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happystuff
4-26-22, 9:52am
Nice update, jp. Sending prayers for continued improvement.
Both of us tested negative this afternoon. At this point unless I start to show symptoms I’ll probably wait to test again Friday afternoon to make sure I’m not asymptomatic but positive. I don’t have any plans to go out before then.
Nice update, jp. Sending prayers for continued improvement.
He doesn't want prayers. He mocked me for believing in God.
He doesn't want prayers. He mocked me for believing in God.
It’s certainly true that I mocked your supposed religious beliefs. But maybe that was because it doesn’t seem very Christian to me to believe that anyone over age 50 or who has a pre-existing condition is not deserving of being counted in the covid statistics.
Feel free to disagree with me but I suspect you’d claim that SO deserved whatever may have come to him from covid because he’s overweight. The fact that he’s lost 40 lbs in the past year would’ve maybe lessened your opinion of that but since he’s still 50 lbs heavier than his ideal weight would’ve rendered him unworthy in your mind. Therefore his serious illness or death would’ve been somehow justified in your mind if that’s what had happened. If that’s what your god tells you to believe than your god is a ****ing asshole and you need to find a better one.
frugal-one
4-27-22, 3:55am
jp1... Time to put yppej on ignore. By now you should know she is not someone worthy of a response.... a troll. Who cares what she thinks?
Great news about the negative tests, Jp!! Keep em coming.
happystuff
4-27-22, 9:54am
Excellent update, jp. And I do agree with frugal-one on the ignore.
iris lilies
4-27-22, 12:51pm
jp what a relief that Covid left little effect on your household!
Fauci now says covid is endemic not pandemic. Let's see if he can put the paranoid genie back in the bottle with this statement. Some people just don't want to admit it's over.
DH and I got our second booster last night.
SO and I both tested negative again today. And he still feels perfectly fine. I, on the other hand, feel that he needs to go back to work. He’s been binge watching Hill Street Blues all week. Every 40 minutes or so I’ve heard the theme song blaring from the tv in the living room, interspersed with Renko shouting ‘freeze, dog breath!’ Over and over all day long. This afternoon I asked how far in he was and he said ‘end of season 2’ (of 8)…. Calgon, take me away. (If the streaming service included ads from the day I’m sure that would be one of them)
Funny aside. The cats are still thrown off their routine with him around all day. Normally they spend their afternoons taking vitamin D naps in my office, completely ignoring me as I come and go. They are still doing that but every time they hear SO moving around they jump up and run downstairs to see what’s going on. Then five minutes later they wander back to the office and crash again.
rosarugosa
4-28-22, 6:15am
DH and I got our second booster last night.
DH and I got ours too.
happystuff
4-28-22, 9:25am
DH and I got our second booster last night.
Just curious if you are having any side-effects?
iris lilies
4-28-22, 11:03am
Now I wonder if I shouldn’t slip in a second booster before my next gathering with Iris folks where we will ride around for one day in a bus, and have meetings and dinners. This time mask are not required on the bus I believe. I could be wrong about that. Will have to check rules.
Today, my main firefighting partner has covid, my life-partner has 2 kids in her 4th-grade classroom out with covid though she has miraculously still dodged the bullet, her own son has covid and it is final-exam week at college for him, my daughter's partner's mom/dad have covid (and Dad just had a stroke), and my niece has covid.
So I guess covid must be over.
happystuff
4-28-22, 1:38pm
Hope everyone gets through their illnesses without any complications, bae.
Just curious if you are having any side-effects?
I felt a bit achy yesterday, but a couple of advil at noon and at bedtime helped. I feel fine today. I kind of expected it because I had similar reactions to my second Shingrex vax a few years ago and after the 2nd Pfizer COVID vax and the 1st booster. No side effects for DH.
frugal-one
4-28-22, 3:51pm
Just read that Advil (NSAID) raises blood pressure. I never would have thought that???
Today, my main firefighting partner has covid, my life-partner has 2 kids in her 4th-grade classroom out with covid though she has miraculously still dodged the bullet, her own son has covid and it is final-exam week at college for him, my daughter's partner's mom/dad have covid (and Dad just had a stroke), and my niece has covid.
So I guess covid must be over.
If you obsessively test with unreliable tests you can find it. It's the equivalent of if you build it they will come.
ApatheticNoMore
4-28-22, 7:04pm
If you obsessively test with unreliable tests you can find it. It's the equivalent of if you build it they will come.
this is of course another misinformation from the usual source of misinformation. False positives from self-tests are rare, false negatives not so rare unfortunately.
If you obsessively test with unreliable tests you can find it. It's the equivalent of if you build it they will come.
What a foolish and uninformed thing to say, in this context.
this is of course another misinformation from the usual source of misinformation. False positives from self-tests are rare, false negatives not so rare unfortunately.
I stand by my statement. I know many people with false positives including my dad. One problem is hospitals will retest a negative but not a positive. They cling to those positives because they get higher reimbursement rates from Medicare., and the facts be damned!
I stand by my statement. I know many people with false positives including my dad. One problem is hospitals will retest a negative but not a positive. They cling to those positives because they get higher reimbursement rates from Medicare., and the facts be damned!
Please provide a source for your belief that there are significant false positives from the home tests.
Please provide a source for your belief that there are significant false positives from the home tests.
Does not have to be a self-test. My dad's false positive was done in the hospital.
But on home tests there is this from the American Society for Microbiology:
https://asm.org/Press-Releases/2021/November/Avoiding-False-Positive-for-SARS-CoV-2-When-Using
A JAMA study found 42% of false positives in PCR tests they looked at:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788067#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20false%2Dpositi ve,25%20and%20October%208%2C%202021.
rosarugosa
4-29-22, 6:07am
We didn't have any side effects from the booster, other than slightly sore arm for me (same as with a flu shot). We had to wait 15 mins on the Group W Bench to make sure we didn't have a reaction. Here's DH.
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Does not have to be a self-test. My dad's false positive was done in the hospital.
But on home tests there is this from the American Society for Microbiology:
https://asm.org/Press-Releases/2021/November/Avoiding-False-Positive-for-SARS-CoV-2-When-Using
A JAMA study found 42% of false positives in PCR tests they looked at:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788067#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20false%2Dpositi ve,25%20and%20October%208%2C%202021.
So you got nothing. Thanks. That’s what I figured.
So it looks like the government might approve a vax for children under 5 that's so ineffective it wouldn't normally get approved, just to shut up all the covidians who keep clamoring for it. (Margaret Brennan is one - she's so annoying - every episode of "Face the Nation" she's harping about this. Total helicopter parent.) sCiEnCe. The benefit will be maybe then the mask mandate on toddlers in NYC will go away.
happystuff
4-29-22, 9:27am
Just learned this morning that a sibling and spouse tested positive. 2nd time for the spouse. Just mild symptoms at this point as it is early on.
Haven't had my second covid booster yet, but had side effects from both the 2nd regular and my 2nd shingles.
I am not a vaccine naysayer but was surprised too that the efficacy of the kids under 5 shot is so low.
Just learned this morning that a sibling and spouse tested positive. 2nd time for the spouse. Just mild symptoms at this point as it is early on.
Haven't had my second covid booster yet, but had side effects from both the 2nd regular and my 2nd shingles.
Just learned this week a coworker has the flu. Mild enough so far he still came to work (he works in the warehouse away from other people), but who knows?. One can never be too alarmist. But so far so good, so in true Academy Awards fashion, I want to thank God, vitamin C, hydration, and extra rest that his symptoms are only mild. It could have been so much worse if he had not been protected by .... common sense.
Kids are now getting adenovirus/hepatitis/liver failure because they were overprotected against exposure to normal germs and their immune systems are weak. So many problems from covidianism.
We didn't have any side effects from the booster, other than slightly sore arm for me (same as with a flu shot). We had to wait 15 mins on the Group W Bench to make sure we didn't have a reaction. Here's DH.
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OMG You Just Made My Day with you Group W refence ..... Alice's Restaurant is the one thing that we listen to and sing before our Thanksgiving meal .
Kids are now getting adenovirus/hepatitis/liver failure because they were overprotected against exposure to normal germs and their immune systems are weak. So many problems from covidianism.
So the idiot nut job view is that lack of interaction with viruses is what’s causing this? Thanks for sharing that with us so that we don’t have to go search it out. I’d ask for sources but since you’re not big on that I’ll just let your wackadoodle stand as it is.
So the idiot nut job view is that lack of interaction with viruses is what’s causing this? Thanks for sharing that with us so that we don’t have to go search it out. I’d ask for sources but since you’re not big on that I’ll just let your wackadoodle stand as it is.
Too bad The Journal of the American Medical Association wasn't good enough for you.
ToomuchStuff
4-29-22, 9:57pm
We didn't have any side effects from the booster, other than slightly sore arm for me (same as with a flu shot). We had to wait 15 mins on the Group W Bench to make sure we didn't have a reaction. Here's DH.
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Thankfully they fixed the questionnaires. Yes, I have a ton of allergies, no, nothing LISTED in the vaccine was among them, but that wasn't in the first shots questionnaires. I had to wait extra time "to make sure I didn't have a allergic reaction".
Felt like showing a bunch of glossy pictures to a blind judge.
Too bad The Journal of the American Medical Association wasn't good enough for you.
Ok. I’ll bite. Post a ****ing link.
Ok. I’ll bite. Post a ****ing link.
It'll undoubtedly be something taken out of context, or breathlessly misrepresented. As usual.
iris lilies
4-30-22, 2:48am
Too bad The Journal of the American Medical Association wasn't good enough for you.
Jeppy, I don’t think the JAMA article said what you think it said as you reference in post #5524. Read it again and tell me if I am wrong.
I myself had a hard time with that data and what it was really saying about false positives.
Jeppy, I don’t think the JAMA article said what you think it said as you reference in post #5524. Read it again and tell me if I am wrong.
I myself had a hard time with that data and what it was really saying about false positives.
In the Results section it said .05% of tests are false positives. But 42% of positives are false. This might seem like a big discrepancy, but keep in mind if you screen large numbers of asymptomatic people that most tests will be negative. In my state there are many times test positivity rates have been 1% and that includes people who get tested because they are symptomatic. On college campuses I have seen figures around the .05% because they test everyone all the time. And what the JAMA report says is 42% of those positives are bogus.
As I said, Jeppy is misrepresenting the conclusions. Or didn’t read the whole thing.
iris lilies
4-30-22, 6:52am
As I said, Jeppy is misrepresenting the conclusions. Or didn’t read the whole thing.
Then why don’t you explain it since I’m having a hard time with it.
Too bad The Journal of the American Medical Association wasn't good enough for you.
That wasn’t a link about kids with liver disease.I can understand your confusion though. You throw it so many stupid conspiracy theories it must be hard to keep up.
That wasn’t a link about kids with liver disease.I can understand your confusion though. You throw it so many stupid conspiracy theories it must be hard to keep up.
If you dismissed my sources on the first topic, why would I take the time to provide you with sources on the second topic?
You are incorrigible.
I didn’t dismiss your source I simply pointed out that your source didn’t address my question to you. I get it. You aren’t really a detail oriented person. I will lower my expectations going forward.
Then why don’t you explain it since I’m having a hard time with it.
From the Results section:
“ All of the false-positive test results from these 2 workplaces were drawn from a single batch of Abbott’s Panbio COVID-19 Ag Rapid Test Device.”
From the Discussion section:
“ The cluster of false-positive results from 1 batch was likely the result of manufacturing issues rather than implementation. These results inform the discussion of whether rapid antigen tests will result in too many false-positives that could overwhelm PCR testing capacity in other settings.1,2 Also, the results demonstrate the importance of having a comprehensive data system to quickly identify potential issues. With the ability to identify batch issues within 24 hours, workers could return to work, problematic test batches could be discarded, and the public health authorities and manufacturer could be informed.”
Jeppy is trying to convince us that this one research letter tells us that 42% of rapid test positives are false positives. This is simply not generally true. Jeppy picked out one result, ignored the authors’ discussion of the data issues and limitations, and engaged in sophistry. Or Jeppy simply did not understand what they read, for whatever reason.
You cannot generalize to all rapid tests based on the results of two single workplaces using the same production batch of tests without digging a bit further. Especially when this result seems out of line…
Covid vaccinations can cause hepatitis:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9021033/
Currently we have a hepatitis outbreak in vaccinated children.
iris lilies
5-1-22, 9:06am
From the Results section:
“ All of the false-positive test results from these 2 workplaces were drawn from a single batch of Abbott’s Panbio COVID-19 Ag Rapid Test Device.”
From the Discussion section:
“ The cluster of false-positive results from 1 batch was likely the result of manufacturing issues rather than implementation. These results inform the discussion of whether rapid antigen tests will result in too many false-positives that could overwhelm PCR testing capacity in other settings.1,2 Also, the results demonstrate the importance of having a comprehensive data system to quickly identify potential issues. With the ability to identify batch issues within 24 hours, workers could return to work, problematic test batches could be discarded, and the public health authorities and manufacturer could be informed.”
Jeppy is trying to convince us that this one research letter tells us that 42% of rapid test positives are false positives. This is simply not generally true. Jeppy picked out one result, ignored the authors’ discussion of the data issues and limitations, and engaged in sophistry. Or Jeppy simply did not understand what they read, for whatever reason.
You cannot generalize to all rapid tests based on the results of two single workplaces using the same production batch of tests without digging a bit further. Especially when this result seems out of line…
ok, thanks!
Covid vaccinations can cause hepatitis:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9021033/
Currently we have a hepatitis outbreak in vaccinated children.
No we don't.
https://www.ksat.com/health/2022/04/27/global-hepatitis-outbreak-in-kids-has-san-antonio-doctors-looking-closely-at-cases/
The UK data suggests it has nothing to do with COVID-19 or COVID vaccines.
“Very few of the 100 or so children had received any kind of COVID vaccination, and fewer than 20% of them tested positive for COVID,” Barton explained.
No we don't.
https://www.ksat.com/health/2022/04/27/global-hepatitis-outbreak-in-kids-has-san-antonio-doctors-looking-closely-at-cases/
The UK data suggests it has nothing to do with COVID-19 or COVID vaccines.
“Very few of the 100 or so children had received any kind of COVID vaccination, and fewer than 20% of them tested positive for COVID,” Barton explained.
Clarification - it is not the children who are vaccinated, but their mothers, and they are breastfeeding:
https://theirishsentinel.com/2022/05/01/sudden-rise-of-unvaccinated-children-with-liver-damage-were-breastfed-by-fully-vaccinated-mothers/
I just requested my first free test kits from the government. I was tested a couple of times in a drive through test and was otherwise not too concerned because of general isolation. Now that people are pretending it's all safe now, my worries have elevated. I was somewhat surprised the free kits are still being handed out.
I ordered the free test kits recently too for the exact reason you mentioned. Surprisingly they were here in a few days. Hopefully they will go unused!
I ordered my second batch of nanny G test kits a week ago friday, the day SO tested positive. They came last tuesday and we've used them all. I also ordered a five pack of them from Amazon the same day which we haven't used. We'll keep them in our linen closet until we need them and at some point in the next few days I'll figure out how to apply for reimbursement from Blue Cross. Like both of you I assume that as everyone pretends that everything is back to normal it is inevitable that one of us will get infected again unless we make the decision to (not) party like it's 2020 again.
I ordered my second batch of nanny G test kits a week ago friday, the day SO tested positive. They came last tuesday and we've used them all. I also ordered a five pack of them from Amazon the same day which we haven't used. We'll keep them in our linen closet until we need them and at some point in the next few days I'll figure out how to apply for reimbursement from Blue Cross. Like both of you I assume that as everyone pretends that everything is back to normal it is inevitable that one of us will get infected again unless we make the decision to (not) party like it's 2020 again.
Keep testing. Since the tests aren't perfect it is indeed inevitable that you will get infected again, if only with a false positive.
Keep testing. Since the tests aren't perfect it is indeed inevitable that you will get infected again, if only with a false positive.
Keep putting people at risk by not testing when you get sick. I'm sure the person(people) that you subsequently infect will be old or sick and deserving of their death.
Keep putting people at risk by not testing when you get sick. I'm sure the person(people) that you subsequently infect will be old or sick and deserving of their death.
Because every cold (and colds are coronaviruses) kills people. The morgues are full since masks are no longer required on planes - and there aren't any more unvaccinated people because they all died. Be afraid - be very afraid. Go get a few more boosters to be safe.
Seriously - you might want to check the stats on covid hospitalizations - most of them are now vaccinated people. So much for the prevailing public health narrative to benefit big pharma.
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More nonsense, misrepresentation, and downright evil.
Putin would be proud of you.
“A systematic #LongCovid review of nearly 200 studies and over 120,000 participants, reinforces the high frequency of symptoms > 6 months, not linked to severity of acute illness, and potential for marked disability”
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4099429
“A systematic #LongCovid review of nearly 200 studies and over 120,000 participants, reinforces the high frequency of symptoms > 6 months, not linked to severity of acute illness, and potential for marked disability”
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4099429
If they are vaxxed, it could actually be side effects from the vaccine, not covid. Most people getting covid are vaxxed.
If they are vaxxed, it could actually be side effects from the vaccine, not covid. Most people getting covid are vaxxed.
It's possible too that it's from fluoridation of water polluting our bodily essences...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-spAzuTj7Rvk/XObEWtPDsmI/AAAAAAAAQHc/ajpyI_0uK2UJDW9FoSocVG75vR-eit8wACLcBGAs/s1600/ds2.jpg
Chicken lady
5-10-22, 8:32am
We went mask optional at the end of March.
we had a dance on Friday.
we have 7 teenagers and two staff members out with covid - most at once ever. Some, if not all, are fully vaccinated.
masks are now required again in any class that includes a student over age 12.
Chicken lady
5-10-22, 9:14am
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We went mask optional at the end of March.
we had a dance on Friday.
we have 7 teenagers and two staff members out with covid - most at once ever. Some, if not all, are fully vaccinated.
masks are now required again in any class that includes a student over age 12.
How many were symptomatic? How many were hospitalized? How many were in the ICU? How many died?
This is 7 out of how many students? Hundreds? Thousands?
Pretty ridiculous how people are milking this pandemic for the benefit of mask manufacturers. If not an N95 or K95 consistently worn properly it is useless.
Chicken lady
5-10-22, 11:37am
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all symptomatic
fortunately none of them have been hospitalized. Although my state’s childhood hospitalization rate is unconscionably high - above those in the 18-59 groups.
grades 9-12 are about 90 students. I don’t know what attendance was at the dance.
we had an average of less than a case a week for the whole school (grades k-12) before we went mask optional.
happystuff
5-10-22, 11:51am
CL, hope everyone fully recovers and quickly.
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all symptomatic
fortunately none of them have been hospitalized. Although my state’s childhood hospitalization rate is unconscionably high - above those in the 18-59 groups.
grades 9-12 are about 90 students. I don’t know what attendance was at the dance.
we had an average of less than a case a week for the whole school (grades k-12) before we went mask optional.
IMO if you're slow dancing and hanging all over each other - or kissing through the mask as I've seen people do in airports - even if you're wearing a mask you're still going to get it.
iris lilies
5-10-22, 1:08pm
IMO if you're slow dancing and hanging all over each other - or kissing through the mask as I've seen people do in airports - even if you're wearing a mask you're still going to get it.
I suspect kids are using the mask as a symbol more than actual prophylactic, which I believe is true for many people But especially the youthful citizens among us.
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Although my state’s childhood hospitalization rate is unconscionably high -
Unless your state splits out hospitalizations due to covid and where covid is incidental this is pretty meaningless. In my state consistently over half of "covid" hospitalizations are incidental.
iris lilies
5-10-22, 1:25pm
Unless your state splits out hospitalizations due to covid and where covid is incidental this is pretty meaningless. In my state consistently over half of "covid" hospitalizations are incidental.
Right, it counts people who enter the hospital with Covid but not because of Covid. I don’t think it’s meaningless though. If the counting has been consistent from day one of Covid, if they’ll give some information about Covid saturation in our populace.
If the counting has been consistent from day one of Covid, if they’ll give some information about Covid saturation in our populace.
I'd love some good data on Q-Anon saturation in our populace.
Right, it counts people who enter the hospital with Covid but not because of Covid. I don’t think it’s meaningless though. If the counting has been consistent from day one of Covid, if they’ll give some information about Covid saturation in our populace.
The counting has not been consistent over time. It's been maybe 6 months out of a pandemic now in its third year that this has been measured.
Saturation is very high due to increased transmissibility, and often unknown due to decreased severity. Seropositivity in blood samples show at least 75% of kids have been exposed already, probably higher in the Northeast where I am since the latest minisurge has hit us already from the 12 subvariant.
Chicken lady
5-10-22, 2:08pm
11.
we required high quality masks and did not put teenagers who were being responsible and careful in a position to be infected by those who were not. Then we decided it was ok to put a bunch of them in a questionably ventilated gym dancing for hours with the students behaviorally most likely to be sick unmasked.
last year’s prom theme was “masquerade”. Zero Post prom cases.
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we required high quality masks and did not put teenagers who were being responsible and careful in a position to be infected by those who were not. Then we decided it was ok to put a bunch of them in a questionably ventilated gym dancing for hours with the students behaviorally most likely to be sick unmasked.
last year’s prom theme was “masquerade”. Zero Post prom cases.
The solution is to just stop testing. We don't do this with the flu or colds. Covid is now milder and milder. As you noted, no one is hospitalized. Here is an article on the shortcomings of a testing based approach in the real world:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pandemic-gets-tougher-to-track-as-covid-testing-plunges/ar-AAX6GwE?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=e67d3ab4c3a6444dbff0c3c3a0989e63
The article has your paranoid slant, but read between the lines and see where the country and the world are and where they are going to stay.
Reformed covidians like Bill Gates are now saying it's not that serious except for certain high risk individuals and that is where the focus should be, and we never should have shut down schools etc. Let the kids be kids and stop scaring them by obsessing over covid. It's a respiratory virus - big whoop.
A note from my medical supervisor today:
We are moving into a phase of the pandemic where it is not possible to provide the public protections so the defenses will have to be at the personal health level. Those at risk are now going to have to protect themselves rather than the protection afforded by public policy and the communities actions. Our rates have been so low for so long because we asked community members to mask early on. The current variant is much more highly contagious and the newest even more highly contagious variant BA2.12.1 is already in Whatcom County and will likely replace the BA 2 strain in the next few weeks.
What I believe is essential now is that people at risk and those that live with them will need to take on the responsibility of not getting COVID. This is much more difficult than when the community was protecting them. Some would say we are throwing the elders, children under 5 and the half of the school age population that is not immunized and those with disabling immune compromise under the bus. I think what they need to do now to not get COVID is the following:
What those at high risk and the household contacts of high risk people need to do now:
Test- high risk individuals-- before you gather with those you do not live with every day (TWO tests 24 hours apart)
Test- all the rest of us before you are with new people inside an enclosed space, OR those at high risk from infection
Mask to protect yourself if you are at high risk
Mask to protect high risk if you are going to be around them
Up the quality of mask to at least KN 95 or N 95 well fitted to face (these will be work to breath through)
It is NEVER too late to vaccinate. Unvaccinated people remain at dramatically higher risk of hospitalization and death if infected. And Booster shots significantly reduce risks even further.
Ask for treatment if high risk. The new strain is even more contagious, but remains vulnerable to our vaccines, antivirals and protection methods if we use them. Everyone 12 yo and older (and over 40 Kg) that is higher risk should be offered Paxlovid as soon as possible after diagnosis. For some high risk people that can not vaccinate or in whom vaccine will not work well due to medical conditions preventive medications are available and should be used (talk to your doctor).
Paxlovid even for mild to moderate infection is indicated. it is also complicated and checking kidney function (eGFR) and liver function tests (LFTs) is essential prior to treatment (both are in the commonly run Comprehensive Metabolic Panel) Depending on those results dose may need to be adjusted or medication may be contraindicated if severe enough compromise is found. AND Check for drug interactions, which are very common (and include things like St. John’s Wart herbal treatments) but can easily be looked up with online tools. Some medications like simvastatin have to be stopped for 24 hours before starting Paxlovid and then not restarted until 48 hours after the treatment course is completed.
Long COVID is real and relatively common, but it will be a year before we really know the significance of the medical condition that raise after acute COVID. What is emerging is concerning. It dose not require severe illness with the acute infection, even mild infections can lead to long COVID symptoms. A recent study showed a 38% increase in type 1 diabetes in a matched control study of those infected vs not infected with COVID. For now it will still be important to avoid infection even thought it appears to be causing only mild disease in the upper airways and lungs. Any tissue or organ that has ACE receptors becomes infected and can be impacted. The pulmonary symptoms that we have spent so much time being concerned about at just one small aspect of the total body infection when they occur. It infects circulatory, cardiac, brain, pancreatic, and many other body systems.
Brother and his wife both got Covid followed by the antiviral and then came down with what they called rebound Covid. Haven't heard much about that but jeez we wish this crap would stop.
I certainly would not trust Bae's source. No attention to detail.
"the communities actions"
"those with disabling immune compromise"
"These will be hard work to breath through" [the correct word is breathe and yes, it is hard for toddlers in NYC and others to wear masks, other generations are important too, tired of the gerontocracy]
Why are they listing weight in kg? Obviously not direction designed for Americans.
"the significance of the medical condition that raise"
"even thought it appears to be causing mild disease"
"being concerned about at just one aspect"
Not to mention the smaller grammatical and punctuation errors.
This is so poorly written that, along with the metric reference, it appears to me that this is Russian propaganda submitted to an online translator.
iris lilies
5-10-22, 6:44pm
I certainly would not trust Bae's source. No attention to detail.
"the communities actions"
"those with disabling immune compromise"
"These will be hard work to breath through" [the correct word is breathe and yes, it is hard for toddlers in NYC and others to wear masks, other generations are important too, tired of the gerontocracy]
Why are they listing weight in kg? Obviously not direction designed for Americans.
"the significance of the medical condition that raise"
"even thought it appears to be causing mild disease"
"being concerned about at just one aspect"
Not to mention the smaller grammatical and punctuation errors.
This is so poorly written that, along with the metric reference, it appears to me that this is Russian propaganda submitted to an online translator.
I don’t think most of the five—year-olds will be much phased by Covid anyway.
I certainly would not trust Bae's source. No attention to detail.
My source is a well-respected physician and researcher, who happens to have directed some of the most effective covid response efforts in the country. He has active research projects all over the world, teaches at several universities, and has an active hands-on practice.
I'm sure any typos in the hasty email he sent out completely overrule his decades of experience, and his reputation around the world, compared to your deep knowledge. (Hint, it wasn't a press release...)
Pathetic of you, really.
If you don't want the information I share, just block me for goodness sake.
My source is a well-respected physician and researcher, who happens to have directed some of the most effective covid response efforts in the country. He has active research projects all over the world, teaches at several universities, and has an active hands-on practice.
I'm sure any typos in the hasty email he sent out completely overrule his decades of experience, and his reputation around the world, compared to your deep knowledge. (Hint, it wasn't a press release...)
Pathetic of you, really.
If you don't want the information I share, just block me for goodness sake.
"All over the world" - Russia? Maybe China? How do you explain the weight in kilograms? That's not a typo.
"All over the world" - Russia? Maybe China? How do you explain the weight in kilograms? That's not a typo.
Perhaps, oh, I don't know, because we use the metric system generally in science and medicine? Even here in the USA(*)?
You don't even know what you don't know, do you?
(*) Look, here's a random screenshot from one of our local protocols, here in the USA...
https://i.imgur.com/haoTJLv.png
Perhaps, oh, I don't know, because we use the metric system generally in science and medicine? Even here in the USA(*)?
You don't even know what you don't know, do you?
(*) Look, here's a random screenshot from one of our local protocols, here in the USA...
https://i.imgur.com/haoTJLv.png
You obviously have never looked at a medical chart or medical record where a person's weight is listed in POUNDS in the good old USA.
You obviously have never looked at a medical chart or medical record where a person's weight is listed in POUNDS in the good old USA.
Wow. Where do you make this stuff up? I assure you, we use the metric system here in our medical protocols. And I've seen, well, probably a lot of records...
(And yes, there are times English units sneak in, in descriptive material, but metric is used for anything of importance...)
iris lilies
5-10-22, 8:09pm
Wow. Where do you make this stuff up? I assure you, we use the metric system here in our medical protocols. And I've seen, well, probably a lot of records...
(And yes, there are times English units sneak in, in descriptive material, but metric is used for anything of importance...)
My physician uses lbs for my medical record. Dr. NOW on the TV show “my 600 pound life “has a scale that measures in pounds. They talk about pounds in weight loss, The primary reason why those patients are under his care.That is not important?
At least it’s not “stones” Because I am lost when the English based TV shows talk in stones.
My physician uses lbs for my medical record. Dr. NOW on the TV show “my 600 pound life “has a scale that measures in pounds. They talk about pounds in weight loss, The primary reason why those patients are under his care.That is not important?
At least it’s not “stones” Because I am lost when the English based TV shows talk in stones.
When your doctor is calculating dosages, does he use pounds and teaspoons? When he looks at your chart with your self-reported weight, or the weight off the pounds-calibrated scale, and calculates a dosage for a medicine, does he convert to kg before he bothers to write it down?
Are people using SI units in medical practice from Russia or China, as our resident Q-Anon expert asserts?
Good gosh.
When your doctor is calculating dosages, does he use pounds and teaspoons? When he looks at your chart with your self-reported weight, or the weight off the pounds-calibrated scale, and calculates a dosage for a medicine, does he convert to kg before he bothers to write it down?
Are people using SI units in medical practice from Russia or China, as our resident Q-Anon expert asserts?
Good gosh.
Why are you assuming the doctor is a he?
Bigot.
iris lilies
5-10-22, 8:57pm
Why are you assuming the doctor is a he?
Bigot.
Touché. My physician is actually a she.
Touché. My physician is actually a she.
As is mine. Guess I'm a bigot then. Well played. Enjoy.
Excellent job letting Q-Anon disrupt and derail useful information.
Chicken lady
5-10-22, 9:53pm
A lot of my goat meds are dosed in mg/kg - which has made me very careful about math because my weight tape is in pounds (I learned a cc is a cubic centimeter is also a ml!) fun fact though - the ivermectin label is conveniently in pounds.:laff:
A lot of my goat meds are dosed in mg/kg - which has made me very careful about math because my weight tape is in pounds (I learned a cc is a cubic centimeter is also a ml!) fun fact though - the ivermectin label is conveniently in pounds.:laff:
Remember in 1999 when we lost the Mars Climate Orbiter because of an English/Metric conversion issue? $125 million of your tax dollars, flush.
ToomuchStuff
5-10-22, 10:13pm
Remember in 1999 when we lost the Mars Climate Orbiter because of an English/Metric conversion issue? $125 million of your tax dollars, CRAsh.
Fixed it for you.
I wonder what we know about the crash site and things like the power source for it (nuclear), and if the radiation is spreading more due to the thin atmosphere.
North Korea. The numbers I read today are that supposedly in the last 3 days 4% of the population has become symptomatic. With an R0 of 15 for the omicron variant that would mean that basically the entire population is going to have been infected within the next couple of weeks. Any distancing measures that they are taking now are undoubtedly far too little far too late. In a country that supposedly has had zero previous infections and definitely has near zero vaccinations. And probably has minimal PPE available, no tests, and medieval level medical care (nowhere near enough oxygen, much less ventilators, antivirals, etc.). We may never get to hear the truth of what these next few weeks are like there but I can't imagine that it will be pretty.
And in an unrelated note, for the people here who aren’t covid hoaxers, you can now order your third and fourth batch of federal government home covid test kits.
I suppose the covid hoaxers can too but they’d probably rather go out and infect people with freedumb.
North Korea. The numbers I read today are that supposedly in the last 3 days 4% of the population has become symptomatic. With an R0 of 15 for the omicron variant that would mean that basically the entire population is going to have been infected within the next couple of weeks. Any distancing measures that they are taking now are undoubtedly far too little far too late. In a country that supposedly has had zero previous infections and definitely has near zero vaccinations. And probably has minimal PPE available, no tests, and medieval level medical care (nowhere near enough oxygen, much less ventilators, antivirals, etc.). We may never get to hear the truth of what these next few weeks are like there but I can't imagine that it will be pretty.
Sounds they're going to get it over with quickly rather than destroy children's education, adult livelihoods, and the economy for years.
Sounds they're going to get it over with quickly rather than destroy children's education, adult livelihoods, and the economy for years.
Sure. With 5-10% of the population dying in the process. I realize that doesn’t matter to you but for most of the rest of us it kind of does.
Sure. With 5-10% of the population dying in the process. I realize that doesn’t matter to you but for most of the rest of us it kind of does.
You are grossly inflating the mortality rate. I wonder what your agenda is.
You are grossly inflating the mortality rate. I wonder what your agenda is.
It wouldn't surprise me if North Korea's death rate were that high, due to their substandard medical establishment, but it's unlikely we'll ever know.
Sounds they're going to get it over with quickly rather than destroy children's education, adult livelihoods, and the economy for years.
The North Korean economy…. I think there’s not really much to destroy.
You are grossly inflating the mortality rate. I wonder what your agenda is.
That's what the death rate was in countries where the healthcare systems couldn't handle surges earlier in the pandemic, like Italy's first wave. Since no one has any immunity in North Korea, and their healthcare system is undoubtedly not up to the task at hand there's no reason to think that anything less will occur there.
Teacher Terry
5-17-22, 1:37pm
Any idea why they aren’t vaccinating people?
Any idea why they aren’t vaccinating people?
Because it's North Korea.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/05/north-korea-government-must-ensure-access-to-covid-19-vaccines-during-omicron-outbreak/
That's what the death rate was in countries where the healthcare systems couldn't handle surges earlier in the pandemic, like Italy's first wave. Since no one has any immunity in North Korea, and their healthcare system is undoubtedly not up to the task at hand there's no reason to think that anything less will occur there.
I bet they do have some immunity. The country is not as closed off as you think.
iris lilies
5-17-22, 8:15pm
Today I learned that our Iris Society treasurer who I sat by for 40 minutes on Saturday evening tested positive for Covid the next day.
So counting days from this close contact on Saturday: I am three days out and still OK. We shall see.
Are all these positive tests of new Covid cases done due to mild symptoms? Have they had shots and boosters?
Are all these positive tests of new Covid cases done due to mild symptoms? Have they had shots and boosters?
There is still testing of asymptomatic people going on as well. Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent on them. One person benefittng is the governor of Illinois who owns shares in covid testing companies.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/pritzker-family-firm-has-ties-to-covid-19-testing-companies/
But corruption in Illinois? Can't be. Must be a conspiracy theory. Call the Disinformation Bureau. Stop the presses!
The horror. People wanting to not unwittingly transmit a deadly disease to another person!
iris lilies
5-17-22, 8:37pm
Are all these positive tests of new Covid cases done due to mild symptoms? Have they had shots and boosters?
I’m sure this guy has all the shots and the boosters. I heard that he took the test because he had a slight fever.
The horror. People wanting to not unwittingly transmit a deadly disease to another person!
It's mutated and is now just the sort of cold, or flu, that has always killed vulnerable people. It is no longer a novel virus. 95% of people have immunity. The danger was in the novelty.
More and more studies seem to indicate COVID can cause lasting damage, including to the brain and gut. I haven't heard of colds and flu doing that.
I’ve also not heard of the flu killing 300-400 Americans/week year in and year out. But sure, the covid deniers must be right. They ‘did the research’. Lol.
Teacher Terry
5-17-22, 9:16pm
My doctor told me that some of her patients have serious long term issues from Covid.
My doctor told me that some of her patients have serious long term issues from Covid.
And I guess these lasting effects are not always apparent--like kidney failure.
I'm not eager to find out if I'm one of the unlucky ones.
And I guess these lasting effects are not always apparent--like kidney failure.
I'm not eager to find out if I'm one of the unlucky ones.
And diabetes. Apparently people who’ve had covid get it at a higher rate than expected. As someone with a significant family history of diabetes I have a reasonable likelihood of getting it eventually (grandma had it plus five out of eight in mom’s generation including mom) but I’d rather not hasten that semi-inevitability by getting covid.
Covid or long covid is blamed for everything these days, since so many no longer believe in the devil.
Did you hear the Buffalo mass murder was driven over the edge by covid? Since the pandemic started he only went to school one day and wore a hazmat suit. He was bored being home, spent a ton of time online, and got radicalized.
Did you hear the Buffalo mass murder was driven over the edge by covid? Since the pandemic started he only went to school one day and wore a hazmat suit. He was bored being home, spent a ton of time online, and got radicalized.
That may be true for the shooter but the pandemic seems to have also radicalized people who continued to leave their home every day for work. In some cases I’ve seen it has turned people into radicals that lack empathy and and bitterly resent it when anyone suggests taking any precautions to try and slow down the spread of the disease. Some have even been driven so far over the edge as to believe that god has called them to dedicate their lives towards fighting any efforts to slow the spread of disease and death.
My doctor told me that some of her patients have serious long term issues from Covid.
I've seen a few reliable references implying men may experience ED as a long term covid result. That's some encouragement to get vaccinated.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8450276/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20repercussions%20of,segme nt%20of%20the%20population.
That may be true for the shooter but the pandemic seems to have also radicalized people who continued to leave their home every day for work. In some cases I’ve seen it has turned people into radicals that lack empathy and and bitterly resent it when anyone suggests taking any precautions to try and slow down the spread of the disease. Some have even been driven so far over the edge as to believe that god has called them to dedicate their lives towards fighting any efforts to slow the spread of disease and death.
"You're not being empathetic" - the last refuge of scoundrels who know the efficacy of masks has been debunked.
No, I am not interested in suffering because you have irrational anxiety. Get on meds or something.
"You're not being empathetic"
Feel free to share with us even just one post where you've expressed any sort of empathy. You don't care that a million americans have died of covid and more recently have expressed no concern for the 100's of thousands of North Koreans who are about to die of it. That's pretty much the definition of lacking empathy.
Get on meds or something.
I'd hate to deprive people who really need them. (see, now I'm showing empathy even to you.)
Feel free to share with us even just one post where you've expressed any sort of empathy. You don't care that a million americans have died of covid and more recently have expressed no concern for the 100's of thousands of North Koreans who are about to die of it. That's pretty much the definition of lacking empathy.
I'd hate to deprive people who really need them. (see, now I'm showing empathy even to you.)
Let me virtue signal by wringing my virtual hands. Maybe I could put a Ukrainian flag on my profile picture too.
Let me virtue signal by wringing my virtual hands. Maybe I could put a Ukrainian flag on my profile picture too.
At least a ukraine flag in your profile pic would indicate that you understand the concept of empathy. Not only can't you bother that but you mock everyone that does it. You should probably tune out of simple living and go back to your onion dinners and bizarre belief that god wants you to kill as many people as possible. The bitterness of your lack of care for humanity and your dinner will probably work well together.
At least a ukraine flag in your profile pic would indicate that you understand the concept of empathy. Not only can't you bother that but you mock everyone that does it. You should probably tune out of simple living and go back to your onion dinners and bizarre belief that god wants you to kill as many people as possible. The bitterness of your lack of care for humanity and your dinner will probably work well together.
I am using up the onions I have and not buying more because they contribute to GERD, as does garlic. I used to think the Buddhist belief that you should not eat either was odd, but it turns out there are valid reasons for a lot of religious concepts. Too bad some reflexively dismiss all religion. Their bizarre refusal to accept higher powers would kill as many people as possible, but fortunately groups like AA and NA know better.
Speaking of addiction, record number of deaths due to it during covid. Let's allow JP to get on planes and fly around while closing the drug rehab facilities. Elite lifestyles and lives matter!!
Chicken lady
5-19-22, 5:54am
I don’t think you should worry about the GERD. How many people do you personally know who have died of it? It’s probably not as bad as the flu.
this would be an example of a post completely lacking in any sign of empathy.
as we know each other only onscreen, carefully avoiding sharing any information that humanizes one may make one feel virtuous in one’s own value system - at the cost of seeming inhuman.
we all have a right to choose which parts of us we share online. If someone chooses not to share any parts of them that make them seem kind or concerned about others, that person should expect others to react as if they are in fact unkind and uncaring.
I don’t think you should worry about the GERD. How many people do you personally know who have died of it? It’s probably not as bad as the flu.
this would be an example of a post completely lacking in any sign of empathy.
as we know each other only onscreen, carefully avoiding sharing any information that humanizes one may make one feel virtuous in one’s own value system - at the cost of seeming inhuman.
we all have a right to choose which parts of us we share online. If someone chooses not to share any parts of them that make them seem kind or concerned about others, that person should expect others to react as if they are in fact unkind and uncaring.
Well I certainly wouldn't get a novel vaccine whose side effects are not all known against GERD. And I wouldn't restrict the activities of others over GERD. I wouldn't shut down schools and businesses and rehab facilities and churches and label everyone who disagrees with me a heartless killer. But that's just me, believer in civil liberties. Obviously there are whole swaths of society that revel in authoritarianism and believe they know better than everyone else, and have the right to dictate what other people should do with their lives. Lots of little Napoleons, or Hitler wannabees, or whatever you want to call them, wanting to rule the world.
Smoothly merging two themes:
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Olga showed up in my genealogy research. She was a badass.
Dogs are pretty cool!
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0268382
https://i.imgur.com/SHz0Ui8.jpg
I'm very proud of my community:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/who-won-the-pandemic-in-our-state-its-not-even-close/
iris lilies
10-12-22, 9:20pm
I'm very proud of my community:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/who-won-the-pandemic-in-our-state-its-not-even-close/
masking, contact tracing, and all with a huge dose of luck. And natural geographic barriers ( which is part of the lucky.)
What is the age of your population? Are they younger than the norm for your state?
masking, contact tracing, and all with a huge dose of luck. And natural geographic barriers ( which is part of the lucky.)
What is the age of your population? Are they younger than the norm for your state?
No, we are the oldest population in the state. Luckily we also are one of the best-educated counties in the state, and one of the wealthiest. We also have the state's highest life expectancy, and typically are ranked #1 in the state for "healthiest county. In addition, the community is fairly tightly-knit, and people care for and look after each other.
We have zero ICU beds in the county, and don't even have a real hospital of any sort, so it was crucial to protect each other.
iris lilies
10-12-22, 10:35pm
No, we are the oldest population in the state. Luckily we also are one of the best-educated counties in the state, and one of the wealthiest. We also have the state's highest life expectancy, and typically are ranked #1 in the state for "healthiest county. In addition, the community is fairly tightly-knit, and people care for and look after each other.
We have zero ICU beds in the county, and don't even have a real hospital of any sort, so it was crucial to protect each other.
Then that is very good if you are all on the old side.
JaneV2.0
10-12-22, 11:33pm
Congratulations! That shows that masking, contact tracing, and social distancing, along with good demographics and island living can make a huge difference. I think Governor Inslee did a good job, too.
Although we've been wearing masks at work since December 2019, we now have fifteen positive cases with a few of those with symptoms (assisted living facility). The residents who share a table with the sick ones are quarantined. Those who tested positive without symptoms are also quarantined. Those who have symptoms are on isolation (full PPE gear required to enter their room). I honestly don't think I'll ever be maskless at work ever again. These N95 masks make my face break out and take forever to heal. It's looking like this will be a way of life from now on.
mschrisgo2
10-17-22, 10:49pm
My daughter is a sales supervisor at a home improvement store here in California. They’ve all been wearing masks at work since March 2020. Thursday last week they had 8 employees test positive for Covid and 4 more the next day. (Company provides self tests, and requires everyone test every week.) Some with very mild symptoms, but positive nevertheless.
Latest Covid news is that Boston University has combined the spike protein from Omicron with the original Wuhan strain and come up with a new variant with an 80% mortality rate in mice and is 5 times more infectious in humans than Omicron. Congratulations! Outrage as Boston University CREATES Covid strain that has an 80% kill rate | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11323677/Outrage-Boston-University-CREATES-Covid-strain-80-kill-rate.html)
JaneV2.0
10-17-22, 11:17pm
Latest Covid news is that Boston University has combined the spike protein from Omicron with the original Wuhan strain and come up with a new variant with an 80% mortality rate in mice and is 5 times more infectious in humans than Omicron. Congratulations! Outrage as Boston University CREATES Covid strain that has an 80% kill rate | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11323677/Outrage-Boston-University-CREATES-Covid-strain-80-kill-rate.html)
Geez Alan--that's comforting news to sleep on! :~)
sweetana3
10-18-22, 5:11am
Just had husband tell me he got a message early this morning from a friend that friend tested positive. Of course, he and another man spent yesterday with them in a vehicle picking up and delivering for a food bank. We are all in this together. Got all our boosters and our flu shot.
rosarugosa
10-18-22, 5:56am
My sister has it. She came down with symptoms on 10/14. We were with her on 10/12, but we seem to be fine so far. We'll follow the guidelines and mask around others through 10/22.
happystuff
10-18-22, 12:46pm
Two weeks ago a sibling caught it. Volunteers once a week at a food bank and apparently another 6 people from the food bank also tested positive. Don't know severity of symptoms. Sibling said "like really bad flu".
frugal-one
10-18-22, 12:58pm
Haven't had a flu shot in years (or had the flu) but with all the news about how bad it will be and seeing high rates in TX... guess will do it. Makes me nervous because after the last 2 flu shots I got the flu really bad.
Got my second Covid booster and flu shot at the same time yesterday at Walgreens. Booster in left arm since it usually gets somewhat sore and I’m right handed. Flu shot in right arm. So far not feeling exhausted like I did with three previous Covid shots.
flowerseverywhere
10-18-22, 9:19pm
Latest Covid news is that Boston University has combined the spike protein from Omicron with the original Wuhan strain and come up with a new variant with an 80% mortality rate in mice and is 5 times more infectious in humans than Omicron. Congratulations! Outrage as Boston University CREATES Covid strain that has an 80% kill rate | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11323677/Outrage-Boston-University-CREATES-Covid-strain-80-kill-rate.html)
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/boston-university-pushes-back-on-claims-of-new-deadly-covid-strain/2865815/
Not exactly.
Haven't had a flu shot in years (or had the flu) but with all the news about how bad it will be and seeing high rates in TX... guess will do it. Makes me nervous because after the last 2 flu shots I got the flu really bad.
You would be hard pressed to find a legitimate medical authority that would say the flu shot can cause the flu. But it's your choice. Possibly a discussion with your doctor would ease your concerns.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/in-depth/flu-shots/art-20048000#:~:text=The%20flu%20vaccine%20can't,React ion%20to%20the%20vaccine.
frugal-one
10-19-22, 8:48am
Rogar….it may not have caused the flu but did not prevent it either. Some years the effectiveness is very low…I remember 29%. Not thrilled to keep injecting all these “medicines”. Will bite the bullet this year though.
JaneV2.0
10-19-22, 10:48am
I've never been impressed with the effectiveness of flu shots, and have never had one. I'm becoming equally unimpressed with the efficacy of the COVID vaccines. Everything considered, social distancing works for me. :)
I had a bad case of the flu about 30 years ago and ever since I've had the annual flu shot and never had the flu again and never a reaction to the shot. So there you go.
My once a year or so common colds dropped off significantly when I quit work, so there's something to be said for that.
My doctor recommended getting the flu shot early this year.
pinkytoe
10-19-22, 11:47am
Starting to see more scary news articles about new Covid variants that escape immunity. Who knows what is so anymore? Makes my stomach turn to think we might go through this once again. More shots...
I had a bad case of the flu about 30 years ago and ever since I've had the annual flu shot and never had the flu again and never a reaction to the shot. So there you go.
My once a year or so common colds dropped off significantly when I quit work, so there's something to be said for that.
My doctor recommended getting the flu shot early this year.
I may have had the flu in '94, but I think that was just a heavy cold. I don't remember having had a cold since. I believe I caught the flu once or twice in my salad days, but I don't remember it being life-changing. Yes--retirement is an affective inoculation against most ills, I've found.
My sister forwarded me an article a week ago about one of the high schools in San Diego where almost half the students are out with the flu.
Two of my acquaintances think they have had it recently. Both fell under the description of "sicker than a dog" and thought they might have Covid, but tested negative a few times including one PCR test at the doctors. One called in sick for about a week but bounced back pretty well. The other has fibromyalgia and says he was pretty much laid out flat for a week and felt poorly for another week or more and still isn't up to speed. I'm not sure whether they had the flu shot or not, but it probably was too early for a lot of people to think about it.
happystuff
10-20-22, 8:53am
I was wondering... are the COVID tests that I got "free" through the mail able to test for the newest variants?
The home covid tests do work with the new variants but because they aren't as sensitive as the PCR tests one has to go to a healthcare provider for the home tests give false negatives some of the time. The NY Times had an article a few weeks ago about this and what is believed to be happening is that people who are fully vaxxed/boosted tend to generate a quick immune response so the viral load when they do become infected is not as high. My SIL had a moderate case around that time and never tested positive, even with PCR tests but the symptoms were classic covid, including loss of taste/smell. One of the nurses administering the PCR test to her said the same happened to her and then on day 8 of feeling awful she finally tested positive.
happystuff
10-20-22, 11:43am
Thanks, jp. Good info.
I'm wondering if people are taking any special precautions over the holidays?
I'm getting the impression from any social contacts or the media that it's maybe 90 percent or something back to pre-pandemic life. Schools and gatherings like sporting events are back to the usual. My local theater than I have season tickets for has dropped the requirements for proof of vaccination and of course, masks. I went to the first of the season last month, but am uncertain about winter performances. Last year the annual Holiday performances were cancelled mid-way due to the actors getting covid. Just examples and not to mention other family and social gatherings.
The news is saying the dominants strains are new have some immune evasion of vaccinations or previous infections and may be resistant to anti virals. I know of two people who have had covid in the last few months. No one got very sick, but both were vaccinated. What they are calling community transmission in my county has been low for some time. I've thought to keep an eye on that as an indicator. I'm not comfortable in relatively crowded indoor places where there are strangers of unknown health precautions, but maybe just behavior from recent conditioning.
I was going to go to a Christmas music event that’s a fundraiser for a Chicago Maritime Museum. Folk music of the Great Lakes. But the room is long and low and people are packed in - or at least they were in 2018 and 2019. This is the first time doing the event since 2019. I really wanted to go but then I remembered how everyone is packed in, and so I’ll not go this year. Cases are starting to increase here again.
That would be the only special event I go to at the holidays that is somewhere I don’t usually go. Church as usual and I’ll be at friends’ for T’giving. I’ll be driving back from cave diving in FL on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, so no gatherings. I’ll be with friends a lot in FL, but they have a camp and we hang around outside and have potluck meals.
iris lilies
11-13-22, 11:43pm
Tradd, I surely do not want you to get sick before your Christmas diving event that would be tragic.
I’m sure people around here are Going back to normal. I’m living a normal life. I see lots and lots of masks in St. Louis. I don’t see any masks in Hermann other than at the hospital, and that’s not even required it’s just required if you as a visitor have been sick or fevered or whatever the list is. The staff wear masks but they pull them down to talk.
I still exercise reasonable precautions when in public spaces and will continue to do so for a while.
sweetana3
11-14-22, 5:30am
After just getting over the "common cold" (negative covid tests), it was so awful that I am increasing my vigilance over being in groups. Had a scare that almost involved an ER visit so I do not want to get it or anything like it for awhile. I am fully vaccinated and got the flu shot too.
rosarugosa
11-14-22, 7:29am
I still exercise reasonable precautions when in public spaces and will continue to do so for a while.
Same here. No large gatherings are planned, but those aren't my favorite even under pre-Covid circumstances.
happystuff
11-14-22, 10:21am
I still exercise reasonable precautions when in public spaces and will continue to do so for a while.
Ditto. Still masking for stores, which are starting to fill with holiday shoppers.
iris lilies
11-14-22, 10:52am
After just getting over the "common cold" (negative covid tests), it was so awful that I am increasing my vigilance over being in groups. Had a scare that almost involved an ER visit so I do not want to get it or anything like it for awhile. I am fully vaccinated and got the flu shot too.
Last week I got a flu shot and second Covid booster.
Tradd, I surely do not want you to get sick before your Christmas diving event that would be tragic.
I’m sure people around here are Going back to normal. I’m living a normal life. I see lots and lots of masks in St. Louis. I don’t see any masks in Hermann other than at the hospital, and that’s not even required it’s just required if you as a visitor have been sick or fevered or whatever the list is. The staff wear masks but they pull them down to talk.
Thanks. Got my second booster and flu shot a few weeks back.
We’re not traveling at all this holiday season for various reasons not directly related to covid. Other than that we’ll only be going to two holiday parties. One will be small (maybe ten people) and the other will be outdoors (a lighted boat parade on the canal behind a friend’s house so the party will take place on her deck that has a propane fire pit and basket of blankets.). There are a couple of work related holiday parties that I will get invited to but I am not planning on attending.
We’ve both been bivalent boosted and flu shotted so hopefully if we do come in contact with covid we’ll be defended. My phone has informed me twice in the past six weeks that I’ve been exposed but neither time resulted in me having a case of covid. (Based on when the exposures occurred both times were when I was traveling for work and likely someone in an airport or on an airplane in which case I would have been KN95 masked the whole time. )
Hoping I get exposed to a normal number of viruses. I don't want to be like those poor kids who never were because they were locked down for two years and now RSV is exploding and threatening to overwhelm hospitals. The immune system needs to be exposed to germs to develop normally.
iris lilies
11-15-22, 12:09pm
We are having a parade of people through our house. Two lunch parties and one overnight guest so far.
Today friends come from out of state for 3 days. Will have several people in for that visit including an overnight guest.
And then, my brother and wife are coming for Thanksgiving to stay a few days.
Teacher Terry
11-15-22, 1:23pm
I have been back to normal since 3/21 and mask less unless required. I have a trip to Europe booked for 4/1.
iris lilies
11-15-22, 2:20pm
I have been back to normal since 3/21 and mask less unless required. I have a trip to Europe booked for 4/1.
Oh where are you going!?? I want to get to Europe but I’m having to dodge flower shows now.
pinkytoe
11-16-22, 10:33pm
Headed to spend T'Giving with grand-twins so who knows how we will hold up - they are little vectors for whatever is going around. They are on the mend from either RSV or flu though it wasn't too bad. Just read that a new strain of Ebola is spreading in Uganda so travelers from that area to the US are supposedly being monitored. That disease scares me far more than Covid.
Teacher Terry
11-17-22, 1:08am
I am taking a 11 day trip staying 2 nights in each city except for one. Starting in Zurich, Munich, Salzburg, Vienna and Prague. I am going in April.
Headed to spend T'Giving with grand-twins so who knows how we will hold up - they are little vectors for whatever is going around.
Great message to give kids - you are disease vectors. If you breathe on your grandparents you can kill them. While adults including politicians partied maskless in bars and restaurants and stadiums filled with tens of thousands of people (including doctors at medical conferences) even if you had special needs that made wearing a mask difficult, you had to so all day long in school, because the vast majority of the pandemic response fell on your tiny shoulders, including in New York City that for the better part of a year masked toddlers and only toddlers. Schools were closed as nonessential but liquor stores and pot shops remained open. Why do we hate children so much in this country?
pinkytoe
11-17-22, 11:34am
My comment about kiddos is based on my experience raising and being around them - especially those under a certain age. They put their fingers in their noses and mouths and touch everything they can. Perhaps they are busy building their own immune systems but most are real good at catching whatever is going around.
Simplemind
11-17-22, 1:21pm
Excited for you Teacher Terry. I really want to get back to travel. It has been a long dry spell since 2020.
Teacher Terry
11-17-22, 11:17pm
Thanks Simple mind. I am excited. Pinky, yes kids are little germ carriers. We all love kids but can recognize the obvious.
iris lilies
11-18-22, 10:07am
Great message to give kids - you are disease vectors. If you breathe on your grandparents you can kill them. While adults including politicians partied maskless in bars and restaurants and stadiums filled with tens of thousands of people (including doctors at medical conferences) even if you had special needs that made wearing a mask difficult, you had to so all day long in school, because the vast majority of the pandemic response fell on your tiny shoulders, including in New York City that for the better part of a year masked toddlers and only toddlers. Schools were closed as nonessential but liquor stores and pot shops remained open. Why do we hate children so much in this country?
oh for heaven’s sake, jep, the little snot nosed ones just ARE worse at spreading any communicable disease. We dont hate them, instead we recognize their differing habits.
iris lilies
11-18-22, 10:08am
I am taking a 11 day trip staying 2 nights in each city except for one. Starting in Zurich, Munich, Salzburg, Vienna and Prague. I am going in April.
That sounds really nice!
rosarugosa
11-18-22, 1:41pm
A former manager once described them as "little petri dishes" breeding all kinds of germs. Anecdotally, I've noticed that people with little kids seem to get a lot more colds and viruses.
rosarugosa
11-18-22, 1:42pm
I am taking a 11 day trip staying 2 nights in each city except for one. Starting in Zurich, Munich, Salzburg, Vienna and Prague. I am going in April.
I wish you a wonderful time, especially after your illness in Ireland.
littlebittybobby
11-20-22, 1:34pm
Okay---I'm gonna add this one to the kid-hating pile-on. In my years o' working at numerous businesses, is what you have are the guys who drag themselves into work, even though they are sick. The story is that the kids brought home the bug that Dad caught, but he can't afford to miss work, or the boss might sanction him. Plus, he needs the $$$ to support the little buggers. And then--you get sick, too. Yep. They are vectors o' communicable disease, all right. Employers needta insist sick people stay home. That's what sick days are for. Hope that helps you some. Thankk Mee.
Teacher Terry
11-21-22, 2:17pm
Thanks everybody I am really looking forward to my trip in 4 months:)).
Little kids get more colds because that is how the body works, immunity is learned through exposure. They are doing exactly what they need to do for the survival of the species.
But yeah, if you don't like kids and think they are germy, definitely stay away from them.
frugal-one
11-21-22, 9:42pm
Just heard dear friends in Canada now are very sick with Covid. The talk here is that the flu is rampant and respiratory ailments for kids and elders is on the rise. May be time to don masks again?
Just heard dear friends in Canada now are very sick with Covid. The talk here is that the flu is rampant and respiratory ailments for kids and elders is on the rise. May be time to don masks again?
https://www.statnews.com/2022/11/21/how-infectious-disease-experts-are-responding-to-covid-nearly-three-years-in/
https://www.statnews.com/2022/11/21/how-infectious-disease-experts-are-responding-to-covid-nearly-three-years-in/
That's pretty interesting. I'm probably more conservative than the infectious disease experts, but I suspect I'm in a higher risk age group.
rosarugosa
11-22-22, 6:57am
https://www.statnews.com/2022/11/21/how-infectious-disease-experts-are-responding-to-covid-nearly-three-years-in/
That was interesting; thanks for sharing, Bae. We are still taking precautions but are becoming so much in the minority, that I've been wondering if we're been extreme. The article provides me with some reassurance to stay the course.
frugal-one
11-22-22, 7:29am
I was always masking but have become more lax since receiving all boosters and the flu vaccines. Here in TX few are wearing masks anywhere. We will be going to the hall for Thanksgiving. It does make me pause but the time has come (in my mind) to get back to living. There will be times when I still mask but cannot continue being totally isolated.
Just heard dear friends in Canada now are very sick with Covid. The talk here is that the flu is rampant and respiratory ailments for kids and elders is on the rise. May be time to don masks again?
Masks were never recommended for RSV pre-covid because adjusting and tugging on the mask led kids to have greater contact between their hands and their faces, spreading the virus. But yeah, let's grasp at ineffective straws because doing something even if it's counterproductive has to better than doing nothing.
Masks were never recommended for RSV pre-covid because adjusting and tugging on the mask led kids to have greater contact between their hands and their faces, spreading the virus. But yeah, let's grasp at ineffective straws because doing something even if it's counterproductive has to better than doing nothing.
Please don't take medical advice from Yppej.
flowerseverywhere
11-24-22, 7:33am
I was shocked last week when we went to an appointment at the major cancer center DH goes to. Masks are no longer mandatory but recommended. I would say 30% had n-95 types. Only about 10% had none. I anticipate that non masking will become the norm.
We are visiting mom for Christmas. At 96 and failing we all decided that it was more important to see her than let her not see her family. Since we will be coming from all over she will be at significant risk. Most of us have had Covid. All are vaccinated and boosted if required. It wasn't too difficult of a decision. Dying without seeing her family's faces is what she absolutely does not want and it is only a matter of time.
Isolation is very debilitating to the elderly.
The boss said not everyone can take off at the same time around Thanksgiving.
Employee #1 said he had cancer and was in the hospital. We called patient information to get his room number so we could send a card. They said he wasn't a patient.
Employee #2 called in for two days.
Employee #3 came in for a half day then said, "I think I have covid" and left. Texted the boss claiming he has a positive covid test. Earlier this year he was out 10 days supposedly with covid. We'll see if it's another 10 now. He's salaried so he still gets paid.
Earlier in the fall another guy went on the week + he had approved for his honeymoon, then claimed he had covid and got another week off.
If you have an employer that is gullible you can say you took a home test, never show anyone the results, and get as much time off as you want since people can get covid again and again. Neither vaccines or natural immunity stop it.
If push comes to shove and the employer asks to see the test, you can pour juice or other things on it to get a positive. Kids figured out how to do this when they wanted to miss school.
Covid, the excuse that keeps on giving.
iris lilies
11-27-22, 12:59pm
I was shocked last week when we went to an appointment at the major cancer center DH goes to. Masks are no longer mandatory but recommended. I would say 30% had n-95 types. Only about 10% had none. I anticipate that non masking will become the norm.
We are visiting mom for Christmas. At 96 and failing we all decided that it was more important to see her than let her not see her family. Since we will be coming from all over she will be at significant risk. Most of us have had Covid. All are vaccinated and boosted if required. It wasn't too difficult of a decision. Dying without seeing her family's faces is what she absolutely does not want and it is only a matter of time.
Isolation is very debilitating to the elderly.
Rumor was that there were 2 suicides in ?st. Louis at one of the posh step-down senior facilities during the height of COvid. I am not sure how true that is.
yes, the isolation was very hard on senior citizens in care.
sweetana3
11-27-22, 7:11pm
As an asthmatic, I think I am more likely to die of the common cold virus, RSV or the flu than Covid. I have all the shots I can get and still got the common cold. Thought about going to the ER but got a little better. Got it from husband so wearing a mask would likely have not helped.
Rumor was that there were 2 suicides in ?st. Louis at one of the posh step-down senior facilities during the height of COvid. I am not sure how true that is.
yes, the isolation was very hard on senior citizens in care.
"In care" must be the operative qualifier here. As an introvert, I can't relate.
And how easy is it for people "in care" to commit suicide?
iris lilies
11-27-22, 8:52pm
"In care" must be the operative qualifier here. As an introvert, I can't relate.
And how easy is it for people "in care" to commit suicide?
I’m glad you asked that question Jane because I omitted the grizzly details.
Supposedly both of these elderly gentleman lept from their upper level floors.
Rather dramatic, eh? That’s why I really wonder if it’s true.
I’m glad you asked that question Jane because I omitted the grizzly details.
Supposedly both of these elderly gentleman lept from their upper level floors.
Rather dramatic, eh? That’s why I really wonder if it’s true.
How Putinesque!
Just learned that a dear professional colleague passed away from covid over the weekend. He was my age but immune compromised for the last decade because of an organ transplant. His docs had recommended multiple vaccinations to try and build up his immune system, which he did, but apparently it didn’t work.
I’m heartbroken. He was doing fine two months ago when I last saw him. Hug your loved ones. You never know what tomorrow may bring.
I am so sorry, jp1. I saw what Covid did in my parents' assisted living, and the isolation, fear, and hopelessness has been the worst part of this disease.
I am sorry about your friend.
So the latest is we are putting restrictions on travellers from China, because that worked so well last time :(
frugal-one
12-29-22, 1:57pm
Went for a walk today in the park. This is the first time since I contracted covid. It surprised me on how many people asked me where I had been. It is 80 degrees and very windy here today (very pleasant). I am keeping my distance from people and dogs in case I am still infectious. I am still a little tired and have a few cold-like symptoms but doing fairly well. Hopefully, back to normal next week?
Went for a walk today in the park. This is the first time since I contracted covid. It surprised me on how many people asked me where I had been. It is 80 degrees and very windy here today (very pleasant). I am keeping my distance from people and dogs in case I am still infectious. I am still a little tired and have a few cold-like symptoms but doing fairly well. Hopefully, back to normal next week?
Fingers crossed, and I am so glad to hear you are up and about!
My recovery was pretty quick too and my taste/smell is mostly back. Have noticed a handful of people at our park wearing masks and/or veering six feet away when they get close. Just like the good old days...
I just tested positive this morning. Yesterday was my errand day in Santa Fe and about halfway through running around I started feeling a bit off, like I was coming down with a head cold. Bad body aches last night when I went to bed but I chalked it off to my first workout in a week at the gym. This morning I felt crappy and uninterested in doing anything so my husband insisted I take a test. After successfully dodging it the past few years I was a little shocked when that pink line showed up!
Nothing too bad so far - headache, sinus congestion, tiredness, lack of appetite (which is fine with me as I need to lose a few pounds). No official fever though, but with me it's hard to tell. My normal temperature is usually 96-97, but I've had some sweats and chills.
rosarugosa
12-30-22, 7:59am
I am sorry about your colleague, JP.
I'm glad you are having smooth recoveries, FO and PT. I wish the same for you, SQ.
A friend and her husband just got their fifth shot. Five! The mind reels.
iris lilies
12-30-22, 2:18pm
A friend and her husband just got their fifth shot. Five! The mind reels.
Well would it just become an annual thing though? Like a flu shot? One more thing to sell us?
I took a Covid test this morning since I had a respiratory thing hit me yesterday even though it seemed more like allergies than anything else. It was negative.
frugal-one
12-30-22, 5:38pm
Fingers crossed, and I am so glad to hear you are up and about!
Thank you. Hope you are doing well too!
Well would it just become an annual thing though? Like a flu shot? One more thing to sell us?
I took a Covid test this morning since I had a respiratory thing hit me yesterday even though it seemed more like allergies than anything else. It was negative.
When I find myself coming down with a respiratory bug, I generally take a hit of saline spray, a vitamin C tablet, and some zinc. Maybe it's the placebo effect (which I'm an enthusiastic supporter of), but it works every time.
I imagine we'll be exhorted to get COVID shots every year, though like flu shots, they'll rarely catch up with the current strain in play. Pharma gets its money, one way or the other--or by hook or by crook, you might say.
happystuff
12-30-22, 7:25pm
So sorry for the loss of your friend, jp.
Glad to hear those who had tested positive recently are recovering.
One of my kids just tested positive this morning. Symptomatic. So far no one else has tested positive. I'm still on my course of antibiotics for my sinus infection, etc., so don't know if that will make a difference or not.
frugal-one
12-30-22, 9:25pm
Hope you feel better soon happy…. and no one else gets sick!
I've had all 5 vaccines as well. The previous vaccines provided only a few months immunity; the most recent vaccine is predicted to provide a years' immunity. The goal for next year is a combo flu/COVID vaccine in the fall, which would provide some immunity for the winter season, when all respiratory viruses peak. Most years the flu vaccine is right on target for the predicted strains, and the U.S. has approx. 20,000 - 30,000 deaths annually from complications from the flu. On the years when the strain is unexpected, the deaths can rise as high as 60,000 annually. Covid's mortality rate is, of course, much higher. I'll be getting the flu/COVID booster next fall as well. I'm a big fan of pro-activity in health, including preventative screenings & vaccines. My reasoning is demonstrated in the "Penn and Teller on Vaccinations" short cliip (about 1 1/2 minutes) on Youtube. I'm not tech-savvy enough to link it here. I hope and pray we will never see another time when COVID was as bad as it was when it first hit, when we had no vaccines and no treatments.
Dax Tejera is the latest young person to die suddenly of a heart attack.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2022/12/25/dax-tejera-dies-abc-news-executive-producer-37/10952405002/
I've had all 5 vaccines as well. The previous vaccines provided only a few months immunity; the most recent vaccine is predicted to provide a years' immunity. The goal for next year is a combo flu/COVID vaccine in the fall, which would provide some immunity for the winter season, when all respiratory viruses peak. Most years the flu vaccine is right on target for the predicted strains, and the U.S. has approx. 20,000 - 30,000 deaths annually from complications from the flu. On the years when the strain is unexpected, the deaths can rise as high as 60,000 annually. Covid's mortality rate is, of course, much higher. I'll be getting the flu/COVID booster next fall as well. I'm a big fan of pro-activity in health, including preventative screenings & vaccines. My reasoning is demonstrated in the "Penn and Teller on Vaccinations" short cliip (about 1 1/2 minutes) on Youtube. I'm not tech-savvy enough to link it here. I hope and pray we will never see another time when COVID was as bad as it was when it first hit, when we had no vaccines and no treatments.
That was good, Befree! Here is a link: https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo
"It’s estimated that up to 11% of Americans catch the flu virus each year — with some experiencing more severe symptoms and requiring hospitalization.
In recent years, the flu shot has provided around 43% protection against disease.
However, year-to-year, that level has ranged widely: from 60% in the 2010-2011 flu season to 19% in the 2014-2015 flu season." (Healthline)
I'm being proactive against the negligible chance of catching a serious case of the flu by limiting my exposure.
I could get some mixed messages from the mainstream news. but my impression from what they've seen with the mRNA vaccines is that it isn't all that effective in preventing a symptomatic infection after just a couple or few months, especially with evolving variants. It is effective at preventing severe illness, relative to unvaccinated people, for several or many months yet to be determined. I suspect the same or similar could be true of the flu vaccine.
The goal at this point is to use mRNA technology to make both flu and covid vaccines that are broadly effective against most variants of the two virus types. The researchers seem to think that doing so for the flu will actually be more difficult because they think the most likely approach for that is a vaccine that targets most of the main H strains (a vaccine that is effective against h1n42 is equally effective against h1n21, etc. The problem is that there are something like 24 different H strains of flu virus and each has to be targeted individually by any vaccine that will protect against them all.). For the universal covid vaccine the plan at this point is to just target a part of the virus that has proven more stable across all the variants, which is believed to be actually an easier task since it requires developing a vaccine that targets one specific thing. Theoretically no more difficult than how the original covid vaccines targeted the original spike protein.
Dax Tejera is the latest young person to die suddenly of a heart attack.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2022/12/25/dax-tejera-dies-abc-news-executive-producer-37/10952405002/
Nice to know I'm not the only one here who questions the covid narrative.
My father passed away in 22 after a long battle with diabetes. He death certificate says death by covid. My mother,as well as myself found this offensive. Apparently, just before his death, he tested positive for covid.
I am convinced that the actual covid death count in this country has been exaggerated for the financial benefit of the healthcare industry. I'm also convinced that covid vaccine injuries have been underreported.
Disclaimer: I barely made it through high school. I'm not a healthcare provider, and neither is Bill Gates.
I found this interesting from the Mayo Clinic, about the different types of Covid vaccines:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/different-types-of-covid-19-vaccines/art-20506465
I do not want any more mRNA vaccines and I would not get a combination flu/Covid vaccine. But that's just me.
happystuff
1-2-23, 10:10am
Nice to know I'm not the only one here who questions the covid narrative.
My father passed away in 22 after a long battle with diabetes. He death certificate says death by covid. My mother,as well as myself found this offensive. Apparently, just before his death, he tested positive for covid.
I am convinced that the actual covid death count in this country has been exaggerated for the financial benefit of the healthcare industry. I'm also convinced that covid vaccine injuries have been underreported.
Disclaimer: I barely made it through high school. I'm not a healthcare provider, and neither is Bill Gates.
So sorry for your loss.
I guess my question is - might your father still be alive battling diabetes if he hadn't caught covid? If the answer is "no", then fine. But if the answer is "yes" or even "maybe", then - in my opinion - it is a death by covid.
Disclaimer: I'm not a healthcare provider either and, again, this is just my opinion.
iris lilies
1-2-23, 10:38am
Nice to know I'm not the only one here who questions the covid narrative.
My father passed away in 22 after a long battle with diabetes. He death certificate says death by covid. My mother,as well as myself found this offensive. Apparently, just before his death, he tested positive for covid.
I am convinced that the actual covid death count in this country has been exaggerated for the financial benefit of the healthcare industry. I'm also convinced that covid vaccine injuries have been underreported.
Disclaimer: I barely made it through high school. I'm not a healthcare provider, and neither is Bill Gates.
Our government in its infinate wisdom incentivized the recording of COVID as means of death because it gave everyone $$$ for funeral expenses for .cOVID victims.
Our friend had the same thing happen…father in his 90’s in nursing home with multiple health problems got Covid, recovered, they made him take a Covid shot, he died very soon after. Likely covid shot had nothing to do with his death but they put “Covid” as means of death. His family was like you, skeptical of the whole Covid charade.
I can't remember when my older relatives have passed away, what the cause of death was officially listed as, but it seem to me like there was one primary cause of death and possibly a listing of other complications. There is usually one thing that pushes people with multiple health problems over the edge and that's what gets list as official. I don't see a big problem with that.
From what I have read, heart problems as a result of the mRNA shots is uncommon among young people and even more rare in older people. And both are treatable and rarely fatal. Yet I have heard of a few anecdotal reports of people dying from heart problems related to the covid shots. I'm not sure how of that I buy and how much is unrelated coincidence. Or if in those cases there were other issues that contributed to things, just like covid may exacerbate other serious health issues.
What's official and what are the confounding issues.
iris lilies
1-2-23, 11:48am
Dax Tejera is the latest young person to die suddenly of a heart attack.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2022/12/25/dax-tejera-dies-abc-news-executive-producer-37/10952405002/
How is this related to covid?
It would be worthwhile to investigate if the excess cardiac (myocarditis/pericarditis) problems and blood clots are more associated with COVID or the COVID vaccine, at least.
It would be worthwhile to investigate the lack of critical thinking skills possessed by large segments of the population.
That is interesting about the death certificate of your friend's father. My dad's was odd also--he died seven days after getting the Covid shot. I saw the first one the doctor wrote, and it said, natural causes. Then I saw one somewhere else--filed with the court, I think? And it said died from cancer. I don't know who changes these or why.
How is this related to covid?
Myocarditis is a known side effect of the mRNA vaccines and correlates with testosterone levels, so young males are disproportionately dying of it. In September New York Presbyterian Hospital even ran ad ad about myocarditis in children because it is becoming so common.
It would be worthwhile to investigate the lack of critical thinking skills possessed by large segments of the population.
Lots of people have critical thinking skills. If they are critical of something they think they possess more skills after watching a few random youtube videos than people who have dedicated their lifetimes to studying a subject.
Myocarditis also occurs more frequently in covid patients.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm
Let's not normalize heart attacks in children. Respiratory viruses don't do that.
Today a good friend of a good friend was running along the Portland waterfront with her usual jogging partner (female, 61), who, after asking to sit down for a moment, stood up, keeled over, and couldn't be resuscitated. I suppose fit 61-year old women die every day, but it's troubling.
Myocarditis also occurs more frequently in covid patients.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm
Amid the snark from people whose critical thinking skills are obviously more advanced than mine, I would like to know if the virus, the vaccine, or both might be implicated here, and--if so--what we can do about it.
I've responded to cardiac events, pre-covid, for people in their 20s and 30s.
I've responded to cardiac events, pre-covid, for people in their 20s and 30s.
Of course--often with undiagnosed medical conditions, drug interactions/overdoses, etc. I just want to know if this is a new phenomenon. That's all.
Teacher Terry
1-2-23, 11:50pm
A woman in my building lost all her hair after getting her Covid shot. They tried to bring it back with various treatments but nothing worked. As of now I have had 3 with the last being 10/21. Unless something drastic happens I am done. I think it will be 10-20 years before we really know all the side effects of the vaccine. No doubt they saved people’s lives but may have taken them as well.
ToomuchStuff
1-3-23, 12:44am
I've had three of the vaccine shots and decided against the fourth booster after a sibling and several of their kids responded negatively to the fourth (suddenly passing out with only seconds notice). Did lose several people I knew to COVID, some well, others not as much (service tech we used died along with his wife leaving a 10 year old behind in 2020). I had hoped I was lucky.
Last Wednesday night I felt what was normally allergy symptoms but the wrong time of the year for them. I knew another sibling we had just seen over Christmas was said to be getting the flu, so I assumed I caught that. Still tested to be on the safe side and tested positive last Thursday morning. Came home to quarantine and proceeded to spend most of the next three days unconscious more then awake and having breathing difficulties. Over the weekend, sibling had to rush m-i-l to hospital for emergency surgery, and she didn't make it, then flu turned into Covid.
Today was the first day in the shower, up and really moving about, laundry, house cleaning, etc. I thought I was going to end up in the hospital and on O2.
Friend reports the decedent had absolutely no history of heart or lung problems and had recently undergone a complete physical, which indicated arthritis, but everything else was fine. RIP, Lori.
I've had three of the vaccine shots and decided against the fourth booster after a sibling and several of their kids responded negatively to the fourth (suddenly passing out with only seconds notice). Did lose several people I knew to COVID, some well, others not as much (service tech we used died along with his wife leaving a 10 year old behind in 2020). I had hoped I was lucky.
Last Wednesday night I felt what was normally allergy symptoms but the wrong time of the year for them. I knew another sibling we had just seen over Christmas was said to be getting the flu, so I assumed I caught that. Still tested to be on the safe side and tested positive last Thursday morning. Came home to quarantine and proceeded to spend most of the next three days unconscious more then awake and having breathing difficulties. Over the weekend, sibling had to rush m-i-l to hospital for emergency surgery, and she didn't make it, then flu turned into Covid.
Today was the first day in the shower, up and really moving about, laundry, house cleaning, etc. I thought I was going to end up in the hospital and on O2.
Good grief! I'm glad you're on the mend. As my friend remarked, 2023 is off to a bad, bad start!
Good grief! I'm glad you're on the mend. As my friend remarked, 2023 is off to a bad, bad start!
Have any of the past recent years started off good?
Damar Hamlin is the latest person to suddenly collapse of cardiac arrest. A football hit doesn't normally result in this.
Damar Hamlin is the latest person to suddenly collapse of cardiac arrest. A football hit doesn't normally result in this.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/circep.111.962712
Hope you feel better soon TMS!
It would be worthwhile to investigate the lack of critical thinking skills possessed by large segments of the population.
I agree bae. Where you and I differ is in our sources from which we begin our critical thinking processes. As for myself, I've long had a general mistrust of government and other established institutions.Granted, I concede that your intelligence far exceeds my own.
Over the years, I've always respected your deep thinking opinions. It shocks me that we find ourselves polar opposites on this particular topic.
TMS: Glad you are on the mend!
Hope you are back to a hundred percent soon, Toomuchstuff!
iris lilies
1-3-23, 10:56am
Have any of the past recent years started off good?
Joe Biden in the White House?
iris lilies
1-3-23, 11:00am
My brother, a respiratory therapist with decades of experience, had a covid booster and within 2-3 days experienced a myocarditis incident, briefly hospitalized.
He said he will not take another Covid MRNA vaccine. Since he doesn’t do direct patient care but works in a management/IT position, he won’t have to take it to keep a job.
Teacher Terry
1-3-23, 11:08am
Jane, do you know if the woman that died jogging had a recent Covid shot?
Jane, do you know if the woman that died jogging had a recent Covid shot?
I asked, but didn't get a reply. Friend probably doesn't know.
I agree bae. Where you and I differ is in our sources from which we begin our critical thinking processes. As for myself, I've long had a general mistrust of government and other established institutions.Granted, I concede that your intelligence far exceeds my own.
Over the years, I've always respected your deep thinking opinions. It shocks me that we find ourselves polar opposites on this particular topic.
I've long believed that questioning authority is a hallmark of critical thinking. But what do I know. :(
Yesterday on my sixth day of Covid, I retested myself and was still positive. My biggest symptom is still fatigue, with a bit of sneezing and stuffed up head. According to the CDC, it is okay for me to go out in the public if I am masked up (which I do anyway). I really need to get to the grocery store and to pick up a book I reserved at the library. It'll be nice to get out for a bit; that with the drive to Santa Fe and back will tucker me out for the rest of the day, I'm sure.
My next work day is scheduled for Sunday and Monday. Hopefully I will feel up to sitting in that uncomfortable wooden chair for 7 hours.
ApatheticNoMore
1-3-23, 3:01pm
I've long believed that questioning authority is a hallmark of critical thinking. But what do I know.
there is official "authority" the government or whatever (and they have not been great at handling covid). And then there are thousands of grifters making money off of "questioning authority" that one also has to be wary of. Maybe the whole "question authority" thing worked better when there was more of a consensus reality to question. Now one is as likely to "question authority" and fall for ever bigger nonsense and someone is making money off it. Ok the point is not don't question authority or something but yea it's a vipers den out there.
On vaccines the choice was take our chances on the vaccine (billions admistered worldwide) or take our chances on the virus unvaxed. Going back to 2019 when covid didn't exist wasn't a choice (of course it would be preferable) And few could completely for certain avoid both vaxes and covid exposure (not everyone has had covid but almost everyone has potentially had exposure). And the virus unvaxed, yea nah pass.
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On vaccines the choice was take our chances on the vaccine (billions admistered worldwide) or take our chances on the virus unvaxed. Going back to 2019 when covid didn't exist wasn't a choice (of course it would be preferable) And few could completely for certain avoid both vaxes and covid exposure (not everyone has had covid but almost everyone has potentially had exposure). And the virus unvaxed, yea nah pass.
Given the virulence of the virus circa 2019, my age and condition, gambling on the vaccine seemed like a wise choice for me. Not being clairvoyant, I couldn't see that COVID would mutate into a milder form and that I could have waited it out at home for as long as it took. And I still don't regret getting the (non mRNA) J&J shot. But I respect other people's decisions to wait and see, bolster their immune systems, avoid crowds, and take other precautions, both to protect themselves and others. It's always wise to wait until a new drug has been on the market for a few years before choosing to take it, and I believe the same is true for vaccines. But it seemed in the moment we didn't have that luxury.
I will never stop questioning authority.
iris lilies
1-3-23, 4:14pm
Given the virulence of the virus circa 2019, my age and condition, gambling on the vaccine seemed like a wise choice for me. Not being clairvoyant, I couldn't see that COVID would mutate into a milder form and that I could have waited it out at home for as long as it took. And I still don't regret getting the (non mRNA) J&J shot. But I respect other people's decisions to wait and see, bolster their immune systems, avoid crowds, and take other precautions, both to protect themselves and others. It's always wise to wait until a new drug has been on the market for a few years before choosing to take it, and I believe the same is true for vaccines. But it seemed in the moment we didn't have that luxury.
I will never stop questioning authority.
I am old and vulnerable to serious Covid effects. But I do not expect the world to stop spinning and shut down to protect me. I expect ME to be the primary protector of ME.
I am old and vulnerable to serious Covid effects. But I do not expect the world to stop spinning and shut down to protect me. I expect ME to be the primary protector of ME.
In general, I agree--but some accommodations, like encouraging work from home, seemed like prudent and practical ways to protect the vulnerable, and not-so vulnerable.
ToomuchStuff
1-3-23, 5:32pm
Yesterday on my sixth day of Covid, I retested myself and was still positive. My biggest symptom is still fatigue, with a bit of sneezing and stuffed up head. According to the CDC, it is okay for me to go out in the public if I am masked up (which I do anyway). I really need to get to the grocery store and to pick up a book I reserved at the library. It'll be nice to get out for a bit; that with the drive to Santa Fe and back will tucker me out for the rest of the day, I'm sure.
My next work day is scheduled for Sunday and Monday. Hopefully I will feel up to sitting in that uncomfortable wooden chair for 7 hours.
Where exactly do you find actual current guidelines? The CDC website kind of sucks and I hear too many different answers. (and google is pulling up stuff that will date back to 2019)
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