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I found it on the New Mexico DOH, updated 11/22/22
https://cv.nmhealth.org/how-to-isolate-when-positive/
I find it silly that out the hundreds of viruses, flus, colds etc out there, there's only one you're supposed to quarantine for though all make the average person about as sick as the others.
I find it silly that people think that a virus that is still killing 400 Americans daily on average, or 145,000/year is on par with colds that kill few people each year or even flu, which in the worst of the past 10 years killed around 52,000 people. The normalization of that level of death is depressing.
I find it silly that people think that a virus that is still killing 400 Americans daily on average, or 145,000/year is on par with colds that kill few people each year or even flu, which in the worst of the past 10 years killed around 52,000 people. The normalization of that level of death is depressing.
Most flu deaths are reported as pneumonia deaths instead.
Let's shut down the hospitals for all but covid cases. Let's scare people so even when they reopen they don't go for cancer screenings. Let's pump them with vaccines that cause heart problems. Let's isolate them so depression, suicide attempts, and addiction rates soar. Let's lock them down with their abusers. Let's close the schools where most child abuse is detected and where many LGBTQIA+ youth find much needed support. Only covid this one illness matters or you are a heartless grandma killer, you disgusting viral vector who wants to interact with other human beings in person, how dare you? Meanwhile JP stands for jet plane as he flies around the country.
Let's shut down the hospitals for all but covid cases. Let's scare people so even when they reopen they don't go for cancer screenings. Let's pump them with vaccines that cause heart problems. Let's isolate them so depression, suicide attempts, and addiction rates soar. Let's lock them down with their abusers. Let's close the schools where most child abuse is detected and where many LGBTQIA+ youth find much needed support. Only covid this one illness matters or you are a heartless grandma killer, you disgusting viral vector who wants to interact with other human beings in person, how dare you? Meanwhile JP stands for jet plane as he flies around the country.
Lets bring out a sad sack laundry list of oldie moldy complaints from the past that largely don't exist anymore because that's all our pathetic selves have to justify our lack of concern for the frail among us. Channeling one's inner Dan Patrick isn't a good look for anybody.
I find it silly that people think that a virus that is still killing 400 Americans daily on average, or 145,000/year is on par with colds that kill few people each year or even flu, which in the worst of the past 10 years killed around 52,000 people. The normalization of that level of death is depressing.
Using the CDC's own data; Sep21 covid deaths 77% among unvaxed, 23% vaxed. By Aug 22 deaths 42% unvaxed, 58% vaxed to fully vaxed.. Anyone see a pattern here?
Also unrelated to CDC, 2020 29 European soccer players collapsed on field from a cardiac issues. 2021 and 2022 1598 players collapsed on field from cardiac issues, over 1100 deaths. What could possibly have changed from 2020 to 2021, any guesses?
Any Monday Night Football fans here?
I'm sure the Ministry of Truth fact checkers are on the case.
My gosh people, how can anyone defend this great human experimental disaster at this point?
I live in a county that’s 99% fully vaxxed. If anyone dies from covid here they will be vaxxed. Across the US as a whole 81% of people have gotten at least one dose. So yes, I see a pattern here. When the vast majority of people have gotten vaccinated it’s likely that deaths will be mainly among vaccinated people.
But I’m not sure what any of this has to do with my previous post. If you are cool with 400 Americans dying day after day from covid and don’t want to take any steps to try to not add someone who has the misfortune of coming near you when you are sick to that statistic, then great, be like yppej and rock on with your deadly self. Personally I will continue to test myself when I feel sick and stay the **** home if I test positive. Because I’m not an asshole.
jp1 we may have to agree to disagree on that last sentence.
Cx3 it's not just soccer and football, but tennis :
https://thelibertydaily.com/buried-bombshell-tennis-world-rocked-as-fifteen-fully-vaccinated-players-unable-to-finish-miami-open/
Novak Djokovic is one smart man.
If you only stay home when your test is positive but otherwise go around spreading flu, RSV, strep A, etc you are the real a-hole for thinking only one illness matters.
Using the CDC's own data; Sep21 covid deaths 77% among unvaxed, 23% vaxed. By Aug 22 deaths 42% unvaxed, 58% vaxed to fully vaxed.. Anyone see a pattern here?
Also unrelated to CDC, 2020 29 European soccer players collapsed on field from a cardiac issues. 2021 and 2022 1598 players collapsed on field from cardiac issues, over 1100 deaths. What could possibly have changed from 2020 to 2021, any guesses?
Any Monday Night Football fans here?
I'm sure the Ministry of Truth fact checkers are on the case.
My gosh people, how can anyone defend this great human experimental disaster at this point?
I have just gotten over covid. Thank God I was vaccinated! I’m sure it saved me! There are many unvaxxed people who are now underground because of either stupidly or misinformation.
happystuff
1-5-23, 11:51am
Child with covid is still home. Was supposed to go back to work today, but was sounding so horrible and still not feeling even 80% better, is taking today and maybe even tomorrow off. Work gives 5 days regardless of retest results or active symptoms. >:(
Using the CDC's own data; Sep21 covid deaths 77% among unvaxed, 23% vaxed. By Aug 22 deaths 42% unvaxed, 58% vaxed to fully vaxed.. Anyone see a pattern here?
Also unrelated to CDC, 2020 29 European soccer players collapsed on field from a cardiac issues. 2021 and 2022 1598 players collapsed on field from cardiac issues, over 1100 deaths. What could possibly have changed from 2020 to 2021, any guesses?
Any Monday Night Football fans here?
I'm sure the Ministry of Truth fact checkers are on the case.
My gosh people, how can anyone defend this great human experimental disaster at this point?
I don't know about the ministry of truth, but politifact is on the case.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jun/23/instagram-posts/claims-connecting-sudden-death-athletes-covid-19-v/
It seems like someone here mentioned that the government cause of death figures and government in general can't be trusted, so I'm not sure why you should trust your CDC data either.
ApatheticNoMore
1-5-23, 2:13pm
Using the CDC's own data; Sep21 covid deaths 77% among unvaxed, 23% vaxed. By Aug 22 deaths 42% unvaxed, 58% vaxed to fully vaxed.. Anyone see a pattern here?
the thing is most people in the u.s. have had at least one and often at least 2-3 vaccinations. So of course there are going to be more deaths among the vaxed, there are more vaxed people. Let's say more vaxed people are dying in auto accidents, but that's just because more people are vaxed, so the liklihood of someone dying in an auto-accident having had the vax is greater than them not having had it. I am leaving aside that those more likely to be vaxed are probably those most vulnerable to covid, because vaccination is pretty widespread across the board, but vaccination is higher among those 65 and up.
Also unrelated to CDC, 2020 29 European soccer players collapsed on field from a cardiac issues. 2021 and 2022 1598 players collapsed on field from cardiac issues, over 1100 deaths. What could possibly have changed from 2020 to 2021, any guesses?
I don't know if it's happening, truthfully I mostly hear anecdotes about sudden death, and I can't conclude much from them, but Rogar already posted on this. But also what has changed is covid itself. Isn't that a good guess that it would be long term complications from having had covid?
There are a lot of conflicting figures on covid deaths and sicknesses and there are people who play a fast and furious game with numbers. I personally have a reasonable amount of faith that the government is acting in our best interest and it least in larger issues thy are not hiding things, and hiding things like significant risk from vaccination falls into the category of fringe conspiracies. Having lived through the Nixon and Trump years, I can understand distrust of politics but I have a little more faith in medical science.
Those who distrust the government health agencies can usually go to source articles or can reference academic experts such as This Week in Virology or compare with other countries. There are more than one or a several reliable sources that tend to generally agree with the CDC.
Using the CDC's own data; Sep21 covid deaths 77% among unvaxed, 23% vaxed. By Aug 22 deaths 42% unvaxed, 58% vaxed to fully vaxed.. Anyone see a pattern here?
I see a consistent pattern of people without a basic grasp of statistics and simple algebra running into the weeds.
jp1 we may have to agree to disagree on that last sentence.
Haha! Fair enough. I may be an asshole but I'm not the kind of asshole who would go out in public if I knew I had a highly infectious disease that kills an average of 400 frail Americans every day. I'd probably also stay home if I had the flu even though it's a third as deadly and a lot less contagious, mainly because the few times in my adult life that I've had it I was thoroughly miserable.
ApatheticNoMore
1-5-23, 3:40pm
I have always thought people who go to work sick were assholes and with such a sense of entitlement. They think they are so important that not taking off some sick days is worth getting potentially several other people in the office who might take off sick days sick (that would be me because I tend to be just miserable and pretty worthless for anything when sick). Yea buddy you and your few days work you might miss, are just that much more important than everyone else.
I never thought of masks to protect myself when dealing with such assholes though. Now I know.
I see a consistent pattern of people without a basic grasp of statistics and simple algebra running into the weeds.
Tufts University, a science institution, has just stopped mandating covid-19 booster shots for their students. These people have a good grasp of advanced statistics and other branches of mathematics.
I'm embarrassed to admit I went to work sick more than once, even though I had full coverage/sick time, so could have stayed home. My only (weak) defense was that I worked alone, and someone would have had to be found to cover my shift, and I figured if I felt crappy at work it was par for the course anyway. Plus I'm famous for just sucking it up and soldiering through.
Tufts University, a science institution, has just stopped mandating covid-19 booster shots for their students. These people have a good grasp of advanced statistics and other branches of mathematics.
They must not have updated their web site, or it's something else and not that and Tucker was mis informed.
Tufts requires that all eligible students, faculty, staff, vendors, and affiliates have completed a COVID-19 vaccine primary series (two doses of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine or one dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine) and have received at least one booster dose.
The bivalent (Omicron) booster is no longer required, but it is strongly recommended.
Staying up to date on our vaccination is the best defense against illness and will help keep everyone on our campuses healthy.
Tufts University, a science institution, has just stopped mandating covid-19 booster shots for their students. These people have a good grasp of advanced statistics and other branches of mathematics.
Sophistry. And you know it.
I was responding to CX3's analysis of covid deaths in the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated population.
And not to the straw man you threw up to deflect and confuse.
"No sophistry, no jugglery in figures can explain away the evidence that the skeletons in many villages present to the naked eye." M.K.G.
Sophistry. And you know it.
I was responding to CX3's analysis of covid deaths in the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated population.
And not to the straw man you threw up to deflect and confuse.
"No sophistry, no jugglery in figures can explain away the evidence that the skeletons in many villages present to the naked eye." M.K.G.
You're not smarter than everyone else and you're not better either, but I'm sure you'll keep calling me names when I call you out on your superiority complex.
iris lilies
1-5-23, 9:41pm
Bae is smarter than I am but he’s not better than I am! And most importantly, he is not the boss of me.:~)
Another one bites the dust. The University of Illinois just dropped all covid testing and vaccination requirements, not just for boosters but for the original series of shots, for both students and staff.
And the forced masking of toddlers in Head Start programs is finally ending.
On Hamlin:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/damar-hamlin-cardiac-arrest/
Another one bites the dust.
Actually another 678 bit the dust in the US yesterday. But by all means carry on with your pathetic ‘muh freedumb’ campaign.
Actually another 678 bit the dust in the US yesterday. But by all means carry on with your pathetic ‘muh freedumb’ campaign.
And what is their average age?
A young male has a greater chance of dying from vaccine side effects than dying of covid. But by all means pursue a one size fits all strategy ignoring the facts. And when you get covid follow the script of thanking the vaccine and boosters that didn't prevent you from getting it by praising them, speculating that you would have had a more severe case otherwise.
Meanwhile, in the real world, the vaccines are prompting the virus to evolve to evade it. You're doing a heck of a job Brownie, a heck of a job!
happystuff
1-6-23, 11:15am
I have always thought people who go to work sick were assholes and with such a sense of entitlement. They think they are so important that not taking off some sick days is worth getting potentially several other people in the office who might take off sick days sick (that would be me because I tend to be just miserable and pretty worthless for anything when sick). Yea buddy you and your few days work you might miss, are just that much more important than everyone else.
I never thought of masks to protect myself when dealing with such assholes though. Now I know.
I have to disagree with you here. I have worked at jobs where there were no sicks days. If you stayed out sick, you didn't get paid. Plus, after three days, you would need a doctor's note for work - another expense when income is already being limited. I have gone to work when mildly sick, but always made it known that I wasn't feeling 100% and and stayed away from other people (as best as possible).
So, no, it's not always a "sense of entitlement", but more a sense of survival.
I have to disagree with you here. I have worked at jobs where there were no sicks days. If you stayed out sick, you didn't get paid. Plus, after three days, you would need a doctor's note for work - another expense when income is already being limited. I have gone to work when mildly sick, but always made it known that I wasn't feeling 100% and and stayed away from other people (as best as possible).
So, no, it's not always a "sense of entitlement", but more a sense of survival.
Yep. Railroad workers have no sick days thanks to Joe Biden busting their strike.
And what is their average age?
A young male has a greater chance of dying from vaccine side effects than dying of covid. But by all means pursue a one size fits all strategy ignoring the facts. And when you get covid follow the script of thanking the vaccine and boosters that didn't prevent you from getting it by praising them, speculating that you would have had a more severe case otherwise.
Meanwhile, in the real world, the vaccines are prompting the virus to evolve to evade it. You're doing a heck of a job Brownie, a heck of a job!
Not sure what any of this has to do with people being decent human beings and staying home if they have covid so that they don’t infect, and potentially kill, somebody else’s grandma or an immune compromised person?
Not sure what any of this has to do with people being decent human beings and staying home if they have covid so that they don’t infect, and potentially kill, somebody else’s grandma or an immune compromised person?
Your logical fallacy is that only covid can kill grandma. The flu or any number of other things can too, but you want covid to be so special.
You do know the quarantine recommendations are political right? It was 10 days until Christmas season 2021 when the airlines complained about the resulting labor shortages and then all of a sudden it was 5 days. It was 10 days if you're unvaxxed and 5 days if you're vaxxed based on ... absolutely nothing other than the desire to punish the unvaxxed. Maybe JP stands for Just Political not Jet Plane.
I don’t want covid to be special. But I can look at the ****ing numbers. It IS special. At least compared to flu.
By all means keep channeling your inner Dan Patrick. Thankfully I don’t know anyone who lives near you so you won’t be killing the grandmas of anyone I care about as you go about spewing your covid germs.
I'm FINALLY starting to feel better on Day 11 of the crud, mainly a little bit more energy and less congestion. I have no doubt in my mind that had I NOT been vaccinated and boosted that I would have been a whole lot more miserable. I was still testing positive the day before yesterday (Day 9). I'll retest next week because I have a neck injection coming up.
The best thing the average American can do to protect themselves against a bad covid outcome is to lose some weight, not get vaccinated. I have lost 30 pounds so far. YMMV.
SiouzQ, so glad to hear you are feeling better!
Yppej: "The best thing the average American can do to protect themselves against a bad covid outcome is to lose some weight, not get vaccinated. I have lost 30 pounds so far. YMMV."
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read, even coming from you. I mean, really?????? BTW, congrats on your weight loss.
ApatheticNoMore
1-8-23, 3:23pm
It's to wear an N95 or KN95 or N94 mask. Thank me as they say :). I have never had covid YMMV, well no it probably won't, masks work. Plus side to it: EAT CAKE. Btw nothing makes me want to eat a whole cake right now (I am not actually eating a whole cake right now) than reading about the weird eating disordered behavior described here. Look I've heard of intermittent fasting etc., yes, yes all things people do. But eating in two 10 minute periods at day or whatever, that's just beyond bizarre. No, no I have never heard of anyone but yeppy following a "diet" like that.
The best thing the average American can do to protect themselves against a bad covid outcome is to lose some weight, not get vaccinated. I have lost 30 pounds so far. YMMV.
Now that you've done the best thing, what is there left?
Now that you've done the best thing, what is there left?
Another thing I've not done is stress about covid. Stress is bad for your immune system. I don't think there's anything else to do. Some ridiculous restrictions were rolled out because we can't do nothing, we have to something. People were arrested for things like surfing alone or walking the beach alone.
Some ridiculous restrictions were rolled out because we can't do nothing, we have to something. People were arrested for things like surfing alone or walking the beach alone.
Again with the moldy oldies.
Another thing I've not done is stress about covid. Stress is bad for your immune system. I don't think there's anything else to do. Some ridiculous restrictions were rolled out because we can't do nothing, we have to something. People were arrested for things like surfing alone or walking the beach alone.
Probably good things to do regardless of the scientific consensus on vaccines.
Another thing I've not done is stress about covid.
LOL!!!!
I seem to recall a significant amount of stress you expressed in getting an appointment to get your parents vaccinated, getting yourself vaccinated, the general public being allowed in your work area.... Never mind the fretting about fitting rooms being closed.
…Or having to go to any type of doctor requiring masks….or meetings where masks were required…or going to the library etc etc… haha have not stressed! .. my eye!
I have not stressed about catching covid.
I have stressed about the government's reaction to covid, including censorship and infringing on civil liberties.
I know it was inevitable. Dh and I both tested positive today. We have both notified work and are awaiting information on their protocols. Child is now testing negative, so will be back to work tomorrow.
I'm sorry to hear that Happy, and I hope you both are better soon.
I prefer to go the mask route rather than the weight loss route since I only weigh 105 lbs to begin with, but I do have other risk factors that mean I might not do well with Covid. We have a good supply of KN-95s. I don't particularly stress about it. I take the precautions that I believe to be prudent and go about my life.
I know it was inevitable. Dh and I both tested positive today. We have both notified work and are awaiting information on their protocols. Child is now testing negative, so will be back to work tomorrow.
Hoping you feel better very soon, happy!
So sorry, happy! Feel better soon!
Teacher Terry
1-9-23, 11:15am
Hoping you both have mild cases Happy. I took the weight loss route figuring it was best in many ways and my health is much better. I am glad that the newer versions of Covid aren’t attacking the respiratory system as I have asthma. Unless required I am done with masks too. Mainly because my allergies are bad year round so have to frequently pull it down to blow my nose.
happystuff
1-9-23, 12:27pm
Thanks, everyone. We are both home from work for the week and isolating.
I know it was inevitable. Dh and I both tested positive today. We have both notified work and are awaiting information on their protocols. Child is now testing negative, so will be back to work tomorrow.
Bummer. Best wishes for a speedy recovery!
It does sort of seem inevitable we may all get it eventually, even if a person is vaccinated and has a mild case. I'm anticipating my number will come up some day.
ApatheticNoMore
1-9-23, 1:39pm
Hopefully people have mild cases.
I go the masks and frequent vaxes route though I think there are diminishing returns after 3 vaxes. I don't stress much like early in the pandemic. I don't actually get a weeks worth of sick days a year, I only get 3 sick days a year (as mandated by the state of California, I'd probably get no paid sick time at all if the state didn't' mandate it). This is just a state sick leave law that well predates covid. I think covid specific sick time that govt mandated is long gone? So I'd take time off but it would be from my rather limited vacation time of course.
Hoping everyone has a mild case, as is the rule these days.
Oh my! My wife asked me if I had heard of the 6 yr old girl who had died suddenly. I had not so I looked online, myocarditis to blame, very sad. Even worse when I discovered my wife was actually referring to different event. I can't keep track of all the kids dropping dead. Being someone who has lost a child myself, I grieve for these parents.
Do a quick search engine search for yourselves. I wonder what could possiblly be causing all this sudden death in our youth?
iris lilies
1-13-23, 4:59pm
Oh my! My wife asked me if I had heard of the 6 yr old girl who had died suddenly. I had not so I looked online, myocarditis to blame, very sad. Even worse when I discovered my wife was actually referring to different event. I can't keep track of all the kids dropping dead. Being someone who has lost a child myself, I grieve for these parents.
Do a quick search engine search for yourselves. I wonder what could possiblly be causing all this sudden death in our youth?
Is it “sudden death in our youth” though?
I only hope this issue is being objectively measured by the sciencey scientists who science, not the spin doctors who pick and choose their “science” to bludgeon us, the unwashed public, with their lofty dictims.
I do not know how much support off-message researchers have to study health problems related to Covid vaccine, but I fear there is academic derision for it and worse, no $$$.
I think it is entirely possible that the science based outliers who keep floating legitimate concerns about The government’s actions and interpretations of the science of Covid will, in fact, push the government toward truth. And the truth may be entirely what they have been saying all along.But it may not be. Imma thinking the latter.
when the history of Covid is written it will say “Our government did the best they could with the information they had” when that is not entirely true.
frugal-one
1-13-23, 5:12pm
Is it “sudden death in our youth” though?
I only hope this issue is being objectively measured by the sciencey scientists who science, not the spin doctors who pick and choose their “science” to bludgeon us, the unwashed public, with their lofty dictims.
I do not know how much support off-message researchers have to study health problems related to Covid vaccine, but I fear there is academic derision for it and worse, no $$$.
I think it is entirely possible that the science based outliers who keep floating legitimate concerns about The government’s actions and interpretations of the science of Covid will, in fact, push the government toward truth. And the truth may be entirely what they have been saying all along.But it may not be. Imma thinking the latter.
when the history of Covid is written it will say “Our government did the best they could with the information they had” when that is not entirely true.
Not true… especially in trump’s case. trump knew early on and let many die needlessly.
iris lilies
1-13-23, 6:10pm
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Not true… especially in trump’s case. trump knew early on and let many die needlessly.
…And time allowed Congress persons to shift their personal investments into pandemic friendly investments, and then passing legislation to keep the pandemic lockdowns/investment friendly for them and their supporters.
Then there’s the ongoing shady but arrogant proclamations of Anthony Fauci, Maybe not really a problem but who knows.
https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/114270/documents/HHRG-117-GO24-20211201-SD004.pdf
frugal-one
1-14-23, 12:17am
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iris lilies
1-14-23, 12:49am
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Weird, the url was Congress.gov but article imbedded in it seems to be from Newsweek.
well, there are lots of articles out there about this subject.
dado potato
1-14-23, 11:01am
Hopefully people have mild cases.
I go the masks and frequent vaxes route though I think there are diminishing returns after 3 vaxes.
I am listening to an audiobook, Apollo's Arrow, written by an M.D. virologist, before vaccines had come into use. He makes a strong case for not "mixing" indoors with people (who may be asymptomatic and spreading the virus). He says masks reduce transmission by intercepting some of the droplets coming out of the wearer's mouth and nose, especially when sneezing, yelling, or talking. So, more people wearing masks reduces the spread. "My mask protects YOU. Your mask protects ME."
During the "Spanish Flu" epidemic, he says masking was quite readily accepted by the mainstreet American public... as can be seen in photographs from that era. But today there is resistance to wearing a mask.
Limiting my mixing and wearing a mask indoors seems like a reasonable precaution to me (along with vaccines and boosters). A dividend is that in addition to not getting a case of COVID, I have not had a cold or flu in over 2 years... not even a sniffle.
Stay safe.
DP you could have had covid and not known. Some people are completely asymptomatic.
happystuff
1-15-23, 11:41am
I am listening to an audiobook, Apollo's Arrow, written by an M.D. virologist, before vaccines had come into use. He makes a strong case for not "mixing" indoors with people (who may be asymptomatic and spreading the virus). He says masks reduce transmission by intercepting some of the droplets coming out of the wearer's mouth and nose, especially when sneezing, yelling, or talking. So, more people wearing masks reduces the spread. "My mask protects YOU. Your mask protects ME."
During the "Spanish Flu" epidemic, he says masking was quite readily accepted by the mainstreet American public... as can be seen in photographs from that era. But today there is resistance to wearing a mask.
Limiting my mixing and wearing a mask indoors seems like a reasonable precaution to me (along with vaccines and boosters). A dividend is that in addition to not getting a case of COVID, I have not had a cold or flu in over 2 years... not even a sniffle.
Stay safe.
I will admit to having grown lax in my masking, but will now be resuming more stringent personal wearing criteria. I have to wear a mask at work for the upcoming week - part of the protocols for returning to work. Still have congestion, etc. so it is going to be interesting. I anticipate moving much slower to get the job done.
rosarugosa
1-15-23, 12:28pm
I am listening to an audiobook, Apollo's Arrow, written by an M.D. virologist, before vaccines had come into use. He makes a strong case for not "mixing" indoors with people (who may be asymptomatic and spreading the virus). He says masks reduce transmission by intercepting some of the droplets coming out of the wearer's mouth and nose, especially when sneezing, yelling, or talking. So, more people wearing masks reduces the spread. "My mask protects YOU. Your mask protects ME."
During the "Spanish Flu" epidemic, he says masking was quite readily accepted by the mainstreet American public... as can be seen in photographs from that era. But today there is resistance to wearing a mask.
Limiting my mixing and wearing a mask indoors seems like a reasonable precaution to me (along with vaccines and boosters). A dividend is that in addition to not getting a case of COVID, I have not had a cold or flu in over 2 years... not even a sniffle.
Stay safe.
DH and I are taking similar precautions (also hand sanitation) with similar results. I've had lots of experience with head colds over the years, and I've probably averaged 2 per year for most of my life. I haven't had one since 2019, so that's adequate proof for me that these precautions are protecting me from viral transmissions.
DH and I are taking similar precautions (also hand sanitation) with similar results. I've had lots of experience with head colds over the years, and I've probably averaged 2 per year for most of my life. I haven't had one since 2019, so that's adequate proof for me that these precautions are protecting me from viral transmissions.
Think how great it would be if you were a hermit and avoided people all together.
rosarugosa
1-16-23, 7:10am
Think how great it would be if you were a hermit and avoided people all together.
That certainly has it's appealing aspects, but the precautions I take enable me to live my life without going to extremes.
My morning news is claiming the Golden Globes was a super spreader event and named a number of stars who have come down with covid. Avoiding large indoor crowds doesn't impact my life style too much.
My husband says he is going back to masking in public. I can't take it so I'll just stay away from people again. I have to mask at doctor's appointments, hospital, and mom's nursing home, so those are pretty much only places I go.
The customer who had a heart attack came in again the other day. He hasn't been able to return to work because he needs a doctor's note and he fired his cardiologist for requiring him to wear a mask. So he is just doing odd jobs to get by.
He also realizes without medical care he could die so he has been checking out cemetery options including one town that offers green burials, just in case he goes.
Made me think of - no, I will not surrender to you and your demands, today is a good day to die.
Made me think that a paper mask they hand out for free is a dumb choice of a hill to die on.
A couple of my news sources are saying the FDA may revise their vaccination recommendations to once a year like the flu shot. I've pretty much followed their recommendations so far and it seems like a change in perspective from their seemingly urgent calls to become a human pin cushion. I must be one of the few left who has not returned to pre-covid activity and still avoid crowds indoors. I cancelled out on a couple of holiday gatherings thinking there would be some sort of winter surge, but my county and most of the state has been in the low level of community spread all winter. I still hear of people getting covid, but most seem to not get especially sick. I'm still evaluating, I guess.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/23/health/covid-boosters-fda.html
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear, does it make a sound?
If we stop obsessively testing people for covid, do winter surges go away?
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear, does it make a sound?
If we stop obsessively testing people for covid, do winter surges go away?
What I get is that so many people have home test kits, that they test positive but it doesn't get recorded through any formal system. There are probably fringe groups with a different take. So I could suppose that any reporting of cases is probably a little more than worthless. Hospitalizations seems like a better number, but it just didn't happen.
iris lilies
1-23-23, 8:55pm
What I get is that so many people have home test kits, that they test positive but it doesn't get recorded through any formal system. There are probably fringe groups with a different take. So I could suppose that any reporting of cases is probably a little more than worthless. Hospitalizations seems like a better number, but it just didn't happen.
yes, agreed. I don’t know anyone who has tested positive and got through the illness with no trouble actually reporting it.
hospital admissions number seem more internally consistent. I guess. There are plenty of people who are admitted for a health problem and they also happen to have Covid but I doubt that is a big number.???
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear, does it make a sound?
The 7 day average of covid deaths in the US is 569. That's over 207,000 per year if that keeps up. It's kind of sad that that isn't making a sound, but you're right. The majority of americans don't give a **** that that many people are still dying of covid every day.
The 7 day average of covid deaths in the US is 569. That's over 207,000 per year if that keeps up. It's kind of sad that that isn't making a sound, but you're right. The majority of americans don't give a **** that that many people are still dying of covid every day.
Of covid or with covid?
Of covid or with covid?
You tell me oh great conspiracist. I'd be happy to look at whatever sources you care to share that confirm your bias.
You tell me oh great conspiracist. I'd be happy to look at whatever sources you care to share that confirm your bias.
In my own state only a third of those hospitalized with covid are hospitalized due to covid (most recent Mass Dept of Public Health weekly dashboard). You can search out the death stats, which should be comparable.
Since you’re so certain of this I’m sure you have a link handy.
Since you’re so certain of this I’m sure you have a link handy.
You don't have the right to assign me homework. Do your own research. You can't refute me because you haven't.
You don't have the right to assign me homework. Do your own research. You can't refute me because you haven't.
That's...not how things work.
Generally, the burden of providing evidence for a claim falls on the person making the claim, and not on their poor audience.
You don't have the right to assign me homework. Do your own research. You can't refute me because you haven't.
Perhaps I should introduce you to the guy on Facebook that tried to explain to me that if California built too many reservoirs the Pacific Ocean would stop evaporating. He didn’t want to show me links either.
https://schoolsweek.co.uk/deliveries-of-defibrillators-to-all-schools-begin/#:~:text=Deliveries%20of%2020%2C000%20defibrillato rs%20to,with%20the%20life%2Dsaving%20equipment.
Safe and effective
Iris Lilies has posted before about the covid death benefit. It is inflating "covid" deaths. Here is an article on it from mainstream media. You're welcome JP.
https://www.newsweek.com/downsides-financial-incentives-diagnose-covid-opinion-1776181
I'm not getting your point Yppej. Dying with covid still means the person had covid. You seem to think this is "over reporting". And millions of people get covid, test at home and don't report the results to anyone collecting official statistics, so there's a universe of numbers not in the official results. Where are you going with this?
I'm not getting your point Yppej. Dying with covid still means the person had covid. You seem to think this is "over reporting". And millions of people get covid, test at home and don't report the results to anyone collecting official statistics, so there's a universe of numbers not in the official results. Where are you going with this?
People aren't dropping dead of covid in the numbers JP reports. They are dying of other things like cancer, heart attacks, accidents, overdoses, and it's attributed to covid so hospitals can get larger Medicare reimbursements and people can get free funerals. What's next? Someone killed by the police like Tyre Nichols is found to have covid and it's a "covid death"?
dado potato
1-27-23, 11:10am
As of 1/27/2023 the global count of reported COVID cases is 669,949,863 and the number of deaths is 6,821,462.
Seven countries with cases numbering more than 30 million, ranked by number of COVID deaths:
1. USA cases 102,260,961 deaths 1,107,559
2. Brazil cases 36,768,677 deaths 696,603
3. India cases 44,683,661 deaths 530,739
4. Germany cases 37,728,155 deaths 165,314
5. France cases 39,708,282 deaths 165,077
6. Japan cases 32,386,992 deaths 67,058
7. S. Korea cases 30,107,363 deaths 33,332
Source: Johns Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering
As of 1/27/2023 the global count of reported COVID cases is 669,949,863 and the number of deaths is 6,821,462.
Seven countries with cases numbering more than 30 million, ranked by number of COVID deaths:
1. USA cases 102,260,961 deaths 1,107,559
2. Brazil cases 36,768,677 deaths 696,603
3. India cases 44,683,661 deaths 530,739
4. Germany cases 37,728,155 deaths 165,314
5. France cases 39,708,282 deaths 165,077
6. Japan cases 32,386,992 deaths 67,058
7. S. Korea cases 30,107,363 deaths 33,332
Source: Johns Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering
And for years some countries like North Korea had no covid. Imagine that!
happystuff
1-28-23, 11:29am
As of 1/27/2023 the global count of reported COVID cases is 669,949,863 and the number of deaths is 6,821,462.
Seven countries with cases numbering more than 30 million, ranked by number of COVID deaths:
1. USA cases 102,260,961 deaths 1,107,559
2. Brazil cases 36,768,677 deaths 696,603
3. India cases 44,683,661 deaths 530,739
4. Germany cases 37,728,155 deaths 165,314
5. France cases 39,708,282 deaths 165,077
6. Japan cases 32,386,992 deaths 67,058
7. S. Korea cases 30,107,363 deaths 33,332
Source: Johns Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering
If there are any others like my family, then there were way more cases. When we each tested positive via home tests a couple weeks ago, the only place we "reported" it was work. (After hearing so many people say that their doctors all said "Isolate for at least a week, take OTC meds, and if symptoms get worse - go to the ER", the judgement call was to save the cost of a doctor visit. Worked out okay for us, but I understand others may do differently.)
If there are any others like my family, then there were way more cases. When we each tested positive via home tests a couple weeks ago, the only place we "reported" it was work. (After hearing so many people say that their doctors all said "Isolate for at least a week, take OTC meds, and if symptoms get worse - go to the ER", the judgement call was to save the cost of a doctor visit. Worked out okay for us, but I understand others may do differently.)
A good point, happystuff. My son and his family just had it and only told the school to work out when the girls could safely return. They were all 4 positive with it.
iris lilies
1-28-23, 12:13pm
Hmmm, I think jeppy could make a point about all of this COVID illness not coming under the eyes of the Official Counters of COVID Death and Destruction because…
…well, I would agree with jeppy on the point, the elephant in the room.
iris lilies
1-28-23, 12:25pm
Hoping everyone has a mild case, as is the rule these days.
I think you are practically a Covid denier with this calm sounding thought. Mild case? The rule is a mild case? Why are you not terrified by Covid Death and Destruction??!!!!Are you NOT PROPERLY SYMPATHETIC TO THE 207,000 deaths in this country by Covid? Especially showing equanimity on a social media site, that is just…beyond the pale.
Cold and callous of you I would say, girlfriend.
Please for the love of god, gen up your outrage.
:~)
I think you are practically a Covid denier with this calm sounding thought. Mild case? The rule is a mild case? Why are you not terrified by Covid Death and Destruction??!!!!Are you NOT PROPERLY SYMPATHETIC TO THE 207,000 deaths in this country by Covid? Especially showing equanimity on a social media site, that is just…beyond the pale.
Cold and callous of you I would say, girlfriend.
Please for the love of god, gen up your outrage.
:~)
:devil:
More and more professionals are questioning the particulars around COVID, from accurate reporting of vaccine side effects to medical mandates, to not investigating the excess death phenomenon (does it even exist?). Dr. Drew, of all people, reports that he now vaccinates only the elderly and other people at obvious risk. As usual, we're not getting a clear picture, and various social media outlets squelching discourse is unhelpful.
If there are any others like my family, then there were way more cases. When we each tested positive via home tests a couple weeks ago, the only place we "reported" it was work. (After hearing so many people say that their doctors all said "Isolate for at least a week, take OTC meds, and if symptoms get worse - go to the ER", the judgement call was to save the cost of a doctor visit. Worked out okay for us, but I understand others may do differently.)
I read something recently that said that by now, 95% of everyone in the country has had COVID at least once, either knowingly or unknowingly. I believe that.
:devil:
More and more professionals are questioning the particulars around COVID, from accurate reporting of vaccine side effects to medical mandates, to not investigating the excess death phenomenon (does it even exist?). Dr. Drew, of all people, reports that he now vaccinates only the elderly and other people at obvious risk. As usual, we're not getting a clear picture, and various social media outlets squelching discourse is unhelpful.
There are excess deaths, many attributable to lockdown policies. Starvation, addiction, mental health issues, delayed or cancelled screenings for cancer, vaccine related deaths.
Sweden which did not lock down had a lower excess death rate than the US and much of the world according to the OECD:
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/sweden-has-the-lowest-excess-mortality-rate-after-the-pandemic-despite-refusing-to-lock-down/news-story/df50001366bb09b6a20421520cbfbf53
:devil:
More and more professionals are questioning the particulars around COVID, from accurate reporting of vaccine side effects to medical mandates, to not investigating the excess death phenomenon (does it even exist?). Dr. Drew, of all people, reports that he now vaccinates only the elderly and other people at obvious risk. As usual, we're not getting a clear picture, and various social media outlets squelching discourse is unhelpful.
Early in the pandemic it was my understanding that many of the precautions were not necessarily to reduce the death rate, but to buy time for a vaccine or other preventive measures to be developed so that the health system would not be overloaded with a surge of illness and death. I recall photos of refrigerated semis behind my local hospital to store the dead. How easy we forget.
I think the philosophy behind vaccines has changed or is changing. At one point there was an expectation that being vaccinated would prevent illnesses. Then came the break through infections and the realization that the absolute protection against illness was short lived without routine boosters. But the vaccines did provide a long term protection against severe illness, hospitalizations, or death. I think that is now the intention of the proposed new FDA guidelines. Less frequent shots for long term protection against severe illness. Plus maybe boosters for high risk populations. Along with a natural immunity from natural infections it seems to be keeping things in check, but it's a mistake to assume people are not dying from covid no matter how you look at it.
If we could just turn back the clock with what we know now, things may have been better or worse, but they probably would have been less restrictive.
Early in the pandemic it was my understanding that many of the precautions were not necessarily to reduce the death rate, but to buy time for a vaccine or other preventive measures to be developed so that the health system would not be overloaded with a surge of illness and death. I recall photos of refrigerated semis behind my local hospital to store the dead. How easy we forget.
I think the philosophy behind vaccines has changed or is changing. At one point there was an expectation that being vaccinated would prevent illnesses. Then came the break through infections and the realization that the absolute protection against illness was short lived without routine boosters. But the vaccines did provide a long term protection against severe illness, hospitalizations, or death. I think that is now the intention of the proposed new FDA guidelines. Plus maybe boosters for high risk populations. Along with a natural immunity from natural infections it seems to be keeping things in check, but it's a mistake to assume people are not dying from covid no matter how you look at it.
If we could just turn back the clock with what we know new things may have been better or worse, but they probably would have been less restrictive.
Yeah--the early (over?) reaction seemed perfectly reasonable at the time, as did the rush to isolate/vaccinate vulnerable groups. Now we should be able to start answering hard questions.
One reason there were refrigerated semis is funeral homes weren't allowed to operate their normal hours due to lockdowns in places like NYC. That caused a bottleneck. Remember all the surge hospitals and hospital ships that weren't used or barely used?
If it bleeds it leads and the media latched on to covid paranoia. You would have thought the Black Death had returned.
One reason there were refrigerated semis is funeral homes weren't allowed to operate their normal hours due to lockdowns in places like NYC. That caused a bottleneck. Remember all the surge hospitals and hospital ships that weren't used or barely used?
Far as I know there were no funeral home lockdowns around here, but there were refrigerated death semis. However funeral services were restricted. Do you really know that funeral homes were on lockdown or just making it up? It's all retrospect now, but I doubt there would have been enough medical staffing for any covid hospital overflows. There was barely enough or a short fall as it was. To deny the potential severity of the situation at one time is purely delusional.
This article is called, "a nightmare every day inside a funeral home". From the old days. Photos and accounts of dead stacked up like firewood.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/04/us/covid-los-angeles-funeral-home.html
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I think the philosophy behind vaccines has changed or is changing. At one point there was an expectation that being vaccinated would prevent illnesses. Then came the break through infections and the realization that the absolute protection against illness was short lived without routine boosters. But the vaccines did provide a long term protection against severe illness, hospitalizations, or death. I think that is now the intention of the proposed new FDA guidelines. Less frequent shots for long term protection against severe illness. Plus maybe boosters for high risk populations. Along with a natural immunity from natural infections it seems to be keeping things in check, but it's a mistake to assume people are not dying from covid no matter how you look at it.
If we could just turn back the clock with what we know now, things may have been better or worse, but they probably would have been less restrictive.
I guess there are two kinds of infections that vaccines can target--systemic ones like measles, and respiratory ones like colds. From what I understand, the systemic ones are much easier to treat with an immunizing dose, as they aren't constantly mutating. That's why scientists are always playing whack-a-mole with seasonal flu variants, and that will undoubtedly be the case with COVID.
frugal-one
1-29-23, 4:13am
Long covid, anyone? Lingering problems?
Far as I know there were no funeral home lockdowns around here, but there were refrigerated death semis. However funeral services were restricted. Do you really know that funeral homes were on lockdown or just making it up? It's all retrospect now, but I doubt there would have been enough medical staffing for any covid hospital overflows. There was barely enough or a short fall as it was. To deny the potential severity of the situation at one time is purely delusional.
This article is called, "a nightmare every day inside a funeral home". From the old days. Photos and accounts of dead stacked up like firewood.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/04/us/covid-los-angeles-funeral-home.html
What a nasty response. I don't just make things up. And not that you deserve it, but I'm going to provide you with an article that, unlike your link, doesn't have a paywall.
"Under New York rules, the funerals are limited to no more than 10 people, and he can conduct just three per day"
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/05/826972795/funeral-homes-overwhelmed-with-covid-19-cases
happystuff
1-29-23, 10:09am
Long covid, anyone? Lingering problems?
Not sure. Respiratory/sinus issues. Actually will finally be seeing my gp to discuss some of these issues and hopefully see what is truly causing them.
iris lilies
1-29-23, 10:55am
As for bodies piling up and needing outside coolers, Seattle is having trouble with fentanyl deaths.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-area-medical-examiners-office-running-out-space-dead-bodies-top-health-official-reveals
What a nasty response. I don't just make things up. And not that you deserve it, but I'm going to provide you with an article that, unlike your link, doesn't have a paywall.
"Under New York rules, the funerals are limited to no more than 10 people, and he can conduct just three per day"
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/05/826972795/funeral-homes-overwhelmed-with-covid-19-cases
So, as I recall the discussion, you said bodies were piling up in semis because funeral homes were on a partial lockdown. What seems to be the case is more that the funeral homes were overwhelmed with mortalities. At any rate, a lot of people were sick and dying and the entire health and funeral chain was overwhelmed, which I think was the point before being derailed. I keep reminding myself not to discuss such things with certain people, but I apologize. I failed.
Teacher Terry
1-29-23, 12:36pm
One of our hospitals had to turn part of its parking garage into rooms because they ran out of rooms to put the people sick with Covid. Luckily it has mutated into a much milder disease and now the people that die from it are also likely to die if they get the flu because of a compromised immune system or just poor health.
Italy didn’t lockdown initially and had much higher death rates than other countries. I was happy to get the 3 vaccines but now I find it no longer necessary just like I have never taken a flu shot.
Some people are suffering with long covid and my doctor said some of her patients are bad off from it. But people are also being vaccine injured and I know 3 people this happened to so this also has to be weighed into the equation. Covid has become very complicated and there’s no one right way to respond.
This is the first time I have personally known anyone that has been injured by a vaccine and all 3 were told by their doctors not to take anymore. Personally I don’t care what the CDC or any doctor recommends because each person has to live with the results of their decisions. Sadly there’s not enough information to make a definitive conclusion.
Long covid, anyone? Lingering problems?
Indeed. The most recent statistic I read on this is that roughly 7% of Americans are CURRENTLY suffering long covid. I personally have a good friend who is among that cohort, and has been since she was infected in the initial wave in NYC over 2 1/2 years ago. To this day she can't walk more than half a block before she has to stop and rest for several minutes.
Sadly there’s not enough information to make a definitive conclusion.
Except, there is.
iris lilies
1-29-23, 4:56pm
What a nasty response. I don't just make things up. And not that you deserve it, but I'm going to provide you with an article that, unlike your link, doesn't have a paywall.
"Under New York rules, the funerals are limited to no more than 10 people, and he can conduct just three per day"
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/05/826972795/funeral-homes-overwhelmed-with-covid-19-cases
oh please, Roger doesn’t know how to be “nasty.”
Sure, there were limitations on funerals as there were limitations on MANY human activities. But the limitations varied from locale to locale. And I do not question that there were scary numbers of dead bodies piling up in New York City. That city was hit hard by Covid.
iris lilies
1-29-23, 4:58pm
Except, there is.
Unfortunately, the high priests of The Science have caused great distrust by their past fkery.
There may be definitive answers but the mouthpieces are not to be trusted.
Science, being a human endeavor, is imperfect.
The following is a long list of "miracle drugs" that have been withdrawn from market:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs
"Where risks or harms is the reason for withdrawal, this will usually have been prompted by unexpected adverse effects that were not detected during Phase III clinical trials, i.e. they were only made apparent from postmarketing surveillance data collected from the wider community over longer periods of time." (article above)
https://www.drugsdb.com/blog/fda-approved-drugs-pulled-from-market.html
"Certainly if a presidential candidate is entitled to change his mind on major issues, the FDA is, too. Of course, the entire process of reversal is quite a bit more serious when it comes to a federal agency in charge of the welfare of the country."
Let's start with a very sobering fact: More Americans die from adverse effects of prescription drug medications than from illegal drugs. (Ed note: All hail science!)
"That means that the agency overseeing prescription medications carries a heavy burden, the burden of human lives." (article above)
Science, being a human endeavor, is imperfect.
The following is a long list of "miracle drugs" that have been withdrawn from market:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs
"Where risks or harms is the reason for withdrawal, this will usually have been prompted by unexpected adverse effects that were not detected during Phase III clinical trials, i.e. they were only made apparent from postmarketing surveillance data collected from the wider community over longer periods of time." (article above)
https://www.drugsdb.com/blog/fda-approved-drugs-pulled-from-market.html
Certainly if a presidential candidate is entitled to change his mind on major issues, the FDA is, too. Of course, the entire process of reversal is quite a bit more serious when it comes to a federal agency in charge of the welfare of the country.
Let's start with a very sobering fact: More Americans die from adverse effects of prescription drug medications than from illegal drugs. (Ed note: All hail science!)
"That means that the agency overseeing prescription medications carries a heavy burden, the burden of human lives." (article above)
As market researchers, the people in my industry have very strict codes of conduct with regard to reporting adverse events that we hear about during the course of our interviews. Within 24 hours we are mandated to report what we heard to the manufacturer's pharmcovigilance department. If we are late, or if we miss an AE and it gets caught during an audit, we have to go through a whole retraining process. It's all about risk:reward, and you have to remember that in many cases, a lot more people would be dead if they never had the opportunity to take the drug to begin with.
It's all about risk:reward, and you have to remember that in many cases, a lot more people would be dead if they never had the opportunity to take the drug to begin with.
I doubt this. I see drugs advertised for all sorts of nonlethal conditions from psoriasis to heartburn to restless leg syndrome.
rosarugosa
1-30-23, 7:14am
oh please, Roger doesn’t know how to be “nasty.”
Sure, there were limitations on funerals as there were limitations on MANY human activities. But the limitations varied from locale to locale. And I do not question that there were scary numbers of dead bodies piling up in New York City. That city was hit hard by Covid.
Yes, I was thinking that Rogar is probably the least nasty person on the Forum, or at least a top contender for the title.
Teacher Terry
1-30-23, 2:48pm
Except, there is.
This gave me a chuckle because there’s not enough known to say that the COVID vaccines are safe for most people. The CDC may say there is but how many times have we learned later that prescription drugs, etc did more harm than good. I am certainly not an anti vaxer by any stretch of the imagination but there’s too much unknown about Covid itself. It’s going to take time for enough knowledge to emerge.
What also concerns me is these vaccines being given to children. If you look at the number of vaccines I was given versus my kids and now the next generation it double or more. We are over vaccinating our pets because there’s big money giving for instance our pets a rabies vaccine every 1-3 years when we could titer to see if needed. Most last a lifetime after the initial series. It worries me that we are now doing it with people.
When you consider. that mRNA technology was discovered 60 years ago, and has been actively developed and tested in R&D for all that time, I trust that its application in COVID has been tested enough to give me confidence that it's safe for most people.
When you consider. that mRNA technology was discovered 80 years ago, and has been actively developed and tested in R&D for all that time, I trust that its application in COVID has been tested enough to give me confidence that it's safe for most people.
And if you're not fully convinced, there are alternatives, including ones that are more traditionally formulated.
Teacher Terry
1-31-23, 1:36am
For me it’s a moot point because I have had 3 doses of the vaccine plus covid so I am done. I don’t take anything that must be done yearly such as the flu shot. I did recently receive the second dose of the pneumonia vaccine.
https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/yasmin-vossoughian-returns-to-msnbc-after-health-scare/523202/
So, it was just a virus that caused this once very healthy young anchorwoman to get pericarditis. Thank goodness, glad it couldn't possibly have been the jab. Because we all know the vax is safe and effective, right?
Anyone can get pericarditis.
Pericarditis may occur as the result of a viral, bacterial, or fungal infection. It may also be caused by certain heart conditions, heart surgery, specific medical conditions, injuries or medications. Frequently, the cause of pericarditis is unknown or idiopathic, though it often occurs after a viral infection. It is most often acute, meaning that it comes on suddenly and doesn’t last long, from just a few days to a few weeks.
The CDC itself acknowledges there is a risk of myocarditis and pericarditis from the covid-19 vaccine. While they continue to recommend the vaccine for everyone, including those at low risk of covid, it behooves intelligent people to do their own risk assessment.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/myocarditis.html
Everything is relative:
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Source: https://covid19.nih.gov/news-and-stories/covid-19-vaccines-myocarditis
iris lilies
2-1-23, 11:08am
The CDC itself acknowledges there is a risk of myocarditis and pericarditis from the covid-19 vaccine. While they continue to recommend the vaccine for everyone, including those at low risk of covid, it behooves intelligent people to do their own risk assessment.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/myocarditis.html
The TLDR on this is: for the most at-risk group, young men, the rate of myocarditis from having COVID is 8 times higher than risk from vaccine related myocarditis.
But the actual risk for either is very low.
And randomized controlled trials, the gold standard, continue to show that masks don't work. Yes, I was right all along.
https://justthenews.com/nation/science/little-no-difference-massive-mask-meta-study-undermines-remaining-covid-mandates
And randomized controlled trials, the gold standard, continue to show that masks don't work. Yes, I was right all along.
https://justthenews.com/nation/science/little-no-difference-massive-mask-meta-study-undermines-remaining-covid-mandates
I applaud your tenacity in pursuing this subject, Jeppy--even in the face of skepticism.
iris lilies
2-1-23, 1:26pm
And randomized controlled trials, the gold standard, continue to show that masks don't work. Yes, I was right all along.
https://justthenews.com/nation/science/little-no-difference-massive-mask-meta-study-undermines-remaining-covid-mandates
my nuclear physicist-, PhD-holding -from-an-Ivy-League friend has been insistent from Day One that the masks do nothing.
littlebittybobby
2-1-23, 2:10pm
my nuclear physicist-, PhD-holding -from-an-Ivy-League friend has been insistent from Day One that the masks do nothing.Yeah But---I have a diploma in body shop, and I insist(from day one) that masks do SOMETHING insofar as filtering particulates, but are nowhere near 100% effective in filtering out viruses. They may keep you from inhaling "stuff" when someone sneezes, coughs, or even talks(thereby spitting droplets of saliva), but other than that.......You really would need a fitted, full-face respirator w/air supply, latex gloves and paper suit, properly disposed of after one-time use, PLUS a fastidious washing and disinfection regimen, to be anywhere near 100%, and even then...... So yeah, Hope that helps you some.
I applaud your tenacity in pursuing this subject, Jeppy--even in the face of skepticism.
Thank you. This article shows the importance of public health policy that is inclusive - the response to covid-19 has been anything but.
https://www.newsweek.com/its-time-scientific-community-admit-we-were-wrong-about-coivd-it-cost-lives-opinion-1776630
Thank you. This article shows the importance of public health policy that is inclusive - the response to covid-19 has been anything but.
https://www.newsweek.com/its-time-scientific-community-admit-we-were-wrong-about-coivd-it-cost-lives-opinion-1776630
As we're finding out now, with more and more health (and other) professionals speaking out on the overall mismanagement of the pandemic. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-deceptive-campaign-for-bivalent-covid-boosters-cdc-fda-biden-vaccines-moderna-pfizer-wuhan-imprinting-11674400955
As we're finding out now, with more and more health (and other) professionals speaking out on the overall mismanagement of the pandemic. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-deceptive-campaign-for-bivalent-covid-boosters-cdc-fda-biden-vaccines-moderna-pfizer-wuhan-imprinting-11674400955
And yet no one has been held accountable.
And I'm sure no one ever will be. As we all see, every day, the rich and/or powerful never are.
Since the medical facilities that I've been in recently still require or encourage masks, I assume there is another side of the argument from some medical experts or no one has told them. It's not an issue for me.
I have birded with some talented birders and there is a humorous adage that when a bird that is difficult to identify flies by, it is wise to wait to call the species until it's out of sight.
iris lilies
2-1-23, 3:49pm
Yeah But---I have a diploma in body shop, and I insist(from day one) that masks do SOMETHING insofar as filtering particulates, but are nowhere near 100% effective in filtering out viruses. They may keep you from inhaling "stuff" when someone sneezes, coughs, or even talks(thereby spitting droplets of saliva), but other than that.......You really would need a fitted, full-face respirator w/air supply, latex gloves and paper suit, properly disposed of after one-time use, PLUS a fastidious washing and disinfection regimen, to be anywhere near 100%, and even then...... So yeah, Hope that helps you some.
You are pretty much right there Bobby.
And I'm sure no one ever will be. As we all see, every day, the rich and/or powerful never are.
The House will do some investigations of prominent people like Fauci, who in court depositions is already saying he can't recall anything, but nothing will happen to the lower level tyrants. I continue to work to replace the ones in my local government with limited success. One sent a nasty email about me saying I was "a sad, pitiful excuse for a citizen not worth the time of day" and saying I "disgust" her.
The House will do some investigations of prominent people like Fauci, who in court depositions is already saying he can't recall anything, but nothing will happen to the lower level tyrants. I continue to work to replace the ones in my local government with limited success. One sent a nasty email about me saying I was "a sad, pitiful excuse for a citizen not worth the time of day" and saying I "disgust" her.
Now there's a professional observation. Jeez.
iris lilies
2-1-23, 6:55pm
The House will do some investigations of prominent people like Fauci, who in court depositions is already saying he can't recall anything, but nothing will happen to the lower level tyrants. I continue to work to replace the ones in my local government with limited success. One sent a nasty email about me saying I was "a sad, pitiful excuse for a citizen not worth the time of day" and saying I "disgust" her.
hunh, what a sad pitiful excuse for a government official, and I find her interaction with you disgusting.
hunh, what a sad pitiful excuse for a government official, and I find her interaction with you disgusting.
TY.
my nuclear physicist-, PhD-holding -from-an-Ivy-League friend has been insistent from Day One that the masks do nothing.
Nuclear physicists are experts on how masks work or don't work for blocking viruses? I'd be curious how those two seemingly dissimilar fields of medicine intersect.
iris lilies
2-2-23, 2:56am
Nuclear physicists are experts on how masks work or don't work for blocking viruses? I'd be curious how those two seemingly dissimilar fields of medicine intersect.
Haha yes but still. She reads The Science and told me often why the masks are not especially effective for virus, and of course, an ill fitting or partially fitting mask is just social signalling.
It doesn't take rocket scientist to figure that if mask limit the spread of aerosol droplets, and covid is spread but such droplets, that they help. The Mayo clinic is still requiring mask indoors. Another case of leading medical professionals not getting the news? I wonder how the anti-masks people would fell about a surgery where none of the medical people wore masks.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abg6296
It doesn't take rocket scientist to figure that if mask limit the spread of aerosol droplets, and covid is spread but such droplets, that they help. The Mayo clinic is still requiring mask indoors. Another case of leading medical professionals not getting the news? I wonder how the anti-masks people would fell about a surgery where none of the medical people wore masks.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abg6296
Masks worn during surgery are to protect the medical personnel from blood spurting onto them when they cut into the person. It's not to stop airborne viruses. No patients wore masks during surgery pre-covid. Also, covid is airborne, not spread via droplets. That's why we no longer spray down surfaces with disinfectant. Your thinking is out of date and unscientific.
I applaud your tenacity in pursuing this subject, Jeppy--even in the face of skepticism.
Thanks. It brings so many issues. Luckily the medical censorship law in California was just defeated.
That said, having read several studies that contradict that one, I'll still wear my well-fitting mask when it seems prudent. :~)
Also, covid is airborne, not spread via droplets.
I have strong suspicions on where airborne virus spread originates.
https://www.cdc.gov/socialmedia/syndication/405380/403327.html
Teacher Terry
2-2-23, 2:09pm
From what I have read it seems like sick people should wear masks as to not spread their germs but it’s pointless for healthy people. Also some doctor’s offices require masks and some don’t here so obviously even medical professionals can’t agree on the science.
Yppej, I find that official’s description of you disgusting and unprofessional. It’s an elected official’s job to listen to her constituents and treat everyone with respect. I think that they forget that they are elected servants supposedly to represent our best interests. Ugh!!
From what I have read it seems like sick people should wear masks as to not spread their germs but it’s pointless for healthy people. Also some doctor’s offices require masks and some don’t here so obviously even medical professionals can’t agree on the science.
Yppej, I find that official’s description of you disgusting and unprofessional. It’s an elected official’s job to listen to her constituents and treat everyone with respect. I think that they forget that they are elected servants supposedly to represent our best interests. Ugh!!
Thank you TT, though she was not elected but appointed. We tried to get that position elected and failed.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/soccer/belgian-goalkeeper-arne-espeel-25-dies-after-collapsing-on-field&ved=2ahUKEwjX5NbcqJz9AhUFmGoFHefYBjcQFnoECDkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw38LuykRCP81aZ61GD_vpEo
Yet another athlete, in the prime of his life drops dead on the field of play.
It boggles my mind that many of you still refuse to make the connection.
It's literally every week, you just have to search.
iris lilies
2-17-23, 9:44am
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/soccer/belgian-goalkeeper-arne-espeel-25-dies-after-collapsing-on-field&ved=2ahUKEwjX5NbcqJz9AhUFmGoFHefYBjcQFnoECDkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw38LuykRCP81aZ61GD_vpEo
Yet another athlete, in the prime of his life drops dead on the field of play.
It boggles my mind that many of you still refuse to make the connection.
It's literally every week, you just have to search.
Haha I heard this yesterday and thought of you.
I read the article carefully. No where does it say this player was autopsied for myocardial infection, or does it even it say he was recently vaccinated with COVID.
Will COVID vaccinations be blamed for all athlete deaths in all coming years?
Will COVID vaccinations be blamed for all athlete deaths in all coming years?
Since most of these athletes were forced to vax to play, YES I will continue to blame the governing bodies.
frugal-one
2-17-23, 12:53pm
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/soccer/belgian-goalkeeper-arne-espeel-25-dies-after-collapsing-on-field&ved=2ahUKEwjX5NbcqJz9AhUFmGoFHefYBjcQFnoECDkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw38LuykRCP81aZ61GD_vpEo
Yet another athlete, in the prime of his life drops dead on the field of play.
It boggles my mind that many of you still refuse to make the connection.
It's literally every week, you just have to search.
That says it all.. Obviously, there is little or no connection. There may be exceptions but to hold all as true is redundant.
Vaxed athletes should feel a little safer here in Indiana. The State Senate unanimously passed a bill that requires AED's to be available at sporting events.
Vaxed athletes should feel a little safer here in Indiana. The State Senate unanimously passed a bill that requires AED's to be available at sporting events.
So.
We've had ambulances, EMTs, paramedics, and AEDs at every sporting event in my community for....decades.
Has nothing to do with Covid.
ToomuchStuff
2-21-23, 11:18pm
Sorry, what is an AED? I know what an IED is, as a friend survived one, but Explosive device just keeps in my head with this one.
Sorry, what is an AED? I know what an IED is, as a friend survived one, but Explosive device just keeps in my head with this one.
AED: automated external defibrillator. They're pretty cool, they can walk even an untrained person through the process.
So.
We've had ambulances, EMTs, paramedics, and AEDs at every sporting event in my community for....decades.
Exactly bae. This was complete political posturing. Many voters are concerned by what they are seeing going on around them. All those State senators had to have known this bill would not be very benifical in a practical sense. They also knew it would be political suicide to vote against it.
Face the Nation today mentioned girls pushed into being child brides because of the impact of covid lockdowns, something some of you all pooh poohed.
iris lilies
3-12-23, 12:35pm
Face the Nation today mentioned girls pushed into being child brides because of the impact of covid lockdowns, something some of you all pooh poohed.
What? How did Covid lockdowns cause child brides?
What? How did Covid lockdowns cause child brides?
Families were impoverished, could not feed their daughters, and sold them as child brides so 1) the husband would have to feed her and 2) they would get some money to feed the rest of the family.
iris lilies
3-12-23, 2:38pm
Families were impoverished, could not feed their daughters, and sold them as child brides so 1) the husband would have to feed her and 2) they would get some money to feed the rest of the family.
We are talking about 3rd world cultures here?
We are talking about 3rd world cultures here?
Yes.
We are talking about 3rd world cultures here?
While not about child brides I recommend The Rebel and the Thief a pandemic novel set in Asia
Interesting development. WHO is altering their guidance on vaccinating children. Why? Is it possible the vaccine is not as safe and effective as originally promised?
https://www.who.int/news/item/28-03-2023-sage-updates-covid-19-vaccination-guidance
Interesting development. WHO is altering their guidance on vaccinating children. Why? Is it possible the vaccine is not as safe and effective as originally promised?
https://www.who.int/news/item/28-03-2023-sage-updates-covid-19-vaccination-guidance
This was already the case in most of Europe.
Apparently covid is officially over, even in California. I woke up this morning to an alert on my phone that the state’s notification system for covid exposure has been shut down. I’d frankly forgotten about it. I was notified 3 times and didn’t get sick those times. And the two times I spent a lot of time near an infected person who I knew was participating in the system (including SO, who I live with of course) and who both reported their infections because they got prescriptions to paclovid it did not notify me.
I've had a relative in and out of medical facilities and masks are still common among the much of staff and some visitors. Relative picked it up in a rehabilitation place and I got it there also as there was a small outbreak, just a few weeks ago. I'd not had it before. My doctor immediately prescribed Paxlovid. I'm undecided on timing for another booster, which I guess is becoming available. I've not seen the most recent recommendations.
The news said our hospital occupancy from covid was some all time low, but I caught a media comment that covid mortalities were still twice those from flu.
My mother's nursing home just lifted the mask requirement for visitors last week. Hallelujah.
My sister in law just got Covid in Jordan. She said she had had five shots total, including boosters.
My favorite podcaster apologized from his raspy voice due to recent covid. We've had a pretty good break from things, but with school starting back and people starting to be inside more, it's probably time to think about another booster. At least for us seniors at risk. I understand there will be some new guidelines with an updated vaccine coming out soon.
How easy we forget. There could be a new lack of population immunity since it's been a while for infections and vaccinations and their given immunities? Or maybe it will be a big nothing burger?
Apparently there’s a bug surge happening in San Diego. At least if my sister’s friends are representative. Fortunately they are all vaxxed and/or previously exposed so none are having dangerous cases. Haven’t heard anything similar here. At least among our friends I don’t know anyone who has had it recently. I’m about to start my big work travel season so I’ll be getting the new booster once available.
flowerseverywhere
8-15-23, 9:09pm
There are many cases around me, but I don't know anyone who is really sick. doctors are advising patients on boosters on a case by case basis.
My sibling just came down with a case of it; it seems pretty mild.
Teacher Terry
8-16-23, 10:25am
Considering that my 3 covid shots made me much sicker than Covid did I will pass unless it becomes more virulent and starts killing large numbers of people again.
Considering that my 3 covid shots made me much sicker than Covid did I will pass unless it becomes more virulent and starts killing large numbers of people again.
I'm a master of sequestering. :~)
My partner, her sister and brother-in-law, and one of their children apparently have come down with it due to attending a small family birthday party this last weekend.
The numbers are pretty high on the mainland nearby, and climbing here.
Another cold. Yawn.
Well, given that two of the people involved are in their 80s...
Nevermind, what am I thinking?
Well, given that two of the people involved are in their 80s...
Nevermind, what am I thinking?
Do you know how many thousands of viruses there are on the earth? Are you going to worry about them all? The worry will never end, and you'll lose a lot of life fretting.
happystuff
8-16-23, 5:31pm
Secretary is out for the week with it.
Do you know how many thousands of viruses there are on the earth? Are you going to worry about them all? The worry will never end, and you'll lose a lot of life fretting.
At least I get paid for it, and don't waste my time pointlessly acting out in front of the local Board of Health.
https://i.imgur.com/xo2VE6v.png
I'm not sure what a good metric for tracking would be these days, but hospitalizations with confirmed Covid in my state have not changed much over the summer and are at an all time low. It could be anymore that anecdotal information from friends and acquaintances could be as good a source as any. I've not had any real concerns over the summer, but know of people who avoid crowded public places and airports. Those are easy places for me to avoid without effort.
Teacher Terry
8-17-23, 12:39pm
I actually don’t know anyone that is still wearing a mask or limiting their activities no matter their age or health status.
iris lilies
8-17-23, 2:01pm
I actually don’t know anyone that is still wearing a mask or limiting their activities no matter their age or health status.
I still see masks in the city of St. Louis. Sometimes I get a vibe that it’s a bit of a fashion statement with the urban youth.
I still see a few masks around while shopping. Their wearers look like they could be at higher risk.
For those with access, the NYT had a few articles the last couple of weeks about the new uptick, how one could track things, and the risks of long covid from multiple infections.
I still see the odd person wearing a mask, including outdoors or riding alone in a car. A certain percentage of the population suffer from OCD/germaphobia and will never return to normal.
[still see the odd person wearing a mask, including outdoors or riding alone in a car. A certain percentage of the population suffer from OCD/germaphobia and will never return to normal.]
Or are immuno compromised, going through cancer treatment...
rosarugosa
8-18-23, 6:11am
DH and I still wear masks in crowded public places, e.g. Costco, Market Basket. We both have crappy lungs and are at greater risk for poor outcomes if we get covid.
It's also been nice to not have so much as a single head cold since 2019.
happystuff
8-18-23, 6:49am
Having recently been diagnosed with having some breathing/lung/immune deficiency issues, I tend to mask depending on the circumstances. Since I'm seeing a rise in COVID in my area right now, I will be trying to remember to mask more often.
Masks only protect against droplets. They don't keep you safe from airborne respiratory viruses. But lots of people need a religion or mythology to believe in. A mask is a like a magic amulet to ward off evil/sickness. Maybe there's a little placebo effect.
Teacher Terry
8-18-23, 10:24am
Amazingly I haven’t had a cold since 2018 which is good because they really kick up my asthma. If I had cancer I’d be masking and avoiding crowds. None of us know what someone is going through.
gimmethesimplelife
2-18-24, 5:57pm
My question is, now that this virus seems to have essentially toned down a great deal - have we as a society learned anything at all from this experience? What do you think? Rob
My employer’s dislike of WFH for the desk level employees has come out big time. If you’re out sick with COVID, but still have to quarantine on doc’s orders, they want you taking sick time, not WFH, even though you being out is putting your coworker(s) in a bad way, workload wise. You think they would have learned from Covid. Sheesh. Friends report the same sort of attitude.
Other friends report the pressure to come into the office when sick is bad, as it was pre-Covid.
I had no idea that such a large percentage of our population had, or has, such an overwhelming distrust in the science of traditional medical institutions. And faith in medical or science conspiracy theory.
It seems like in the end the experts warned this would not be the last pandemic and we should be better prepared for the next. As far as any information I've seen, it's mostly been out of sight, out of mind.
I had no idea that such a large percentage of our population had, or has, such an overwhelming distrust in the science of traditional medical institutions. And faith in medical or science conspiracy theory.
If only a fairly high percentage of conspiracy theories during the height of Covid hadn't turned out to be true the general public might have a greater degree of trust in science. If we can learn something from that experience and separate out the political influence we could probably respect science again.
If only a fairly high percentage of conspiracy theories during the height of Covid hadn't turned out to be true the general public might have a greater degree of trust in science. If we can learn something from that experience and separate out the political influence we could probably respect science again.
I suspect your version of political influence differences from mine, but it was not one sided. What comes to my mind is when Donald recommended everyone go out to church on Easter Sunday before there were vaccines or other effective precautions and recommended bizarre chemical preparations as remedy like the injection of cleaning disinfectants. A lot of people died because of disinformation contrary to mainstream science, especially around the refusal to get vaccinated. Masks and lockdowns could be up for debate, but [possibly the best they could come up with at the time and a learning experience.
I suspect your version of political influence differences from mine, but it was not one sided. What comes to my mind is when Donald recommended everyone go out to church on Easter Sunday before there were vaccines or other effective precautions and recommended bizarre chemical preparations as remedy like the injection of cleaning disinfectants.
It helps to review the context of things like that. As I recall an Under Secretary for Science and Technology at Department of Homeland Security mentioned a study showing disinfectant and sunlight easily killed the virus on non-porous surfaces. Trump then ad-libbed something to the effect that wouldn't it be nice if we could find a way to have the same effect inside the body, using light or some other medically approved substance, possibly by injection. Social media and the mainstream media then went crazy alleging he was suggesting people should inject bleach or other cleaning products into their bodies. Now, several years later, that's what most people remember, including yourself it appears.
ToomuchStuff
2-18-24, 10:34pm
If only a fairly high percentage of conspiracy theories during the height of Covid hadn't turned out to be true the general public might have a greater degree of trust in science. If we can learn something from that experience and separate out the political influence we could probably respect science again.
Not sure we seem to learn to separate them. Apollo missions, until the fire killed three astronauts, seemed to be driven more from politics then science. So did the Challenger accident investigation, until Sally Ride and Richard Feynman said censored to politics. Not to mention politicians tend to not necessarily follow science or the fact that things change as we learn more (they get their mind set), or the fact that even scientists don't always agree.
gimmethesimplelife
2-19-24, 10:36am
I remember in March 2020 right before the lockdown arrived here in Arizona, I went into a post office to drop off some mail in Central Phoenix. This was before masks became widely available so I had a dish towel around my face - seriously. We knew little about the virus and as a US citizen, of course trust is almost non-existent at this point - so I did the best I could with a dish towel.
There was one man in line at the post office who turned around and looked at me and laughed and shook his head and then there was a woman who smiled my way and clapped. I remember thinking then and there to not be so upset about this country's many moral and ethical failings, scams, cash grabs and outright lies and insane inequality - as I realized this country will eventually split. That moment at the post office made this crystal clear to me and I must say it's easier to deal with this country with the belief that it will be splitting up not too too too far down the road. And good riddance!
But I digress. I don't believe society has learned much from covid BUT the silver lining? Covid pushed this nation close to splitting up. It's not all bad in other words. Rob
If only a fairly high percentage of conspiracy theories during the height of Covid hadn't turned out to be true the general public might have a greater degree of trust in science. If we can learn something from that experience and separate out the political influence we could probably respect science again.
What political influences do you think obscured a respect for science?
We learned how many wanna be petty tyrants desire to deprive other people of medical and bodily autonomy and punish them for not falling into line. We learned that the ACLU and other organizations supposedly devoted to civil liberties will stand by and do nothing. We learned big government will conspire with big tech to censor even well respected scientists like those who signed the Great Barrington Declaration. We learned that consent does not exist, as in Massachusetts the government conspired with phone companies to install secret spyware on people's phones to track their movements. We learned that you can lose custody of your children, be denied an organ transplant, be fired from your job, be expelled from college, or any other number of draconian things for not taking an experimental vaccine under emergency use authorization. We learned young males collapsing on athletic fields of myocarditis is normal now. As lawsuits related to these cases wind their way through the courts the plaintiffs are usually winning - we saw a court case get rid of the mask mandate on planes, now many people unjustly fired from their jobs are getting damages. We learned how our government, a gerontocracy, acted in the interests of their age group at the expense of children. The average age of a person dying of covid was HIGHER than the average life expectancy in the country, and we all have to die of something, but we shut down schools as if education isn't essential. Learning has not recovered. Attendance has not recovered. Many elites sent their own children to private schools that stayed open. We learned that the poorer and the darker you are, the less important you are in this country. We learned that Karens sitting at home on Zoom in their pajama bottoms "working from home" could get delivery drivers fired for not wearing a mask. We learned that the cruelty shown in this video is acceptable to our gerontocratic society if it spares them the tiniest bit of anxiety about a virus we all got and will all continue to get throughout our lifetimes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPxawPNeN8
iris lilies
2-19-24, 4:03pm
It helps to review the context of things like that. As I recall an Under Secretary for Science and Technology at Department of Homeland Security mentioned a study showing disinfectant and sunlight easily killed the virus on non-porous surfaces. Trump then ad-libbed something to the effect that wouldn't it be nice if we could find a way to have the same effect inside the body, using light or some other medically approved substance, possibly by injection. Social media and the mainstream media then went crazy alleging he was suggesting people should inject bleach or other cleaning products into their bodies. Now, several years later, that's what most people remember, including yourself it appears.
yes, it was DJT, Alan, in, one of his off the cuff comments, and I remember specifically his tone and words. It was at one of Fauci’s daily press conferences.
We can still make fun of Trump for it but it’s just The Donald being Donald. It’s not like he ordered The FDA to certify anything weird for consumption to attack coronavirus.
ApatheticNoMore
2-19-24, 6:39pm
the conspiracy theories that turned out correct are stuff like covid is airborne, and it wasn't even conspiracy theorists pushing that, it was some scientists some journalists etc. (but granted the WHO took forever and maybe never got on board)
In the early 20th century, before antibiotics, the sanatariums would put people out in the sunshine for TB and it seems to have worked to some extent. I am a massive believer in fresh air and sunshine to kill germs and try to hang out laundry all the time for that reason.
It helps to review the context of things like that. As I recall an Under Secretary for Science and Technology at Department of Homeland Security mentioned a study showing disinfectant and sunlight easily killed the virus on non-porous surfaces. Trump then ad-libbed something to the effect that wouldn't it be nice if we could find a way to have the same effect inside the body, using light or some other medically approved substance, possibly by injection. Social media and the mainstream media then went crazy alleging he was suggesting people should inject bleach or other cleaning products into their bodies. Now, several years later, that's what most people remember, including yourself it appears.
And I recall a cabinet secretary, Housing and Urban Development, if I recall correctly, who stupidly went to what was obviously (at least to any of us in the reality based world) going to become a super spreader event, despite being a doctor who should have known better, and then nearly died as a result. The dumb****ery of republicans during the pre-vaccine days of this tragedy were shocking. I do also recall though that he had a really nicely decorated office. So at least he had that legacy to be proud of...
rosarugosa
2-20-24, 5:48am
Rob, to answer your question on a more mundane level, we learned that we can take some basic precautions like masks and hand sanitizer to avoid spreading germs from the common cold, etc. In our clay studio, it's become the norm to mask if there is a virus in one's household.
Social media and the mainstream media then went crazy alleging he was suggesting people should inject bleach or other cleaning products into their bodies. Now, several years later, that's what most people remember, including yourself it appears.
Trump touted hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, as possible treatments. They are antimalarial drugs with absolutely no medical evidence they would work, plus serious side effects. Remdesivir was part of his treatment and I know people who asked for it. He also tried Regeneron's monoclonal antibodies. I don't think anyone took the suggestion to inject disinfectant seriously, but it showed his lack of any scientific knowledge and an idiot for even suggesting it. It was overplayed by the media. But as you say, it's interesting that people only remember those things that support their political or cultural leanings, case and point.
I can vaguely recall actual physical altercations in hospitals where patients were on ventilators and dying and relatives were insisting upon some of these unproven and unsupported treatments, but refused the vaccine. I can't recall where the anti-vaccine movement started and what conspiracies were behind it, but RFK Jr. didn't help the issue. I also put the anti Fauci movement as conspiracy.
I do still see people wearing masks occasionally. Especially clerks in stores where there are a lot of people. I have friends with pre-existing conditions who still avoid crowded places like restaurants and big public events. I'm a little cautious about that myself. I had Covid last spring, which wasn't all that long ago. I probably picked it up while visiting a person in a long term care facility where it was going around.
happystuff
2-20-24, 10:08am
My coworker went to ER just last week and ended up with a 2-3 day hospital stay due to COVID. It's still out there and it is still hitting people differently - some have no symptoms while others end up in the hospital.
My coworker went to ER just last week and ended up with a 2-3 day hospital stay due to COVID. It's still out there and it is still hitting people differently - some have no symptoms while others end up in the hospital.
Covid is still killing people at dramatically higher levels than the flu does. I realize that this is awkward for the anti-maskers but sometimes reality is awkward... My best friend had covid in the summer of 2020 when she lived in NYC during the first big wave there. Her only symptoms at the time were loss of taste and smell. A month after she thought she'd recovered she developed long covid. The headaches. The fatigue, etc. She has been dealing with it ever since. Three and a half years of not being able to walk more than a half block down the street before becoming exhausted.
Covid is still killing people at dramatically higher levels than the flu does. I realize that this is awkward for the anti-maskers but sometimes reality is awkward... My best friend had covid in the summer of 2020 when she lived in NYC during the first big wave there. Her only symptoms at the time were loss of taste and smell. A month after she thought she'd recovered she developed long covid. The headaches. The fatigue, etc. She has been dealing with it ever since. Three and a half years of not being able to walk more than a half block down the street before becoming exhausted.
But masks don't work. Did you watch the video I posted of a toddler "wearing" a mask? Masks work a little bit in a lab setting on a stationary dummy having particles shot at it. They don't work in the real world.
But masks don't work. Did you watch the video I posted of a toddler "wearing" a mask? Masks work a little bit in a lab setting on a stationary dummy having particles shot at it. They don't work in the real world.
According to the Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, WHO, the CDC, and Harvard Medical, masks are effective at reducing the spread of Covid. It's possible they missed your video.
According to the Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, WHO, the CDC, and Harvard Medical, masks are effective at reducing the spread of Covid. It's possible they missed your video.
According to the independent, nonbiased Cochrane report, masks don't work. That's why if you have something that dangerous/contagious like Ebola you put on a full hazmat suit.
According to the independent, nonbiased Cochrane report, masks don't work. That's why if you have something that dangerous/contagious like Ebola you put on a full hazmat suit.
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While the Cochrane review found that the evidence from randomized controlled trials is uncertain, this does not mean that masks do not work to slow the spread of COVID-19. Other types of evidence, such as observational studies and mechanistic evidence, also support the use of masks.
What the Cochrane Review Says About Masks For COVID-19 - and What It Doesn’t - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/scicheck-what-the-cochrane-review-says-about-masks-for-covid-19-and-what-it-doesnt/)
According to the independent, nonbiased Cochrane report, masks don't work. That's why if you have something that dangerous/contagious like Ebola you put on a full hazmat suit.
Actually, as a member of our regional infectious disease response team, which is tasked with monitoring and transporting Ebola patients, among other dreadful things, I can tell you we don't "put on a full hazmat suit".
And as a certified HAZMAT operator, I can also tell you the HAZMAT gear is considerably different than the more surgical-type gear that is typically worn for infectious disease control work.
Where did you receive your training, what certifications do you hold, and what field experience have you had?
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While the Cochrane review found that the evidence from randomized controlled trials is uncertain, this does not mean that masks do not work to slow the spread of COVID-19. Other types of evidence, such as observational studies and mechanistic evidence, also support the use of masks.
What the Cochrane Review Says About Masks For COVID-19 - and What It Doesn’t - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/scicheck-what-the-cochrane-review-says-about-masks-for-covid-19-and-what-it-doesnt/)
Grasping at straws. I know. It's hard to admit you were wrong. "Mechanistic evidence" is those stationary dummies that have particles shot at them through a machine.
I'm pretty much on board with everything fact check said with absolutely no qualms.
It's hard to admit you were wrong.
ditto
According to the Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, WHO, the CDC, and Harvard Medical, masks are effective at reducing the spread of Covid. It's possible they missed your video.
Maybe if the people working at those places had gone to youtube university they'd be smarter...
iris lilies
2-21-24, 11:30pm
Trump touted hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, as possible treatments. They are antimalarial drugs with absolutely no medical evidence they would work…
In the early days of the COVID-19 panic, these two drugs were actually used in hospitals. Did you know that?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7556338/
You don’t have to look far to find articles in PubMed about their use, actual use by medical doctors in clinical settings not fringe practitioners operating out of the back of their vans. They were legitimately tried as COVID-19 protocols.
Also, there were lots of funded research projects considering the two drugs Hydrooxychorichine and chloroquine .Look at Pubmed for them. Someone thought they were worth investigating and putting research dollars into.
But as you say, it's interesting that people only remember those things that support their political or cultural leanings, case in point.
Indeed.
Am I saying that many, any, some hospitals used H & C for treating COVID-19 after the early days? No.
Am I saying the article I linked shared success with these two drugs? No
Am I saying anyone SHOULD use these two drugs to treat COVID-19? No
What I see in your statement is a kind of smug satisfaction that you know the true science. I don’t think you did then and like the rest of us, Have hindsight knowledge now. Even Anthony Fauci has hindsight knowledge now even though at the time if we questioned Fauci, we were questioning the science. According to Fauci, anyway.
I’ve said it many times, and I’ll say it again: the high priests of science are not the science. Like the science, the priests should be looked upon with skepticism. The science itself doesn’t mind being questioned, but the priests do mind being questioned.
iris lilies
2-21-24, 11:51pm
About masking, I grow weary of mask rigidity.
I think some masks sometimes reduce some transmissions among some populations in some situations. There’s a lot of qualifiers there! I see people get hysterical about masking and that is just silly to me.
I prefer to stay away from big crowds. I haven’t been on a plane since Covid and I don’t care how well the airlines claim to process their air in their big metal tubes, I don’t really believe the air is all that pristine and besides there’s all kinds of bugs we can catch besides COVID-19. Think about we got sick from being on an airplane before we even heard of COVID-19.
In the early days of the COVID-19 panic, these two drugs were actually used in hospitals. Did you know that?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7556338/
You don’t have to look far to find articles in PubMed about their use, actual use by medical doctors in clinical settings not fringe practitioners operating out of the back of their vans. They were legitimately tried as COVID-19 protocols.
Also, there were lots of funded research projects considering the two drugs Hydrooxychorichine and chloroquine .Look at Pubmed for them. Someone thought they were worth investigating and putting research dollars into.
Indeed.
Am I saying that many, any, some hospitals used H & C for treating COVID-19 after the early days? No.
Am I saying the article I linked shared success with these two drugs? No
Am I saying anyone SHOULD use these two drugs to treat COVID-19? No
What I see in your statement is a kind of smug satisfaction that you know the true science. I don’t think you did then and like the rest of us, Have hindsight knowledge now. Even Anthony Fauci has hindsight knowledge now even though at the time if we questioned Fauci, we were questioning the science. According to Fauci, anyway.
I’ve said it many times, and I’ll say it again: the high priests of science are not the science. Like the science, the priests should be looked upon with skepticism. The science itself doesn’t mind being questioned, but the priests do mind being questioned.
Timing is everything. By the time trump was touting those drugs (and also recommending squirting bleach and shoving lightbulbs up one's ass) did anyone who actually studies drug effectiveness still think they might work?
About masking, I grow weary of mask rigidity.
I think some masks sometimes reduce some transmissions among some populations in some situations. There’s a lot of qualifiers there! I see people get hysterical about masking and that is just silly to me.
I prefer to stay away from big crowds. I haven’t been on a plane since Covid and I don’t care how well the airlines claim to process their air in their big metal tubes, I don’t really believe the air is all that pristine and besides there’s all kinds of bugs we can catch besides COVID-19. Think about we got sick from being on an airplane before we even heard of COVID-19.
I used to get colds several times a year. I've literally had only one in the past four years. Unlike you, though, I've been on planes multiple times since April of 2021 when I first got vaccinated. Only one cold. This is definitely anecdote, but I've worn a KN95 mask every time I've been on a plane or on transit these past three years. The coincidence that I've also not gotten sick during that time is hard for me to ignore.
iris lilies
2-22-24, 12:49am
I used to get colds several times a year. I've literally had only one in the past four years. Unlike you, though, I've been on planes multiple times since April of 2021 when I first got vaccinated. Only one cold. This is definitely anecdote, but I've worn a KN95 mask every time I've been on a plane or on transit these past three years. The coincidence that I've also not gotten sick during that time is hard for me to ignore.
oh wait it’s not true I haven’t been on a plane. I went to New Mexico in April 2 022 on an airplane. I remember traveling home the day Southwest airlines lifted their mask requirement. I probably wore one Anyway, I don’t remember.
I’m not bothered by wearing a mask and I wear N95s also because that’s what we have in our house due to construction.I don’t mind masks and I’ll wear one if the circumstances require it, and I might wear one if the circumstances suggest it, but I’m not rigid about it.
I did stop volunteering at Missouri botanical gardens back in, was it 2021? Or 2022? They required masks when working outside. Yeah I’m not gonna do that, bending over , sweating, weeding their gardens. nope not wearing a mask doing that. To be honest, I wasn’t a very good volunteer anyway. I like deadheading the Iris beds, but that’s it, I don’t want to be one of their regular weeding crew.
rosarugosa
2-22-24, 5:52am
Well I have a head cold, my second one since 2019 (I used to be good for 2 per year). I've been hanging at my mother's house during kitchen work at my house, but I've been really conscientious about wearing a mask and sanitizing my hands. It will be interesting to see if I am successful in not sharing my cold with her. I realize this isn't any kind of scientific study, but I will still be interested in seeing how it goes.
happystuff
2-22-24, 10:39am
Well I have a head cold, my second one since 2019 (I used to be good for 2 per year). I've been hanging at my mother's house during kitchen work at my house, but I've been really conscientious about wearing a mask and sanitizing my hands. It will be interesting to see if I am successful in not sharing my cold with her. I realize this isn't any kind of scientific study, but I will still be interested in seeing how it goes.
I need to change my personal habits as well, as I realize I am a "face toucher". The last couple of months (since my last bad case of bronchitis), I started realizing how often I touch my face! I'm making a conscious effort to wash my hands more often, mask in crowds and STOP TOUCHING MY FACE!!! :|(;)
I continue to see people on a daily basis walking around outdoors by themselves with masks on. There is just no hope for some people.
Meanwhile, my company is sending me to school to get certified for ServSafe and I have started studying the materials. There is nothing about wearing masks. Nothing! Even for those working with vulnerable populations such as in nursing home cafeterias.
The Cochrane study was clear there is NO evidence masks work, but some people latch on desperately to the statement that more studies could be done. There's zero evidence, masks aren't evidence based, but they'll keep studying it until they find some weird outlier so they don't have to admit they were wrong.
In the early days of the COVID-19 panic, these two drugs were actually used in hospitals. Did you know that?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7556338/
You don’t have to look far to find articles in PubMed about their use, actual use by medical doctors in clinical settings not fringe practitioners operating out of the back of their vans. They were legitimately tried as COVID-19 protocols.
Also, there were lots of funded research projects considering the two drugs Hydrooxychorichine and chloroquine .Look at Pubmed for them. Someone thought they were worth investigating and putting research dollars into.
I can always use a little education on the matter. If I recall, the subject was political conspiracy theory influencing distrust in the scientific community? And people's tendency to only remember what reinforces their tribal beliefs.
"President Donald Trump (https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/donald-trump)'s continued embrace of hydroxychloroquine (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hydroxychloroquine-returns-wedge-president-trump-health-advisers/story?id=72036996), an anti-malaria drug with unproven efficacy against the novel (https://abcnews.go.com/health/coronavirus)coronavirus (https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/coronavirus), directly contradicts guidance from the nation's top public health (https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/obamacare) agencies and officials.
Approved decades ago to prevent and treat malaria, the prescription medicine hydroxychloroquine and a similar drug chloroquine are used to treat autoimmune diseases like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
But the drugs have not shown to benefit coronavirus patients or proved effective as a prophylactic, according to the Food and Drug Administration, National Institutes of Health and scientific community at-large -- despite the president's persistent push."
Timeline: Tracking Trump alongside scientific developments on hydroxychloroquine - ABC News (go.com) (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/timeline-tracking-trump-alongside-scientific-developments-hydroxychloroquine/story?id=72170553)
ApatheticNoMore
2-22-24, 6:16pm
The problem is people (and yea the Trump admin) kept pretending the drugs were effective long after ever accumulating evidence indicated they weren't. I suppose you could say there was a time it was rational to believe the world was flat, but it really doesn't give one any excuse for saying it in 2024. That's kind of how it was.
ToomuchStuff
2-22-24, 7:15pm
I continue to see people on a daily basis walking around outdoors by themselves with masks on. There is just no hope for some people.
Meanwhile, my company is sending me to school to get certified for ServSafe and I have started studying the materials. There is nothing about wearing masks. Nothing! Even for those working with vulnerable populations such as in nursing home cafeterias.
The Cochrane study was clear there is NO evidence masks work, but some people latch on desperately to the statement that more studies could be done. There's zero evidence, masks aren't evidence based, but they'll keep studying it until they find some weird outlier so they don't have to admit they were wrong.
As somebody on Chemotherapy, wearing a mask and washing my hands often, etc. can also help against the spread of the common cold or other things (not a covid only thing), that could screw with my treatment (throw off blood counts). Why they choose to or not wear masks really isn't any concern of yours, mine or anyone elses.
Although I am surprised you were able to post after asking for your account to be deleted yesterday?:confused:
I did stop volunteering at Missouri botanical gardens back in, was it 2021? Or 2022? They required masks when working outside. Yeah I’m not gonna do that, bending over , sweating, weeding their gardens. nope not wearing a mask doing that. To be honest, I wasn’t a very good volunteer anyway. I like deadheading the Iris beds, but that’s it, I don’t want to be one of their regular weeding crew.
I agree that masks outside are apparently unnecessary, thankfully. Inside I don't care if I'm wearing one. But if I'm outside doing sweaty things I'd rather not.
My regular volunteer activity is once a week at Marin Humane doing the morning routine in the Adoption Cat section. (tidying up their living spaces, dumping the litter boxes, taking away the previous night's wet food and filling dry food/water dishes). No mask requirement and I don't wear one since they aren't open to the public yet at that hour and I'm working by myself. (the last being key to why I enjoy the job. I volunteered because I want to be around the cats. Not other people...)
rosarugosa
2-23-24, 5:53am
The other day, I had a haircut appointment and wore a mask to protect hairdresser and others in the shop from my head cold. (I had asked if she would rather I reschedule, but she was OK with me just masking). Afterwards, I went into the bank a block away, and I can't remember, but I might have kept my mask on while I walked the block. It wasn't too hot and sweaty because February in New England. Anyway, I suppose anyone seeing me walking that block may have shaken their head over the crazy woman wearing a mask outdoors, but I'm not too concerned about that.
rosarugosa
2-23-24, 9:00am
As somebody on Chemotherapy, wearing a mask and washing my hands often, etc. can also help against the spread of the common cold or other things (not a covid only thing), that could screw with my treatment (throw off blood counts). Why they choose to or not wear masks really isn't any concern of yours, mine or anyone elses.
Although I am surprised you were able to post after asking for your account to be deleted yesterday?:confused:
How are you doing, TMS? I think of you often and hope your treatment is going as smoothly as possible.
happystuff
2-23-24, 10:08am
Yes, TMS. Ditto what rr said. Hope you are doing well.
iris lilies
2-23-24, 11:41am
The other day, I had a haircut appointment and wore a mask to protect hairdresser and others in the shop from my head cold. (I had asked if she would rather I reschedule, but she was OK with me just masking). Afterwards, I went into the bank a block away, and I can't remember, but I might have kept my mask on while I walked the block. It wasn't too hot and sweaty because February in New England. Anyway, I suppose anyone seeing me walking that block may have shaken their head over the crazy woman wearing a mask outdoors, but I'm not too concerned about that.
Back in the days when we were masking all the time, I often had a mask on when I was alone in my car because I was driving from store to store, and just didn’t bother to take it off. There was no reason to take it off. One of my friends made a comment about the idiots who are driving alone in their cars with mask on, and I told her I was one of those idiots and why.
Back in the days when we were masking all the time, I often had a mask on when I was alone in my car because I was driving from store to store, and just didn’t bother to take it off. There was no reason to take it off. One of my friends made a comment about the idiots who are driving alone in their cars with mask on, and I told her I was one of those idiots and why.
The reason I despise masks are my hot flashes. Within 5 minutes I’d be in a raging hot flash, which makes me extremely b*tchy. Mask in my car or outside? Hell, no!
I did the same thing in the car. If I was going to multiple stores I put it on before the first and eft it until I was getting in to go home.
ToomuchStuff
2-23-24, 7:31pm
As to how I am doing, pretty well. Minimal side effects, effectively and one that was worse last treatment possibly due to my own stupidity (don't use ice when on Chemo, it feels like needles). The big thing is the lack of stamina/tired quicker.
I'd say I am back to work, but after my surgery, week three or four of recovery, I had to go in and fix a toilet, faucet, and replace a light switch, because no one seems mechanically capable and the idiot that I now share ownership with (brother of my late boss), can't figure out how to call someone who isn't down.
This week I had to get up on a ladder because he tried to cool the entire place with one a/c, causing it to freeze up (thought the drip tray was clogged, no frozen line dripping through ceiling).
So I am working partial days, including the weeks I have Chemo.
iris lilies
2-23-24, 7:34pm
As to how I am doing, pretty well. Minimal side effects, effectively and one that was worse last treatment possibly due to my own stupidity (don't use ice when on Chemo, it feels like needles). The big thing is the lack of stamina/tired quicker.
I'd say I am back to work, but after my surgery, week three or four of recovery, I had to go in and fix a toilet, faucet, and replace a light switch, because no one seems mechanically capable and the idiot that I now share ownership with (brother of my late boss), can't figure out how to call someone who isn't down.
This week I had to get up on a ladder because he tried to cool the entire place with one a/c, causing it to freeze up (thought the drip tray was clogged, no frozen line dripping through ceiling).
So I am working partial days, including the weeks I have Chemo.
This is a pretty good report on your health but I wish you didn’t have to carry the load at your workplace!
As to how I am doing, pretty well. Minimal side effects, effectively and one that was worse last treatment possibly due to my own stupidity (don't use ice when on Chemo, it feels like needles). The big thing is the lack of stamina/tired quicker.
I'd say I am back to work, but after my surgery, week three or four of recovery, I had to go in and fix a toilet, faucet, and replace a light switch, because no one seems mechanically capable and the idiot that I now share ownership with (brother of my late boss), can't figure out how to call someone who isn't down.
This week I had to get up on a ladder because he tried to cool the entire place with one a/c, causing it to freeze up (thought the drip tray was clogged, no frozen line dripping through ceiling).
So I am working partial days, including the weeks I have Chemo.
Thanks for the update. Idiot guy. Sheesh
rosarugosa
2-24-24, 5:42am
Wow, glad you are doing so well but wish your co-owner could more effectively give you a break while you are recovering.
happystuff
2-24-24, 9:38am
As others have said, glad you are doing okay and not-very-bright co-worker!! I worry you were on the ladder!!! Be careful!
iris lilies
2-26-24, 11:22pm
I can always use a little education on the matter. If I recall, the subject was political conspiracy theory influencing distrust in the scientific community? And people's tendency to only remember what reinforces their tribal beliefs.
"President Donald Trump (https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/donald-trump)'s continued embrace of hydroxychloroquine (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hydroxychloroquine-returns-wedge-president-trump-health-advisers/story?id=72036996), an anti-malaria drug with unproven efficacy against the novel (https://abcnews.go.com/health/coronavirus)coronavirus (https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/coronavirus), directly contradicts guidance from the nation's top public health (https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/obamacare) agencies and officials.
Approved decades ago to prevent and treat malaria, the prescription medicine hydroxychloroquine and a similar drug chloroquine are used to treat autoimmune diseases like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
But the drugs have not shown to benefit coronavirus patients or proved effective as a prophylactic, according to the Food and Drug Administration, National Institutes of Health and scientific community at-large -- despite the president's persistent push."
Timeline: Tracking Trump alongside scientific developments on hydroxychloroquine - ABC News (go.com) (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/timeline-tracking-trump-alongside-scientific-developments-hydroxychloroquine/story?id=72170553)
I meant to circle back earlier about this ABC News summary of how these two drugs were treated in the early days of Covid. I didn’t realize they had been put into the “national stockpile “whatever that is. They did have a lot of attention but yes, after a few months, it seems there seem to be no scientific evidence of their effectiveness after use I. Hospital settings. . The president should’ve shut up about them.
Four years ago today WHO declared the plague a pandemic. Dang. Time flies.
iris lilies
3-11-24, 8:16pm
Four years ago today WHO declared the plague a pandemic. Dang. Time flies.
My life was very easy during Covid. But I knew many people who died because I run in crowds of old people in these garden clubs and plant societies. One of the plants groups is still picking up pieces from Covid lockdowns, illnesses, and deaths.
I will say that the deaths of important persons in the iris Society were not due to Covid, it was old age related.
the after effects of lockdowns, scare mongering, etc. will be felt for a long time. I can’t even imagine how the schools have recovered or are in recovery.
I got laid off on 3/25/20 and was out of work for four months, then work at home job for 8 months. I was home for the worst of it. So one good thing about the horrid work from home job.
I make $30K more than I did when I got laid off four years ago. I’ve lived by myself since 1996 so I didn’t have the mental health issues some did. I was able to pay my bills with that extra $600 week unemployment.
In an odd way, I miss lockdown and the stay home stuff through 2022.
rosarugosa
3-12-24, 6:28am
I know this isn't exactly a rigorous, double-blind study, but I spent a lot of time at my Mom's during the worst of the kitchen project and at the peak of my head cold. I was extremely conscientious about masking and hand sanitation, and she did not catch my cold.
ToomuchStuff
3-12-24, 7:02am
The death of people I knew from covid, were a mix of things. We had our oven repair man and his wife both pass, leaving a 10 year old behind, but both had weight issues. Our pest controls husband passed, and she had to argue with the doctors, so both daughters got to say goodbye before he did, while she didn't get to. (doctor only wanted one final visitor), couple near misses, with no health issues like a bank president friend. Now with it being back around with RSV, and my immunity going down like it supposed to due to the chemo, they want me to wear a mask on the weeks that I am on the pump and back working. Lessen the chance of catching anything from the common cold, etc. that could affect my health and treatments.
Had to pull out my mask from my late friend and coworker, as well as my silence of the lambs mask.
early morning
3-12-24, 11:42am
Thinking of you, ToomuchStuff, and hoping you're feeling ok! Glad your mom missed your cold, rr! I have a friend who continues to mask outside during peak allergy season, she said she had no idea it could make such a difference in her suffering level. We don't currently mask but have plenty of them on hand if anyone gets sick. We knew people who died of covid, and some for whom it hastened their end. DD had (has?) long-covid and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Child2 had it but no lasting repercussions. Like Tradd, I lost my job just before covid and it was nice to not have to go out to work during all that! There were three of us holed up here, and we had no problems, we're all introverts. It doesn't seem like it's been 4 years! I do feel for the kids who lost a lot of ground, but that's not entirely on Covid. Before, I was teaching and at least 95% of my students were reading below grade level, and more than half of those were reading at least 4 grades below. Admittedly, these were kids caught up in the juvenile justice system, but still!
happystuff
3-12-24, 2:04pm
I'm another that lost a long-time job when COVID hit. Like Tradd, that extra $600 a month unemployment made a huge difference and really, really helped. Know several people who died from COVID. I'm one of those that doesn't differentiate "died, but had health issues". I'm of the mind that - if they hadn't caught COVID, would they still be alive - even with health issues? If they would, then it is my opinion that it was a death due to COVID.
Oh, well. It is what it is.
I don’t know anyone personally who died from Covid. One person has severe long covid. Had to give up diving. Another long covid victim was a friend’s sister. She went from an active lifestyle including triathlons to not being able to do her job (teaching) and had to move back with her parents.
gimmethesimplelife
3-12-24, 7:45pm
I lost a tenant - a 39 year old Mexican male with years ahead of him - due to Covid. I also know of one deli clerk at the Food City I go to who passed - she had fatty liver, who knows if this made her vulnerable? The grocery store I work at lost two older employees also. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
3-12-24, 7:55pm
The news media loves scare tactics stories. They love scaring you. Notice how you are taking up their bait “ being spooked something fierce.” Your SO and his family, also ” spooked.”
None of us can predict the future so we can only speak in generalities which are: some people will die from this infection, Probably not many, probably not people we know, we all need to work to maintain our immune system, this too shall pass.I'vr remembered your post here these past four years. What a trip things became not longer after you posted these words! I'm just glad this time has passed and hope that in my lifetime there is not another pandemic. Rob
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