing for an excuse is not permitted. Then during the actual jury selection you can come forward with any issues and ask to be excused form jury duty. I had jury duty in July. It was being held in the gym of a school that had been built in the 1930's. I have Meniere's disease and severe hearing loss. Even with hearing aides, it was very very hard to hear what was being said because of the bad acoustics . I asked to be moved up closer. Still didn't help. I ended up getting excused, along with two other people who had hearing issues. So, you may have to go in the first day. We also have on the form a place where we can ask for a deferral . Just put another month that works better for you.
Masks.
https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf
Let's hog all the vaccines for ourselves as boosters and just let them wear masks - or maybe let them eat cake. And you call me a troll.
I deferred last year not wanting to go in the middle of a pandemic.
This year masks went away but now like Freddy Krueger they're back. I would go if I didn't have to wear a mask for 8 hours. But my vaccination was pointless.
Finally got a response late last night that I need a letter from my doctor so I will see if I can get that.
flowerseverywhere
9-2-21, 5:57am
Here in coronavirus central many people are getting third shots on the sly. They are just going to a cvs or Walgreens and saying they are getting their first shot.
we asked our Md, whom I trust completely, and she advised us to wait out full eight months. We are pretty physically fit and healthy and she recommended following the CDC guidelines. If we were first responders, had a medical condition, in the line of duty in a hospital or forced to begin big crowds it would be different.
Update on Florida, ICU’s are still full. Lines for testing and regeneron treatment. But at least we are not Texas where you can open carry guns without any training or permit and women cannot get an abortion after six weeks(when most don’t even know they are pregnant) even in cases of rape or incest, or for legitimate medical reasons. Of course, the well to do can just go to another state, but poor women, too bad so sad.
‘’I swear Abbot and DeSantis are doing all they can to do everything they can to promote death, except for the unborn (especially the poor) that they then will do anything they can to help them grow into healthy and well educated citizens.
ApatheticNoMore
9-2-21, 10:05am
Here in coronavirus central many people are getting third shots on the sly. They are just going to a cvs or Walgreens and saying they are getting their first shot.
I don't blame them at all, especially the older age group, though waiting might even produce more immunity. I would prefer not to keep getting boosters forever if I don't have to.
That the actual practical matter, which I still don't understand, gets obscured with weird moral posturing, we are no good to anyone if we keep having endless virus to deal with (talk about guaranteeing another Trump or something, never mind if it's New Orleans and hospitals are already overwhelmed and now they have hurricanes). And good to anyone, isn't really that I expect the U.S. to save the world, but come on if all is chaos, it's just a pure negative influence. It's hard to run a functional society under permanent virus. But maybe the problem is still largely the fairly large unvaccinated at all group.
Lines for testing and regeneron treatment.
I really don't get it, "I don't trust medicine so no vaccine for me, but please give me Regeneron". Wth. Why?
Our company had tickets to offer customers at no charge to them to a well known pop group concert at Fenway Park but no one wants to go because of the mask mandate. I wonder how many other businesses will see a drop off in interest as the sledgehammer comes crashing down again.
There are definitely shifting goal posts. My state used to have a color coded map for risk - red, yellow, green. Now cases are so low that the map has been discontinued, but we are told things are "high" or "substantial" risk and we need to lose our freedoms again. Today's high and substantial is last year's green you're in the clear.
Let's hog all the vaccines for ourselves as boosters and just let them wear masks - or maybe let them eat cake.
Kinda not what I said, nor what the study on communication, masking, and distancing said.
But we're used to this foolishness and dishonesty from you.
And you call me a troll.
I hope you get the help you need.
Teacher Terry
9-2-21, 4:04pm
The New York Times had a article about many people may not need a booster now based on some new information. This doesn’t apply to people in nursing homes or immune compromised. I am going to wait awhile to see what they discover.
iris lilies
9-2-21, 4:10pm
The New York Times had a article about many people may not need a booster now based on some new information. This doesn’t apply to people in nursing homes or immune compromised. I am going to wait awhile to see what they discover.
Does this have to do with the new information that natural antibodies really are stronger than vaccine produced immunity?
iris lilies
9-2-21, 4:19pm
Personally I give his neighbor the most credit of all. He’s a true American hero.
But sure, a fancy eye doc undoubtedly knows more than the rest of us about a subject unrelated to his specialty than the rest of us and which has been highly politicized.
Feel free to share with us any actual virologist’s research that has shown that the BS he posted in that video has any facts behind it. I’m sure you’ll try hard since I know how much you adore this turd of a human being. Or you can just whine about how mean I am and decline to do so.
Taking your post top to bottom:
His neighbor is not a hero. Oddly his neighbor was also a small guy and as one of the people on the block said it was a fight of the pygmies. The attacking neighbor has been in the eyes of the law prior to this incident for anger outbursts.
The highly politicized aspect of this is fairly stupid but he still does have some legitimacy. I listened to the debate with Fauci as it was taking place as I was driving around Hermann. They went on and on about “gain of function” in funded Whuhan lab. Yawn. To me as a tax paying American I was unhappily surprised to hear that we’re funding ANY China virus research So whether or not we’re funding the lab unit that let this virus escape is academic.
I don’t know which video was taken down by YouTube so I don’t know which topic you are talking about. See jp Youtube REMOVED the video, and this renders it unwatchable.It is true I do like him and I’ve gone out of my way to see him in person two times over the past dozen years. I don’t do that with other politicians. I just like him. I like the fact that we’re continuing to talk about him and not once have mentioned his name, that is cool.
When did 5’8” become considered short? The average height for men in the US is 5’9”. Except perhaps in Lake Wobegon.
iris lilies
9-2-21, 4:35pm
When did 5’8” become considered short? The average height for men in the US is 5’9”. Except perhaps in Lake Wobegon.
I don’t know how tall he is although I’m sure I’ve looked it up. But if his bio says he’s 5’8” that probably means he’s closer to 5’6”.
Personally I give his neighbor the most credit of all. He’s a true American hero.
I've noticed you generally choose not to respond to questions regarding mean spirited things you say but I have to ask, what part of his neighbor's unprovoked physical attack on Rand Paul makes him a hero?
iris lilies
9-2-21, 5:03pm
I've noticed you generally choose not to respond to questions regarding mean spirited things you say but I have to ask, what part of his neighbor's unprovoked physical attack on Rand Paul makes him a hero?
Especially since it was about Garden hedges. The entire altercation was about garden issues.
I think Rand is cool because he does his own yard work.
I have to ask, what part of his neighbor's unprovoked physical attack on Rand Paul makes him a hero?
Seems to me that would be more of a "criminal" than "heroic" act.
iris lilies
9-2-21, 5:25pm
Seems to me that would be more of a "criminal" than "heroic" act.
And I think quite a lot of people think Ben Carson is smart enough to perform complex surgery.
JP, you’ve made several statements in this entire thread that are quite WTF and they affect your overall believability.
Most specialized physicians are affluent. Most like the current health care system and are afraid of socialized medicine. (I have found primary care doctors often like the idea of health care for all, and they are the lowest paid specialty.) Affluent individuals are more likely to favor Republican tax policies as well as health care policies. If you need highly specialized care and only want someone who agrees with you ideologically you would probably be out of luck.
Similarly, I suggest you not look too closely at the political views of the blue collar tradespeople coming out to your home or you might not find anyone to your liking.
I'm not sure about that. The doctors I speak with on a daily basis are totally frustrated by our healthcare system, or moreso by our insurance system. They are hogtied, they have been forced to hire a whole department of people to wade through prior authorizations for insurance claims, they are told by insurance companies what's best for their patients, and they are bogged down in administration.
That goes for specialists as well as the family doctor. When I ask doctors about unmet needs in healthcare, they never cite clinical unmet needs--they say "coverage."
And affluence has nothing to do with it. Doctors have to sell their practices to integrated delivery networks to relieve themselves of the burden of cost.
The physician member of the Board of Health told me masks only work 20% of the time. But they would not remove the mandate even in areas like the adult section of the library. I asked why don't they repeal the city mandate now that there is a state mandate to cover schools, daycares, and nursing homes but nope. I emailed the city councillors asking them to get rid of the appointed Board of Health and replace it with an elected Board of Health that is accountable to the voters. Stay tuned.
ApatheticNoMore
9-2-21, 6:56pm
I'm not sure about that. The doctors I speak with on a daily basis are totally frustrated by our healthcare system, or moreso by our insurance system. They are hogtied, they have been forced to hire a whole department of people to wade through prior authorizations for insurance claims, they are told by insurance companies what's best for their patients, and they are bogged down in administration.
That goes for specialists as well as the family doctor. When I ask doctors about unmet needs in healthcare, they never cite clinical unmet needs--they say "coverage."
And affluence has nothing to do with it. Doctors have to sell their practices to integrated delivery networks to relieve themselves of the burden of cost.
but are doctors paid higher than they are in oh I don't know say Canada? (or any other universal healthcare model of one's choosing) And if so would they be willing to take a pay cut for say Canadian healthcare for all? Because if all we have here is people complaining about the things they don't like about their job, that doesn't really tell us much on if they would support a different system or not. I know there is the problem of school debt costs as well though that people take on to become MDs.
So much nonsense, where to begin...
Oh yes, by going out and kayaking.
ApatheticNoMore
9-2-21, 7:45pm
So what is the way to reduce healthcare costs to what the rest of the world pays?
It seems like almost every other system is preferable, covers more universally, and is cheaper. And if that reduces doctors salaries or hospital costs or prescription costs or device costs or eliminates insurance middleman (that's the usual assumption) so be it. We have about the most expensive healthcare in the world and don't even manage universal coverage, so just about any model is better. But I need to work out all the detail? What good would that do? It would be the most pointless thing in the world. At least I want to charge people for my substack then :). But anyway plenty of people have written plenty on healthcare policy, if one wanted healthcare policy papers, but what's the point unless any of it actually becomes actual policy, and for that you need lawmakers willing to pass legislation. It's like the IPCC can blab on all day long about climate, with all the expertise in the world, and if no governments listen, it kind of misses the goal. If those in power wanted universal coverage at less than we are paying in total healthcare costs, well given many countries achieve this, it shouldn't be impossible, it really shouldn't. It should really be a fairly simple problem, definitely compared to climate change. But they have to want it.
I do think Obama hit political walls although the ACA was passed by reconciliation, but how serious he ever was I don't know. Just what we got, was a medical safety net with big enough holes to drive a semi through and definitely not universal medical care, and we were all told to love it.
Let's hog all the vaccines for ourselves as boosters and just let them wear masks - or maybe let them eat cake. And you call me a troll.
Dealing with Covid is a multi layered approach. Its masks, social distancing, hand washing, vaccines . And people not be to so belligerent about it. you remind me of a petulant kid sitting at the dinner table, refusing to eat their veggies.
Your Equine Fun Fact of the Day: Rhinos and Tarpir are very closely related to horses.
Dealing with Covid is a multi layered approach. Its masks, social distancing, hand washing, vaccines . And people not be to so belligerent about it. you remind me of a petulant kid sitting at the dinner table, refusing to eat their veggies.
Your Equine Fun Fact of the Day: Rhinos and Tarpir are very closely related to horses.
Let's parse this reply from someone who thinks she has the answers.
1. "Its" should be "It's'".
2. There should not be a space after "vaccines" before the period.
3. "And people not be to so belligerent" is completely ungrammatical.
4. "You" as the first word in a sentence should be capitalized.
5. "Kid ... eating their veggies" would be better worded using the plural "kids" instead of "a ... kid".
6. There is no such animal as a tarpir although there is a tapir.
And you want me to believe you've got the details of a multi layered covid approach down? Detail doesn't seem to be your forte.
The physician member of the Board of Health told me masks only work 20% of the time. But they would not remove the mandate even in areas like the adult section of the library. I asked why don't they repeal the city mandate now that there is a state mandate to cover schools, daycares, and nursing homes but nope. I emailed the city councillors asking them to get rid of the appointed Board of Health and replace it with an elected Board of Health that is accountable to the voters. Stay tuned.
I suppose he also recommends self medicating with ivermectin too.
Your Equine Fun Fact Of The Day : Horses carry 60% of their weight on their front ends.
Let's parse this reply from someone who thinks she has the answers.
1. "Its" should be "It's'".
2. There should not be a space after "vaccines" before the period.
3. "And people not be to so belligerent" is completely ungrammatical.
4. "You" as the first word in a sentence should be capitalized.
5. "Kid ... eating their veggies" would be better worded using the plural "kids" instead of "a ... kid".
6. There is no such animal as a tarpir although there is a tapir.
And you want me to believe you've got the details of a multi layered covid approach down? Detail doesn't seem to be your forte.
Ok... So I am tired. And I have fat finger syndrome !Splat!. I just cleaned and re-bedding 18 stalls, cleaned my own two at home, took a lesson, mowed my back field. So that's you got to nit pick on... LOL What is your medical background? Again when was the last time you took CE course on infectious disease control ? I eagerly await your answer. And don't even try to match me on horse facts. You will lose
Your Equine Fun Fact Of The Day : Stallions and geldings have canine teeth. Mares do not
I suppose he also recommends self medicating with ivermectin too.
Not at all.
Ok... So I am tired. And I have fat finger syndrome !Splat!. I just cleaned and re-bedding 18 stalls, cleaned my own two at home, took a lesson, mowed my back field. So that's you got to nit pick on... LOL What is your medical background? Again when was the last time you took CE course on infectious disease control ? I eagerly await your answer. And don't even try to match me on horse facts. You will lose
Your Equine Fun Fact Of The Day : Stallions and geldings have canine teeth. Mares do not
"So that's you got to nit pick on" is an incomplete sentence.
Nitpick is one word not two.
There should be a period at the end of your sentence "You will lose." Ditto your sentence "Mares do not."
"So that's you got to nit pick on" is an incomplete sentence.
Nitpick is one word not two.
There should be a period at the end of your sentence "You will lose." Ditto your sentence "Mares do not."
Still waiting for you to tell us your hands on medical experience. And your last CE course that you attended on infectious disease control.
Oh mY gOd... Boss Mare's gRaMmAr , sPeLlInG aNd pUnTuAtIoN iS nOt On PoInT... It's ThE eNd Of tHe wOrLd ....
The Equine Fun Fact Of The Day : A trot/ jog, be it collected, extended, or working is a two beat diagonal gait. The left hind and right front hit the ground at the same time, Swinging forward, then the right hind and left front will hit the at the same time.
the right hind and left front will hit the at the same time.
Missing words or missing more?
Missing words or missing more?
Ya know being obtuse is not a good look on you. But I do have to ask: how many adult beverages have you had tonight? You must not have any hands on medical experience or have taken a current CE course about infectious disease control.
The Equine Fun Fact Of The Day : The Quarter Horse Congress, held in Columbus, Ohio is the largest single breed show in the world.
I have fat finger syndrome
Fat fingering is striking two characters instead of one resulting in an extra letter in a word. It does not explain missing words, missing punctuation, or anything else missing.
Fat fingering is striking two characters instead of one resulting in an extra letter in a word. It does not explain missing words, missing punctuation, or anything else missing.
Sweet cheeks, we are all waiting for your medical credentials.
Sweet cheeks, we are all waiting for your medical credentials.
Would it matter? You falsely accused a medical doctor you've never met and know nothing about of promoting ivermectin and your cronies have bashed other doctors including Rand Paul and Ben Carson. You blow off the World Health Organization recommendations on vaccine distribution because you want to hog all the doses for yourselves. You lionize as "the science" the no masks needed, now needed, now not good enough you must double mask, now abruptly not needed because the governor of Utah complained to Biden, now needed again crowd. Because they couldn't possibly be political.
Would it matter? You falsely accused a medical doctor you've never met and know nothing about of promoting ivermectin and your cronies have bashed other doctors including Rand Paul and Ben Carson. You blow off the World Health Organization recommendations on vaccine distribution because you want to hog all the doses for yourselves. You lionize as "the science" the no masks needed, now needed, now not good enough you must double mask, now abruptly not needed because the governor of Utah complained to Biden, now needed again crowd. Because they couldn't possibly be political.
Sweetie... I have only challenged you... Show me where I said anything about Rand Paul Ben Carson etc.
I am totally convinced that you are irrational. I have better things to do than to argue with you.
Mark Twain was credited with saying" Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".
The Equine Fun Fact Of The Day: Secretariat's first foal was out of an Appaloosa mare named Leola, as a " test" breed. The foal, a stallion is registered with the ApHC ( Appaloosa Horse Club) with the name First Secretary. A bonus fact : The equestrian boot and clothing company Ariat , took their name from part of Secretariat.
Sweetie... I have only challenged you... Show me where I said anything about Rand Paul Ben Carson etc.
I am totally convinced that you are irrational. I have better things to do than to argue with you.
Mark Twain was credited with saying" Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".
The Equine Fun Fact Of The Day: Secretariat's first foal was out of an Appaloosa mare named Leola, as a " test" breed. The foal, a stallion is registered with the ApHC ( Appaloosa Horse Club) with the name First Secretary. A bonus fact : The equestrian boot and clothing company Ariat , took their name from part of Secretariat.
There should be a comma between Paul and Ben and another one following Carson.
Quotes take the form comma space quote mark quote as in
Saying, "Never argue...
Not
saying" Never
There should not be a space between ( and Appaloosa.
In your last sentence the comma and space preceding it are improper and disrupt the flow of the sentence.
Implying I am stupid when you are the one repeatedly making errors I learned to avoid in the first few years of elementary school is a good example of psychological projection.
Sometimes it is tricky to properly titrate medications for mental health problems, especially when you have to deal with multiple interacting medications. Or with changing environmental circumstances.
I do wish people with those troubles success in achieving balance.
Boss Mare, thank you for the fun fact of the day. Learned a lot since I had to check them out and went down the rabbit hole of additional information.
Sometimes it is tricky to properly titrate medications for mental health problems, especially when you have to deal with multiple interacting medications. Or with changing environmental circumstances.
I do wish people with those troubles success in achieving balance.
Implying people you disagree with are mentally ill trivializes mental illness. Would you say someone who has different views than you hold should properly titrate their chemotherapy medications? Here we see the stigmatization of mental illness compared to physical illness.
Let's parse this reply from someone who thinks she has the answers.
1. "Its" should be "It's'".
2. There should not be a space after "vaccines" before the period.
3. "And people not be to so belligerent" is completely ungrammatical.
4. "You" as the first word in a sentence should be capitalized.
5. "Kid ... eating their veggies" would be better worded using the plural "kids" instead of "a ... kid".
6. There is no such animal as a tarpir although there is a tapir.
And you want me to believe you've got the details of a multi layered covid approach down? Detail doesn't seem to be your forte.
This response is the classic example of ‘what the person said is dead on accurate and irrefutable so I will randomly attack the messenger about something completely irrelevant.’
I think he's brilliant and I'm not alone in that belief. Curious why you chose him as an example of someone you consider dumb.
Smart doctors don’t go to crowded, maskless, indoor parties hosted by known super spreaders during a pandemic, sending themselves to the hospital and near death. They also don’t take jobs that they are completely unqualified for and then spend the duration of their time at that job achieving nothing more notable than a large decorating bill for the office.
And I think quite a lot of people think Ben Carson is smart enough to perform complex surgery.
JP, you’ve made several statements in this entire thread that are quite WTF and they affect your overall believability.
I didn’t mean to upset you so much with my comment about Rand. But what can I say, I love it when a bully like Rand escalates a situation and the bullied person stands up to them. I couldn’t find anything to indicate that his neighbor was habitually violent so without proof I have to assume he’s not. I’ll be happy to revise my opinion of him if I’m inaccurate about that.
iris lilies
9-3-21, 7:43am
I didn’t mean to upset you so much with my comment about Rand. But what can I say, I love it when a bully like Rand escalates a situation and the bullied person stands up to them. I couldn’t find anything to indicate that his neighbor was habitually violent so without proof I have to assume he’s not. I’ll be happy to revise my opinion of him if I’m inaccurate about that.
https://www.gq.com/story/inside-rand-pauls-neighborhood-fight
Rand Paul’s attacking neighbor is named Rene Boucher. This opinion piece tries to suss out why the neighbor was so angry at Senator Paul.it may have to do with lawn practices. It is true that some men take grass care very seriously, enough to cause major injury to their neighbor, especially if they are easily angered and perhaps a little crazy.
“…At Hilligans, a popular sports bar by the campus of Western Kentucky University, the same woman who told me about Boucher's fussiness toward his yard also called him a "hothead" and suggested he may have a sort of "little man's syndrome."
"He gets really stuck in his own head, and he's known for his temper," she said. At the same time, "Rand Paul's not the most-liked man in Bowling Green," she confided.”
“…Later, at the mention of Boucher, an older man pointed to his temple to indicate that Boucher is nuts, while his wife protested that she knows Boucher better and that he's "just different, that's all."
as an aside, this is the description of their physical stature:”…an acquaintance of the two men estimates that they both stand five-foot-six and weigh about 140 pounds…
In the end I assert:
1. you didnt “upset” me. That is silly
2. Rand Paul was seriously hurt from an illegal attack by his neighbor. He has ongoing physical problems from that attack. The attack was WRONG. His neighbor justifiably served 7 months in jail and will pay $580,000 won in a civil suit
3. I am not surprised that you can’t simply admit #2…you should be able to simply say it was wrong.
I can, for instance, say that Rand Paul’s support of Donald Trump on some of Donald’s ridiculous and harmful positions very much annoyed me. That doesnt mean I completely dislike senator Paul and his politics.
I can’t help but think a reasonable person of your political persuasion could say Boucher’s attack on
senator Paul was obviously WRONG while continuing to dislike Senator Paul and his positions. That you can’t make this simple declaration says much about you.
iris lilies
9-3-21, 8:01am
Implying people you disagree with are mentally ill trivializes mental illness. Would you say someone who has different views than you hold should properly titrate their chemotherapy medications? Here we see the stigmatization of mental illness compared to physical illness.
No, it is more than bae or anyone else “disagreeing” with you.
Your repeated one-note posts about masks and now this new kick of attacking grammar, spelling, and punctuation, are not the actions of a mentally healthy person.
No, it is more than bae or anyone else “disagreeing” with you.
Your repeated one-note posts about masks and now this new kick of attacking grammar, spelling, and punctuation, are not the actions of a mentally healthy person.
Now it's my turn to ask what are your medical qualifications including CE in psychiatry that you feel you can diagnose me?
iris lilies
9-3-21, 8:45am
Now it's my turn to ask what are your medical qualifications including CE in psychiatry that you feel you can diagnose me?
Common sense, my friend.
Common sense, my friend.
Even people with psychiatric training will generally not want to diagnose someone without meeting them in person. When some few tried to diagnose Trump without having him as a patient they were criticized as this goes against protocol. But you with no training are having at it. All righty!
Provincetown MA let everyone come party for the Fourth of July. There was a covid outbreak and they put a mask mandate in place.
Just ahead of the Labor Day weekend the mandate has been dropped. Got to get ready for more big parties by tourists on a holiday weekend, and none of them want to wear a mask.
I can’t help but think a reasonable person of your political persuasion could say Boucher’s attack on
senator Paul was obviously WRONG while continuing to dislike Senator Paul and his positions. That you can’t make this simple declaration says much about you. [/FONT][/COLOR]
I’m put in mind of that line from “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance”. Something about the facts and the legend.
I’m put in mind of that line from “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance”. Something about the facts and the legend."This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.
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Teacher Terry
9-3-21, 3:27pm
Obviously the guy that attacked Rand Paul was not mentally healthy and had anger problems. No one should be beaten. That’s a easy call.
I, too, really appreciate the fun facts, boss mare. Thanks!
I, too, really appreciate the fun facts, boss mare. Thanks!
The facts are fun tidbits!
There should be a comma between Paul and Ben and another one following Carson.
Quotes take the form comma space quote mark quote as in
Saying, "Never argue...
Not
saying" Never
There should not be a space between ( and Appaloosa.
In your last sentence the comma and space preceding it are improper and disrupt the flow of the sentence.
Implying I am stupid when you are the one repeatedly making errors I learned to avoid in the first few years of elementary school is a good example of psychological projection.
Soooo Here's the gig on my grammar, punctuation etc, since you want to make a federal case of it.
I am dyslexic. I transpose numbers and letters all the time.
I am very well aware that I don't translate well on the internet/printed word.
I have Meniere's Disease. If effects every part of my life, including motor function and eye sight.
Being tired makes all of the above worse. I just cleaned a bunch of stalls and did my own usual chores.
I am 60 years old.
I am using an old computer that my Grandkids use at the house. The keys tend to stick.
So to recap: You are nitpicking at an older woman who has dyslexia, a chronic illness, who works very hard to keep up some sort of normalcy in her life. The way I move around in the world does not does not make me stupid. What do you do for an encore? Where you one of the Mean Girls in Jr High Or High School?
The Equine Fun Fact Of The Day : Horses cannot see three to four feet directly in front or behind themselves.
Thank You for enjoying the facts of horses. I love sharing something that I am very passionate in .
Teacher Terry
9-3-21, 6:32pm
I used to love riding horses when I was younger. Thanks for the fun facts:)).
Soooo Here's the gig on my grammar, punctuation etc, since you want to make a federal case of it.
I am dyslexic. I transpose numbers and letters all the time.
I am very well aware that I don't translate well on the internet/printed word.
I have Meniere's Disease. If effects every part of my life, including motor function and eye sight.
Being tired makes all of the above worse. I just cleaned a bunch of stalls and did my own usual chores.
I am 60 years old.
I am using an old computer that my Grandkids use at the house. The keys tend to stick.
So to recap: You are nitpicking at an older woman who has dyslexia, a chronic illness, who works very hard to keep up some sort of normalcy in her life. The way I move around in the world does not does not make me stupid. What do you do for an encore? Where you one of the Mean Girls in Jr High Or High School?
The Equine Fun Fact Of The Day : Horses cannot see three to four feet directly in front or behind themselves.
You don't owe her - or anyone else for that matter - an explanation! I really don't think anyone else cares about your grammar, punctuation etc, and I, for one, am glad you are here - posting and sharing fun facts!
Now it's my turn to ask what are your medical qualifications including CE in psychiatry that you feel you can diagnose me?
I would agree that it certainly doesn't seem to be the behavior of a mentally healthy person. It's definitely not the behavior of someone engaging in productive and meaningful conversations in a spirit of goodwill and friendship within our SLF community.
As someone who has often been asked to proofread resumes and professional process documents, I am entirely capable of nitpicking with the best of them. I refrain from the unsolicited picking apart of the words of others in an informal discussion forum because it is just plain obnoxious behavior.
Soooo Here's the gig on my grammar, punctuation etc, since you want to make a federal case of it.
I am dyslexic. I transpose numbers and letters all the time.
I am very well aware that I don't translate well on the internet/printed word.
I have Meniere's Disease. If effects every part of my life, including motor function and eye sight.
Being tired makes all of the above worse. I just cleaned a bunch of stalls and did my own usual chores.
I am 60 years old.
I am using an old computer that my Grandkids use at the house. The keys tend to stick.
So to recap: You are nitpicking at an older woman who has dyslexia, a chronic illness, who works very hard to keep up some sort of normalcy in her life. The way I move around in the world does not does not make me stupid. What do you do for an encore? Where you one of the Mean Girls in Jr High Or High School?
The Equine Fun Fact Of The Day : Horses cannot see three to four feet directly in front or behind themselves.
Federal should be capitalized.
I will not tell you "where" I went to high school. That is irrelevant.
Affects not effects is the correct word.
Eyesight is one word not two.
The correct phrase is " see ... in front of or behind" not "see ... front or behind".
Anytime you want another encore just ask. I love proofreading.
I love proofreading.
You seem to love being cruel to others on this Forum and driving them off.
Aren't you precious?
You seem to love being cruel to others on this Forum and driving them off.
Aren't you precious?
I don't think I would use the word "precious", but I think it is a huge credit to the other forum members here that - when she makes errors - everyone is being kind by not pointing them out and doing as she does, before she makes her corrections (when she actually catches her own mistakes, that is - LOL).
Its too bad you don't use that masters degree in English to make the world a better place.
You seem to love being cruel to others on this Forum and driving them off.
Aren't you precious?
If people dish it out I dish it back. And it's easy to remember who has attacked me because I put them on my ignore list. But if I think they might be after me again I can click on "View post" and respond.
I don't pick on people who haven't picked on me.
Its too bad you don't use that masters degree in English to make the world a better place.
You should have used "It's" not "Its".
I guess to you all the English teachers in the world are wasting their lives because grammar is irrelevant and everyone can just let it all hang out rather than taking pride in the way they communicate.
Maybe spell check and grammar check software should be outlawed as elitist.
I don't think I would use the word "precious", but I think it is a huge credit to the other forum members here that - when she makes errors - everyone is being kind by not pointing them out and doing as she does, before she makes her corrections (when she actually catches her own mistakes, that is - LOL).
I did have an error pointed out once rather gleefully. I go over my posts and check and correct them. That's why so many of them show as being edited.
You could use your words to uplift and encourage. But you choose not to. I agree with Rosa, unsolicited correction of others in a casual forum is obnoxious behavior.
You could use your words to uplift and encourage. But you choose not to. I agree with Rosa, unsolicited correction of others in a casual forum is obnoxious behavior.
Unsolicited attacks on other people because they disagree with you on public policy is also obnoxious. You can disagree with a person on an issue without calling them names, accusing them of working for Russia, swearing at them, saying they deserve to die, etc.
I am not the only person who has been insulted this way.
Its too bad you don't use that masters degree in English to make the world a better place.
Well, that Master of English has demonstrated previously they don't have a vaguely passing understanding of the origins and development of the English language. Odds are they don't comprehend Old English or even Middle English. Or anything before the Great Vowel Shift. Let's take bets on Norse, German, French comprehension...
But, yes, Master.
the Great Vowel Shift.
I've always found the Great Vowel Shift fascinating.. especially when my MIL would say "hoose" for "house"
And now I have learned something. Never having been a language scholar I had not even heard of the great vowel shift. The Wikipedia page about it has intrigued me enough to want to delve further. Thank you!
https://www.gq.com/story/inside-rand-pauls-neighborhood-fight
Rand Paul’s attacking neighbor is named Rene Boucher. This opinion piece tries to suss out why the neighbor was so angry at Senator Paul.it may have to do with lawn practices. It is true that some men take grass care very seriously, enough to cause major injury to their neighbor, especially if they are easily angered and perhaps a little crazy.
“…At Hilligans, a popular sports bar by the campus of Western Kentucky University, the same woman who told me about Boucher's fussiness toward his yard also called him a "hothead" and suggested he may have a sort of "little man's syndrome."
"He gets really stuck in his own head, and he's known for his temper," she said. At the same time, "Rand Paul's not the most-liked man in Bowling Green," she confided.”
“…Later, at the mention of Boucher, an older man pointed to his temple to indicate that Boucher is nuts, while his wife protested that she knows Boucher better and that he's "just different, that's all."
as an aside, this is the description of their physical stature:”…an acquaintance of the two men estimates that they both stand five-foot-six and weigh about 140 pounds…
In the end I assert:
1. you didnt “upset” me. That is silly
2. Rand Paul was seriously hurt from an illegal attack by his neighbor. He has ongoing physical problems from that attack. The attack was WRONG. His neighbor justifiably served 7 months in jail and will pay $580,000 won in a civil suit
3. I am not surprised that you can’t simply admit #2…you should be able to simply say it was wrong.
I can, for instance, say that Rand Paul’s support of Donald Trump on some of Donald’s ridiculous and harmful positions very much annoyed me. That doesnt mean I completely dislike senator Paul and his politics.
I can’t help but think a reasonable person of your political persuasion could say Boucher’s attack on
senator Paul was obviously WRONG while continuing to dislike Senator Paul and his positions. That you can’t make this simple declaration says much about you.
Fine.I’ll trust gossip obtained from people in a local pub as an accurate assessment of the guy even though it’s just as likely that they are friends of rand’s who wanted to smear Rene. You’re right, Rene shouldn’t have attacked him. Although if he really was a known hothead then egging him on was probably not the smartest behavior on rand’s part unless the goal was to become a living martyr. At least Rene didn’t have, or at least use, a gun. If he had Rand might have fared far worse.
But Rand still shouldn’t be posting lies about the effectiveness of masks on YouTube. He knows better. As an eye surgeon I am fairly certain that dr paul has worn a mask every time he has entered an operating room because he understands that they limit the spread of germs from the wearer to those around them.
But Rand still shouldn’t be posting lies about the effectiveness of masks on YouTube. He knows better. As an eye surgeon I am fairly certain that dr paul has worn a mask every time he has entered an operating room because he understands that they limit the spread of germs from the wearer to those around them.
There are different kinds of germs. Would you go around an Ebola patient wearing a cloth mask and feel protected?
Covid particles are small.
The physician on my local Board of Health told me masks are only 20% effective against covid, but would not remove the mask mandate as he wants layers of protection. Interestingly his specialty has nothing to do with either public health or infectious disease. I think he was picked because it is an unpaid position and he would do it for free.
His own mask kept slipping under his nose when he spoke and he kept tugging it up again. He made no reference to stopping respiratory particles breathed out of the nose, saying only that the mask stopped saliva. The way he wore his mask comported with that understanding, that all the risk is in the mouth not the nose.
Federal should be capitalized.
I will not tell you "where" I went to high school. That is irrelevant.
Affects not effects is the correct word.
Eyesight is one word not two.
The correct phrase is " see ... in front of or behind" not "see ... front or behind".
Anytime you want another encore just ask. I love proofreading.
Gee comprehension is not your strong spot. I never asked you where you went to school. I asked you if you were a Mean Girl back in the day.
The Equine Fun Fact Of The Day: The US Government is the biggest horse breeder and owner in the US.
I used to love riding horses when I was younger. Thanks for the fun facts:)).
You are welcome. I enjoy trotting them out and sharing them ( pun intended)
Looks like you live in Nevada. I am planning on competing at a horse show in Vegas in early October.
ApatheticNoMore
9-3-21, 10:43pm
Oh but apparently it's a school where a great deal of grammar was taught, or something.
I went to schools where the high school French teacher (eh I took French) was amazed that none of us knew any grammar when it came time to conjugate verbs and stuff. But it wasn't part of the public school K-12 curriculum anyway, to teach English grammar, nor were we that great at conjugating verbs obviously :laff:. At least it wasn't the photography teacher who a few weeks in was: "you people have no interest and learning photography and are lazy, I'm done with teaching for this semester", and I did my algebra homework in photography class from then on, as the teacher wasn't going to teach anymore but collected a paycheck. I picked up a decent understanding of French in France after HS, but that was long ago.
The Equine Fun Fact Of The Day: The US Government is the biggest horse breeder and owner in the US.
What for? The pony express is long since ended…
What for? The pony express is long since ended…
The wild / feral horses that are on Federal land. There are owned by the Government and managed by the Bureau Of Land management ( BLM). https://www.blm.gov/programs/wild-horse-and-burro/about-the-program/program-data
"Three schools in Vancouver, Washington, were placed in lockdown Friday after anti-mask protesters tried to access school grounds. A spokesperson said the lockdowns were a safety precaution."
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/anti-mask-protests-force-3-washington-state-schools-into-lockdown/
Gee comprehension is not your strong spot. I never asked you where you went to school. I asked you if you were a Mean Girl back in the day.
The Equine Fun Fact Of The Day: The US Government is the biggest horse breeder and owner in the US.
This is why using the correct word is important. Don't use "where" if you mean "were".
You are welcome. I enjoy trotting them out and sharing them ( pun intended)
Looks like you live in Nevada. I am planning on competing at a horse show in Vegas in early October.
There should not be a space after the start parenthesis, just as there is not a space before the end parenthesis. The parentheses do not obviate the need for a period at the end of the sentence.
The wild / feral horses that are on Federal land. There are owned by the Government and managed by the Bureau Of Land management ( BLM). https://www.blm.gov/programs/wild-horse-and-burro/about-the-program/program-data
Here's that annoying space after the start parenthesis again. You say your errors are due to things like being tired from cleaning horse stalls, but when it is the same error repeatedly rather than random errors it does appear to be ignorance of the rules of punctuation.
People educated me on the modern use of them/they/their and I didn't insinuate they were mean. I appreciated the feedback.
Odds are they don't comprehend Old English or even Middle English. Or anything before the Great Vowel Shift.
But, yes, Master.
I might not have an ATM card, but even I am not that stuck in the past.
"Three schools in Vancouver, Washington, were placed in lockdown Friday after anti-mask protesters tried to access school grounds. A spokesperson said the lockdowns were a safety precaution."
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/anti-mask-protests-force-3-washington-state-schools-into-lockdown/
My city is conducting vaccine clinics at schools in the evening and I assume these are open to anyone who wants to get a shot. I have thought of going there and letting people know if they get vaccinated it won't get their life back to normal, they will still have to wear a mask. Since it's in the evening it would not be disrupting classes. But I'm not there yet. Instead I emailed the mayor and city council requesting they remove and replace the current Board of Health as an interim measure until I can hopefully get the structure of the Board changed which is a longer process.
The value of the "ignore" function on this forum has just been proven.
My city is conducting vaccine clinics at schools in the evening and I assume these are open to anyone who wants to get a shot. I have thought of going there and letting people know if they get vaccinated it won't get their life back to normal, they will still have to wear a mask. Since it's in the evening it would not be disrupting classes. But I'm not there yet. Instead I emailed the mayor and city council requesting they remove and replace the current Board of Health as an interim measure until I can hopefully get the structure of the Board changed which is a longer process.
You might want to seek help for your OCD. It’s obviously making you very unhappy.
You might want to seek help for your OCD. It’s obviously making you very unhappy.
When I complained it was hard for me to breathe wearing the mask and I almost passed out the Health Director had three choices:
1. Try to repeal the mask mandate.
2. Express compassion, let me know that my experience qualifies as a medical exception (no doctor's note needed per the ordinance), and offer to let the library know or give me a letter that I would not need to wear a mask there. Note if I really do have a psychological issue like OCD this also qualifies, as schoolchildren with behavioral issues are exempted from the mandate.
3. Double down on the mask mandate (even while he took off his own mask in city hall the night of our meeting so he could be more clearly heard on his cell phone).
He chose #3.
Have you even tried any of the suggestions made to you such as the 2 I made of trying a surgical mask or getting the contraption that holds a cloth mask away from your face? Wouldn't that be an easier endeavor than the quixotic attempt to overturn public health requirements?
Have you even tried any of the suggestions made to you such as the 2 I made of trying a surgical mask or getting the contraption that holds a cloth mask away from your face? Wouldn't that be an easier endeavor than the quixotic attempt to overturn public health requirements?
I have tried a variety of masks including the KN95. The medical grade masks were even worse.
Not only did the Health Director not care about me (he is probably mad from all the times over the years I reported that the trash, recycling and yard waste are not picked up) but he showed no compassion towards the library employees working 8 hours a day in stifling conditions.
During the BOH meeting I repeatedly grabbed the mask and held it away from my face letting a gap of air get in so I could breathe. Masks are just horrible and disgusting like burkas are.
flowerseverywhere
9-4-21, 11:08am
Well, that Master of English has demonstrated previously they don't have a vaguely passing understanding of the origins and development of the English language. Odds are they don't comprehend Old English or even Middle English. Or anything before the Great Vowel Shift. Let's take bets on Norse, German, French comprehension...
But, yes, Master.
what a fascinating subject. Thanks for posting. Now back to the same (approaching two year) argument.
I typed up a letter to the ACLU of Massachusetts asking if they can help me get my rights back. I will mail it sometime this three day weekend when I go to the grocery store.
I typed up a letter to the ACLU of Massachusetts asking if they can help me get my rights back. I will mail it sometime this three day weekend when I go to the grocery store.
It would be a whole lot easier to just move to Florida or any of the other pro-virus states.
It would be a whole lot easier to just move to Florida or any of the other pro-virus states.
No one is pro virus, just like no one is pro abortion.
If I give up that reinforces moral hazard - that everyone must bear the costs and restrictions of the anti-vaxxers rather than them being made to bear responsibility for their choices.
I do look at houses elsewhere, both in less restrictive communities in Mass and in New Hampshire and some towns in Vermont that are not restrictive. But the market is so crazy now. I could sell my house but then be unable to buy another one because I keep getting outbid. Things need to calm down a little.
Chicago Public Schools let parents know on Friday that if their unvaxxed kids travel this weekend, they will have to isolate at home when they return. The problem a lot of people have is that they announced this Friday. Earlier in the week would have been better.
Here is a cute house I saw, but I am not a fan of private water and a septic system that is only 1000 gallons.
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/51-Route-202_Rindge_NH_03461_M91576-42349
It would be good for when I get old because it's all one story.
New Hampshire is the live free or die state.
ETA scroll down on this link and you see their library's very reasonable covid policies:
https://www.ingallslibrary.com/
Teacher Terry
9-4-21, 12:37pm
Boss mare, unfortunately I live in Reno because going would be fun.
No one is pro virus, just like no one is pro abortion.
Any governor trying to prevent local school districts from taking the necessary steps to keep the students and communities safe is absolutely 100% pro-virus.
Any governor trying to prevent local school districts from taking the necessary steps to keep the students and communities safe is absolutely 100% pro-virus.
The students are free to wear masks if they wish, or face shields, or anything else, or to homeschool.
The students are free to wear masks if they wish, or face shields, or anything else, or to homeschool.
So the Freedom to potentially infect others trumps the freedom to safely send one’s kids to school?
So the Freedom to potentially infect others trumps the freedom to safely send one’s kids to school?
Your thinking is out of date. At one point we were told masks only protect other people, which flies in the face of common sense. Now in one of their many about faces the CDC admits mask wearing protects the mask wearer. This has long been the understanding with other diseases. I remember a pre-covid episode of 90 Day Fiance in which the immune compromised American dons masks before flying to and from Australia to protect herself, as just one example.
It’s not either/or. Masks work both ways.
Telehealth appointments/sessions for mental health issues have become quite available and popular during the recent pandemic, just sayin'...
gimmethesimplelife
9-4-21, 4:35pm
It is so strange for me to see conflict on this board that I am 100 percent not a part of.....just sayin,. Rob
It is so strange for me to see conflict on this board that I am 100 percent not a part of.....just sayin,. Rob
Well, you did initially start this thread…
Telehealth appointments/sessions for mental health issues have become quite available and popular during the recent pandemic, just sayin'...
Do they work for delusions of grandeur such as I know so much about so many obscure subjects and languages that I am smarter than everyone else, I am such a great first responder and people just don't appreciate me so I'm not going to respond when I'm called to emergencies, I have hobnobbed with so many famous people whose names I drop that I must be really important, I am so far above other mere mortals and all my opinions and only my opinions are correct, etc?
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You tell us.
You tell us.
Not originally posted by me. Moderators please remove Bae's post faking a post by me.
gimmethesimplelife
9-4-21, 5:05pm
Well, you did initially start this thread…True that. I guess I am indirectly a part of the conflict.....indirect is as far as I care to go, though. Rob
Not originally posted by me. Moderators please remove Bae's post faking a post by me.
I simply quoted the relevant part from your post. It has something to do with Latin.
https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/171207
True that. I guess I am indirectly a part of the conflict.....indirect is as far as I care to go, though. Rob
Not really. You cannot control the postings and rantings of others. As is evident throughout this forum, Yppej has turned almost every thread into rantings against maskings, mandates requiring masking, etc. - regardless of the original topic. Yes, threads can progress from topic to topic, but it is evident that she seems fixated on this theme, so no thread is safe. LOL.
You are fine, Rob.
You are fine, Rob.
Until Yppej decides to try to count coup on Rob too. That day will come.
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ApatheticNoMore
9-4-21, 5:21pm
Do they work for delusions of grandeur such as I know so much about so many obscure subjects and languages that I am smarter than everyone else,
like grammar?
like grammar?
No. Everyone learned grammar in school if they were paying attention. Old English and Norse are another story.
Do they work for delusions of grandeur such as I know so much about so many obscure subjects and languages that I am smarter than everyone else, I am such a great first responder and people just don't appreciate me so I'm not going to respond when I'm called to emergencies, I have hobnobbed with so many famous people whose names I drop that I must be really important, I am so far above other mere mortals and all my opinions and only my opinions are correct, etc?
Bae has never said I am a great first responder or I know so much or I must be really important- that is your own insecurity talking. You know you could do things that would be worthy of "bragging about" too. All you have to do is to decide to use your tenacity and passion for good. You certainly have the time.
Bae has never said I am a great first responder or I know so much or I must be really important- that is your own insecurity talking. You know you could do things that would be worthy of "bragging about" too. All you have to do is to decide to use your tenacity and passion for good. You certainly have the time.
I am very familiar with his posts and I have no desire to emulate them. I am not a braggart. I also have no desire to manipulate the reply with quote feature by deleting the quoted material and inserting something else to create a fake post. That is dishonest and despicable.
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"Richard Nixon is a no good, lying bastard. He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he'd lie just to keep his hand in." Harry S. Truman
"Richard Nixon is a no good, lying bastard. He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he'd lie just to keep his hand in." Harry S. Truman
Moderator!!
Moderator!!
I reluctantly changed the "Originally Posted By" source on two posts. I say reluctantly because I remember some years ago a moderator (Loosechickens) on the original site banned a current site poster for a week for allegedly changing one of her posts in the same manner. I stood up for that poster under the guise that obvious satire should not be a banning event and was nearly banned myself (again) in retaliation.
I recall those days in a bad light and really wish we wouldn't duplicate them.
If people dish it out I dish it back.
Moderator!!
ROFLOL!
So, here I have responded to TWO of your posts in one fell swoop (go ahead and brag about that in some "I told you so" way - LOL).
Sorry... sort of.
Back to not responding to you, but, again, I really do pray for you and really hope you can find some peace and happiness.
I recall those days in a bad light and really wish we wouldn't duplicate them.
I have nothing but respect and appreciation for what all you moderators do, but, in my opinion, that ship has sailed.
True that. I guess I am indirectly a part of the conflict.....indirect is as far as I care to go, though. Rob
Yes, I should have put a snarl tag on my post…
ApatheticNoMore
9-5-21, 2:12am
No. Everyone learned grammar in school if they were paying attention. Old English and Norse are another story.
But like I said it was never taught in school beyond some minimal punctuation and capitalization and how to identify nouns, verbs, adjectives, and adverbs. I tested into the gifted program in 3rd grade when asked to take the test by a teacher. So I was in the gifted program since 3rd grade and AP courses in high school, including AP English, are we so sure I was a terrible student?
It was no more taught than Old English and Norse, so those actually are valid comparisons, besides being incredibly funny.
Grammar was minimal in elementary and high school. Much of my grammar was learned in my German classes in college, where the professor used the German terms and I had no idea what the English equivalents were. I had never heard of the word pluperfect for example, although I had certainly used that tense correctly. I never heard of dative or generative either, just a couple of examples.
flowerseverywhere
9-5-21, 5:40am
I reluctantly changed the "Originally Posted By" source on two posts. I say reluctantly because I remember some years ago a moderator (Loosechickens) on the original site banned a current site poster for a week for allegedly changing one of her posts in the same manner. I stood up for that poster under the guise that obvious satire should not be a banning event and was nearly banned myself (again) in retaliation.
I recall those days in a bad light and really wish we wouldn't duplicate them.
it saddens me you have to deal with this. No clear winners come out of this. Perhaps modeling the uncivil behavior that has become commonplace in all of society can explain the exodus of many valuable contributors to these forums.
iris lilies
9-5-21, 7:20am
I have nothing but respect and appreciation for what all you moderators do, but, in my opinion, that ship has sailed.
What does this mean? What ship has sailed?
There is no over moderation ship here. There might be an “under-moderation” ship, if that is what you mean. I am ok with that even though I have seen one relentless poster kill a forum. Granted, the forum was on its last legs. It was a weird forum death because this poster was preternaturally happy and upbeat but was laser focused on one thing: showing pictures of his dog. It was a dog forum, but 1/3 of the posts were links to photos of his dog, badly photoshopped photos with stupid poems or sayings.
What does this mean? What ship has sailed?
There is no over moderation ship here. There might be an “under-moderation” ship, if that is what you mean. I am ok with that even though I have seen one relentless poster kill a forum. Granted, the forum was on its last legs. It was a weird forum death because this poster was preternaturally happy and upbeat but was laser focused on one thing: showing pictures of his dog. It was a dog forum, but 1/3 of the posts were links to photos of his dog, badly photoshopped photos with stupid poems or sayings.
My reference wasn't so much towards the moderation but towards the recalling of bad days and not wishing a repeat of them. I can see how my response was confusing - sorry.
Saw all the employees were wearing masks at the supermarket and the manager said it was a corporate mandate. Emailed their corporate office that this sends the message vaccines don't work and there is no advantage to getting vaccinated, and telling them in a tight labor market this will cost them applicants.
ApatheticNoMore
9-5-21, 12:37pm
I have to say the public health authorities here pretty much NEVER said "wear a mask". That was not their advice. Their advice was "wear a face covering". Everyone seemed to use the term mask and they could only bring themselves to say "face covering". "Face covering" this, "face covering" that.
So it was wear a bandana, tie a t-shirt around your face, whatever, according to the advice public health gave. "Face covering", what even is that, why can't they speak in the language everyone else uses? They come across like people (excuse me I mean peoplex) on twitter convinced the ungendered term folks is gendered, only noone even knows why. Now I don't know that I ever saw a t-shirt, saw some bandanas, stayed even further away from those people!!! (and I was distancing from people anyway)
Reached out to a Libertarian candidate in the area who opposes mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and shutdowns and who cares about deficits. Iris Lilies you are not the only one onto that issue.
Saw all the employees were wearing masks at the supermarket and the manager said it was a corporate mandate. Emailed their corporate office that this sends the message vaccines don't work and there is no advantage to getting vaccinated, and telling them in a tight labor market this will cost them applicants.
Even in a tight labor market, I would be reluctant to hire applicants challenged enough to draw that conclusion.
Saw all the employees were wearing masks at the supermarket and the manager said it was a corporate mandate. Emailed their corporate office that this sends the message vaccines don't work and there is no advantage to getting vaccinated, and telling them in a tight labor market this will cost them applicants.
Our local market workers *asked* that management impose mask requirements for customers and workers. The management went along with their wishes. I doubt anyone would work there, here, now, without such protection.
Probably because they have a clue or two about the situation.
Even in a tight labor market, I would be reluctant to hire applicants challenged enough to draw that conclusion.
These are separate assertions of mine.
First, the fact that vaccines were supposed to let life get back to normal but that hasn't happened due to big government sends a message to everyone in society not just employees that is a disincentive to vaccination.
The second and separate assertion is that having to wear a mask 8 hours a day is a disincentive to employment. There are currently 10 million job openings but only 8.5 million unemployed people. Front line worker positions are the hardest to fill. Would you want to stand on your feet all day wearing a mask for low wages?
Our local market workers *asked* that management impose mask requirements for customers and workers. The management went along with their wishes. I doubt anyone would work there, here, now, without such protection.
Probably because they have a clue or two about the situation.
My boss asked me the other day if I wanted to go to a conference in Dallas next month. I told him I would pass.
Our local market workers *asked* that management impose mask requirements for customers and workers. The management went along with their wishes. I doubt anyone would work there, here, now, without such protection.
Probably because they have a clue or two about the situation.
Masks are only 20% effective. If they were really clued in they'd be asking that the store go to curbside pickup only.
I am thankful that I do not have to make a work decision about either Texas, Florida, or many of the southern states (am retired). I have written them off for probably a long time. Told hubby that Texas will never see a $$ from me.
I am thankful that I do not have to make a work decision about either Texas, Florida, or many of the southern states (am retired). I have written them off for probably a long time. Told hubby that Texas will never see a $$ from me.
I'm feeling the same way. After over a million miles of business travel, I'm ready to be more selective about the places I travel to.
I am very familiar with his posts and I have no desire to emulate them. I am not a braggart. I also have no desire to manipulate the reply with quote feature by deleting the quoted material and inserting something else to create a fake post. That is dishonest and despicable.
Ohhhh But you are a braggart... All that fancy talk on how superior your grammar, punctuation and spelling is :|(
The mu variant originating in Colombia and Ecuador is on the move. This news has been around for about a week now with warnings from the World Health Organization. But the US has not shut its borders and now that variant has been found in Houston.
The lambda variant is coming from Peru.
This reinforces a point that I have made - that variants come from areas where most people are unvaccinated, not from vaccinated people in the US who don't wear masks, and that global vaccine equity matters.
I have not heard from the Libertarian candidate.
To try to make the change in the city charter I would like I would need to gather 3,400+ signatures. I could do it, but it would take up all my free time. If I lived in a town instead of a city I would only need 10 signatures, one of which could be my own.
This is definitely making me think if I ever move that I want to move to a town and not another city.
Rechecked the libraries near my work or home I have as alternates and 17 of the 18 on the list I came up with last week still allow maskless people in, including my favorite on the list. So that is encouraging.
The city solicitor asked me to send him some stats on covid and I got those off to him. He said even if I get the signatures on my petition the city council will vote it down. I think he is right because they are afraid to rock the boat, civil liberties be damned. So he said the thing to do is to try to amass data to convince the Board of Health. I am skeptical it will work but I will give it a shot. I also sent him a link to an article that says if a person is in quarantine they shouldn't be allowed around their pets and suggested the Board of Health should get on that, and also require service animals in city hall to be masked, if they think quarantines and masks are the way to go.
Local new had these figures from UCHealth from a week or so ago. What ever common news sources I get promote certain numbers showing how much less risk there is for vaccinated people, but I don't see many recent specifics on actual breakthroughs or categorization by age or time since vaccinations. There are some things out there but at least for me has required some digging. There was a footnote after the numbers saying most of the breakthroughs with more serious conditions are people with weakened immunity from other health problems, such as cancer or organ transplant. I have wondered if the break though issues are soft sold to encourage people to get vaccinated. It doesn't seem like a free ride totally without risk at least.
263 patients hospitalized with COVID-19
- 216 are not vaccinated
- 47 are vaccinated
100 of those patients are in the ICU
- 85 are not vaccinated
- 15 are vaccinated
74 of those patients are on ventilators
- 67 are not vaccinated
- 7 are vaccinated
happystuff
9-11-21, 1:33pm
Local new had these figures from UCHealth from a week or so ago. What ever common news sources I get promote certain numbers showing how much less risk there is for vaccinated people, but I don't see many recent specifics on actual breakthroughs or categorization by age or time since vaccinations. There are some things out there but at least for me has required some digging. There was a footnote after the numbers saying most of the breakthroughs with more serious conditions are people with weakened immunity from other health problems, such as cancer or organ transplant. I have wondered if the break though issues are soft sold to encourage people to get vaccinated. It doesn't seem like a free ride totally without risk at least.
263 patients hospitalized with COVID-19
- 216 are not vaccinated
- 47 are vaccinated
100 of those patients are in the ICU
- 85 are not vaccinated
- 15 are vaccinated
74 of those patients are on ventilators
- 67 are not vaccinated
- 7 are vaccinated
Wow! I would have hoped being vaccinated would have kept the seriousness at bay, but, personally, I think those are high numbers re: the vaccinated! I'll keep up with ALL my preventive measures, thank you very much!
I often wonder how accurate these diagnoses are. If you are the hospital they test you for covid and if you test positive do they automatically record you as a hospitalized covid case even if you are in there for something else?
I had a coworker whose father died of old age and the medical examiner was forced to change his cause of death to covid because there was covid in the facility he was in, though he himself was never tested for it. This was in spring 2020.
If we tested all Americans we would probably have tens of millions of cases among the asymptomatic. And if published that would throw the media into a feeding frenzy.
The Libertarian candidate came to my house. We chatted and he will attend the next Board of Health meeting to back me up.
Meanwhile my brother is after the BOH in his town for making him, a vaccinated person, wear a mask. He is considering taping his vaccine card to his forehead and pointing to it if someone tells him he should wear a mask.
iris lilies
9-11-21, 3:43pm
I don’t have any reason to go to Texas again haven’t been there a couple of times. But I likely will have to go to Florida about a year from now for a flower so training event unless I can find one closer.
A year from now everyone in Florida will either be vaccinated, recovered, or dead.
A year from now everyone in Florida will either be vaccinated, recovered, or dead.
No. You left out naturally immune because they had or have the virus in their system but they never got sick from it so they are not recovered.
happystuff
9-11-21, 5:20pm
What I don't like about this virus, especially at this point in time (a transitional time, in my opinion) is that vaccinated people and/or those who believe they have immunity because they have had the virus, are still only thinking of themselves. Some of them are not thinking about passing this virus on to others. It has been shown that those who have been vaccinated can still carry, pass on and get covid in one iteration or another. To use ALL of the suggested precautions is one way for these selfish people to protect themselves - and may inadvertently protect others.
No. You left out naturally immune because they had or have the virus in their system but they never got sick from it so they are not recovered.
We don’t know about the delta variant but last fall there was a strain that went through a town in Brazil that infected a lot of people a second time. The people who have had delta may end up being immune forever or for a long time or for a few months. At this point we just don’t know. But thankfully we have lots of people in states like florida amd Texas who are valiantly risking their lives to be part of the study where we find out how long immunity lasts after delta infection.
What I don't like about this virus, especially at this point in time (a transitional time, in my opinion) is that vaccinated people and/or those who believe they have immunity because they have had the virus, are still only thinking of themselves. Some of them are not thinking about passing this virus on to others. It has been shown that those who have been vaccinated can still carry, pass on and get covid in one iteration or another. To use ALL of the suggested precautions is one way for these selfish people to protect themselves - and may inadvertently protect others.
True. But as everyone here knows there’s a subset of the vaccinated who only got vaccinated because they have an extreme hatred of masks and looked to the vaccination as a savior from the overwhelming horror of having to wear them.
happystuff
9-11-21, 6:07pm
True. But as everyone here knows there’s a subset of the vaccinated who only got vaccinated because they have an extreme hatred of masks and looked to the vaccination as a savior from the overwhelming horror of having to wear them.
Hopefully, they will not succumb to catching (or passing on!) covid or any of the variants because of hatred to wearing a simple protective covering for limited periods of time... and practicing other simple protective behaviors, that definitely protect themselves primarily, regardless of whether or not they care about others!
I do not believe the scientists have said that the vaccine will keep you from becoming infected or passing on the virus. It helps to prevent the illness from developing into a serious illness and to help keep you out of the hospital. The UK was hoping to save their hospital system which we have apparently written off.
happystuff
9-11-21, 6:29pm
I do not believe the scientists have said that the vaccine will keep you from becoming infected or passing on the virus. It helps to prevent the illness from developing into a serious illness and to help keep you out of the hospital. The UK was hoping to save their hospital system which we have apparently written off.
Exactly, but some folks don't seem to believe that. They feel the vaccine is their "free pass" to a "normal" that may not be the same normal any more.
ApatheticNoMore
9-11-21, 6:44pm
Anyway who isolated from all human contact from the pandemic (and I did pretty much except bf) and doesn't anymore is behaving more "normal" than they were before.
happystuff
9-11-21, 6:51pm
Anyway who isolated from all human contact from the pandemic (and I did pretty much except bf) and doesn't anymore is behaving more "normal" than they were before.
I agree. I now go shopping, I see friends, I go to the library, the doctor, the dentist, etc. I wear a mask for the necessary amount of time, I social distance as much as possible, and I wash my hands often and even follow the masking rules at work. I get to resume all these things while protecting myself and others.
Edited to add: That has/does include wearing a mask for 8 hours a day at work - doable! I feel sorry for the folks who are living their lives "what if" instead of focusing on getting through all of this. Will masking, social distancing, etc. be a forever thing? I don't believe so. But until then, I can and will do what I can to continue to protect myself and others. And continue to pray for those who are having such a hard time with all of this.
wearing a simple protective covering for limited periods of time
It's not limited. It's neither limited within a single day as many now have to wear a mask for 8 hours a day or more on the job. I will have to when I have jury duty because my doctor's office left me a message they won't write me an excuse.
It's also not limited in duration. We are in the second year of this now and my local Board of Health says even if cases drop they will keep the mandate in place until 80% of people are vaccinated. That will never happen with a third of the population are anti-vax.
The people saying it is limited are retired, or work from home (or chose a profession where masking could be expected which is on them). They only mask up when running brief errands. From their mask lite privileged perch they criticize everyone else.
I watched part of the Boston mayoral debate until I just couldn't take it anymore. The poor moderator was asking questions like once kids get the vaccine can the mask mandate be dropped? What if the state drops its mandate? What if we get past delta and no one is getting sick? Will masks ever go away?
And before the first day of school had even started every single candidate was saying the mandate will stay in place the entire school year irregardless of the facts and public health recommendations. Then all the underdogs started attacking the one ahead in the polls because she said she is making long-range plans for the schools and they said all the focus should be on the short term. These are the sorts of bozos running the show. People who believe planning is bad and just slavishly follow the herd with covid paranoia.
True. But as everyone here knows there’s a subset of the vaccinated who only got vaccinated because they have an extreme hatred of masks and looked to the vaccination as a savior from the overwhelming horror of having to wear them.
True that. The only people I know who think it's fair for vaccinated people to have to wear masks are in these forums. In real life everyone thinks like I do, including my relatives who work in health care.
ETA We are furious at a government punishing everyone because they are afraid to take on anti-vaxxers and ask them for proof of vaccination. They are taking the easy and lazy way out and lying and saying the reason is vaccinated people can still infect someone. It's very rare because the viral loads are very different. And even if we infect them so what? They could have gotten the shot.
frugal-one
9-11-21, 7:25pm
[QUOTE=Yppej;391296]It's not limited. It's neither limited within a single day as many now have to wear a mask for 8 hours a day or more on the job. I will have to when I have jury duty because my doctor's office left me a message they won't write me an excuse.
Glad to hear it. Talk about wanting special privileges.
eta ... Opened her response by mistake. Will be more careful to avoid this type of ....
[QUOTE=Yppej;391296]It's not limited. It's neither limited within a single day as many now have to wear a mask for 8 hours a day or more on the job. I will have to when I have jury duty because my doctor's office left me a message they won't write me an excuse.
Glad to hear it. Talk about wanting special privileges.
eta ... Opened her response by mistake. Will be more careful to avoid this type of ....
Or you could just delete your response unless, to quote Eminem, "it feels so empty without me".
happystuff
9-11-21, 7:44pm
Glad to hear it. Talk about wanting special privileges.
eta ... Opened her response by mistake. Will be more careful to avoid this type of ....
I think that some people deserve special privileges, but there are others who are just angry and self-involved. Makes me appreciate this quote:
“I started learning how to not be so angry about things, learning how to count my f—ing blessings instead. By doing that, I’ve become a happier person, instead of all this self-loathing I was doing for a while.” – Eminem
It’s understandable that people in government who are actually concerned about public health aren’t predicting if or when we can all burn our masks. That mistake got made at the beginning of the summer. Intelligent people don’t make the same mistake twice. Or, if it wasn’t their mistake they learn from others’ mistakes.
It’s understandable that people in government who are actually concerned about public health aren’t predicting if or when we can all burn our masks. That mistake got made at the beginning of the summer. Intelligent people don’t make the same mistake twice. Or, if it wasn’t their mistake they learn from others’ mistakes.
There's a difference between not predicting when a mandate will end and saying a mandate will continue for 9 and a half months regardless of the facts.
It’s understandable that people in government who are actually concerned about public health aren’t predicting if or when we can all burn our masks. That mistake got made at the beginning of the summer. Intelligent people don’t make the same mistake twice. Or, if it wasn’t their mistake they learn from others’ mistakes.
The mandate ended in the beginning of the summer because the governor of Utah pointed out to Biden there was no incentive to get vaccinated since vaccinated people still had to wear masks.
So according to your logic the government officials are stupid because they are making the same mistake a second time of putting mask mandates in place that disincentivize vaccination. Maybe the governor of Utah needs to remind them again as they have lost all common sense.
ToomuchStuff
9-11-21, 9:34pm
It's not limited. It's neither limited within a single day as many now have to wear a mask for 8 hours a day or more on the job. I will have to when I have jury duty because my doctor's office left me a message they won't write me an excuse.
24 minus 8, is not limited?
I was called last month for Jury duty. You need to see if your notice has a call a day before showing. At least locally, they are trying to limit people's exposure and are delaying/settling, etc. All Jurors for that day were released the day before. This releases me for three years.
A doctor is required to state a valid medical reason, under oath. You might try a psychologist or psychiatrist and see if they could provide a note.
24 minus 8, is not limited?
It's half your waking hours.
Work is a big chunk of people's days. If it were incidental most wouldn't retire but would keep working for the additional purchasing power, but it's significant. It's so large a chunk of time that some countries like France have reduced the normal work week to under 40 hours.
ApatheticNoMore
9-12-21, 12:10am
I actually never encounter these furious at government over masks people in my actual life. Only on these forums. A bit annoyed we still have mask requirements for many things yes.
I think that some people deserve special privileges, but there are others who are just angry and self-involved. Makes me appreciate this quote:
“I started learning how to not be so angry about things, learning how to count my f—ing blessings instead. By doing that, I’ve become a happier person, instead of all this self-loathing I was doing for a while.” – Eminem
You can have righteous indignation that is not self-loathing.
Here's another song reference:
"Get up, stand up.
Stand up for your rights.
Get up, stand up
Don't give up the fight."
Sung by Bob Marley
The mandate ended in the beginning of the summer because the governor of Utah pointed out to Biden there was no incentive to get vaccinated since vaccinated people still had to wear masks.
So according to your logic the government officials are stupid because they are making the same mistake a second time of putting mask mandates in place that disincentivize vaccination. Maybe the governor of Utah needs to remind them again as they have lost all common sense.
I guess for some people not dying isn’t a good enough reason.
Reminds me of a song. https://youtu.be/8L6KGuTr9TI
NPR had an article today that reinforced what I was thinking in an earlier post. That there has been a lot of effort to emphasize the risk of being unvaccinated, but the information on breakthroughs is insufficient. I actually consider it a failure of the institutions who track data to help with decisions among us vaccinated folk.
The article is called, "I got a mild breakthrough case. Here's what I wish I'd known." The article explains how the delta variant has changed the ballgame for breakthrough infections, and that the risk of symptomatic infection seems higher than common media information. One of the academic experts called our data analysis "shoddy", and much of what we know comes from other countries. They do say that the risk of being sent to the hospital is very rare, but the gaps in formation is a little disturbing.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/12/1036356773/i-got-a-mild-breakthrough-case-heres-what-i-wish-id-known
NPR had an article today that reinforced what I was thinking in an earlier post. That there has been a lot of effort to emphasize the risk of being unvaccinated, but the information on breakthroughs is insufficient. I actually consider it a failure of the institutions who track data to help with decisions among us vaccinated folk.
The article is called, "I got a mild breakthrough case. Here's what I wish I'd known." The article explains how the delta variant has changed the ballgame for breakthrough infections, and that the risk of symptomatic infection seems higher than common media information. One of the academic experts called our data analysis "shoddy", and much of what we know comes from other countries. They do say that the risk of being sent to the hospital is very rare, but the gaps in formation is a little disturbing.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/12/1036356773/i-got-a-mild-breakthrough-case-heres-what-i-wish-id-known
I read the article and I am willing to risk a case like the author had rather than wear a mask the rest of my life.
It should be my choice.
I guess for some people not dying isn’t a good enough reason.
Some people would rather risk death than let the government tell them what to do.
Reminds me of a saying - "Today is a good day to die."
And another one - "Give me liberty or give me death."
Or "Live free or die."
ApatheticNoMore
9-12-21, 12:41pm
And yet they probably let their boss tell them what to do all day long. I call such people ridiculous fools.
I mean I understand feeling suicidal "today is a good day to die", I don't think people with suicide ideation are ridiculous fools. I think they are suffering, that is all.
I wouldn't call either Crazy Horse or Low Dog suicidal.
ApatheticNoMore
9-12-21, 12:54pm
And you are going to appropriate that for "white people whine about masks"
frugal-one
9-12-21, 12:55pm
I think that some people deserve special privileges, but there are others who are just angry and self-involved. Makes me appreciate this quote:
“I started learning how to not be so angry about things, learning how to count my f—ing blessings instead. By doing that, I’ve become a happier person, instead of all this self-loathing I was doing for a while.” – Eminem
Good quote...
And you are going to appropriate that for "white people whine about masks"
The context is anti-vaxers not wanting to get the shot, not anti-maskers.
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